06-07-2010
( Reply#: 5664 ) |
Tom J |
Welcome, Mr. Ron H. Tell us a little about yourself. Glad you have joined us.
The answer to your riddle is "Butternut."
Tom |
06-07-2010
( Reply#: 5665 ) |
duane |
Who was the TV singing Ford man?
And I honestly don't know the answer, but I can still see and hear him singing (terribly) in those commercials. |
06-08-2010
( Reply#: 5668 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Can you still buy Butternut bread? How about Silvercup bread? Anyone remember Case-Moody little pies for ten cents? My favorites were the Lemon and Chocolate. |
06-08-2010
( Reply#: 5669 ) |
Thawk9632 |
quote:
Originally posted by Ron H
Does anyone remember the slogan
TUT TUT NOTHIN BUT ___________ BREAD?[:)][:)]
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06-08-2010
( Reply#: 5670 ) |
Thawk9632 |
quote:
Originally posted by Ron H
Does anyone remember the slogan
TUT TUT NOTHIN BUT ___________ BREAD?[:)][:)]
Do you have Sir Raliegh in the can? |
06-08-2010
( Reply#: 5673 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Did anyone ever go to Camp Betz while in the Boy Scouts? |
06-08-2010
( Reply#: 5674 ) |
Roger D |
The singing Ford man. Was that Jim Moran "The Courtesy Man"?
My friend and classmate, Jack Campbell, went to Camp Betz. |
06-08-2010
( Reply#: 5675 ) |
Roger D |
Sir Raliegh in a can!! Let him out before he suffocates!!!! |
06-08-2010
( Reply#: 5676 ) |
duane |
I visited Camp Betz, but being from EC (Twin Cities Scout Council) we had our very own camp - William Wright Scout Reservation, outside of Michigan City, IN. Also our Order of the Arrow Lodge (Zhingwak) had a flap patch that is now worth hundreds of dollars....no kidding. I had 3 and sold the first two over 20 years ago for a couple hundred a piece. Don't know what the current value is. Sorry - something happened to the link....it was the correct photo when I posted, but now a couple of days later it shows the correct name but that is NOT the Zhingwak 352 patch! |
06-09-2010
( Reply#: 5678 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Where does one find out what boy scout patches are worth? I could be sitting on a gold mine. |
06-12-2010
( Reply#: 5705 ) |
duane |
Jim - just do some checking around on the internet.
I just did and found that the 2008 price for the Zhingwak flap patch is now over $3,000. Most patches are not worth anything near this amount...Zhingwak was special because it was from Twin Cities Council (E.C.) which was small, and got absorbed by Calumet Council in the late 1960's or early 1970's. So there weren't many Scouts to start with...then only a select few got to be OA members of the Zhingwak lodge, and then you only got 1 patch when you made Ordeal membership and a second when/if you made brotherhood membership and that was it. No more ever. I had 3 patches because my dad got inducted as an ordeal member and gave me his patch.
Jay - do you still have your two Zhingwak flap patches?
How about the "Zhingwak survival weekend" round patch - that one is valuable also.
And then there is the Zhingwak Area 7 DK Conclave patch and kerchief.
I don't know if the William Wright Patch WITH the eagle is valuable or not. The later patches only had the Fleur de Lis without the eagle. |
06-14-2010
( Reply#: 5714 ) |
Jay |
duane, unfortunately I sold both of my Zhingwak patches to a collector from Hammond over 15 years ago for $100 each. Here is a photo of that patch http://www.worthpoint.com/pmimages/images1/1/1207/02/1_12d6bbaffbf2daf1d1c88b8c333b00a9.jpg
You made me sick posting that they are now worth around $3000 each.
For another $200, I also sold him four medals (Parvuli Dei, Ad Altare Dei, Sauk Trail hiking and She-Ka-Kong hiking medals), William Wright Camp round patches (with and without eagle), Camporee patches, and other hiking patches, along with one explorer shirt with all the patches sewn on it.
Among this bunch was the Order of the Arrow metal arrow insignia hanging from a red and white ribbon that attached to the button of the pocket flap, and my Ordeal member sash. But I don't remember any of the other Zhingwak patches you mentioned.
There are only two things I kept; my Eagle Scout medal with bronze palm, and my merit badge sash with 26 merit badges sewn on. I remember this collector looking at both of these items and informed me that because the back of my Eagle medal was flat, it was a rare item. Supposedly, the backs of the more common Eagle medals are more three dimensional. |
06-15-2010
( Reply#: 5735 ) |
dilligaf717 |
If you really want to know the value of old Scout patches, go to ebay and look under fraternal organizations/boy scouts. You can find almost anything there.
