09-28-2005
( Reply#: 103 ) |
UncleCarl |
I'm not from Hammond, but I might as well be considering how often I'm there-- southeast Chicago about a half-mile from the Indiana line. |
10-07-2005
( Reply#: 113 ) |
m10bob |
I'm happy just to be able to cruise Cleveland street now and then.
I live in Indy and travel all over the midwest.
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
10-08-2005
( Reply#: 116 ) |
a bumpus and a Shep fan |
Hi! :) I have a semi-interesting factoid:
My grandpa is the Delbert of The Grand Passion Play, Wanda Hickey..., and In God We Trust... He grew up on Cleveland Street, attended Harding, and his family raised hounds, though not as many as the 785 smelly ones in the movie. :) A Christmas Story is a family favorite, and I adore Jean's books!
Just thought I'd share. Thanks for reading. :) |
10-11-2005
( Reply#: 120 ) |
m10bob |
That's GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did your family ever take any photos of those years which might be shared with Jim Clavin for the website??
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
10-22-2005
( Reply#: 143 ) |
Bill Bucko |
YES, I grew up in Hammond, about 5 or 6 blocks north and west of Shep's house! I passed his house on the way to Harding School, every day ... starting KG in 1954, until I finished 8th grade at the beginning of 1963.
For more info, please look up my 3 Guestbook posts. I describe the old wooden "portable" Harding that is the one Shep must have attended. And the ORIGINAL Flick's, which the good Mr Clavin, Shep lover though he is, misidentifies. The photo he posted is actually a photo of Dick's Grocery, across the street from Flick's.
Anyone out there from the Harding class of '63?
Or Morton H.S. class of '66?
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10-22-2005
( Reply#: 148 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Hurray! I see Mr Clavin has corrected his info on Flick's original location! Thanks! |
10-22-2005
( Reply#: 155 ) |
m10bob |
Bill..Since you are a local, perhaps you can tell us where "George's Pinbowlerama" was located ??(It was the bowling alley very nearby where Schwartz and Shep were pinboys.)
The giant ice cream cone was also nearby..
Shep named several of the local businesses in his episode called "Pinboy"..
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
10-23-2005
( Reply#: 156 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by m10bob
Bill..Since you are a local, perhaps you can tell us where "George's Pinbowlerama" was located ??(It was the bowling alley very nearby where Schwartz and Shep were pinboys.)The giant ice cream cone was also nearby..
Shep named several of the local businesses in his episode called "Pinboy"..
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk
Sorry, afraid I can't. There was (and still is) a large bowling alley, Kenwood Lanes, at the intersection of Kennedy Avenue and Kenwood Street. This is just 2 blocks north of Cleveland Street, and 1 block to the west of Shep's house. However, it dates from the early 1950s, or perhaps the late 40s. I suppose it's possible an older bowling alley stood on the site, originally.
No large ice cream cone nearby.
In fact, the geography as presented in the stories can be misleading. You'd seldom suspect how far apart are the west side of town (downtown/Goldblatt's on Hohman Avenue/Hammond High School) and the east side of town (Hessville). There was no High School on the east side of town back then (I think the original Morton H.S. was built around 1938), and Hammond High is at least 4 miles from Shep's house. Between the two sides of town are junkyards, industrial areas, even some prairie; and in the 50s and 60s at least you never saw people walking from one side of town to the other. I recall that before going out with Josephine Cowznofski, the narrator did hitch a ride to Hammond High, as well he might!
The site of the ice cream war ("A Fistful of Fig Newtons"), and the park where the narrator and his pals drank "water" from a pipe, only to discover that it was river water, are near Hammond High --again, 4 miles from Shep's house.
It IS true that the Calumet River has caught fire, on occasion!
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
10-23-2005
( Reply#: 157 ) |
m10bob |
Bill, your knowledge of the area is great, and is apparently matched by your knowledge of Shep story details as well.
I believe you could guesstimate the locations of certain of the local businesses..
I am trying to acquire a city directory from those days which will shed complete light on these things, but they must be rare. The local library has copies, but one must actually go there to look thru them. I live in Indy and only get there (maybe) once a month.
BTW, his story "The pinboy" mentions maybe 5 or 6 of the local businesses, (including a candy shop), and the Bumpus story mentions the local grocery as being "half a block away".(I take this to mean the same building as the original Flick's Tap is in, which as you know takes up that block and is "l" shaped, and around the corner from his house.
The last time I cruised Kennedy, I must have counted at least 8 bars calling themselves "Tap"this or that, just from the light to the hill at the tracks on the northside,(nearer to your home apparently)..It must have been a popular term in Hammond..[:)]
*****I just read your notes on the neighborhood in the guest book, and am going to locate these spots on my next visit..(Particularly interested in where you have Flicks' Tap)..Looks like I was right about the old grocery. Thank you....
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
10-23-2005
( Reply#: 158 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Hello, I'm puzzled by your reference to "the same building as the original Flick's Tap was in." Perhaps you mean the building Mr Clavin misidentified, earlier (but has recently corrected) … it was actually the building Dick's Grocery was in. See my Guestbook comments. Flick's tap was across the street from it, fairly small, and housed no other business.
There was no grocery store half a block from Shep's house. The whole area was almost entirely residential. The only stores were on Kennedy Avenue, and (in far fewer number) on 165th Street (probably just one or two mom-and-pop stores on the latter). Dick's Grocery was one long block away.
I think Shep probably made up most of his names.
Since you're interested, I'll gladly e-mail you (and anyone else who asks) my diagram of just what was on Kennedy Avenue, in the 1950s and 60s. (Though I made the diagram for reasons unrelated to Shep. I'll highlight buildings that clearly date from after Shep's time, in blue.)
I'll also send you a map.
There have been changes. I gather from the online Yellow Pages that they built a Post Office on the huge vacant tract on the southwest corner of Kennedy and 165th Street. And the overpass on Kennedy Avenue just north of Mabel's Dinner/the current Flick's Tavern most certainly was NOT there, in my time (much less Shep's)! It would have been regarded as a SISSY idea. You waited for the trains to go by, like everyone else.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
10-23-2005
( Reply#: 159 ) |
m10bob |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Hello, I'm puzzled by your reference to "the same building as the original Flick's Tap was in." Perhaps you mean the building Mr Clavin misidentified, earlier (but has recently corrected) … it was actually the building Dick's Grocery was in. See my Guestbook comments. Flick's tap was across the street from it, fairly small, and housed no other business.
There was no grocery store half a block from Shep's house. The whole area was almost entirely residential. The only stores were on Kennedy Avenue, and (in far fewer number) on 165th Street (probably just one or two mom-and-pop stores on the latter). Dick's Grocery was one long block away.
I think Shep probably made up most of his names.
Since you're interested, I'll gladly e-mail you (and anyone else who asks) my diagram of just what was on Kennedy Avenue, in the 1950s and 60s. (Though I made the diagram for reasons unrelated to Shep. I'll highlight buildings that clearly date from after Shep's time, in blue.)
I'll also send you a map.
There have been changes. I gather from the online Yellow Pages that they built a Post Office on the huge vacant tract on the southwest corner of Kennedy and 165th Street. And the overpass on Kennedy Avenue just north of Mabel's Dinner/the current Flick's Tavern most certainly was NOT there, in my time (much less Shep's)! It would have been regarded as a SISSY idea. You waited for the trains to go by, like everyone else.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
Yeah Bill, when I surmised I had the correct building for the grocery, (also known as "Oschenslaggers" in the 1930's), I was of course referring to that brick tudor on the northeast corner which extends over to the angled street running right to "5 points"..
I would love copies of your maps,etc..
BTW, what you refer to as "long blocks" are normal sized city blocks in Indy..
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
10-23-2005
( Reply#: 160 ) |
Bill Bucko |
And if the train STOPPED, for 20 minutes, while they did some switching ... that was just a normal part of life in Hammond. As normal as fighting furnaces.
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
11-14-2005
( Reply#: 196 ) |
Amy Stocky |
Trains in Hammond?? Imagine that!
For over 2 years we lived on Hohman betweeen the South Shore tracks and 2 sets of frieght tracks on the other side.
It was all trains all the time! |
11-16-2005
( Reply#: 198 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by Amy Stocky
Trains in Hammond?? Imagine that!
For over 2 years we lived on Hohman betweeen the South Shore tracks and 2 sets of frieght tracks on the other side.
It was all trains all the time!
Yes, because all the lines from the east have to funnel through Hammond on their way to Chicago.
At www.hammondindiana.com they joke that anyone who robbed a bank couldn't get away, because he'd be stopped by a train.
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
12-30-2005
( Reply#: 249 ) |
momcat2000 |
i'm from hammond, dohhs 75. moved to indy 25 years ago. do you know there is actually a club down here in indy called 'lords of the region' and what's really balsy is that they take members who grew up in merrriville, highland, hobart, munster, etc. merrillville, highland, munster, hobart and such ARE NOT THE REGION! they are just region wannabes! when i was a teenager, people from these towns were afaid to go north of the lil'cal after dark. anything south of US 30 was central indiana and anything south of lake co. was southern in. i thought the state capatol was chicago and mayor daily was govenor.when i went to purdue, everyone thought i carried a weapon when they found out i was from da region (i did but that was beside the point)
if you are not from gary, hammond, echicago, or whitting YOU ARE NOT FROM THE REGION. a highland mother would faint if her son brought home a region girl, and you were given a good talkin' to by your father. |
01-07-2006
( Reply#: 257 ) |
Bill Bucko |
For those not in the know, "region" refers to the Calumet Region.
Though I grew up in Hammond, I didn't hear about us from "the Region" being (allegedly) tough guys until I went away to college, downstate. As far as I could tell, we got that reputation because of Gary. I heard of a gang in East Chicago, around 1960, but there were none that I knew of in Hammond. Certainly not in Hessville. No rumbles, turf wars, or switchblades.
Maybe we were tough, though, compared to those barefoot farm boys and girls downstate! [:)]
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-08-2006
( Reply#: 258 ) |
m10bob |
Last night, I listened to the program labelled "Farkus", and Shep verified Bill Bucko's belief that the Warren G Harding school shep attended WAS the wooden temporary building.[:)]
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-08-2006
( Reply#: 259 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Oh, yes, it could only have been the portable.
The first wing of the brick Harding wasn't built until about 1950. During the 1950s and 60s, kg through 6th grade went to the brick building, while 7th grade, 8th grade, and the gym were in the portable.
The portable was U shaped. The oldest wing was the bottom of the U. The side wings looked a few years newer, as was the gym stuck on at the end of one wing.
I'll be contacting some old classmates soon, and I'll ask if anyone has a photo of the portable. At least one still has a copy of our yearbook, so chances are good I'll be able to share a photo with all of you.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-08-2006
( Reply#: 260 ) |
m10bob |
Here is something else I completely spaced.
On the north side of that brick business bldg on Kennedy,(north end of the Tap and the grocery from the 20's and 30's), is another row of businesses which face onto the angled street,east 164th place, (running toward the 5 points near Sheps' home).
The center of these businesses includes the barber shop Shep went to as a kid, and next to it is a staircase going to the basement, where Shep sez the x-rated films were shown.
I forgot the episode in which he gives this info, but it was the one about the stag films..
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-10-2006
( Reply#: 261 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by m10bob
... On the north side of that brick business bldg on Kennedy,(north end of the Tap and the grocery from the 20's and 30's), is another row of businesses which face onto the angled street,east 164th place, (running toward the 5 points near Sheps' home).
The center of these businesses includes the barber shop Shep went to as a kid, and next to it is a staircase going to the basement, where Shep sez the x-rated films were shown....
HUH??
Something's off.
Remember, Shep mixed fact with fiction, real geography with invented geography, quite liberally.
OK, here's what that area looked like during the 1950s through 1966 (when I went off to college):
WEST SIDE OF KENNEDY AVE. ............ EAST SIDE OF KENNEDY AVE.
used car lot ................... IBEW parking lot
======================Cleveland Street==================
barber shop ...................... tavern
small trailer court ............... 6415 Pint Size Hobbies
(electronics?) shop ............ vacant lot
======================164th Street [angles north toward Shep's]==
vacant .............................. laundry
6442 Toomey's Tap ............. vacant lot, Dick's parking lot
used car lot ....................... 6445 Dick's Grocery & Fick's
======================165th Street========================
large vacant tract .............. parking lot
OLD buildings:
the barber shop;
the tavern across from it (this was frequently remodeled. Can't recall what it was called);
The building that housed Dick's Grocery and Flick's Tap (as well as a narrow vacant shopfront on the north side);
the laundry (narrow, old, dark brick or stone, 3 stories high)
NEW buildings:
Pint Size Hobbies (dates from the 50's)
164th PLACE (the street that slants from the laundry, toward Five Points and Shep's House) was RESIDENTIAL; vacant lot, then houses on the north side; laundry, then houses on the south side. There was NO "another row of businesses."
Perhaps he meant the barber shop on the southwest corner of Kennedy and Cleveland. It was an old building of very dark stone or brick, two or three stories high. And the only barber shop in the area. There was a striped barber pole on the corner. I have a vague memory that it may have had a basement door with steps going down. An air of seediness hung over it, and it may well have been the scene of ribald merriment in Shep's time.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-10-2006
( Reply#: 262 ) |
m10bob |
It is taking time, but I have been going to the Hammond assessors office (online) and getting the build dates of everything in the neighborhood.
Most everything aest of his block is new (since the 40's), as he describes the area east of the school as being wooded "swamp", and he has stated he left his initials in the driveway of a home on the north side of the school, (the old wooden one which is now the vacant lot nw of the current site.)I have not gotten out of my car to find that driveway yet, but if I do, a picture will follow.[:D]
Literally half of the homes west of his home, (and those west of Kennedy) were not even there in Sheps' day, most built in the late 40's and early 50's, (with some as late as the sixties.)
The assessors office has also kept seperate dates for unattached garages.
The home of Lawrence Stryker, across from Sheps' home is still standing.
This bears significance as it was the home Shep sez he first became mesmorized by radio and "decided on the spot radio was my calling".
Now...............If only we can locate that billboard Shep and Esther Jane Allberry used to hide behind,(when not under the porch.)[:I]
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-15-2006
( Reply#: 266 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello everyone. I'm new to the list and just want to jump in with a few of my memories of the area. I lived in Hessville from 1955 to 1960. I left for I.U. after graduating from Morton in 1960, and moved back to the area from 1968-1975.
My parents' first place for two or three years (1955-58) was in a crummy old two story apartment building on 165th just across from the IBEW building, next door to Cande's Pizza (after it moved from 163rd and Kennedy), and less than one half block from Flick's and Dick's. My wife grew up in the area; lived in the 2700 block of Kenwood St.; attended Harding through the eighth grade in 1955; and graduated from Morton in 1959. The building at 165th and Kennedy contained Dick's Grocery in the middle and Flick's on the corner. Also, I got my haircuts at a barber shop that was located in the rear of that same building behind Flick's and faced 165th. A small used car lot was across Kennedy on the northwest corner; which makes for the perfect setting of Flick's in "In God We Trust..." There was another bowling alley in "downtown" Hessville on Kennedy between 167th and Martha St., next to Solina's Bakery and across the street from Hessville Department Store and Vierk's Furniture. It seemed to be a much older place than the one farther north on Kennedy.
My wife attended the wooden Harding except for the last year or so when she went to the brick building across Parrish Avenue. Friends in Hessville tell me now that a new Harding is being constructed.
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-15-2006
( Reply#: 267 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Wow, that's interesting!
Being a few years younger than you, my memories of some places may not be as sharp as yours.
Bowling alley -- next to Solinas (the bakery with the wonderful smell!) -- when I walked past the bakery during my high school days, there was a gas station to the north of it and as far as I can remember, just the grocery store parking lot to the south. You have awakened a VERY vague memory, beginning to stir in me, that there may have been an old bowling alley there, earlier ... that I visited just once, around 4 years old! If so, then THAT's almost certainly the one where Shep was a pinboy. Kenwood Lanes definitely dates from the late 40s to mid 50s.
Cande's Pizza - their ad in my 1966 yearbook places them on 165th; I can't remember them being at 163rd and Kennedy. The Fruit Stand definitely stood on the nw corner (low ramshackle one-story wooden mom-and-pop store, where we bought rubber daggers, play money, Bazooka Joe bubble gum and other essential kid stuff); and a Marathon gas station on the sw. On the east side of Kennedy, they built the huge new IBEW hall and parking lot sometime in the mid- to late 50s; perhaps that's where Cande's once stood?
The building housing Dick's Grocery and Flick's Tap is a very deep building. I don't remember a barber shop or anything else further down on the southeast end of it, but that was out of my way and I probably walked that way just once.
Speaking of Martha Street: the Hanson Branch Library was dear to many kids' hearts. What a cozy place! If you'd like to see a couple of photos of it, just let me know and I can e-mail them to you. Classmates.com has posted a sketch someone drew of the interior. I've been told the building is still standing, but is now a YMCA office. Can't understand how the Hammond Public Library could abandon it. At the VERY least, their website ought to have a page commemorating it! Do you remember Mrs Pinkerton, the librarian, and the summer vacation reading club?
Bill
Oliver P Morton Class of '66
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-17-2006
( Reply#: 268 ) |
wvcogs |
You're correct about the directions. The gas station was north of Solina's on the corner of 167th; and the bowling alley was just to the south between Solina's and the parking lot for the old grocery store. A friend who still lives in Hammond sent me a DVD of the Hessville area for Christmas. It shows the old Solina's building on Kennedy with the old bowling alley next to it just to the south. I bowled there often while in high school at MHS. There were just either six or eight lanes. Also, until the late 1950s, Cande's was located on the west side of Kennedy about half way between 163rd and Kenwood, not on the corner. If an alley were to split the block, it would be on the Kenwood side, right next to the building that housed the old welding shop. The building is still there, but I'm not sure what is in it now. I purchased a landsat satellite high resolution image of Hammond and am able to locate some of the old areas. I always enjoyed standing out front of the restaurant watching this little guy spinning the pizza dough.
According to its web site, IBEW Local 697 still is located at 2835 165th, just east of Kennedy. I'm not sure what local union is located around 163rd and Kennedy. Here's another interesting point: According to the Local 697 web site, "In the early 60's the (apprenticeship) school was moved above 'Flick's Tap' or 'Brothers' as it is known today. In February of 1968, a new modern school was completed...."
I never went to the old fruit stand, but my wife has told me stories about that place. She lived on Kenwood, just a little more than a block away since the middle 1940s when she was four years old. Being on the same side of Kennedy, that was the place where she and her friends did their "shopping." She lived no more than three or four blocks from Shep's old Cleveland Ave. address, but spend no time there when she was little because that was on the other side of the "big" street. However, she probably walked either Cleveland or 163rd to get to Harding -- depending on where the patrol lady was located.
The Hanson Branch was a wonderful place to spend time after school. I never was in the summer reading program, but did a lot of studying and other reading there. I would like the photos you have, and will send you privately another email address to send them to.
After a while, my folks and I moved from 165th to Marshall Ave. just behind the Dairy Queen. While a senior at Morton, I worked part time at the old Hessville Department Store. I also spent a lot of time taking pictures around town and at school for the Top Hat and the Mortonite as one of the chief photographers for the photo club. In fact, Mr. Rasmussen was one of my favorite teachers. Maybe that was because I never had him for class, just for the photo club for three years.
I spent a lot of time this past year working on the 45th year reunion of the MHS class of 1960. Because of health problems I was unable to attend, but I do have a nice color picture of the old high school that I would be happy to email to anyone. Also, I have a black and white postcard photo of the east side of Kennedy Ave. in "downtown" Hessville. It shows things such as: Peggy Ann's Cotton Shop, Readmore Gift Shop, the original Calumet National Bank branch, Carri Ann's, Mack Shoes, Hessville Dime Store, Janc Drugs, the Ace, and some other businesses in the background. Judging by the cars, the photo was taken sometime in the mid-1950s, probably before 1956.
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-18-2006
( Reply#: 270 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Wow, again! Thanks for all the information!
On his satellite map, Mr Clavin should remove the marker for Kenwood Lanes, since the alley you mention, not Kenwood Lanes, must be the one Shep was a pinboy at. It's further to the south, off the picture, in the 6700 block.
I may be excused for not remembering it very well; the only time I was there, I seem to have taken my rubber Froggy the Gremlin with me. Must have been about four. What was it called?
Cande's -- On that block, I remember the welding shop on the corner, then a small building, a house set way back from the street, and the Fruit Stand. That small building must have been the former Cande's. I recall it as a real estate office. If I ever saw Cande's there, it must have made no impression ... I didn't even know what pizza was, in those days.
IBEW -- The large union hall at 6333 Kennedy, between 163rd and Cleveland, did belong to IBEW. It and its parking lot took up the entire block. I figure it must have replaced the hall on 165th that you mentioned. According to my research on the web, the hall on Kennedy is now Boilermakers Union local 374. Maybe IBEW moved from 165th, to Kennedy, then back again?
I grew up on the 2600 block of Kenwood Street. Kennedy Avenue certainly was the "big" street to us grade schoolers. In my time the Patrol Lady was always located at Cleveland Street, right in front of the old barber shop I've mentioned. It was a rite of passage when, as an older tough guy, I started ignoring the Patrol Lady and crossing at 163rd, on my way to Harding.
Omigod, I would LOVE to receive any or all of the photos you mention!!! I've already e-mailed you my photos of the wonderful old library, as well as 3 b&ws of the original Morton HS.
Mr Julian Rasmussen was my favorite teacher. I remember him fondly ... in spite of the suffocating odor of formaldehyde from all those dogfish sharks he had us dissect. In my time he was still in charge of the photo club, which his son Dave was also in. He sold me my first stereo component set, for $10, shaking his head in bewilderment when I tested it with the new Rolling Stones' "Out of Our Heads" album.
I'm really looking forward to seeing your photos.
Best wishes,
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-18-2006
( Reply#: 271 ) |
m10bob |
"I may be excused for not remembering it very well; the only time I was there, I seem to have taken my rubber Froggy the Gremlin with me. Must have been about four. What was it called?"
According to Shep, it was called "George's Pinbowlerama" (in his day.)
Since he worked there in the early 30's, a lot of time tranpired from then to the fifties..
For this reason, I have been looking at Lake county records, as time does change things.
I'm still convinced Sheps' recollections of Hammond were more factual than fiction.[:)]
Sheps' recollections of a "swamp and forest east of the school" bear credibility according to the assessors office, as the current structures are all relatively new, (circa WW2 and after.)
While I never followed my formal education, (science, including geology), I have been able to eyeball the area and the ground does show much evidence of having been a typical "Hoosier wetland" in that area.This physical feature alone would be a perfect environ for a swamp-like habitat, (supporting the birds Shep also described in that area.).
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-18-2006
( Reply#: 272 ) |
wvcogs |
As far as I can remember, everything east of Parrish was 1950 and later construction. Aren't all the houses in that area the one story, no basement ranch style houses? Corners were cut in the construction on some of those houses. A close friend of mine had a track house on Illinois Avenue south of 165th that had 2" x 3" studs in the walls.
Candes' Pizza -- An advertisement in the 1957 Morton High School Top Hat had Candes' Pizza Villa located at 6310 Kennedy Ave.
I checked six Top Hats, but did not find a single ad for the bowling alley that was next to Solina's. However, does anyone remember the Sip and Bite "Open all Night"?
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-18-2006
( Reply#: 273 ) |
svea3 |
quote:
Originally posted by Hessvillian
Is anyone on this board actually from hammond?
I grew up there all my life and attended harding k-5.
I actually have 2 friends that live on Cleveland St. one on either side of his house, and one is almost directly across the street.
HMD IND - My Roots.
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01-18-2006
( Reply#: 274 ) |
svea3 |
[8D]I am not only from Hessville, but my Great Grandfather's family was one of the original group. His farm was divided up for a subdivision in the sixties. We were Saxen...from Germany, not Hessians. I went to Morton all the way from Miss Jane to Mr Ruff and Mr Hayes. |
01-19-2006
( Reply#: 276 ) |
svea3 |
I am trying this posting thing again. I went to OPMorton all the way from Miss Jane and her switch til 12th grade with Mr Ruff and his red tie. My brother went to Morton until 10th grade and then he had to switch to HH. He went to Northwestern and I went to Michigan State. Speaking about trains, I had forgotten all about it and then I moved to Grosse Ile around Detroit. WELL the people here THINK that they have a train problem. It is not unususual to wait for 35+ minutes.But living in the da Region made me know that it could take 60 minutes to travel from Hessville to Downtown Hammond and there was no real short cut.[8)]
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01-19-2006
( Reply#: 277 ) |
svea3 |
NOW[:D]I have the hang of this posting stuff.
I grew up on Kennedy/173rd across from the park. Do you remember the big Christmas Tree that was assembled every year? It was accomplished by completing an under wooden structure so that the trees were placed upon such. Then the lights were put on top. There was a big discussion about how bad it was to use the XMAS instead of Christmas. Oh put the Christ back into Christmas was the cry. Things do not change. OR do you remember the telephone building being constructed?
Is there anyone here from the South end of Kennedy? My Great grandfather was known as the River Rat as he trapped and fished the Little Calumet all the time. In the old days, before refrigeration, they kept their meat in a box on the porch so they could watch and increase the needed amount of ice.[8)]
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01-19-2006
( Reply#: 278 ) |
m10bob |
svea3...Very glad we are flushing out the locals from Hammond.
WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It has been my experience that most of us Hoosiers came to Shep late, and were unaware for years of his fame on the east coast.
I urge you (and all other Hoosiers who find these forums) to explore Flicklives.com and notice the availability of his recorded programs.
I am sure if you begin a personal collection of them, you will hear MANY tales of the locals, (possibly including of your great grandfather, because he sure sounds like the man Shep has described when the gang went exploring the woods and dump near the Calumet south of Hessville.)
It is obvious Shep on occasion had to embellish to flesh out the memories, but most of his tales bear credibility when it comes to locations and names of people he knew as a kid.
Before long, we should have a pretty good picture of Sheps' neighborhood, and who knows, maybe it will be made into a cartoon map, of sorts ?
Now, last night I heard him mention (for the 2nd or 3rd time) of the candy store which was "near the Harding school".
I suspect (at this time) he is referring to a location on 165th, as he has failed to identify it with Kennedy in his other referances.
This candy store was where Shep and his friends acquired those "transfer tatoos".[^]
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-19-2006
( Reply#: 279 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by m10bob
Now, last night I heard him mention (for the 2nd or 3rd time) of the candy store which was "near the Harding school".
I suspect (at this time) he is referring to a location on 165th, as he has failed to identify it with Kennedy in his other referances.
This candy store was where Shep and his friends acquired those "transfer tatoos".[^]
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk
In the 1950s there was a small store on the NW corner of 165th and California. It still appears to be a commercial building on the satellite image. From that point to Harding was all residential on both sides of 165th.
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-19-2006
( Reply#: 280 ) |
Bill Bucko |
I'm sure the candy store must have been on 165th, too.
The whole area was residential, except for the many shops along Kennedy Avenue and the (far fewer) number along 165th.
I think I have a fairly recent photo of that shop, which was sent to me by a former classmate. I'll be glad to share it with you.
Bill
Morton HS Class of '66
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-20-2006
( Reply#: 283 ) |
m10bob |
Bill, you have been a wealth of info for this area, and we appreciate the maps you have provided.
Too bad (for us) so many local businesses changed since the thirties or we would find this "detective work" a lot easier.
Then again, if we did not find Shep as interesting and important to our lives, we might not feel the need for the research.
I do not feel it excessive, nor trivial, and am confident the fans of Samuel Clemons felt the same way, in going to Hannibal.
If not for Jim Clavin, we would have never had a place to come together.
EXCELSIOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-20-2006
( Reply#: 286 ) |
wvcogs |
The 1954 Top Hat (Morton yearbook) has an ad for Hessville Meat Market, 2949 - 165th St., (at California) Ray Neff, Prop. Could this place have been there 20 or 25 years earlier???
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-20-2006
( Reply#: 287 ) |
m10bob |
Yeah, it could have existed. Records are kept of business licensing and they are open to the public. The Hammond library can be a good source of info, and the best single book to look up names of business's or households was the Polk's city directory, which literally listed every existing (and occupied) structure in the communities they served.
I.E., they would show Shep's address of 2907 E Cleveland, with the dad's known occupation, and then would list every neighbor on the street similarly.
If a business was one of those neighbors, this would also be listed.
Shep's stories have indicated regular shopping at both a grocers AND a seperate meat market, so, yeah, it is possible.
As for the candy store, didn't his first top come from the candy store as well ?
BTW..Polk
s City Directories were generally issued every 4 years, (updated with census info when possible or building permit info,etc.), and I have verified the Hammond library DOES HAVE the Polk's City Directories for the late 20's and the thirties..
The info is so vast it cannot be posted online, and I have been trying to locate a private copy for sale for a long time.
This book alone would "solve" ALL of the "Shep Era" questions in one sitting.
The libraries copies are in the referance section, but are available for "walk-in reading" only, (cannot be checked out.)
While I have made some good contacts with the Hammond city establishment, getting any of them to go out of their way to assist me in research (by phone) even when to the advantage of the City of Hammond, has shown them to be as backward as, well, "Wrong Way Corrigan".[:o)][:p][;)][:D]
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-20-2006
( Reply#: 291 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by m10bob
Bill, you have been a wealth of info for this area, and we appreciate the maps you have provided.
I'm sure our two new members from Hessville are at least as valuable, as sources of information.
I remain convinced that Shep embroidered and invented places and people very freely.
And I find it odd that he talks so much about places four miles west of his house (e.g. the park where he and his buddies drank "water" out of a pipe, only to find it was sludge from the Calumet River) ... but not about, for instance, the huge prairie that is far closer to his house, or the miles-long Gibson freight yard. Or trains, for that matter.
Has anyone heard him mention the Hessville Library (Hanson Branch)? As others from the area agree, it was a memorable place ... with quaint stone architecture ... Not sure when it was built, but it could have been as early as the 1920s or '30s. It's still there, on Martha Street (downtown Hessville), half a block east of Kennedy Avenue ... though it's now a YMCA office building. Photos on request.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-21-2006
( Reply#: 292 ) |
m10bob |
Please see next entry..[:)] |
01-21-2006
( Reply#: 293 ) |
m10bob |
quote:
Originally posted by m10bob
Hey Bill, don't give up yet.
" but not about, for instance, the huge prairie that is far closer to his house, or the miles-long Gibson freight yard. Or trains, for that matter."
Shep has discussed the train yards (and problems) in at least 2 episodes, (which may be downloaded from Shep Archives.)
Punch in "Trains", and also "Railroad Magazine"
He made it clear that "nobody that ever lived within a mile of those freight switching yards was ever a fan of trains".(Quote from Railroad Magazine.)
He also discussed how the tracks both north and south of his house were "infested with engineers who took great pains to block traffic and get the "Old Man" stirred up."
Shep then went into great detail to impersonate the sounds of the trains which bang against cars all night, and said the "smoke from the diesels was so thick you could cut it with a knife and use it to paint your house with."(A sure enough "embellishment")..[;)]
In one tale, he relates how a fella got out of his car and unhooked the train so cars could get by (when the engineer was not looking!)
Since I work nights as a driver, and have transferred maybe 200 episodes to CD's, I listen to 4 to 6 different air dates 5 nights a week..With maybe 50 Shep CD's in my car, I continually go thru the mix, (adding a few new air dates from my downloaded collection weekly.)
BTW, I hope Max's "teaser" at the end of this weeks' program, and Jim Clavins' "forthcoming Shep news" announcement are an indication of more Shep-related material..???[:D]
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-21-2006
( Reply#: 297 ) |
wvcogs |
In the 1950s the bowling alley at 6716 Kennedy Avenue was called Pin Bowl Recreation. It is interesting to speculate if this could have been expanded by Shep to "George's Pinbowlerama."
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-21-2006
( Reply#: 298 ) |
m10bob |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
In the 1950s the bowling alley at 6716 Kennedy Avenue was called Pin Bowl Recreation. It is interesting to speculate if this could have been expanded by Shep to "George's Pinbowlerama."
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
Since Shep actually worked there, we can feel pretty confident he would know the owners' name, and I'll bet records will show it is "GEORGE"!
What are the odds of another "PIN BOWL" in that neighborhood, (and what a rare name!)
As far as I am concerned, you have found yet another of Sheps' haunts..EXCELLENT..[8D]
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-21-2006
( Reply#: 299 ) |
wvcogs |
I spent many Saturday mornings at the Pin Bowl in the late 1950s. By that time, automatic pinsetters had been installed. Here's the ad that appeared in the 1956 Morton High School yearbook, the Top Hat:
BOWL THE AUTOMATIC WAY
PIN BOWL RECREATION
6716 Kennedy Avenue
Hammond, Indiana
8 A.M.F. Automatic Pinspotters
I just couldn't remember the name of the place until I finally found the ad. Now it all comes back; we referred to the place as THE PIN BOWL.
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-21-2006
( Reply#: 300 ) |
m10bob |
Gonna have to go thru the programs Shep discussed the pinsetting job, but I'm fairly certain he mentioned how many lanes it had, and "8" sure sounds like what he said.
In one program, he specifically gave a number (for the lanes), and discussed who used the lanes on the "worst night"..
The worst night (he claimed) culminated in intense (and physical) rivalry between different departments of the steel mill.
Her in Indianapolis, our bowling alleys also automated in the fifties, but I remember a couple that still had the pin boys into the early sixties, on some of their lanes, (for the "purists",supposedly.)
One alley still exists here with smaller pins than the usual size, can't remember what they are called, but it is in an ancient neighborhood, (Irish Hill).
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-21-2006
( Reply#: 302 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Wow, Bob, thanks for the info on the trains!
Though of course Shep was DEAD wrong. I lived about 5 blocks closer to the freight yard than he did; and loved the sounds exactly the way some people love birds singing or rustling leaves: the low, soft, soothing throb of the small Diesel switchers was my favorite, rising and falling on the night air ... There was nothing harsh about it at all. Nor was the muffled clang loud enough to be jarring, when two cars coupled. The horns never woke us at night. Diesel smoke? He's got to be kidding. Standing by the tracks paralleling McCook Avenue, half a block from my house, I twice in the early '50s saw a STEAM locomotive pass by. They generated an unbelievably huge cloud ... almost half a block long! Diesels were much cleaner.
I believe I did hear the story about the motorist uncoupling the cars.
I agree that our new member wvcogs has positively identified the bowling alley. As I remember from my one visit, the ceiling was very low and the place was quite dark. Think it still did have pinboys (this was around 1954).
Am working on an expanded map of the neighborhood; will share it with people, in a week or so.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-21-2006
( Reply#: 304 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Here's a nice photo taken in the '50s from the big Indianapolis Blvd. Viaduct (built 1937), looking roughly northeast, and showing just the eastern half of the IHB freight yard:
http://www.hammondindiana.com/20thcentury/time_capsule06.htm
The low white structures on the far horizon are the Shell Oil Co. tank farm, along the (flammable) Calumet River. In that general direction, about 3 miles away, lie the steel mills. My neighborhood, and Shep's several blocks further away, would be off the photo, near the top right corner. You can find numerous photos of locomotives, roundhouse, etc. by searching the internet for "Indiana Harbor Belt." And here's their homepage:
http://www.ihbrr.com/
Bill ("I like trains the way John Denver liked the Rockies") Bucko
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-22-2006
( Reply#: 305 ) |
m10bob |
Yeah, Bill, I too am a railroad nut, and have belonged to the Monon Historical and Technical Society, and a few other clubs, (PRR, B&O, NYC, Mil.Rd, etc).
When dad was playing army in Korea, we lived with my grandparents near the old B&O yards in Haughville, (west Indy), and grandpa would walk me to those yards so I could wave at the freshly painted steamers at the roundhouses.
These roads were not dieselized till 1956, (except the Monon which was all diesel by 1947).
I too enjoyed hearing the trains all night, only a few short blocks away, and in fact, if Shep really disliked trains as much as he claims, why did he spend another 3 or 4 episodes speaking fondly of his rides on the trains ??
In one program, IIRC, he describes a very pleasant ride on the Super Chief to the west coast.
Since he was a pilot, he DID have other options..[;)]
As for diesels in Sheps day being smoky, well, yeah, early diesels were a LOT smokier, especially the Alco's, and NW2's, (both introduced in the 30's..)
Baldwin and Fairbanks Morse also had early entries, and these were all considered "very smoky".
In fact, one was so smoky, it was labelled "an honorary steamer" by the railroaders themselves. (I believe these were the Alco's).
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-22-2006
( Reply#: 307 ) |
wvcogs |
Ahh, the Monon... In '60 and '61 my future wife and I rode it on numerous occasions from the station in downtown Hammond to Bloomington (and back) during our first years as students at I.U. Somewhere I have some old 8mm movies shot out of the rear of the train on what I seem to remember are single tracks down close to Bloomington.
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-22-2006
( Reply#: 308 ) |
momcat2000 |
gawd those trains! i grew up in a triangular area between 3 train yards, the one across from tech, the one around east hammond and the one that ran paralel to harrison st in south hammond. the was a spur in the alley across the street and when those trains coupled, our wood framed house would shake. i think the yard on s hammond had 14 sets of tracks you had to cross to get to the other side. the one across from tech seperated my house from hammond high 4 blocks away. if there were a back up trains out of the yard around morning rush hour, half the school would be late for class. if you got home late from a date, you could always use 'i got caught by a train' and you could never be dispuited. when we were kids, we would call to the engineers 'chalk chalk' and would toss out huge pieces of sidewalk chalk - it was great!. my grandpa worked for B+O out of blue island and would get us cases of railroad flairs - kind of like money in the bank for a kid, good for trading for anything you could want. taxis were never on time, busses were always late, and you would have to scientifically plan your route to work if you didn't want to be late. parents spread the urban rumor about this kid who lost both arms by playing too close to the train track or got caught in the cuplers while hopping a stopped train. there would of been alot of one armed kids in hammond if it were true.every few years there was always someone from hammond high who's car got stalled on a track and bairly got it started and off in the nick of time. some others weren't so lucky. there is an old nickle plate train and caboose on display across from tech high school. when i was a kid you were able to climb all over it and play 'engineer' now it's fenced in, so my kids had to hop the fence to enjoy the pleasure. the gulls were all over the grain cars, rats with wings. if you really wanted to 'pimp over' someone's house, you would buy about 5 bags of popcorn kernals and throw them on top of their roof. the roof would be covered with birds for weeks and when they left, the owners would have a new'gull poop' layered roof. the banging and coupling of trains never kept me awake, the sounds of the horns would lull you to sleep, especially in the summer where no one had air condition and the window were kept open. |
01-22-2006
( Reply#: 311 ) |
m10bob |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Ahh, the Monon... In '60 and '61 my future wife and I rode it on numerous occasions from the station in downtown Hammond to Bloomington (and back) during our first years as students at I.U. Somewhere I have some old 8mm movies shot out of the rear of the train on what I seem to remember are single tracks down close to Bloomington.
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
You make a lot of local folks jealous for having actually ridden the Monon.!![:D]
(For those who do not know, the "Monon", AKA the Chicago, Indianapolis and Louisville railroad was a strictly Hoosier Line which passed the tower at the end of Hohman Avenue.