I was a scout in the mid 60's in Hammond. Our troop went to Camp Betz every summer. I have allot of fond memories of the camp. Who remembers "Spaghetti Night?" The table waiters dressed in vests and had a mustache penciled on their lip. Tables had checkered cloths and there were Chianti bottles with candles on each table. I don't remember the food though.
I was a Scoutmaster where I live in South Texas for almost ten years. Camping in Texas is alot different than up north. We camp year-round,but,the heat is a killer. One time, my wife and I were on our way home from Colorado and stopped at the Philmont Scout Ranch in New Mexico. I still collect Scout memorabilia and went into the trading post to buy some items. I found myself behind a gentleman with a Calumet Council patch on his shirt. We started talking and her it was the person that tapped me out into the Order of the Arrow in the mid 60's. Small World.
Still runnin against the wind. |
06-15-2010
( Reply#: 5736 ) |
dilligaf717 |
I looked on eBay and the only Zingwak item they had now was the 7DK neckerchief. The current price on it was $4.99. I have seen the flaps go for 700.00-900.00, I think the $3,000.00 must have been something really rare.
Were there racial issues involved in the break-up of the lodge? I remember hearing something about that in reference to one of the lodges that was absorbed into Pokagon lodge in the 70's, but, not sure.
Jim
Still runnin against the wind. |
06-16-2010
( Reply#: 5739 ) |
duane |
No. Zhingwak Lodge went out of existence because the Twin Cities (East Chicago) Counci was forced to merge with the Calumet Council. This was done totally against the will of the East Chicago Council. It was actually fought in court, I believe, but of course the small council lost out. This resulted in the Council's Camp (William Wright Scout Reservation) going to Calumet Council, and then being sold to a private person shortly thereafter. This was also fought, because William Wright donated the land "to the boys of East Chicago" and it was argued that if the Calumet Council no longer wanted the camp or the land, then it should either return to the city of East Chicago or to the William Wright estate. Again, to no avail. The camp was sold and lost to any scouts forever.
Race never had ANYTHING to do with the dissolution of the Zhingwak Lodge or of the Twin Cities Council. East Chicago had many troops and those troops reflected the neighborhoods of East Chicago. Some were white, some were black, and some were integrated - just like the neighborhoods of those days.
The loss of the Lodge, the Council and the camp was the result of Boy Scout politics and the greed for money. |
06-16-2010
( Reply#: 5740 ) |
duane |
Jay - I just came across a picture from 1969 of you (in Explorer uniform) and me (in Boy Scout uniform) unveiling the WW2 Veterans Memorial on 150th and Wegg (I think that's the location). It was in a corner lot across from Lindy's grocery.
If your email is listed, I'll send a scan to you in a private message. If your email isn't turned on (for this forum) then PM me and I'll respond. -D |
06-16-2010
( Reply#: 5741 ) |
duane |
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06-16-2010
( Reply#: 5742 ) |
Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by duane
Jay - I just came across a picture from 1969 of you (in Explorer uniform) and me (in Boy Scout uniform) unveiling the WW2 Veterans Memorial on 150th and Wegg (I think that's the location). It was in a corner lot across from Lindy's grocery.
If your email is listed, I'll send a scan to you in a private message. If your email isn't turned on (for this forum) then PM me and I'll respond. -D
Wow duane, that would be great to see and have. Yes I have the email icon active. It should be second from the left of the five icons displayed at the top of each of my postings.
I remember that tribute to East Chicago veterans board. It listed the names of all East Chicago World War 2 and Korean veterans who survived their length of service, and the names of all who died serving. It was sponsored by the South Side Boosters club (my dad was a member), and was mounted in the front yard of the president of that club where all passersby could view.
Later on, they also added the names of East Chicago Vietnam veterans, including my name.
Some time after the club president passed away, the board disappeared. I don't know if it is in storage somewhere or did it get discarded. It was handmade from wood and plastic, so it might have succumbed to wood rot.
I also remember some vague details about the loss of Twin City Council and the William Wright camp grounds. I have viewed the campgrounds using Google Maps. First find Michigan City Indiana. Then follow US421 southward past the Indiana Toll Road until you see the Purdue University North Central campus. Then eastward a very short distance until you see Lake Lee. That was the lake for the old Camp Wright. Switch Google Maps by clicking on Satellite view, and you can make out the mess hall (west of the lake) and the camp grounds (east of the lake).
I wonder what the place is being used for today. Once on the way home from Canada last year, I swung by it. There were no signs indicating it is still an active camp ground. Also, I was amazed at how much Purdue University North Central campus has expanded right next door to it. When we attended camp there, Purdue only had one building. |