It was the train Shep took his first train ride on as a scout.
http://www.monon.org/
http://mononrr.com/
and this last one is Hammond..Let it load !!!(best on broadband)
http://mononrr.com/mpages/days_scenes/8.html
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
01-23-2006
( Reply#: 312 ) |
wvcogs |
I have taken Bill's information about the location of businesses and other places in Hessville and added a little to it based upon my memories and upon information from high school yearbooks advertising sections from 1954-1960. We should now have a fairly complete picture of Kennedy Avenue in the middle to late 1950s from the north end of Hessville to 173rd Street on the south. The list is too long to post to this forum; so if you would like a copy of it, please email me and I will get it out to you right away as an email attachment in .doc or .rtf format. (If you require another format, let me know -- e.g., .pdf or html.)
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-24-2006
( Reply#: 314 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
I have taken Bill's information about the location of businesses and other places in Hessville and added a little to it based upon my memories and upon information from high school yearbooks advertising sections from 1954-1960. We should now have a fairly complete picture of Kennedy Avenue in the middle to late 1950s from the north end of Hessville to 173rd Street on the south ...
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
Added "A LITTLE" to it!?!? NOT SO!! Your list is FAR more comprehensive than mine! I had just one yearbook to work from; you had all those years' worth. And you caught so many businesses that to me were invisible. (When you're a kid looking for the latest copy of "Famous Monsters" or a model rocket, storefronts with "Insurance" or "Women's Wear" in the window might as well not exist.)
Why don't you go ahead and post it? Your list will take up no more of the generous Mr Clavin's server space than a couple of long paragraphs!
Best wishes,
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-25-2006
( Reply#: 319 ) |
jclavin |
I'd be happy to post it if you send it to me
Jim |
02-28-2006
( Reply#: 342 ) |
regionairsdisease |
I was born in Hammond in the early '60's and our family (sadly) moved to Munster because of the schools. I guess that the Hammond School Board wouldn't raise a dilapidated Washington School, which badly needed replacement. My older brother was beginning 7th grade and this was the last straw. So we migrated to the other side of the little-Cal, but in no way turned our backs on my birthplace.
My family is steeped in Hammond tradition, as my great-grandfather owned a clothing store across the street from Goldblatt's. My dad didn't go into the business, but he loved Hammond, and when he finished his schooling, he decided to stay in the Region.
This may sound trite, but growing up in the Region in the 60's and 70's was like future tense. I learned to accept all races, nationalities, and religions--it was so diverse.
Here are some of my favorite Hammond memories:
The Paramount and Parthenon Theatres
The Calumet Theatre (we went to some skin flicks there in HS)
Made-Rite Hamburgers
Dietrich’s Ice Cream (the BEST—I think it closed in the late 60’s)
Prince Castle (long closed)
The elevator at Minas' (across from the Candy counter-I still dream of those weird arrows telling me what floor it was on)
The Army-Navy store, before it moved to 165th St.
Maruscheck's (still there?-great Corned Beef)
The huge ALL detergent box (across from Phil Schmidt's)
The model train store on Calumet Ave--I think they had a "store closing sale" for something like 20 years!
The McDonald's on Indianapolis Blvd before it was enclosed
Vince's Restaurant (OK, so what if it was in Cal City) |
02-28-2006
( Reply#: 343 ) |
momcat2000 |
i went to washington jr. high. it was torn down 2 years after i got out. beatiful old building. |
03-01-2006
( Reply#: 344 ) |
wvcogs |
And, believe it or not, I was in high school at Morton when the McDonald's was built in the late 1950s at 175th and Indianapolis Blvd. Yes, the burgers really did cost only 15 cents each. The restaurant looked just like the one with the golden arches in Des Plaines, IL. that is pictured on the McDonalds museum web site.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
03-08-2006
( Reply#: 377 ) |
kball |
My rememberance of Hammond as a child is a fond time.
I grew up next to Hammond Muffler on Kennedy Ave. The street of my home was Gibson Pl. My Grandfather built my house. I use to play in the woods by the rail road tracks. My brother worked at Chuck and Irenes. We use to play baseball in Flick's parking lot. I went to Warren G. Harding K-6, Morton Middle, and Morton Sr High.
I remember getting my haircut at Auggy's barber shop next to Kenwood bowling alley. Papa B's pizza was great.
I remember my parents sending us to Dairy Queen on Sunday afternoon so they could have the house to themselves. I remmeber that Lost Park (Gibson park) use to have people there during the summer so you could make crafts and play that wood hockey game.
My father and Grand father worked for Bainbridge delievery fuel oil.
My wife lived on Cleveland St.
I remember going to Delocks to buy candy. Best memory was missing a day of school because of the blizzard of 79.
Oh those days!!!! |
03-09-2006
( Reply#: 382 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Welcome!
Sounds like you went to Harding a few years after my time.
Was the old wooden portable Harding still there? During the 50s and 60s, KG through 6th grade went to the brick Harding, while the gym and 7th and 8th grades were in the portable.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
03-09-2006
( Reply#: 383 ) |
wvcogs |
For those who haven't found it, there is a picture of the old wooden school at [url]http://www.hhs59.com/harding.htm[/url]. This site is linked from Mr. Clavin's www.flicklives.com site. My wife was a mid-term Harding "graduate" during the 1954-55 school year, and then went to Morton for high school. There is a picture of the brick building in 1950 on the Harding School web site - [url]http://www.hammond.k12.in.us/HardingES/[/url].
A new school is being constructed next to the present school and will be ready for use in the fall 2006.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
03-09-2006
( Reply#: 385 ) |
kball |
good to see that the school has grown enough for a new building. But it saddens me as well. The site of the new building use to be the teachers parking area. There was a fence that seperated the parking from the playground. We used to play kick ball there and over the fence was a home run!!!
Ok this may not be the right area but how many can remember your teachers at harding?
K. Mrs. Wild
1st Mrs. Plum (My favorite)
2nd ???
3rd Mrs. Galvin
4th Mrs. Maholic (Cutest)
5th ???
6th Mrs. Calohan
Gym was Mr. McNott <sp>
Music Mrs. Graham (that was her maiden name. she got married when I was in 5thish)
|
03-09-2006
( Reply#: 386 ) |
kball |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Welcome!
Sounds like you went to Harding a few years after my time.
Was the old wooden portable Harding still there? During the 50s and 60s, KG through 6th grade went to the brick Harding, while the gym and 7th and 8th grades were in the portable.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
No the old school was gone. Just the empty lot accross the street. My Mom and Dad was from around that time frame. Dad was born in 43 and Mom in 44. So I guess that would make them class of 57 around there. |
03-11-2006
( Reply#: 392 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by kball
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Welcome!
Sounds like you went to Harding a few years after my time.
Was the old wooden portable Harding still there? During the 50s and 60s, KG through 6th grade went to the brick Harding, while the gym and 7th and 8th grades were in the portable.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
No the old school was gone. Just the empty lot accross the street. My Mom and Dad was from around that time frame. Dad was born in 43 and Mom in 44. So I guess that would make them class of 57 around there.
Hello Governor!!
Did your parents also attend Harding and Morton?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
03-12-2006
( Reply#: 396 ) |
diskojoe |
I'm currently reading The Brothers Bulger, about Billy & Whitey Bulger, the Boston politician and his Most Wanted Mobster brother(for 10 yrs. & counting) respectively, by Howie Carr, the Boston radio talk personality & newspaper columnist. According to the book, it seems that Whitey paid a little visit to Hammond, IN in October, 1955. His purpose was not to check out sites associated with Shep's life, but to rob a bank [:0]. He first cased the Mercantile National Bank, but abandoned the plan when he & another member of the gang saw a policeman in the bank. A few days later, they robbed another bank in a shopping center in Hammond, which netted them $12,612.28. It also netted him a 20-yr. federal jail sentence when he was caught & tried the next year, of which he served nine, spending some of it in Alcatraz. It's a good book if you're interested in true crime and/or politics (can you tell the difference?, Shep LOL)& I just want to pass along the Hammond, IN connection. |
03-21-2006
( Reply#: 414 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by diskojoe
I'm currently reading The Brothers Bulger, about Billy & Whitey Bulger, the Boston politician and his Most Wanted Mobster brother(for 10 yrs. & counting) respectively, by Howie Carr, the Boston radio talk personality & newspaper columnist. According to the book, it seems that Whitey paid a little visit to Hammond, IN in October, 1955. His purpose was not to check out sites associated with Shep's life, but to rob a bank [:0]. He first cased the Mercantile National Bank, but abandoned the plan when he & another member of the gang saw a policeman in the bank. A few days later, they robbed another bank in a shopping center in Hammond, which netted them $12,612.28. It also netted him a 20-yr. federal jail sentence when he was caught & tried the next year, of which he served nine, spending some of it in Alcatraz. It's a good book if you're interested in true crime and/or politics (can you tell the difference?, Shep LOL)& I just want to pass along the Hammond, IN connection.
Thanks for the connection. That had to be the Hoosier State Bank in the Woodmar Shopping Center since Woodmar was the only shopping center that I know of in Hammond at that time.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
03-21-2006
( Reply#: 415 ) |
diskojoe |
Thanks for providing the name of the bank. It wasn't mentioned in the book & I figured that some Hammond homeboy would provide the information. Who knows, maybe Whitey's actually back in Hammond [8D]! |
03-26-2006
( Reply#: 419 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
For those who haven't found it, there is a picture of the old wooden school at [url]http://www.hhs59.com/harding.htm[/url] ...
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
OMIGOD, OMIGOD, OMIGOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ken, THANK YOU!!!! I somehow MISSED following this link when you first posted! I just now discovered it! YES, that's a photo of (part of) the old wooden portable that Shep attended (as did I, for Junior High, 1961-1963). It was NOT "demolished in the 1950s," it was around at least through the time I was there.
This photo appears to date from the 1940s or early 50s. When I started walking past it each day on the way to the brick building (one block to the east, on the right) in 1954 it had more modern street signs.
What you're seeing here is part of the wing that stretched along Cleveland Street. The taller part on the right is the gym. I do remember this wing being a bit longer.
Thinking of the bldg as U-shaped, this is the right-hand part of the U you're seeing.
The library, and most of the classrooms I was in, were in the bottom of the U. The right-hand wing, except for the gym, during my time was used for I'm not sure what, special ed or perhaps a few elem. classrooms they didn't have room for in the brick bldg. We 7th and 8th graders never entered this wing, except on the way to gym.
In my time, the flagpole was located on the asphalt area by Cleveland Street, near the entrance in this photo. Since it doesn't show in this photo, it obviously wasn't around for poor Flick to get his tongue stuck to it
The 2nd photo on this web page is not of the portable. You can tell from the tiled walls that this was taken in the 1950s brick Harding.
The 3rd photo, I'm pretty sure, was not taken on Cleveland Street but on Delaware Avenue. You're looking here at the NW corner. (Note the different shape of this corner. The SW corner did not bulge out like this, it was a simple right angle.) Delaware on the left, 163rd Place in the background. (Definitely no horses in my time--I'm not THAT old!)
Thanks again, Ken!!
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
03-28-2006
( Reply#: 422 ) |
Jim R |
Hi all! I grew up in Hammond, 6800 block of Idaho Ave., corner of Idaho and Martha, third block due south of Harding. I attended Harding K thru 7th grade, Morton Middle for 8th grade, and Morton High 9th through 12th, graduated in '72.
I remember them tearing down the old Harding in the summer of 1967. All the "middle school" studends transfered to the old Morton High building as the new Morton High was opened for classes fall of '67.
I have lots of memories of the Hessville area, as well as many memories of the stories my father told me (he was a couple years behind Shep in school). He grew up two or three streets due north of the old Harding building.
I also still have my 1967 Harding yearbook (The "Scroll") and if I can get my scanner working again, I'll post some pictures of the old building from it.
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
03-28-2006
( Reply#: 425 ) |
m10bob |
That would be great Jim R.
We wanna see the flagpole!!![:D]
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
03-29-2006
( Reply#: 428 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Yes, Jim R, any more pictures would be great!
Re:
"Harding Elementary School- The original school that Shep attended was constructed in 1924 at 3107 Cleveland Street. After a fire, a replacement structure built in 1949 at 3211 165th Street, with additions made in 1957 and 1961."
I don't believe that is correct. The wooden portable that I attended 1961-1963, on the 3100 block of Cleveland, showed NO signs, inside or out, of ever being damaged by fire; I never heard mention of any fire; and the building obviously was several decades old.
The bottom of the U (along Delaware Avenue) was slightly older than the two side wings. There was no sign of this on the outside, but on the inside you could see a line in the floor where the two side wings were joined on. The woodwork of the side wings definitely looked a little newer.
The brick Harding at 165th and Parrish, that I attended 1954-1961, did NOT "replace" the old wooden portable. It supplemented it ... as evidenced by the fact that BOTH were in use, all the years I was there.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
03-29-2006
( Reply#: 429 ) |
Jim R |
I agree completly with the above post. But I have a question, why does everyone refer to the old wooden building as "the portable"?
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
03-30-2006
( Reply#: 433 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Damfino (pardon my French). But it was ALWAYS called that, in my time: by teachers, students, even by the principal.
I heard a rumor that it had once stood where the brick Harding now stands. That was only hearsay, and I only heard it once or twice.
The bottom of the U (which, as I've said, was the oldest part) was quite large, and it boggles the imagination to think it could ever be moved. Perhaps that kind of construction is called "portable" simply because it could be moved, not necessarily because it ever was.
It certainly was roomy. Large classrooms with tall ceilings on either side; and a large, wide corridor down the middle. Nothing cramped about it. We kids did occasionally sing, "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school," but we were just being kids. It was a nice place. We miss it.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
03-30-2006
( Reply#: 435 ) |
m10bob |
Don't think this is totally OT, but as far as "portability" is concerned, maybe it was considered "portable" like the Army considered those wooden barracks as "temporary", (even though they lasted forever).
On an Army base, all structures are considered "temporary" unless they have a masonry foundation.
Here in Indy, in the World War Memorial, are pictures of a 6 story office building which used to stand where the memorial now sits.
The pics show (in detail) that entire six-story building being moved across the street, (to the east on Pennsylvania), and the building still stands there, with a new and ornate facade built onto the old "rear" of the building.
In the end of the nineteenth century, and early in the twentieth, it was fairly common to see homes,etc being moved on flatbed trucks.
I have seen this done myself maybe 10 times, (as I'm sure everybody my age has?)[;)]
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
03-30-2006
( Reply#: 436 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by m10bob
Don't think this is totally OT, but as far as "portability" is concerned, maybe it was considered "portable" like the Army considered those wooden barracks as "temporary", (even though they lasted forever).
On an Army base, all structures are considered "temporary" unless they have a masonry foundation.]...
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk
I think you're right. They probably called it that because of the foundation.
I RARELY heard the wooden building called anything ELSE but "the portable." Maybe once in a while it was referred to as "the junior high," but otherwise, it was ALWAYS "the portable."
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-02-2006
( Reply#: 446 ) |
wvcogs |
My wife started attending Harding in January (mid-term) 1947 when it was just Harding School. To her that's all it ever was -- never the portable or temporary -- even though she did move into the brick building when it was finished a couple years later.
For what it's worth, check out this page on the Hammond history site: [url]http://www.hammondindiana.com/history/harding.htm[/url]. It refers to the "Harding Park Historic District." Actually, it is just the 3100 block of 163rd Place, just across the street from the north side of the old wooden Harding School. The page mentions in error that "The Harding Park Historic District is located in the northern section of the city in an area commonly called 'Hessville'". Actually, we all know that Hessville is located in the far southeastern section of the city of Hammond.
Bill -- I did email the web master who posted the Harding School photos and told him that the center photo was not of the interior of the wooden building because of the tile wall and the lockers. Also, notice that the date on the photo, April 1950, is the same as the date on the photo of the original brick building that appears on the Harding web page. He responded, and said that he would make the change to point out that the lost and found photo is in the brick building, but I haven't seen the correction yet. Also, I agree that where ever the information about the fire came from is completely inaccurate. The wooden building did not burn. Just check Jim R's post about the building being torn down in summer 1967 when the replacement Morton was built. (Was it really possible to replace the old 7040 Marshall Avenue?)
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-03-2006
( Reply#: 451 ) |
Jim R |
Growing up three streets south of Harding, we always refered to the area as Hessville.
quote:
Was it really possible to replace the old 7040 Marshall Avenue?
Once when I was down there visiting, I drove by the old Morton High, it was gone. A new building was under construction.
Anyone remember Tilden 4 and Tilden 5?
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
04-04-2006
( Reply#: 453 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Of course we remember TIlden ... Hessville's phone exchange.
In those days phone numbers were always two letters, followed by numbers ... for instance, Tilden 4 - 4191.
Good grief! You might as well ask whether we remember the Dog and Suds sign, on Kennedy Avenue ... with the dog looking a bit like Disney's Goofy. (This was the '50s. Past Shep's time.)
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-04-2006
( Reply#: 454 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Anyone remember Tilden 4 and Tilden 5?
TIlden 4-6708 -- My girlfriend's (and now my wife of almost 43 years) telephone number on Kenwood Street
TIlden 5-1701 -- My telephone number on Carolina Avenue
How in the world do I remember them after all these years???
Do you remember when Mr. Dowling who lived in the 2700 block of 163rd was mayor of Hammond in the 1950s? My wife's family lived almost just across the alley on Kenwood.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-07-2006
( Reply#: 456 ) |
wvcogs |
Based upon information that Jim R posted, I was able to get the webmaster to update information about the wooden building on the [url]http://www.hhs59.com/harding.htm[/url] web site. Unfortunately, he listed me as a former Harding student. Oh well, at least the information is changed and I am from Hessville.[:D] If you haven't done so yet, take a look at the pictures on the page. The top photo is of the side of the school along Cleveland Street. The center photo is the side along Delaware Avenue.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-07-2006
( Reply#: 457 ) |
Jim R |
Here is a picture of the front of the building (bottom of the "U"), taken during the winter of '66/'67. Here's your flagpole, folks!
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hardingflagpolelarge8zr.png
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
04-07-2006
( Reply#: 458 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Golly, THANKS!!!! That's almost exactly as I remember it!
Actually ... wait a minute, maybe I'm confused. You say this is the bottom of the U?
At first I was going to say no, I believe this is the right side, i.e. the Cleveland Street side (south facade), not the Delaware Avenue side (west facade).
I do remember the flagpole being on the Cleveland Street side, during my time there.
There were two main entrances: one on Cleveland, near the SW corner, and one on Delaware Avenue (close to the middle) (though it doesn't show up in the photo with the horse).
The first photo at hhs59, is DEFINITELY the Cleveland Street side, since we can see the gym at the end. There's no mistaking it.
I notice the trees are different, in your photo and the first one at hhs59.
The more I look at your photo, the more I'm coming to accept that it's the Delaware Street side. I think I do remember that big evergreen.
YES, you are right!! The lawn on the Delaware side was DEEPER than the little bit of lawn on the Cleveland Street side! That is apparent in both your photo and the one with the horse.
There must have been two flagpoles ... one on Cleveland, and one on Delaware. (I.e. one near either major entrance.)
THANKS!!!!
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-08-2006
( Reply#: 459 ) |
Jim R |
Well. the flagpole is not on the Cleveland Street side in the hhs 59 photo, and it's not in the 66/67 Cleveland Street photo I have (having trouble scanning this one), so I don't know. I do know that the Delaware Street entrance was directly acrossed the hall from the school office, so it seems logical that that's where the flagpole would be.
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
04-08-2006
( Reply#: 460 ) |
Jim R |
http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clevelandst6ek.jpg
Not real clear, but here is the Cleveland Steet side, you can see the brick Harding building in the background. Also take during the winter of 66/67.
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
04-08-2006
( Reply#: 461 ) |
Bill Bucko |
WOW, THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!
THIS photo brings back even more memories than the others!
That is indeed the brick Harding in the distance, to the right. To the left you can see the brick building's boiler room and smokestack.
I do have pretty distinct memories of patrol boys hoisting the flag by the Cleveland Street entrance. I recall we usually had to line up on that side of the building, when coming in from recess. So I'm going to stay out on my limb, and say there was a flag pole there for a few years, but not earlier or later.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-09-2006
( Reply#: 462 ) |
wvcogs |
Jim R -- I hope you don't mind, but I passed the link to your Cleveland Street photo on to the webmaster of the HHS59 web site and he posted it to his Harding School page along with the three photos that were already there: [url]http://www.hhs59.com/harding.htm[/url].
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-20-2006
( Reply#: 467 ) |
wvcogs |
If you haven't seen it yet, take a look at Bill Bucko's new topic -- Hessville Map -- on this forum where he has posted links to a map that he prepared of Hessville in the 1950s. It includes details of the Harding School grounds, both the old wooden school and the newer brick one.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
06-04-2006
( Reply#: 502 ) |
wvcogs |
If you would like to see what beautiful downtown Hessville looked like in about 1954, take a look at this scanned image of a black and white post card. These are the 6700 (in the distance) and 6800 blocks of the east side of Kennedy Avenue. The Pin Bowl was on the west side and is not visible, sorry. It was across from the light colored two story building in the distance (Vierk's Furniture).
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/KennedyAve.jpg[/url]
These buildings were old at that time, and probably look much the same in this photo as they did in the 1930s and 1940s.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
06-04-2006
( Reply#: 503 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Yes, thanks. Just this side of the Ace Theater (visible in the photo) stood Janc's Pharmacy (now a diner), at the intersection of Martha St. Just a half block to the east (right) on Martha St. was the Hessville Library. The beautiful stone building is still there, though now used as a YMCA office building.
Shep's neighborhood was about half a mile north, and a block to the east. Morton HS would be several blocks south, and one block to the west.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
06-05-2006
( Reply#: 504 ) |
wvcogs |
Hey Bill and others,
All those distances seemed much greater when we were young and walking to school on Kennedy Avenue. Actually, Morton HS was just two blocks south and one block west of the location of this picture; but it seemed like a whole different world to us. There was this beautiful three story, art deco style building right in the middle of an established residential area. Has anyone ever seen a building more beautiful that this?
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Morton1961.jpg[/url]
Well maybe you have, but this one that was torn down in 1991 has a lot of memories for those of us who attended school in Hessville (Hammond) from 1937 when it was built and served as a school through the tenth grade. It was a four year high school from 1953 until 1967. (Please excuse the bad spot in the picture, but that is from the original that I scanned.)
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
06-05-2006
( Reply#: 505 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Yes, distances did seem longer then.
BEAUTIFUL photo. And Morton was one of the TOP high schools in the state. Though perhaps better known for sports achievements (which I'll pass on, not being a sports fan ... though I think Morton won the state football championship repeatedly), it produced a young electronics wizard who tapped into the phone company's lines (a forerunner of computer hacking), not to defraud them but merely in pursuit of knowledge (when caught, he was reportedly encouraged to pursue his technological career, though along legal lines), and a young lady who, even before graduating, spent time in the University of Chicago's labs dissecting rats in original cancer research. The debating team won the state championship repeatedly.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
06-11-2006
( Reply#: 506 ) |
Bill Bucko |
And my beloved girlfriend went on to Bloomington, where she had a job analyzing data from the Indiana University cyclotron. We were not a high school of Bumpuses or Farkases. (With apologies to any current members of those families who are more evolved than their progenitors, as portrayed by Shep -- or perhaps caricatured by him.)
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
06-14-2006
( Reply#: 511 ) |
wvcogs |
College professors, rich businessmen (and women), retailers, members of the clergy, steel workers, government employees, truck drivers, unemployed drunks on welfare, and many others -- we have all kinds in my class of 1960 from Morton.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite - "da Region"
Morton Graduate 1960 |
06-15-2006
( Reply#: 512 ) |
KathyM |
quote:
Originally posted by Hessvillian
Is anyone on this board actually from hammond?
I grew up there all my life and attended harding k-5.
I actually have 2 friends that live on Cleveland St. one on either side of his house, and one is almost directly across the street.
HMD IND - My Roots.
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06-15-2006
( Reply#: 513 ) |
KathyM |
I was born and raised in Hammond. I went to Edison elementary and graduated from Hammond High. My dad retired from Inland Steel. He knew Jean Shepherd through some co-workers (I think they went to school with him), but this was in the 1960's or 70's, and Shep was long gone from Hammond by then.
My family is originally from Ohio, but my parents moved to Hammond in '59 or '60 so my dad could find work. They lived with my dad's parents, who moved there because my grandpa took a job as captain of an oil carrier, stationed in East Chicago. Hammond was still a good place to live back then. My grandmother especially enjoyed living there and missed it when they returned to Ohio after my grandpa retired.
I left Hammond after graduating in 1980 and never went back. It was a very depressing place--quickly becoming a ghost town because of the recession. Now there are casinos and strip joints--and Cabela's is taking the place of Woodmar Country Club/golf course--so the Hammond of "A Christmas Story" is forever gone. |
06-15-2006
( Reply#: 514 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Kathy M and welcome.
Yes, Hammond (especially Hessville [:D]) was a good place to grow up way back when; but my wife and I moved away from there in 1975 and have not been back since her mother's death in 1988.
Even though you did not attend Morton, there still is a certain closeness since you attended a school (Edison) that was built at the same time and from the same plans as our old beloved high school on Marshall Avenue.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite - "da Region"
Morton Graduate 1960 |
06-21-2006
( Reply#: 516 ) |
Dave |
OK, kathym and wvcoqs, what is wrong with Hammond of today? You are taking nostalgia to extreme limits. Things change, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse, and sometiimes just different. (I hope you are not complaining about differences in the ethnic and racial makeup of the city?) I am sure there was plenty of (illegal) gambling and plenty of (semi-illegal) strip clubs back in your day as well.
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06-21-2006
( Reply#: 517 ) |
wvcogs |
Dave et al.
I don't think I said there was anything wrong with the area, just that we haven't been back since 1988. When you no longer have any family in the area and the area has no special attraction any longer, there just isn't any reason to return. Anyway, here is the reason we left if you really need to know.
When I left the area in 1975, I did so for the safety and security of my family. We lived in Munster and I worked in Gary (the city just east of Hammond). At that time, Gary was just beginning on its trek to becoming the per capita murder capital of the United States. Just a month before we moved, there was a murder in the alley just across the street from the place where I worked. Since 1975 we have lived in a small town in a small state that has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.
By the way, we didn't need any semi-legal strip clubs in Hammond back in the 1950s when there were plenty of legal ones just across State Line Avenue on State Street in Calumet City, Illinois. And, I'm sure there was plenty of back room gambling in the bars in the area; but that didn't bother me. In fact, my future father-in-law at the time would stop almost every day after work at one of the bars near the mill gate in Indiana Harbor to have a few drinks and play some cards.
Hammond was a great place. I cannot speak for it now since I haven't been there since 1988.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
06-25-2006
( Reply#: 522 ) |
Dave |
Ken, Kathy,
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound so harsh. I am very fond of the region. I'm not even a resident or native (but I have a lot of friends and family in Hammond, Whiting, etc.). I think the nostalgia makes us forget that the region was always firmly blue collar working class with some seedy edges to make things interesting. (Although you might be pleasantly surprised if you take a drive through Downtown Hammond nowadays.) |
07-24-2006
( Reply#: 529 ) |
wvcogs |
Dave,
You're absolutely right about the blue collar nature of the city. My father-in-law was a crane operator in the open hearth at Inland Steel. He had worked there for at least 25 years before his death in 1967. My father was a guard at Youngstown. Both were residents of Hessville. I might like to get back there just once to see what the place looks like now.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
08-26-2006
( Reply#: 546 ) |
j-g |
Hi Shep fans. Thanks for sharing and discussing [:D] ... I get a kick out threads like this.
I live in Hammond now, with a "TIlden" prefix phone number. I grew up in The Harbor, with an "EXport" prefix telephone number. I watch the ACS marathon on TNT on Christmas day, never tiring of explaining the local links to the ... fatheads viewing the movie. My college roommate used to live near the film location in Cleveland, to boot.
And yes, the new Harding school is up and running. Website at http://www.hammond.k12.in.us/HardingES/ ... but the pictures, or "tour" are not onlne yet.
¡¡¡ Jess ¡¡¡ |
08-26-2006
( Reply#: 547 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Welcome. I assume "The Harbor" = Indiana Harbor?
ANOTHER Harding School? The @#&%^#* barbarians better not have torn down the 1950s brick building I went to! It's bad enough that the wooden portable Shep went to is now just a grassy plot. And that they tore down my High School. And Goldblatt's.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-27-2006
( Reply#: 548 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Bill and others...
Here's a quote from an email I received this morning from a friend who still lives in Hessville and who lived on Crane Place when she was growing up. By "original school" she means the 1950s brick building.
"Harding is just about finished with the tearing down process of the original school."
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
08-27-2006
( Reply#: 549 ) |
Jim R |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
"Harding is just about finished with the tearing down process of the original school.
So sad...
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
08-27-2006
( Reply#: 550 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Thanks, everybody, for the news ... though it is indeed sad ... I was actually considering visiting the old neighborhood, on a week off from work, last month.
The times we had there! And the memories! In fact, back in 1954 I met the girl I've been in love with for the past 42 years, in Miss Jordan's KG class ...
I'm especially grateful to all of you who've posted photos of the old buildings.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-29-2006
( Reply#: 551 ) |
brendasam1 |
I have lived in Hessville since 1950. Went to Harding from k-8 class of 1960. Morton class of 1960. I now live at 2907 Cleveland street, yes the house Jean Shepherd lived and wrote about.
In the attic he and Randy wrote their names in chalk, it is still there. We have not updated much of the house. I still have the tub he use to take baths in. The same kitchen sink. Furnace has be updated, but still have the octapus arms. My husband and I are about to retire, may be putting the house up for sale soon. If interest watch the papers will post before doing so. |
08-30-2006
( Reply#: 552 ) |
babsy1 |
OMGAWD! I can't believe I found this website-- reading all this has taken me back to places and feelings I'd forgotten completely... -- aww, come on you guys-- lemmee in!! Bona fides: I grew up in Lansing, went to TF South, class of "72. My grandparents, my bousha and jadji (spelling??... I know it was Polish) lived in Whiting, & we used to go to my Dad's Standard Oil company picnics at Whiting Park. Also shopped at Goldblatt's... does anybody else but me remember the "hootchie cootchie machine" at Goldblatt's, somewhere on the upper floors, by the elevators?? It must have been an old carnival relic-- a big tall wooden box with a glass case on top that had a hootchie cootchie dancer/puppet inside, who'd dance a little turn & then it'd tell your fortune. I was fascinated by it when I was little, thought it was vaguely "bad", and was ashamed to ask my Mom for the penny to get my fortune told. Sorry!-- am just reeling with memories here...
The very first time I ever saw A Christmas Story, my husband & I'd just returned to the States from being stationed in England from '84-'88, & I'd never even heard of Jean Sheppard. But it came on TV, and within minutes of watching it memory bells started clanging, & I thought, wow!... that store is just like Goldblatt's, and those houses look just like my grandma's house in Whiting... it was my childhood... and I love that movie to tears.
I also loved "Ollie Hopnoodle", which had to be set where, d'ya think? Wisconsin Dells? Michigan City? Saugatuck? We used to go on those "cabin on Lake Michigan" family vacations, too. I remember my Dad driving us in the big old Ford north into Wisconsin, & stopping at all the "Indian trading posts" along the way, with the rugs and bedspreads all hung outside.
As I write this, I'm looking at a particularly gaudy purple-flowered bedspread that my Mom bought on one of those trips back in the 50's , to send to her Mom in England. Well, I just came back from England with it last spring after cleaning out my other Gran's house there, & now it's on my bed-- clashes with everything I own & looks like a bad acid trip in chenille, but hey, it's crossed the Atlantic twice and it's a "Genuine Dells"... |
08-31-2006
( Reply#: 553 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Welcome.
Goldblatt's certainly was memorable. I do have to disagree with you on one point: I don't think the store in the movie was just like Goldblatt's (at least, not on the inside). Goldblatt's was very MIDDLE-middle class, not nearly as classy as, say, Marshall Field's. Or the store in the movie. And though the ceilings were very high, I don't remember them ever putting up a big tall Christmas slide like they did in the movie. Seems too fancy for the Goldblatt's I remember. Though I wasn't there every Christmas, and I can't swear they didn't.
I think the store was four stories high. It had clunky elevators. And if you were a young kid, climbing that stairwell on the northeast corner of the building (with windows between floors) made you feel very vulnerable, seeing the street so far below your feet.
Don't quite remember the hootchie-cootchie machine, though their shoe department on an upper floor did have a big fluoroscope machine that supposedly let you see how the shoes fit, when you peered through the viewer on top. Don't think I ever saw anything much through it. It was removed as unsafe, before I was very old. I think it was there that I got a Fearless Fosdick rubberband gun as a premium. And a Heckle and Jeckle comic book.
In the '50s Goldblatt's had an optometrist on the ground floor, where I got my first pair of glasses, and nearby, boxes of high-quality microscope slides for sale. They had a cramped book section toward the rear doors (counting Sibley Street as the front and Rimbach as the rear), where you could buy any Tom Swift Jr, Hardy Boys, or Tom Corbett Space Cadet book if you had a dollar. Most paperbacks sold for 35 cents.
Upstairs, tons of drapes and curtains and blinds, totally uninteresting to a kid ... except for the wall displays that had large gray posters of outdoor scenes, framed by the drapes as though you were looking out a real window.
In the middle of the basement, down a wide flight of stairs, was the big meat counter with lots of things like Polish kishka (the most revolting stuff I ever tasted).
Across the street was Kresge's, where I bought a large waxy plastic stegosaurus for 25 cents. And a man from Neptune. Should have kept them ... they would be worth hundreds of dollars, today.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-31-2006
( Reply#: 554 ) |
diskojoe |
To babys1: I think the spelling is Babchie & Dzazie (that's what my niece & nephews call my parents)[:)]. Also, the discussion about Goldblatt's reminds me of Almy's Department Store, which was a small chain in the North Shore of MA. I especially remember the one we had here in Salem. It was just like Goldblatt's, middle-middle class, but it had everything, even a shoe-repair department in the basement. It disappered in the mid-1980s' due to the rise of the local shopping malls, but there are plenty of people around here who still miss it. |
08-31-2006
( Reply#: 555 ) |
wvcogs |
Bill,
In your response earlier this morning you mentioned Marshall Field's as being a classy store; and that it was. Have you heard that the Field's store on State Street in Chicago is becoming a Macy's? Also, I heard that the Carson's store on State Street is closing. I haven't heard anything about the other Carson's stores in places like the Woodmar Shopping Center in Hammond.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
08-31-2006
( Reply#: 556 ) |
jmosbrook |
The department store where the movie was shot was Higbee's in the heart of downtown Cleveland, next to the big Terminal Tower. For its time, it was a big, classy store with many floors and lots of dark wood, old escalators, etc. It was not unlike a couple other big department stores in Cleveland at the time, or similar stores in virtually every other city. From what I have read here, Higbee's was much bigger and fancier than Goldblatt's. Today, Higbee's is also gone. |
08-31-2006
( Reply#: 557 ) |
wvcogs |
I believe another member of this forum, SVEA3, mentioned at one time that the Christmas parade in Hammond during Shep's time there was sponsored not by Goldblatt's, but by a more "upscale" department store, Edward C. Minas. SVEA3 who graduated from Morton High School in Hessville (Hammond) in 1960 had older relatives who worked at the Minas store in downtown Hammond. It could be that using Goldblatt's in his stories was just another liberty taken by Shep.
One more point: If my family was able to shop at Goldblatt's, it was also available to the LOWER-middle class, not just the middle-middle class.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
08-31-2006
( Reply#: 558 ) |
momcat2000 |
Babsy, A Polish girl in Lansing? I thought y'all went to TF North like my cousin did, class of 71'. I thought South was all Dutch. My Polish gramdma lived in Cal City right on the State Line. When that area would flood, we had to go get my Grandma, Grandpa and Aunt in a row boat to get them out. My Aunt and cousins would come over from Shirly Dr. to my Grandma's house when the water started to rise.
My Dad worked for Standard Oil in Whiting also, but he was in sales and on the road all day with an office at home. I think they had to check into the main office in Whiting once a week though.
I also loved those 'faux' window in Goldblatts. Goldblatts used to give out a sort of 'green stamp' one would save in a little book. When the book was full you got some sort of discount or something. My Mom would take her receipts to an area near those 'windows', pay on her credit balance and get her 'stamps'.
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09-01-2006
( Reply#: 561 ) |
wvcogs |
Does anyone know whatever happened to Hessvillian, the member who started this topic almost a year ago? He posted only once; but I am very glad that he did. Thanks. [:)]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
09-01-2006
( Reply#: 562 ) |
UncleCarl |
So whenever you'd hear Shep talk about his mother in her red rumpsprung bathrobe with the egg on the label, working away at the sink, you'd actually be able to look over and see the real thing! HOw cool is that! (I have to resort to the images from "A Christmas Story".) I've lived in the area several years but haven't driven by yet. Do you get a lot of people stopping by?
quote:
Originally posted by brendasam1
I have lived in Hessville since 1950. Went to Harding from k-8 class of 1960. Morton class of 1960. I now live at 2907 Cleveland street, yes the house Jean Shepherd lived and wrote about.
In the attic he and Randy wrote their names in chalk, it is still there. We have not updated much of the house. I still have the tub he use to take baths in. The same kitchen sink. Furnace has be updated, but still have the octapus arms. My husband and I are about to retire, may be putting the house up for sale soon. If interest watch the papers will post before doing so.
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09-07-2006
( Reply#: 564 ) |
babsy1 |
Alright am trying this again for 3rd time-- testing testing |
09-07-2006
( Reply#: 565 ) |
babsy1 |
great-it worked! Hi y'all & thanks for your replies! Bill Bucko-- I remember Goldblatt's basement & stinky meat counter too-- I could smell it on me all the way back on the bus to Lansing (used to go down there for these Dutch windmill cookies, with spicy icing & colored sprinkles.) Also remember Kresge's-- still have bubble Christmas lights my Dad bought there. And wvcogs, I remember Minas's too-- used to get prom dresses there.
But BTW Bill-- did you mean G'blatt's Polish sausage was revolting, surely not all Polish sausage? Dunno about G'blatt's personally-- my Babchie & Dzazie (thank you diskojoe!)made their own in Whiting, in a homemade "smoker" (read: modified Standard Oil drum). Dzazie would stay with us in Lansing in the fall, and smoke us up some too-- this great Polish sausage smell would hang over our house & people would come to our door & ask, "what is that stuff?". It was delicious. My cousin Susan ccaused family scandal when she was the first Murzyn in generations not to serve Polish sausage at her wedding-- big buzz round the tables: "well!!-- who does she think she is?". |
09-07-2006
( Reply#: 566 ) |
babsy1 |
Momcat-- loved your rowboat story!-- I can just see that! & I've gotta look at a map, cuz I don't remember all these places. Were your grandfolks on the little Cal? I'm trying to think, doesn't the state line run up, 159th? I don't know how my Polish-descent father would up in Lansing-- he built our house there in the late 40's, & moved his English WW2 warbride there. My Mom hated it-- she'd liked Whiting & Whiting Beach & hopping on the S.Shore in Hammond to visit the Loop. And you're right, there were a lot of Dutch in Lansing-- I dunno which was settled first, Lansing or South Holland. But I recall a lot of everybody-- Polish, Italian, Irish-- but maybe that's cuz I went to Catholic school. I just remember classes with like 50 kids and one mean nun, and big families with a kid with the same face in every grade through eighth. I remember, with much shame now, we even had what were then called DP's-- displaced persons-- after the war, and unfortunately the kids were not always very nice to them. Maybe cuz it was a Catholic school-- St. Ann's on Ridge Road-- & they'd been involved in resettling & sponsoring Eurpean people after the war. I started there in 1960, & I know some of my classmates people had only within a few years been brought over from Eastern Europe. I wonder now if that was part of some Cold War thing? |
09-07-2006
( Reply#: 567 ) |
babsy1 |
And brendasam1-- I'm not generally envious, but how I'd love to live in your/Ralphie's house. You must be the same lady I read the article about, somewhere on one of the jeansheperd sites. Do you do tours there, or is this basically your private home? I'm stuck in Norfolk, VA but if I win the lottery, I'd buy your house like a shot when you sell it! (Patsy Cline's old house up in northern Virginia was up for rent, & my sister was gonna rent it & stroll around in leopardskin capris there until she realized it was like a 75-mile commute to her then job!) |
09-07-2006
( Reply#: 570 ) |
ebruceb |
Regarding the post from brendasam1: I've attempted to contact the residents of Shep's house several times, and my table with info about my Shep book was at the entrance to the Hammond Shep and A CHRISTMAS STORY fest, which I'm told they visited, yet I've never gotten any contact from them. Naturally I've wondered why. Perhaps they are shy, or just not interested in talking about Shep (or not interested in talking to me). They should be sure to take a good photo of the chalk names in the attic. I'd asked for such a photo. Well, maybe it'll happen one day.
Gene Bergmann |
09-07-2006
( Reply#: 571 ) |
diskojoe |
babsy1: You're welcome re: Babchie & Dzazie, but I don't understand what you mean by "Polish sausage". It's called Kielbasa. No talk like Amerkanskie [:)]. Anyway, your comments re Catholic school and how your family was scandalized by your cousin's refusal to serve Kielbasa really struck a chord w/me. Also, I was wondering if your father came directly from Poland or was his family here in the U.S. for a generation or two? |
09-07-2006
( Reply#: 573 ) |
Bill Bucko |
[Those with weak stomachs, please SKIP this post!]
Babsy1, though kishka is Polish and (technically) is a sausage, kishka is not "Polish sausage." Polish sausage is actually sausage-colored, is found on civilized tables, and is part of the natural order of things. Kishka, on the other hand, is colored a revolting gray and black, so repugnant to sight, smell and taste that it must be a violation of the laws of nature. [V]
As I recall, after I threw up a time or two, my parents excused me from attempting to eat kishka.
* * *Different point, and probable source of confusion, to some: the Lansing referred to in some posts must refer to Lansing, Illinois (somewhere over the state line from Hammond), not Lansing, Michigan.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
09-08-2006
( Reply#: 575 ) |
diskojoe |
I totally agree w/Bill re: Kishka, probably because I'm the only American-born member in my family. As for Kielbasa ("Polish sausage" to you Amerkanskies), now that's a diferent story. One of my favorite meals, if you don't mind me being a S-L-O-B in S-P-A-D-E-S, is Kielbasa w/Campbell's pork 'n beans, with toasted Italian bread w/the butter slapped on before putting it in the old toaster oven & a cold glass of milk. It will warm you gut right up[:)]! |
09-10-2006
( Reply#: 576 ) |
babsy1 |
Hi y'all!!-- thank you Diskojoe & Bill B. for informative discourse re kishka/kielbasa/Polish sausage. Is kishka the godawful blood suasage stuff? If so, then bleck... I totally agree with ya both-- had immediate gag-reflex response recalling some family holiday "do" in Whiting where somebody brought blood sausage, & we kids were let to taste it, after which they told us it was made with duck's blood... double-bleck!!.
The Brits have a similarly awful dish called "black pudding". My friend Lindy (Amerikanskie-of-Hungarian-descent)told me when the Navy first posted her to England, she stepped off the plane at Heathrow starved for some sweet treat, so plopped into the first restaraunt & asked for a double-order of "black pudding", which she assumed would be some type of chocolate mousse thingy, but turned out to be 2 big stinky black sausages slung on a plate.
So, is kielbasa the collective name for all types of what I (formerly!;)) called Polish sausage? I ask, cuz another old friend of mine was Polish, & whenever she'd go back to New York, she'd bring back all different types of Polish sausage/kielbasa. I'm interested because I have a very very old black cast iron sausage grinder thing, that used to belong to my Dzazie, & I've been toying with the idea of trying to re-make some of his famous (to us!) kielbasa. |
09-10-2006
( Reply#: 577 ) |
babsy1 |
Also, I forgot-- you'd asked, diskoJoe, about my Dad's heritage. Both his mother & father were from small villages a few miles apart outside of Cracow, I think. They both emigrated separately to the US & somehow wound up in Whiting sometime between 1900-1910, met each other, & married. They had 5 kids; my Dad being the eldest, and like so many other folks in Whiting, they all worked for Standard Oil.
I was still young when my Babchie & Dzazie died, & I never really knew their family stories. I used to ask my Dad, but he didn't know much either, & he said my grandparents had very hard early lives, both in Poland and the US, and so they didn't like to talk much about themselves.
I know my Dad was sent to St. Adalbert's school in Whiting, where the nuns taught him English & would slap him (& any other kid) if he lapsed into Polish in school. The nuns said the first-borns' whole families had to depend on that kid to interpret English & American culture for that family, so in the interests of family survival in this new country, no Polish was allowed at school-- only English.
That was "cultural diversity" in Whiting Indiana in the 1920's. Harsh but real. |
09-12-2006
( Reply#: 578 ) |
diskojoe |
babsy1: Thanks for the info re: your family. My parents & brother & sister came straight from Poland in 1959-60 to Salem,MA, where one of my uncles (who came here before WWII)owned a bar & a package store (Massachusetts term for liquor store). My father worked for my uncle until he passed on & afterwards managed another package store called the Bunghole until he retired. My mother has worked as a seamstress since coming over here.
I totally understand the relunctance of your grandparents to talk about their lives. It was also interesting to read on how your father was treated by the nuns re: the use of Polish. My siblings, who were appx. 7 & 9 yrs. old when they came here, learned English straight into school (which was also a Polish Catholic school). They both speak perfect English w/o any accent. My brother told me a story about how he was at a party & someone told him that bilingualism was a good thing, whereupon he started talking to him in Polish [:)]! |
10-23-2006
( Reply#: 595 ) |
Tony Russomanno |
In 1966, Gerhard Kellner, the principal of Hanover Park High School in Hanover, New Jersey, approved the efforts of several students to build what was then only the third FCC licensed high school radio station in the nation, WHPH. That decision launched the broadcast careers of a number of students, myself included. Last year, I found out that Kellner was from Hammond and may actually have gone to school with Shepherd. The story I heard was that Kellner supported WHPH because he was proud of his association with Shep. We never heard that from him directly, but, looking back 40 years, it makes sense.
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12-11-2006
( Reply#: 644 ) |
svea3 |
TILDEN???? I can remember that my number was 114 then Sheffield 114 and THEN TILDEN 0114!
Linda |
12-11-2006
( Reply#: 647 ) |
Tom J |
My phone number was in the WEstmore exchange. WE-3-0308
You know, they were STILL using the letter prefixes as late as my senior year, 1967. I thought they had changed to all numbers before then, but in my 1967 Hammond High yearbook, The Dunes, the ads placed by local businesses showed phone numbers with the letter prefixes.
When DID the letter prefixes go away??? Anyone know?
Tom
Hammond High Class of 1967 |
12-12-2006
( Reply#: 648 ) |
Jim R |
Just had a look in my 1972 Morton High yearbook, and some of the ads still used Ti and We numbers.
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
12-12-2006
( Reply#: 649 ) |
Tom J |
I wonder if there were a few years when people continued to use the letter prefix, even though the "official" listing had become all numbers? After all, the very same keys would be punched in dialing a given phone number, whether the number was listed with letters and numbers or with all numbers.
I remember Dad bought a brand new 1969 Ford Econoline van for his parking lot striping business, and the sign on the side of the van listed our phone number with all numbers. I don't remember the sign being changed from WE-3-0308 to 933-0308 anyway. I think it was 933-0308 to begin with.
Tom
Hammond High Class of 1967 |
12-12-2006
( Reply#: 651 ) |
wvcogs |
In addition to TIlden and WEstmore, there were interesting telephone numbers in some of the ads in the 1954 Hammond Morton High School Top Hat yearbook. Apparently these (and many others that I haven't included) had not yet switched to dial and probably still required operator assistance.
Teibel's - Dyer 3161
Dan's Garage - Sheffield 5517
Vierk's Furniture - Sheffield 320, 321, and 685
Baldwin Realty - Russell 7040
Logan's Tuxedo - Sheffield 5070
George Lamb - E.C. 916 & 6874
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
12-13-2006
( Reply#: 654 ) |
svea3 |
Glad that you , Ken, remembered the time frame. My dad's business number was Sheffield 114- that was Johnson's Dairy on the corner of 173rd and Kennedy. [My dad was the fellow who would put up the huge XMAS tree in Hessville Park.]
I asked one of my 'know it all type ' friends what his recollection was. I remember moving into my house in GP MI in 1967 and the number was TUxedo 6-8167 Then it became 886-8167 when my daughters were young. That time has become a fog to me, and so I have nothing on which to hang a time frame. Things became clear when I bought my first computer, an Atari 800 in 1978. It was all downhill after that!I remember spending $3500!. We had a group that met in Southfield MI once a month to do programming. One of the guys was working on Monopoly. The rest of us were at the Space Invaders/ PONG stage. We had games from California before they hit the market. NOW that was exciting.
Does anyone remember the Mathematics/ Science group which met city wide in the late 1950's?
Linda J Harmon '60 MHS |
12-13-2006
( Reply#: 655 ) |
wvcogs |
By 1954, the telephone number for Johnson Dairy Service (Your Favorite Milk) at 7238 Kennedy Avenue had been changed to TIlden 4-0114.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
12-13-2006
( Reply#: 656 ) |
svea3 |
Thanks again for clarifying! I can remember learning about Mr Tilden too. SO,I was in Morton Elementary School then with Judy Bogan and Billy Dedelow. I spent my entire school life at Morton from MISS Jane to Mr Ruff. |
12-27-2006
( Reply#: 682 ) |
DEEDEE |
I grew up in Hessville. My father grew up there also and has told stories about being the first (or second) kid in the "new" harding school. He got into a fight with another boy (Al)over who would be first. (I can't remember who won) He knew Shephard. The movie mentions "Grover Dill" My fathers name was similar. Does anyone on this forum have any information regarding that time and area? I also graduated from 8th grade at that little old school just before it was torn down. We lived in Hammond before relocating to Hessville. I remember the Flick's Tap that moved into the building that was previously The Nook restaurant ( on Kennedy Ave)where I caught a bus every morning to take me to Hammond Tech High School.
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12-27-2006
( Reply#: 683 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by DEEDEE
I grew up in Hessville. My father grew up there also and has told stories about being the first (or second) kid in the "new" harding school. He got into a fight with another boy (Al)over who would be first. (I can't remember who won) He knew Shephard. The movie mentions "Grover Dill" My fathers name was similar. Does anyone on this forum have any information regarding that time and area? ... I remember the Flick's Tap that moved into the building that was previously The Nook restaurant ( on Kennedy Ave)where I caught a bus every morning to take me to Hammond Tech High School.
Welcome! Yes, several of us are from that neighborhood (and have posted our memories, on this thread and others). I posted a map, and several guys have posted rare old photos of Harding! Since your father knew Shep, he must have gone to the old wooden portable Harding (I went to the brick Harding for kg - 6th grade, and the wooden Harding for Junior High).
Glad you remember The Nook. I lived just a few blocks away, on Kenwood Street; and walked my girlfriend to the busstop at the Nook, in the 1960s, for the ride back to the Mayflower Home for Girls. Maybe you saw us!
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
12-27-2006
( Reply#: 684 ) |
DEEDEE |
It is so nice to read the messages about Hammond and Hessville. I lived in Hammond "Downtown area" until 62/63 then moved to Hessville (North Kennedy Ave). I went to Harding (brick building)grades 5-6 then the old wooden building grades 7-8. Then commuted to Downtown to go to Tech. I graduated in 71. I married, lived a short time in North Hammond and then bought a house in Hessville on Idaho. My first two children attended Harding (the brick building that is now gone). My dad (deceased) is not around to answer questions about the area back when he grew up and went to Harding. It was really fun growing up there. Not like most neighborhoods are now. I live about 50 miles Southeast of Hessville now. I did not know Hammond/Hessville had a rep. as being "Da Region" back then. I found that out when going downstate, talking to people. They would say, "oh, your from Da Region", like it was a bad thing. I never knew what they meant. After I moved away, I still had family in Hessville, and participated in the Little Red Schoolhouse Festivals.
I wonder if they are still having the Festival every summer. |
12-27-2006
( Reply#: 686 ) |
DEEDEE |
Me again, I would like to add that my Father worked for the Harbor Belt Railroad for over 30 years out of Gibson Yard (right by our house) and I still have family (brother and nephew) working for that railroad. My two sons are working for the EJ & E railroad. Must be in the blood! After reading more of the previous messages and looking at the old Harding, downtown Kennedy Ave pictures. I am lost in memory lane & no hurry to be found. Thanks so much, to all of you. I am glad The Times put this website in the paper along with the article about Jean Shepard and the movie. |
12-27-2006
( Reply#: 690 ) |
Jim R |
Hi DEEDEE! Looks like we were almost neighbors. I grew up on Idaho Ave, left the area (joined the Air Force) in January 1972. My dad lived there till he past away in 2003.
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
01-27-2007
( Reply#: 750 ) |
duane |
Absoutely agree. Although I believe that you could actually cross the state line and be from Calumet City and still be considered a region rat. I'm from EC tho. Most of the folks in Highland, Munster and the like were people that "got snooty" and got a big mortgage and moved out of EC or Hammond. Gary folks usually moved south and east, to places like Chesterton.
Speaking of Calumet City - does anyone remember the old burlesque theaters that used to adorn the streets. They were all closed by the time I was festering as a youth, but I remember the old signs and marquis (sp?) that announced performers like "Cynthia the Body" and the like. I definitely remember seeing the one for Cynthia! Conjured up some wild images in this (at the time) young teenager! |
01-29-2007
( Reply#: 752 ) |
seejay2 |
Hi All!,
I happened to blunder into this site while trying to remember the name of the drive-in that was located on 169th & Kennedy Ave, in the '67 era where the KFC is now.
After seeing reference to Dick's Grocery, The Nook, Tilden numbers (TI4-4846 by the way) and those old photos of the wooden Harding building I spent the entire morning wrapped up in the discussions concerning "Hessville of Olde" and could not pull myself away from it.
I still remember when you picked up the phone and heard, "Number please". You then had to give the number to the little voice to make the connection.
Solinas' Bakery..I worked in there cleaning the 20 million pans they delivered the rolls and donuts on.
After that, I worked in a little electronics repair shop called Triangle Repair, just a couple doors down from Hills Hammond Times Agency...I put time in at the Big Wheel on the boulevard as a short order cook when they still had a curb service. I survived the '67 Snow and Viet Nam, but I still can't remember the name of that drive-in. Can someone help me out?
Thanx,
CJ |
01-29-2007
( Reply#: 753 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Hi All!,
I happened to blunder into this site while trying to remember the name of the drive-in that was located on 169th & Kennedy Ave, in the '67 era where the KFC is now.
After seeing reference to Dick's Grocery, The Nook, Tilden numbers (TI4-4846 by the way) and those old photos of the wooden Harding building I spent the entire morning wrapped up in the discussions concerning "Hessville of Olde" and could not pull myself away from it.
I still remember when you picked up the phone and heard, "Number please". You then had to give the number to the little voice to make the connection.
Solinas' Bakery..I worked in there cleaning the 20 million pans they delivered the rolls and donuts on.
After that, I worked in a little electronics repair shop called Triangle Repair, just a couple doors down from Hills Hammond Times Agency...I put time in at the Big Wheel on the boulevard as a short order cook when they still had a curb service. I survived the '67 Snow and Viet Nam, but I still can't remember the name of that drive-in. Can someone help me out?
Thanx,
CJ
Was it the Pow Wow?
Glad you have joined us, CJ. Got any downtown Hammond memories to share? There is a thread in here on Downtown.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
01-29-2007
( Reply#: 754 ) |
seejay2 |
POW WOW!! Yes! Thank you!
Oh yeah, I got a lotta stories. I am a 67 Morton grad. Most of my tales are from the Hessville area, though. At one point I lived right behind the Shep Cleveland Ave. house on 163rd Pl.
CJ |
01-30-2007
( Reply#: 755 ) |
Bill Bucko |
It was indeed The Powwow. You shoulda checked out the thread on "Hessville Map":
"Ken (wvcogs) has very kindly posted online two versions of the large Hessville map I compiled (with helpful input from Ken and others):
a half-sized version at http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hessville_Map.jpg
and a full-sized version at http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/HessvilleMap1950s.jpg
(takes 2-3 minutes to display, using a slow dial-up connection; but worth the wait!"
I remembered the hangout, but not the name; it was Ken who identified it for my map. Per the phonebook, there is indeed a KFC there now.
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-30-2007
( Reply#: 756 ) |
seejay2 |
Actually I wasn't even aware of the map until after I had thrown the question out there. I see some blank spots on the map to which I can offer some upgrading if you are interested. Bill, did you go to Morton? That "Bucko" name seems familiar to me. CJ |
01-30-2007
( Reply#: 757 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello CJ. I believe Bill will not be back on until late tonight, so I will jump in and answer your question for him. (Bill, I hope you don't mind.) He graduated from Morton in 1966. It would be nice to have some of those blanks on the map filled in. Some of the information that I provided to Bill came from the advertising sections of the Top Hat yearbooks that I have, 1954 through 1964 except 1955 and 1963.
While I was in school, I worked for a while at the Hessville Department Store that was just across the street from Solina's. Since I graduated in 1960 and went to school at IU in Bloomington, I'm not sure what happened to the store after that. I know that the owner, Nick, didn't stay around for long.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-30-2007
( Reply#: 758 ) |
seejay2 |
I'm going to add to the pot a little more. I see where people are referring to Cande's Pizza being on Kennedy Ave. I never knew the place to be there. I always knew them to be on 165th until it blew up. I grew up through the 50s & 60s on the 6600 block of Arizona. Every day we used to see a Cande's cook walk to work there from somewhere off of Parrish Ave. We knew him as "Billy Meat". One of my friends used to work there and we had devised a scheme where we would make bogus pizza orders at just the right time before closing. They would give all of the bogus orders to the employees when they left. I know that sounds sinister, but anybody who ever had Cande's knew it was #1 in the planet and therefore a forgivable transgression. Just for everyone's information, House of Pizza was considered #2. I live in Portage now, but I had to come to Hessville last Saturday and we ordered House of Pizza for the first time probably since the 60s. It was miserable!..........CJ |
01-30-2007
( Reply#: 759 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
I'm going to add to the pot a little more. I see where people are referring to Cande's Pizza being on Kennedy Ave. I never knew the place to be there. I always knew them to be on 165th until it blew up. I grew up through the 50s & 60s on the 6600 block of Arizona. Every day we used to see a Cande's cook walk to work there from somewhere off of Parrish Ave. We knew him as "Billy Meat". One of my friends used to work there and we had devised a scheme where we would make bogus pizza orders at just the right time before closing. They would give all of the bogus orders to the employees when they left. I know that sounds sinister, but anybody who ever had Cande's knew it was #1 in the planet and therefore a forgivable transgression. Just for everyone's information, House of Pizza was considered #2. I live in Portage now, but I had to come to Hessville last Saturday and we ordered House of Pizza for the first time probably since the 60s. It was miserable!..........CJ
CJ:
I know for a fact that there was a Candes Pizza on 165th Street, because my older cousin and I would go there to pick up Italian Beef Sandwiches for the family. They had THE BEST Italian Beefs in the world!
I can even post a street address for Candes when I get home from work tonight. A high school buddy, a guy by the name of Art Peschke, whom I was visiting this past August, made me a photo copy of a certificate from Candes entitling him to a free pizza. He had won some kind of radio contest, and the certificate was signed by the famous disc jockey, Dick Biondi, and by Jan Gabriel of WJOB. Art decided to keep it and not use it for his free pizza, because he valued those signatures. A 165th Street address is shown on that certificate for Candes Pizza.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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01-30-2007
( Reply#: 760 ) |
seejay2 |
I don't doubt for a second that it was there, I just don't remember it there. I fact, I think I remember mom saying something about it there. I'll have to ask about that...............CJ |
01-30-2007
( Reply#: 761 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
I don't doubt for a second that it was there, I just don't remember it there. I fact, I think I remember mom saying something about it there. I'll have to ask about that...............CJ
I'm not sure I understand your last post, but I was agreeing with you that there definitely WAS a Candes Pizza on 165th, like you said in your prior post.
Tomster
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
01-30-2007
( Reply#: 762 ) |
wvcogs |
Candes' Pizza -- the original location was at 6310 Kennedy Avenue. I remember watching the little guy standing in the window spinning the dough. My wife and her parents lived just a few houses around the corner in the 2700 block of Kenwood Street. That Candes' address came from the ad in the 1957 Top Hat. Sometime in the following year, Candes moved into a new building at 2844 165th Street. The ad in the 1959 Top Hat had the 165th Street address. I lived closeby on 165th when the move was made.
Tell me what you mean about it "blew up." That's the first I have heard of that.
I agree, Candes was Number 1...
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
01-30-2007
( Reply#: 763 ) |
seejay2 |
Something had exploded in the building in the middle of the night. I don't remember ever hearing exactly what it was, but with all that gas ovens and what-not I can only guess. I lived only a block and a half from there, on Arizona Ave. and we saw all four walls had separated but had not blown apart completely or collapsed. It was razed very shortly thereafter. I miss that place. I haven't had a pie even remotely close to what those were.
Tom: I think my mother had said something about it being on Kennedy at one time................CJ |
01-31-2007
( Reply#: 766 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Sigh ... I wasn't even sure what pizza was, back in those days (it was never served in my backward family). Sorry to hear about the building blowing up.
As far as the Hessville map ... my reason for making it was to bring back memories of walking the girl I love down Kennedy Avenue, in 1964-65. I really don't have time to update it. BUT any or all of you are more than welcome to download it, add to it, change it, customize it, personalize it! Have fun !! (I created it in Microsoft Paint, piecing together downloads from Mapquest of their most detailed street maps, and then enlarging to 200%. The only thing we can't do is make any commercial use of it, since the underlying streets are property of Mapquest.)
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-31-2007
( Reply#: 767 ) |
seejay2 |
Deedee
My dad worked for IHB out of Gibson as well. We used to go to Upper Penninsula and Northern Wisconsin (where he and his side of the family is from). When the kids found out we were from "da region", it was like we had come from some other planet. All of a sudden everyone wanted to be our friend...........CJ |
02-04-2007
( Reply#: 778 ) |
DEEDEE |
Hey there all, I just finished viewing the Hessville map. Great Work. Some of the places were before my time but there's quite a few that I do remember. Buy the way, Chuck and Irene's Tap was (and still is) located at 6110 Kennedy (very North end). Also, near the corner of 162st and Kennedy Ave. was Tommy Angelos, "Idle Hour". I read in the paper, not too long ago, that Tommy passed away.
My father knew Tommy. My mother worked as a cook for Chuck and Irenes for years.Chuck and Irene have both passed away. I don't know when the businesses started up at those locations but they were there when I lived in the neighborhood. They also put up a Big (UGLY) do it yourself Car Wash in the 6100 block of Kennedy (East side of Kennedy)somewhere around the mid to late 60's. i wish I could remember more. Old age, the memories are fading fast.
From Hammond & Hessville
Now..."the Boonies" |
02-04-2007
( Reply#: 779 ) |
seejay2 |
The Quarter Car Wash!!! I remember how we grumbled because we couldn't quite get the job done for 25 cents. You had to cough up another quarter. What does a thing like that cost now? More than 50 cents! Down the block across from Linde's is that cluster of businesses that seem to change hands every week. The only one I really remember from the 60s era was J&J Neon. It was the one furthest south. My brother still works at Linde's and he is going to write down what he remembers there. Across the lot from J&J was Gardner's Standard. "Escalade" or something like that is there now. A little further down I remember Tommy Norge Cleaners. Keep going---Porter's Tap (all ages welcome). Down by the VFW where the cannon stood (is it still there?)was a shoe repair guy. Mitroka or something like that. Calumet Nat. Bank---before the parking lot (or maybe even the Bank itself) was a weed field with a huge billboard in it. Across the street was Ken's Barber Shop (remember that guy?).
Here's where I get personal. South of that, just north of Dairy Queen stood a huge white house (there is a muffler business there now). It was cut up into apartments. I lived in one of those for a little while. All utilities (except phone & elec)with a garage to park in for $90 a month.
Across the street again was Moffett School of Dance, Steve's Dry Goods then Loomis. Cross the street (look both ways first). There was a big weed patch there. We used to catch every type of bug created in jars there, then it became an in-ground trampoline center. I think now it's a used car dealer. Next to that is a building that I can think of four businesses in:
Adam's (candy & comic books-10 cents then). This was in the 50s.
Wachala School of Music
Zaranka Optometrist
Ramian's Insurance
Skip to the 6800 block (5&10 Store block). All the way down by the track was the (UGH) Bluebird Tap. What a dive!
Here is an honorable mention: On the corner of 169th & Arizona stood a little oil, gas & candy store business named Shipman's (little gas station now). They were there when the steam engines used to shoot across the tracks there. My dad,an IHB engineer, used to call those things "hot water jobs".
Now for the $64,000 question:
Somewhere in the 6800 block of Kennedy, probably on the east side, there was supposed to be a place named "The Soda Pump". I'm reaching back to the 40s-early 50s era. I never knew the place. Is anybody, or your parents familiar with it? I need to get any info I can on it.
I'm tired now, I must go sit.....................CJ |
02-04-2007
( Reply#: 780 ) |
wvcogs |
CJ - Thanks for bringing back some more memories.
Tommy's Norge Cleaners was operated by a brave fellow with cerebral palsy who traveled around town on his adult size tricycle. Until 1960 when I left for college (and didn't return until 1968) he attended the same church I did in Hessville.
Ken's Barber Shop is where I got haircuts for a couple years after my family moved from 165th Street. We lived in the house on the northeast corner of 167th and Marshall, just behind Del's DQ. When we lived on 165th, I went to the small barber shop that was in the rear of the building where Dick's Grocery and Flick's were located. That shop's front was on 165th.
The trampoline center on the corner of 167th and Kennedy was owned by the same person who owned Hessville Department Store. I believe it was the second one in the area. The first was at the south end of the Woodmar Shopping Center.
Henry Wachala's School of Music was mainly for teaching kids to play the accordion. My wife took lessons there in the early 1950s. She can still do a pretty good job playing the accordion whenever her arthritis lets her.
Thanks again CJ. Ken...
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
02-04-2007
( Reply#: 781 ) |
seejay2 |
Ken,
I used to see Tommy all the time. Did you know the Kras family? They lived across the street from you and to the north, right across from that big warehouse there. There were two houses on that lot.............CJ |
02-05-2007
( Reply#: 782 ) |
wvcogs |
I don't remember the Kras family. The only person I remember on that side of Marshall was a lady who worked as a seamstress and did alterations for the Department Store. One of my 1960 classmates, Ed Johnston, lived on the east side of the street in the third house south of Vine St. I believe Ed had a younger brother.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
02-07-2007
( Reply#: 787 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Deedee and CJ, thanks very much! I had totally forgotten Chuck and Irene's, the Moffett School of Dance, and the Wachala School of Music! How amazing, to be reminded after not thinking of them for more than 40 years!
Bill
Morton HS Class of '66
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
02-07-2007
( Reply#: 788 ) |
seejay2 |
I haven't crossed the street to the other side of 169th yet. |
02-19-2007
( Reply#: 821 ) |
DEEDEE |
CJ, Your father was an engineer on the IHB? My father was also.
He passed away in 78 just a few years before retiring. I grew up in Hessville and I can't remember that many businesses on Kennedy. Thanks for the List (keep it going). It's just sad, after spending well over ten years running up and down Kennedy Avenue, I can't remember. I love that all of you are bringing it back. I spent many days at the Norge until we finally talked dad into buying a washer and dryer. Tommy was a very nice guy.
I remember spending summer days walking from one end of Kennedy Avenue to the other to go to Hessville Pool. In my teens, we would walk to the Armory on 173rd Street where Bands would play. We had a great time dancing. I wonder if they still do.
From Hammond & Hessville
Now..."the Boonies" |
02-23-2007
( Reply#: 825 ) |
wvcogs |
... and, how about those of us who walked blocks from one end of Hessville to the other in the winter to ice skate at the outside rink in Hessville Park? Skate a while then warm up by the fire in the park shelter -- then skate some more. Of course, there was the member of this forum who had to walk all the way from the other side of Kennedy Avenue to get to the park.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
02-25-2007
( Reply#: 828 ) |
seejay2 |
...and how about those of us who just had to see how close we could get to the thin ice to inevitably fall through. This was, of course, on the day when the warming shelter was not open and now you get to walk home 5 or 6 blocks with skates frozen to your feet. After you got home your family informed you that you were adopted because nobody with blood ties to this family could be brutally stupid enough to do what you just did. |
03-26-2007
( Reply#: 842 ) |
eyebab |
I can't believe I found this site!!! I am a '57 graduate of Hammond Morton(used to cut class and go over to the Hitching Post) and attended Porter, Harding, and Morton grade schools at one time or another as my family moved around. I, too, Lived on Cleveland Street in a duplex, but can't remember the st.number. Also lived on Osborne, 169th, and Marshall.
My Mother was co-owner of the Chic Beauty Salon on Kennedy Ave. next to the Ace Theater(and an Optometrist office. Fifield's was the other Drug Store down from Janc. Emil Janc was my Godfather. A&P grocery was across the street. Also on Kennedy was Luchene's sporting goods and record shop. Down by Hessville Park was the Artim Truck Co.
I remember when the Sip and Bite was called the White Swan.
I know this is a disjointed missive, but perhaps I can be more specific as I read everyone's posts and get a feel for navigating this site.
Best to all the Hessvillians.
jerry babitz |
03-26-2007
( Reply#: 843 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Jerry. It's great to hear from another Governor. Welcome aboard.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
03-26-2007
( Reply#: 844 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
My Mother was co-owner of the Chic Beauty Salon on Kennedy Ave. next to the Ace Theater(and an Optometrist office. Fifield's was the other Drug Store down from Janc. Emil Janc was my Godfather. A&P grocery was across the street. Also on Kennedy was Luchene's sporting goods and record shop. Down by Hessville Park was the Artim Truck Co.
Welcome! Please don't miss our map of Hessville -- it includes many of the places you mention!
Thanks for naming A&P. I remember going to that grocery store, when very young, but couldn't remember the name. Around 1957 or 1958 it closed when A&P opened their larger, brand new store on 165th and Alexander.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
03-27-2007
( Reply#: 845 ) |
eyebab |
In the 50's I remember 2 stores on the west side of Kennedy, down by Morton, called "The Emporium" and "Whitakers." Whitakers was a small grocery run by two old maid sisters while the Emporium was a small variety shop where I remember buying 33 stamps for 99 cents. Also remember a hardware store right off the SW corner of Kennedy and 169th. Down from there was a plumbing Co.where the Dedelow(oldest son became mayor of Hammond)family lived upstairs.
Used to take a bus to downtown Hammond and get off at Woolworths and head over to Goldblatts and go down in the basement and get two steamed hot dogs(buns steamed too) and a coke...all for a quarter. Upstairs on the 2nd floor they had a shoe repair where you would sit in an open booth in your stocking feet while your shoes were resoled.
Also on State Street there was a place which sold 78 rpm records and they had booths with phonographs where you could listen to the latest record before buying(or more likely for me,just listen to your favorite record without buying.)
One subject I haven't seen broached is teachers. At Morton High Albert Clark was the principle. 9th hour dicipinarian was named Ruff and he taught Latin. Miss Virden taught English. Mr. Flansburg taught algebra. Maury Zlotnik was the football coach. Other names: Chidester, Hand, Groves, Melton.
Hammond and esp. Hessville in the late 40's and 50's was a perfect place for growing up. I know change always comes and you can't live in the past, but I sure cherish those childhood memories.
jerry |
03-28-2007
( Reply#: 846 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
In the 50's I remember 2 stores on the west side of Kennedy, down by Morton, called "The Emporium" and "Whitakers." Whitakers was a small grocery run by two old maid sisters while the Emporium was a small variety shop where I remember buying 33 stamps for 99 cents. Also remember a hardware store right off the SW corner of Kennedy and 169th. Down from there was a plumbing Co.where the Dedelow(oldest son became mayor of Hammond)family lived upstairs.
Used to take a bus to downtown Hammond and get off at Woolworths and head over to Goldblatts and go down in the basement and get two steamed hot dogs(buns steamed too) and a coke...all for a quarter. Upstairs on the 2nd floor they had a shoe repair where you would sit in an open booth in your stocking feet while your shoes were resoled.
Also on State Street there was a place which sold 78 rpm records and they had booths with phonographs where you could listen to the latest record before buying(or more likely for me,just listen to your favorite record without buying.)
One subject I haven't seen broached is teachers. At Morton High Albert Clark was the principle. 9th hour dicipinarian was named Ruff and he taught Latin. Miss Virden taught English. Mr. Flansburg taught algebra. Maury Zlotnik was the football coach. Other names: Chidester, Hand, Groves, Melton.
Hammond and esp. Hessville in the late 40's and 50's was a perfect place for growing up. I know change always comes and you can't live in the past, but I sure cherish those childhood memories.
jerry
Jerry:
My era was more the decades of the 50's and 60's, since I was born in 1949, but I agree that they were wonderful times and that Hammond was a fantastic place to grow up back then.
I was not from the Hessville section of Hammond, but I was not far from that area. I grew up on Woodward Avenue, which is only one block long and runs parallel to Calumet Avenue and two blocks east of it, from 165th Street on the southern end to Cleveland Street on the northern end.
The store on State Street that let you listen to records was Milliken's and was across the street from Minas's.
We sure had one great little downtown, didn't we? I've got an essay in here somewhere about Downtown Hammond that you might enjoy reading.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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03-28-2007
( Reply#: 847 ) |
Jim |
I just found this site and thought some of you might like this picture from Harding - Miss Fenoglio's 1st Grade class in 1954.
The boy on the right, 3rd row from the bottom is Stanley Jablonski. For years he had a fruit stand in the empty lot on the SW corner of 165th and Kennedy Ave. He was right across the street from the National Tea Co. Many of the stores patrons put their groceries into their cars and then walked or drove across the street to buy his tomatoes. He gave National a run for their money, selling better tomatoes for $0.10 a pound vs their $0.20! His customers did not mind that he didn't give S&H green stamps! I heard he put himself through medical school with the profits.
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03-29-2007
( Reply#: 849 ) |
svea3 |
REAL Cute I have a lot of these from Morton. We had class pix until 8th grade.
Linda '60 O.P.MHS |
03-29-2007
( Reply#: 850 ) |
seejay2 |
Hi Jerry,
I graduated Morton in 67, but you are tossing some names out there that were still around in 67: Mae Virden (I watched her grab some guy twice her size by the ear and lead him out of a study hall for some infraction)Mr. Melton, Chidester and Coach Zlotnik who just passed not too long ago.
This is somewhat important to me. Do you remember a place across the street and a little north of Sip & Bite called the "Ye Old Sugar Bowl Restaurant". It would have been there in 1950. Can you recall anything at all of this place? Maybe your parents?
Here is another: North of there, on the 6400 block of Kennedy used to be another place called "Soda Pump" or "Rainbow". This would have been in 50, as well. It was a little north of Dick's Grocery that everyone called Pop's. Hessville Cleaners was or still is in the other half of the building.
If you can remember anything at all of these places, please reply and I will explain in more detail.
Thanks alot, Jerry, and have fun with the site; I sure have
CJ |
03-29-2007
( Reply#: 851 ) |
wvcogs |
Does anyone know how long the National Tea Co. store on the corner of 165th and Kennedy lasted. My guess is that it wasn't there too long after A & P opened the larger store just a couple blocks west on 165th.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
03-29-2007
( Reply#: 852 ) |
svea3 |
Was Hessville Cleaners related to Hopman Cleaners? Fred Hopman owned that. Hopman's daugher was one of the female chemical engineers graduated from Purdue. They lived in Woodmar... Knickerbocker. I believe. Tommy became a forest ranger.
Linda '60 OPMHS |
03-29-2007
( Reply#: 853 ) |
wvcogs |
Here's an interesting find that some of you may enjoy -- The Wachala Accordion Band!!! I just found this in some old stuff we brought back from my mother-in-law's home in Hessville when she passed away years ago. My guess is that it appeared in the Hessvillite in either June of 1953 or 1954. My wife is in the picture, but doesn't remember just how long she took lessons from Mr. Wachala.
Notice the 48 star flag on the wall in the background.
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Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
03-29-2007
( Reply#: 854 ) |
wvcogs |
Here are a few more things.
The hardware store Jerry mentioned just off 169th and Kennedy was Glombeck's at 6910 Kennedy Avenue according to an ad in the 1958 Top Hat yearbook.
One of the teachers, band director John Melton, founded the Hot Springs (Arkansas) Concert Band when he retired sometime in the early 1980s I believe. Ray Narug who graduated from Morton in 1956 now lives in Hot Springs and plays in that band.
My class of 1960 had our 45th reunion at Tiebel's a couple years ago. Coach Zlotnik's daughter, Marianne, was the chair of our reunion committee.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
03-29-2007
( Reply#: 855 ) |
seejay2 |
I believe the record store that Jerry referred to may have been Dildine's. Comay's in the Woodmar center used to let you listen to records, too. If you remember Glenda Benjamin from Morton who used to help Mr. Melton, she passed away about 7-8 years ago......CJ
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03-29-2007
( Reply#: 856 ) |
duane |
Now that you've said the names, I remember both Dildine's and Comay's. I think Comay's was a jewelry store that sold records as a sideline. They used to give away red buttons with white lettering that said "I am Loved." It seemed like everyone was wearing those buttons. Comay's used to advertise on WJOB, the local Hammond radio station. Jan Gabriel was the DJ who had Dedication Line that was on at night and he would play the top 40. Is WJOB still operating. Even back in the 60's and 70's they were mostl a talk radio show, with Irv Lewin and some other locally popular talk guy during the day. As Jan would say "let's draw another 45!!" |
03-29-2007
( Reply#: 857 ) |
svea3 |
There was a record store on Kennedy, I thought.. Judy Bogan and I spent hours there.... I remember buying "Shaboom". I still have that old 45 in its cover.
Saundra LaFoon [ also '60] was an accordian player. She invited me to her recital.. I never saw so many accordians in my life |
03-30-2007
( Reply#: 858 ) |
wvcogs |
That's too bad about Glenda Benjamin. She would have been only about 70 years old now. She was a member of Morton's first graduating class in 1954, went to Butler University and returned to teach in the music department at Morton in the fall of 1958.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
03-30-2007
( Reply#: 859 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
There was a record store on Kennedy, I thought.. Judy Bogan and I spent hours there.... I remember buying "Shaboom". I still have that old 45 in its cover.
Saundra LaFoon [ also '60] was an accordian player. She invited me to her recital.. I never saw so many accordians in my life
That would have been Luchene's. Part of one's weekly routine was to go there, get the WLS Silver Dollar Survey and then sift through the 45's.....CJ |
03-30-2007
( Reply#: 861 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by duane
Now that you've said the names, I remember both Dildine's and Comay's. I think Comay's was a jewelry store that sold records as a sideline. They used to give away red buttons with white lettering that said "I am Loved." It seemed like everyone was wearing those buttons. Comay's used to advertise on WJOB, the local Hammond radio station. Jan Gabriel was the DJ who had Dedication Line that was on at night and he would play the top 40. Is WJOB still operating. Even back in the 60's and 70's they were mostl a talk radio show, with Irv Lewin and some other locally popular talk guy during the day. As Jan would say "let's draw another 45!!"
WJOB has been around since the beginning of time. It never was a "Juke Box", there are enough of those around. The only problem is that they have recently shifted the whole format from the "mom & pop" news, weather and talk to a couple of women talking female problems and such. I don't even bother turning it on anymore. It's a real shame. I listen to WBBM which is more into the news and things, but it is more Chicago oriented. It still beats WJOB though. If WJOB goes back to what it was, then I will faithfully tune in again.
HEAR THAT YOU GUYS???.........CJ |
03-30-2007
( Reply#: 865 ) |
svea3 |
Thanks for telling me the name of the store. I lived in the 173rd land of Kennedy and only got there by visiting the library or on my way to "C" classes. Those I would walk with Karen Mueller to the Presbyterian Church.... now Covenant PC.
About the Films shown I remember seeing Frank Sinatra in heroine flick...GoldenArm?. I attended with Neal, my cousin,who was a blue baby. That condition is corrected now. He had a leaky heart valve and passed away when he was twelve. |
03-30-2007
( Reply#: 867 ) |
seejay2 |
I remember a Peggy, with your last name, from Morton who would be younger than you. Any relation?.....CJ |
03-30-2007
( Reply#: 869 ) |
eyebab |
Seejay2---
I do remember a Sugar Bowl restaurant and I have been wracking my brain to come up with an image or specific memory of the place. It was north of Luchene's(oops, there was no Luchene's at that time) and Dr. Rampker's office(now there's another topic!). I can't remember eating there but I seem to remember that the entrance was to the left and that that there were huge windows so you could easily see inside. That is the only memory I could come up with on the list you had. My mother died two years ago, and how I wish she were here now to respond to this internet site.
There was also a Wolf's restaurant north of the Ace theater, but the real fun places to eat were the soda fountains in Fiefield's and Janc's. Used to love to buy a 1/4 lb. of cashews at Janc because they were hot.
In 1948 I got my first job delivering the Hesvillite. I was in 4th grade at Porter Elementary. I had 300 papers to deliver on Friday afternoon and nite. Sometimes I had to go back on Saturday morning to finish up. My pay was one cent for every two papers delivered. I felt like the richest boy in town.
Let's everyone keep posting, even if you feel no one would care about your memory. I think we all do care.
jerry
jerry babitz |
03-30-2007
( Reply#: 870 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
There was a record store on Kennedy, I thought.. Judy Bogan and I spent hours there.... I remember buying "Shaboom". I still have that old 45 in its cover.
That would have been Luchene's. Part of one's weekly routine was to go there, get the WLS Silver Dollar Survey and then sift through the 45's.....CJ
As I mentioned on the Dick Biondi thread, I have 30 original WLS surveys (mostly 1962-1965) ... from "Wonderland by Night" through "Cherish" ... and I've made nice big scans of all of them. If you have a favorite song, artist, or date, just send me your address by Private Message, and I'll gladly e-mail it to you (or whatever I have that's closest) ... "Sealed with a Kiss", anyone? "Telstar"? "Go Away, Little Girl"? "Eight Days a Week"?
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
03-30-2007
( Reply#: 871 ) |
svea3 |
Johnson? or Harmon? We were related toTom Harmon who went to UM and his son Mark.MyUncle,Walter Harmon, was Treasurer in E Chicago in 1905. The Johnson's came in from Iowa. My grandmother Cecilia Harmon was a surgeon/medic in the Civil War. That side was direct from Sweden. I think our Swedish surname would have been Johansson, according to my Grandfather.
Dr Rampker.... My dad interviewed him to bring him to Hessville. He was a Korean War vet.You entered his office from the left. He gave me many a shot at my house. He was always concerned about me getting Scarlet Fever.
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03-30-2007
( Reply#: 873 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Johnson? or Harmon? We were related toTom Harmon who went to UM and his son Mark.MyUncle,Walter Harmon, was Treasurer in E Chicago in 1905. The Johnson's came in from Iowa. My grandmother Cecilia Harmon was a surgeon/medic in the Civil War. That side was direct from Sweden. I think our Swedish surname would have been Johansson, according to my Grandfather.
Dr Rampker.... My dad interviewed him to bring him to Hessville. He was a Korean War vet.You entered his office from the left. He gave me many a shot at my house. He was always concerned about me getting Scarlet Fever.
Harmon. Is that Rampker or Ramker? |
03-30-2007
( Reply#: 874 ) |
svea3 |
Ramker |
03-31-2007
( Reply#: 876 ) |
svea3 |
I remember that Dr Ramker had had a severe case of acne. Such a pit scars , you also don't see, nowadays. |
03-31-2007
( Reply#: 877 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
Seejay2---
I do remember a Sugar Bowl restaurant and I have been wracking my brain to come up with an image or specific memory of the place. It was north of Luchene's(oops, there was no Luchene's at that time) and Dr. Rampker's office(now there's another topic!). I can't remember eating there but I seem to remember that the entrance was to the left and that that there were huge windows so you could easily see inside. That is the only memory I could come up with on the list you had. My mother died two years ago, and how I wish she were here now to respond to this internet site.
There was also a Wolf's restaurant north of the Ace theater, but the real fun places to eat were the soda fountains in Fiefield's and Janc's. Used to love to buy a 1/4 lb. of cashews at Janc because they were hot.
In 1948 I got my first job delivering the Hesvillite. I was in 4th grade at Porter Elementary. I had 300 papers to deliver on Friday afternoon and nite. Sometimes I had to go back on Saturday morning to finish up. My pay was one cent for every two papers delivered. I felt like the richest boy in town.
Let's everyone keep posting, even if you feel no one would care about your memory. I think we all do care.
jerry
jerry babitz
Oh my God, Jerry, I had forgotten all about the Hessvillite! Do you remember when that great local newspaper started? I'm sure someone has kept archives of it somewhere. Yes, a penny sure held a whole lot more worth then than is does now.......CJ
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03-31-2007
( Reply#: 878 ) |
wvcogs |
CJ,
I have heard that Madge Sheline, the editor, publisher, writer, etc., gave copies of all editions of the Hessvillite to the Little Red Schoolhouse; but they did not have room for them so they sent them to the main library on State Street a few years back.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
03-31-2007
( Reply#: 879 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
Seejay2---
I do remember a Sugar Bowl restaurant and I have been wracking my brain to come up with an image or specific memory of the place. It was north of Luchene's(oops, there was no Luchene's at that time) and Dr. Rampker's office(now there's another topic!). I can't remember eating there but I seem to remember that the entrance was to the left and that that there were huge windows so you could easily see inside. That is the only memory I could come up with on the list you had. My mother died two years ago, and how I wish she were here now to respond to this internet site.
There was also a Wolf's restaurant north of the Ace theater, but the real fun places to eat were the soda fountains in Fiefield's and Janc's. Used to love to buy a 1/4 lb. of cashews at Janc because they were hot.
In 1948 I got my first job delivering the Hesvillite. I was in 4th grade at Porter Elementary. I had 300 papers to deliver on Friday afternoon and nite. Sometimes I had to go back on Saturday morning to finish up. My pay was one cent for every two papers delivered. I felt like the richest boy in town.
Let's everyone keep posting, even if you feel no one would care about your memory. I think we all do care.
jerry
jerry babitz
Here are a few photos, Jerry.
The first one would be at the 6431 Kennedy address, The Soda Shop in 1950 or I am told it may have been called Rainbow then with a neon sign depicting a rainbow.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/SodaPump2.jpg[/IMG]
This one I think may be inside of Sugar Bowl at 6813 Kennedy.Do you recognize any faces or places yet?
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Sodashopfriend.jpg[/IMG]
Here is another Sugar Bowl from a different angle.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/sodashopfriend3.jpg[/IMG]
Let me know if one reaches out and grabs you......CJ
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03-31-2007
( Reply#: 880 ) |
svea3 |
Pix #2 girl on right is familiar,but no name yet.
[8D]I live now close to a town called Wyandotte,MI,which started at the same vintage of Hessville, Hammond. Not only that, but there is a section which has a refinery just like Whiting. We produce Marathon. |
03-31-2007
( Reply#: 882 ) |
j-g |
You Hessvillites-emeritus sure posted a lot since I last checked in! [:D]
A few Hammond items for you, and replies:
My 5th grader shares a class with Dr. Ramker's granddaughter, albeit it in south Hammond, not quite Hessville [:D]
Note to Tom J and other Hammond High '67 grads:
40th reunion coming up-- PM me or e-mail - Art Peschke wants to invite you.
Think Hammond! [;)]
¡¡¡ Jess ¡¡¡ |
04-01-2007
( Reply#: 883 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Pix #2 girl on right is familiar,but no name yet.
[8D]I live now close to a town called Wyandotte,MI,which started at the same vintage of Hessville, Hammond. Not only that, but there is a section which has a refinery just like Whiting. We produce Marathon.
The girl on the rightwas ID'd as Violette Lipke from somewhere in Hessville.....CJ |
04-01-2007
( Reply#: 884 ) |
eyebab |
Anyone remember the shoe department at Goldblatts when they had an x-ray machine? It was a contraption where you stuck your feet in and looked in a viewing box and you could actually see the bones of your feet and how well your shoe fit in relationship to your foot bones. There was no concern for safety and you could do it for as many pair of shoes you tried on.
Its a wonder the population of Hammond didn't dwindle away from everyone becoming sterile.
jerry babitz |
04-01-2007
( Reply#: 885 ) |
seejay2 |
Yes!! I remember that thing! I thought that was the coolest thing since Santa dropped down the chimney. I could actually see through my shoes and see moving bones as I wiggled my toes. I tried to figure out how I could stick my hand in it and look through that visor at the same time. Can't do it. I went to that thing every chance I had. Subsequently I now have only smoldering, glow-in-the-dark bones where my feet used to be. Don't forget that guy who used to sit like a mummy in the elevator and crank that big round handle around to get you from floor to floor.......CJ |
04-01-2007
( Reply#: 886 ) |
svea3 |
Lipke is right! |
04-01-2007
( Reply#: 887 ) |
svea3 |
Thom McAnnon Indianapolis BLVD had it also. I remember taking my Grandmother [ the Lohse one]for her 50th Wedding Anniversary shoes. We had her fitted in a size 8 with the machine and everything. My mom and I looked at some bedroom slippers and then we left. WELL when we got home she had exchanged the 8 for a 5 1/2, 'cause she thought real ladies had small feet. My dad thought the two of us were really incompetent. But, we were dealing with a woman who was born in 1880 & that new fang-dangeled machine didn't know what size she wore, after all! |
04-03-2007
( Reply#: 895 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by j-g
You Hessvillites-emeritus sure posted a lot since I last checked in! [:D]
A few Hammond items for you, and replies:
My 5th grader shares a class with Dr. Ramker's granddaughter, albeit it in south Hammond, not quite Hessville [:D]
Note to Tom J and other Hammond High '67 grads:
40th reunion coming up-- PM me or e-mail - Art Peschke wants to invite you.
Think Hammond! [;)]
¡¡¡ Jess ¡¡¡
Jess:
Thanks for the tip about the reunion, but as it so happens, I am one of the organizers. Please continue to help us spread the word, since we still have classmates whom we have not located and have not been able to inform.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-03-2007
( Reply#: 896 ) |
wvcogs |
If you haven't seen them yet, check out these issues of Flashback-Newsletter of the Hammond Historical Society at [url]http://www.hammondindiana.com/society_page.html [/url]. To access the issues you will need Adobe Acrobat Reader. The November 2003 issue has an article about the production of "A Christmas Story," and the November 2002 issue has a feature story about the Orpheum Theatre in downtown Hammond including a photo.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-03-2007
( Reply#: 897 ) |
Jim |
Yes, my feet are still glowing !! For those who have never been zapped by the 10-15 RADS of x-rays for each exposure, here it is:
[img=left]http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/002/77/9F/3D/67/ooq5oMUoxPWNYD2WGqFIWi5ATL3Ayh8401DE.jpg[/img=left]
[img=right]http://shutter03.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/008/7F/7E/C0/4D/GPhYEmnxagOSgXql0VnQwiO1G8bybJ3C015E.jpg[/img=right]
In 1946, the American Standards Association established a “safe standard or tolerance dose,” that the feet receive no more than 2 R per 5 second exposure. Children were not to receive more than 12 such exposures in a single year. |
04-03-2007
( Reply#: 901 ) |
duane |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
If you haven't seen them yet, check out these issues of Flashback-Newsletter of the Hammond Historical Society at [url]http://www.hammondindiana.com/society_page.html [/url]. To access the issues you will need Adobe Acrobat Reader. The November 2003 issue has an article about the production of "A Christmas Story," and the November 2002 issue has a feature story about the Orpheum Theatre in downtown Hammond including a photo.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
|
04-03-2007
( Reply#: 902 ) |
duane |
Ken: First of all, sorry for duplicating your message - I was trying to reply.
More importantly, thank you SO much for listing that link to the historical newsletters about Hammond. So much info and so many great memories - The Parthenon, Wolf Lake, the South Shore Line, Goldblatt's clock, and on and on. All bringing back memories of my childhood. I was from EC, but with my mom as a youngster, we would ride the bus to shop the REAL downtown. And then later, as a teenager many of us would go to the movies as a group or on dates. My then girlfriend lived just south of downtown off of Hohman Ave on some circle side street that went to the west not far from the Cadillac dealership.
I will spend more time reading through those great articles. Thanks again. |
04-04-2007
( Reply#: 904 ) |
wvcogs |
Duane,
How does Glendale Blvd. sound for where your girlfriend lived? I think that was the circle across Hohman near where Knoerzer Cadillac was located.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-04-2007
( Reply#: 905 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim
Yes, my feet are still glowing !! For those who have never been zapped by the 10-15 RADS of x-rays for each exposure, here it is:
[img=left]http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/002/77/9F/3D/67/ooq5oMUoxPWNYD2WGqFIWi5ATL3Ayh8401DE.jpg[/img=left]
[img=right]http://shutter03.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/008/7F/7E/C0/4D/GPhYEmnxagOSgXql0VnQwiO1G8bybJ3C015E.jpg[/img=right]
In 1946, the American Standards Association established a “safe standard or tolerance dose,” that the feet receive no more than 2 R per 5 second exposure. Children were not to receive more than 12 such exposures in a single year.
5 gold stars for you, Jim! I had a pretty faded memory of what those things had looked like. Now I'm back up to speed. They look like they could double as a Flash Gordon bombsight....CJ |
04-04-2007
( Reply#: 906 ) |
Jim |
Yes, I was fascinated seeing my toes wiggle in the shoes. The maximum dose was supposed to be NMT 2 Rads/5 sec exposure. Most fittings took about 30-35 seconds per pair of shoes tried. If the 1st pair wasn't right, you simply tried a second for another 14 Rads. Let's see that's 28 total so far. No, I think the first pair fit better, let's look at those again (Total = 42 Rads). And, then Jim says, "Can I see it again?" (Total = 56 Rads) Thankfully, other vital organs received a little less. I was really excited when my feet were growing fast and I could do it again in 6 months.
Check out 2 good sites for additional information:
Shoe-Fitting Fluoroscope
[url]http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/shoefittingfluor/shoe.htm[/url]
and,
"Were those old shoe store fluoroscopes a health hazard?"
[url]http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_414a.html[/url] |
04-04-2007
( Reply#: 907 ) |
duane |
Ken - Yep. Glendale blvd - that's the place. I never would have remembered, but once you said it, the link is reformed in my aging memory.
Thanks again for the great newsletters. I'm going back to do more reading and reminiscing. -D |
04-04-2007
( Reply#: 908 ) |
svea3 |
WOW What a find. Thanks for locating the information. Oh our naïveté. |
04-05-2007
( Reply#: 912 ) |
wvcogs |
Duane -- Don't give me credit for a great memory achievement. Google maps provided the answer since Glendale is the only circle drive in that part of Hammond.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-05-2007
( Reply#: 914 ) |
svea3 |
The WOW was for finding the shoe machine. It is an interesting object for those not alive at the time. It looks like a contraption of the 1800's
Linda |
04-05-2007
( Reply#: 915 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Duane -- Don't give me credit for a great memory achievement. Google maps provided the answer since Glendale is the only circle drive in that part of Hammond.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
Don't beat up on yourselves for the memory loss, guys. It was those X-ray machines that have robbed us of our memory. Another Godless communist plot!!..........CJ |
04-05-2007
( Reply#: 916 ) |
Pro2am |
Linda,
If we're talking about the same doctor, it was Ramker. They lived on the east side of Arizona Ave. - right across the street from the OLPH convent - where I attended grade school with his son Richard (we graduated in 1963).
An interesting aside: In Sept. 1963 I was out one late afternoon riding my brand new 3-speed bike. I came around the back of OLPH, down the ramp next to the boiler room and in to the school's parking lot where I was immeiately head-on'd by a car. Knocked me out cold; also broke a collar bone. I was told later that while I was unconscious Dr. Ramker was contacted. He hurried across the street and, among other things, re-set my collar bone. All I can say is thank God I was out when he did it. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
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quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Johnson? or Harmon? We were related toTom Harmon who went to UM and his son Mark.MyUncle,Walter Harmon, was Treasurer in E Chicago in 1905. The Johnson's came in from Iowa. My grandmother Cecilia Harmon was a surgeon/medic in the Civil War. That side was direct from Sweden. I think our Swedish surname would have been Johansson, according to my Grandfather.
Dr Rampker.... My dad interviewed him to bring him to Hessville. He was a Korean War vet.You entered his office from the left. He gave me many a shot at my house. He was always concerned about me getting Scarlet Fever.
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04-05-2007
( Reply#: 917 ) |
Pro2am |
Tom,
I've got a good one for you. In the 1960s (and perhaps '70s) there was another record store across the street from Millikan's. I used to buy records there around 1964-65. Do you remember it? I can't recall the name.
Also, does anyone remember Gregory's, the grocery store on the northwest corner of Kennedy and 173rd? :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
In the 50's I remember 2 stores on the west side of Kennedy, down by Morton, called "The Emporium" and "Whitakers." Whitakers was a small grocery run by two old maid sisters while the Emporium was a small variety shop where I remember buying 33 stamps for 99 cents. Also remember a hardware store right off the SW corner of Kennedy and 169th. Down from there was a plumbing Co.where the Dedelow(oldest son became mayor of Hammond)family lived upstairs.
Used to take a bus to downtown Hammond and get off at Woolworths and head over to Goldblatts and go down in the basement and get two steamed hot dogs(buns steamed too) and a coke...all for a quarter. Upstairs on the 2nd floor they had a shoe repair where you would sit in an open booth in your stocking feet while your shoes were resoled.
Also on State Street there was a place which sold 78 rpm records and they had booths with phonographs where you could listen to the latest record before buying(or more likely for me,just listen to your favorite record without buying.)
One subject I haven't seen broached is teachers. At Morton High Albert Clark was the principle. 9th hour dicipinarian was named Ruff and he taught Latin. Miss Virden taught English. Mr. Flansburg taught algebra. Maury Zlotnik was the football coach. Other names: Chidester, Hand, Groves, Melton.
Hammond and esp. Hessville in the late 40's and 50's was a perfect place for growing up. I know change always comes and you can't live in the past, but I sure cherish those childhood memories.
jerry
Jerry:
My era was more the decades of the 50's and 60's, since I was born in 1949, but I agree that they were wonderful times and that Hammond was a fantastic place to grow up back then.
I was not from the Hessville section of Hammond, but I was not far from that area. I grew up on Woodward Avenue, which is only one block long and runs parallel to Calumet Avenue and two blocks east of it, from 165th Street on the southern end to Cleveland Street on the northern end.
The store on State Street that let you listen to records was Milliken's and was across the street from Minas's.
We sure had one great little downtown, didn't we? I've got an essay in here somewhere about Downtown Hammond that you might enjoy reading.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
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04-05-2007
( Reply#: 919 ) |
Pro2am |
Chris,
Hello. Just out of curiosity I'd interested in where you obtained the ID for Violette Lipke.
The reason I ask is - well, here's the story. I spent 3rd through 8th grade at OLPH school in Hessville. In 8th grade (1962-63) a new student was one of my classmates. His name was Ed Lipke. His family had just moved to Hessville from East Chicago. Ed and I became best buddies, a friendship that spanned several years. I'm assuming that Violette was a family relation. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Pix #2 girl on right is familiar,but no name yet.
[8D]I live now close to a town called Wyandotte,MI,which started at the same vintage of Hessville, Hammond. Not only that, but there is a section which has a refinery just like Whiting. We produce Marathon.
The girl on the rightwas ID'd as Violette Lipke from somewhere in Hessville.....CJ
|
04-06-2007
( Reply#: 933 ) |
hhs59 |
Good morning everyone...
We have a growing website at www.hhs59.com that you may enjoy visiting. Be sure you have a lot of time because there is a lot of information about growing up in Hammond, Indiana during the 50's and the fun we had. Even the recipe for Maid-Rite Hamburgers is buried on the LUNCH page, places we used to eat as kids.
I am adding 1932 copies of The Calumet Herald in a new web page on "Historical Documents". You may view and/or download them in .pdf format. Very clear and in good detail.
Let me know if you, or anyone, has information to add; pictures, class photos, links, etc. and I will be glad to post them.
We are avid fans of Jean Shepherd and have some good photos of his Harding School...
Enjoy! |
04-06-2007
( Reply#: 972 ) |
svea3 |
TO:Mike Rapchak Jr.
Gregory's Super Market was one of my dad's rentals. I lived ontop of the store and it was my dog LISA, white German Shepherd, who was impounded all the time, because of jumping and snipping the boys who would throw rocks at her. LISA was the daughter of Topper and Boots , the store's guard dogs. We used to feed LISA 5lbs of horsemeat a day. Spiro used to run a small vegetable/flower market in more downtown Hammond, before that. Any other questions?. [8D]
My family comes from Hessville in the 1840's. Gavin and Caldwell were friends of my dad. My great grandfather gave the property for the Caldwell School.
I was also friends with George Hammond's great grand daughter. She and I taught together.
Linda OPMHS '60 |
04-06-2007
( Reply#: 980 ) |
seejay2 |
[quote]Originally posted by Pro2am
Chris,
Hello. Just out of curiosity I'd interested in where you obtained the ID for Violette Lipke.
The reason I ask is - well, here's the story. I spent 3rd through 8th grade at OLPH school in Hessville. In 8th grade (1962-63) a new student was one of my classmates. His name was Ed Lipke. His family had just moved to Hessville from East Chicago. Ed and I became best buddies, a friendship that spanned several years. I'm assuming that Violette was a family relation. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
Hi Mike,
Believe it or not, you and I shared a class at OLPH as well. I can't remember which one, but I started at St. Catherine of Sienna when it opened I think with the 5th, maybe 6th grade. It could have been the 4th grade maybe with a Miss Brinzo? I'm not sure if she's the one.
Ed Lipke would be a nephew of Violette Lipke. Ed still lives in Hessville. In fact he was part of my graduating class from Morton in 67......CJ |
04-06-2007
( Reply#: 1072 ) |
seejay2 |
[quote]Originally posted by Pro2am
Chris,
Hello. Just out of curiosity I'd interested in where you obtained the ID for Violette Lipke.
The reason I ask is - well, here's the story. I spent 3rd through 8th grade at OLPH school in Hessville. In 8th grade (1962-63) a new student was one of my classmates. His name was Ed Lipke. His family had just moved to Hessville from East Chicago. Ed and I became best buddies, a friendship that spanned several years. I'm assuming that Violette was a family relation. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
Hi Mike,
Believe it or not, you and I shared a class at OLPH as well. I can't remember which one, but I started at St. Catherine of Sienna when it opened I think with the 5th, maybe 6th grade. I could have been with you in the 4th grade maybe with a Miss Brinzo? I'm not sure if she's the one.
Ed Lipke would be a nephew of Violette Lipke. Ed still lives in Hessville. In fact he was part of my graduating class from Morton in 67......CJ
|
04-07-2007
( Reply#: 1111 ) |
wvcogs |
Hey guys -- I didn't attend OLPH, but do have a couple memories of the place in the late 1950s. There was the fund raising carnival in the parking lot behind the school every summer that everyone attended. And something that we definitely wouldn't see in the public schools these days -- We had a short club period at Morton each week, I believe for 35 minutes or so on Tuesday mornings. During that time, the Catholic students were permitted to go over to OLPH for some form of religious training. Did that carry over to the 60s?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-07-2007
( Reply#: 1114 ) |
seejay2 |
OK antique experts! Help settle an argument. In this 1950 picture of "The Sugar Bowl" in Hessville, is that thing in back, to the left of the blond, a door or an old wooden phone booth?.......CJ
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Sodashopfriend.jpg[/IMG] |
04-07-2007
( Reply#: 1115 ) |
Pro2am |
Linda,
Many thanks for the wonderful information. I'm trying to remember all the dogs! :) I do recall applying for a job there (stock boy?) in the mid-1960s. For some reason it never manifested.
Also very interestng about the Caldwell School property. Although no one in my family ever went there, it was always a staple in our daily lives when we lived in Hessville. My best friend Ed Lipke (see the Violette Lipke thread) lived just south of the shcool - at 7340 Delaware Ave. Also, my oldest son played a lot of little league baseball there during the 1980s.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
-----------------------------------
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
TO:Mike Rapchak Jr.
Gregory's Super Market was one of my dad's rentals. I lived ontop of the store and it was my dog LISA, white German Shepherd, who was impounded all the time, because of jumping and snipping the boys who would throw rocks at her. LISA was the daughter of Topper and Boots , the store's guard dogs. We used to feed LISA 5lbs of horsemeat a day. Spiro used to run a small vegetable/flower market in more downtown Hammond, before that. Any other questions?. [8D]
My family comes from Hessville in the 1840's. Gavin and Caldwell were friends of my dad. My great grandfather gave the property for the Caldwell School.
I was also friends with George Hammond's great grand daughter. She and I taught together.
Linda OPMHS '60
|
04-07-2007
( Reply#: 1116 ) |
Pro2am |
Ken,
I'm not sure about the religious-training part, but I know that the carnivals (called OLPH "Festivals") continued well into the 1960s. They were held at the end of August, just before the new school year began. I think the last one I attended was in 1963, right before I started high school. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
---------------------------
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Hey guys -- I didn't attend OLPH, but do have a couple memories of the place in the late 1950s. There was the fund raising carnival in the parking lot behind the school every summer that everyone attended. And something that we definitely wouldn't see in the public schools these days -- We had a short club period at Morton each week, I believe for 35 minutes or so on Tuesday mornings. During that time, the Catholic students were permitted to go over to OLPH for some form of religious training. Did that carry over to the 60s?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
|
04-07-2007
( Reply#: 1117 ) |
Pro2am |
Chris,
Do you know Ed? What a small world. I haven't been in touch with him for a few years. AFAIK he was living on Cleveland St.; don't know if he's still at that adress.
And you went to OLPH, too? Wow. Yes, I remember Miss/Mrs. Brinzo! She was my 3rd grade teacher - my fist year at OLPH (1957-58). Were we in the same classes together? Do you remember a kid named Terry Parris? How many years were you at OLPH? Did you graduate from there? Did you by any chance go to Bishop Noll? Sorry for the 3rd degree, and I may be mistaken, but man, your name sure sounds familiar. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
------------------------------
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
[quote]Originally posted by Pro2am
Chris,
Hello. Just out of curiosity I'd interested in where you obtained the ID for Violette Lipke.
The reason I ask is - well, here's the story. I spent 3rd through 8th grade at OLPH school in Hessville. In 8th grade (1962-63) a new student was one of my classmates. His name was Ed Lipke. His family had just moved to Hessville from East Chicago. Ed and I became best buddies, a friendship that spanned several years. I'm assuming that Violette was a family relation. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
Hi Mike,
Believe it or not, you and I shared a class at OLPH as well. I can't remember which one, but I started at St. Catherine of Sienna when it opened I think with the 5th, maybe 6th grade. It could have been the 4th grade maybe with a Miss Brinzo? I'm not sure if she's the one.
Ed Lipke would be a nephew of Violette Lipke. Ed still lives in Hessville. In fact he was part of my graduating class from Morton in 67......CJ
|
04-07-2007
( Reply#: 1118 ) |
wvcogs |
Hey CJ... I'm not an antique expert, but that sure looks like the back door to me. As far as I can remember, the phone booths from that era all had the glass bi-fold doors.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-07-2007
( Reply#: 1121 ) |
Pro2am |
Chris,
As far as I can tell it's a door. I don't know if it's a back door or one to a side room (and it's open in this photo). :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
--------------------------------
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
OK antique experts! Help settle an argument. In this 1950 picture of "The Sugar Bowl" in Hessville, is that thing in back, to the left of the blond, a door or an old wooden phone booth?.......CJ
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Sodashopfriend.jpg[/IMG]
|
04-07-2007
( Reply#: 1122 ) |
Tom J |
Mike:
Where was Comay's Jewelers? I think they were on Hohman, so that wouldn't be the place you are talking about. Comay's let people listen to records, I believe. Comay's had a store in Woodmar Shopping Center, I think, in addition to the downtown store.
Tom
quote:
Originally posted by Pro2am
Tom,
I've got a good one for you. In the 1960s (and perhaps '70s) there was another record store across the street from Millikan's. I used to buy records there around 1964-65. Do you remember it? I can't recall the name.
Also, does anyone remember Gregory's, the grocery store on the northwest corner of Kennedy and 173rd? :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
---------------------------------
quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
In the 50's I remember 2 stores on the west side of Kennedy, down by Morton, called "The Emporium" and "Whitakers." Whitakers was a small grocery run by two old maid sisters while the Emporium was a small variety shop where I remember buying 33 stamps for 99 cents. Also remember a hardware store right off the SW corner of Kennedy and 169th. Down from there was a plumbing Co.where the Dedelow(oldest son became mayor of Hammond)family lived upstairs.
Used to take a bus to downtown Hammond and get off at Woolworths and head over to Goldblatts and go down in the basement and get two steamed hot dogs(buns steamed too) and a coke...all for a quarter. Upstairs on the 2nd floor they had a shoe repair where you would sit in an open booth in your stocking feet while your shoes were resoled.
Also on State Street there was a place which sold 78 rpm records and they had booths with phonographs where you could listen to the latest record before buying(or more likely for me,just listen to your favorite record without buying.)
One subject I haven't seen broached is teachers. At Morton High Albert Clark was the principle. 9th hour dicipinarian was named Ruff and he taught Latin. Miss Virden taught English. Mr. Flansburg taught algebra. Maury Zlotnik was the football coach. Other names: Chidester, Hand, Groves, Melton.
Hammond and esp. Hessville in the late 40's and 50's was a perfect place for growing up. I know change always comes and you can't live in the past, but I sure cherish those childhood memories.
jerry
Jerry:
My era was more the decades of the 50's and 60's, since I was born in 1949, but I agree that they were wonderful times and that Hammond was a fantastic place to grow up back then.
I was not from the Hessville section of Hammond, but I was not far from that area. I grew up on Woodward Avenue, which is only one block long and runs parallel to Calumet Avenue and two blocks east of it, from 165th Street on the southern end to Cleveland Street on the northern end.
The store on State Street that let you listen to records was Milliken's and was across the street from Minas's.
We sure had one great little downtown, didn't we? I've got an essay in here somewhere about Downtown Hammond that you might enjoy reading.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-08-2007
( Reply#: 1124 ) |
Pro2am |
Tom,
I don't think the store I'm taling about was Comay's. It seems that it was a rather obscure little place, the name of which I can't recall. But I could be mistaken (i.e., it may have been a name that would be instantly recognizable). :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Mike:
Where was Comay's Jewelers? I think they were on Hohman, so that wouldn't be the place you are talking about. Comay's let people listen to records, I believe. Comay's had a store in Woodmar Shopping Center, I think, in addition to the downtown store.
Tom
quote:
Originally posted by Pro2am
Tom,
I've got a good one for you. In the 1960s (and perhaps '70s) there was another record store across the street from Millikan's. I used to buy records there around 1964-65. Do you remember it? I can't recall the name.
Also, does anyone remember Gregory's, the grocery store on the northwest corner of Kennedy and 173rd? :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
In the 50's I remember 2 stores on the west side of Kennedy, down by Morton, called "The Emporium" and "Whitakers." Whitakers was a small grocery run by two old maid sisters while the Emporium was a small variety shop where I remember buying 33 stamps for 99 cents. Also remember a hardware store right off the SW corner of Kennedy and 169th. Down from there was a plumbing Co.where the Dedelow(oldest son became mayor of Hammond)family lived upstairs.
Used to take a bus to downtown Hammond and get off at Woolworths and head over to Goldblatts and go down in the basement and get two steamed hot dogs(buns steamed too) and a coke...all for a quarter. Upstairs on the 2nd floor they had a shoe repair where you would sit in an open booth in your stocking feet while your shoes were resoled.
Also on State Street there was a place which sold 78 rpm records and they had booths with phonographs where you could listen to the latest record before buying(or more likely for me,just listen to your favorite record without buying.)
One subject I haven't seen broached is teachers. At Morton High Albert Clark was the principle. 9th hour dicipinarian was named Ruff and he taught Latin. Miss Virden taught English. Mr. Flansburg taught algebra. Maury Zlotnik was the football coach. Other names: Chidester, Hand, Groves, Melton.
Hammond and esp. Hessville in the late 40's and 50's was a perfect place for growing up. I know change always comes and you can't live in the past, but I sure cherish those childhood memories.
jerry
Jerry:
My era was more the decades of the 50's and 60's, since I was born in 1949, but I agree that they were wonderful times and that Hammond was a fantastic place to grow up back then.
I was not from the Hessville section of Hammond, but I was not far from that area. I grew up on Woodward Avenue, which is only one block long and runs parallel to Calumet Avenue and two blocks east of it, from 165th Street on the southern end to Cleveland Street on the northern end.
The store on State Street that let you listen to records was Milliken's and was across the street from Minas's.
We sure had one great little downtown, didn't we? I've got an essay in here somewhere about Downtown Hammond that you might enjoy reading.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
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04-08-2007
( Reply#: 1126 ) |
Jim |
It does look somewhat like a door. But, look at the object sitting on top. Also, the bottom is not straight down to the floor. It is slightly recessed similar to the bottom of wooden phone booths. And, there is a sloped counter on the left with 2 phone books.
The vote is now: door = 1
phonebooth = 1 |
04-08-2007
( Reply#: 1127 ) |
seejay2 |
Thank you Jim!
I've had this pic for a couple of months now and just assumed that the top of the "door" was a perspective angle from being open, but I'm sure that it's a wooden enclosed booth. Like you say, the bottom is straight across, not angled like the top as would be consistant with an open door; and there's the phone books on the wooden tray on the side. I don't know if you are from NWI or not, but they used to have one like it in Porter's Tap back in the 60's. The thing on top of the booth looks like a Coke display featuring a girl in a sailor cap and jersey.....CJ |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1128 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Hey CJ... I'm not an antique expert, but that sure looks like the back door to me. As far as I can remember, the phone booths from that era all had the glass bi-fold doors.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
I believe we are looking at the side of it. If you look closely just barely to the right of the edge of it, you can make out the doors. Also notice the wall tiles in back. The ones to the left are bigger than the ones to the right suggesting that the right side of the room is further back than the left side. Just guessing, I would say the difference is about the width of an old phonebooth. Enhance with your Photoshop, K!......CJ
Phone booth 2
Door....... 2 |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1129 ) |
wvcogs |
CJ... I'm convinced! I did notice the wall tiles earlier. Also, here is a phone booth I just found on eBay. It looks like the same thing. Ken...
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1130 ) |
seejay2 |
Thank you. You want something to do, K? I'm trying to find a photo of that Coke or Pepsi display on top of the booth. I have come across a million of them, but not that one. I would say it is circa 49-50..........CJ
Phonebooth 3
Door...... 1 |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1131 ) |
wvcogs |
CJ... I'll see what I can do. The sign appears to be a picture of a soda fountain waitress wearing a cap who is serving a Coke in a glass from a dispenser like the one in this poster. What do you think? Ken...
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Coke_Sign.jpg[/img]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1132 ) |
seejay2 |
Every time I look at that thing I see something different. Your concept seems to take shape. I was seeing a girl in a sailor outfit by a cooler for a while. I must have gone through 20 million different Coke, Ebay and whomever else renditions of it, but not "IT".........CJ |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1133 ) |
Jim |
Yes, I am a 'region' graduate - Harding and Morton, but left Hammond before being eligible to visit Porter's. Here is another photo with the side shelf for phone books.
[img]http://shutter03.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/08/002/35/FF/5C/15/w7TFBTieG6vBYIxm1DXAdHXZ1yky38eS01B2.jpg[/img] |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1134 ) |
seejay2 |
The one they had in Porter's had a way of hanging up if you closed it all the way. Unless you knew the "secret", you became locked in there forever---or at least until someone stopped laughing long enough to open it for you. I wonder if it is at all possible that the one from Porter's came from the "Sugar Bowl" when it closed up......CJ |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1135 ) |
wvcogs |
CJ... I don't remember Porter's. Where was it located?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1136 ) |
Jim |
Ken,
Porter's Tap was and still is located at 6405 Kennedy Avenue. |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1137 ) |
wvcogs |
Jim,
Thanks. My list shows that in the 1950s 6405 Kennedy was Darnell's Food Shop (1956 Top Hat ad). Do you have any idea when it became Porter's?
The only bars I remember in that neighborhood are Flick's and Toomey's in the block between 164th Place and 165th Street. My girlfriend, now my wife of almost 44 years, lived just a couple blocks from there on Kenwood, and I walked her home from MHS many days on Kennedy past those businesses from 1957-59.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1138 ) |
seejay2 |
Porter(I think his name was Ed)acquired it some time in the 60's. By the way "Jim", the way things worked back then with Porter's, to become 'eligible', all that was required of you was to be old enough to walk.....CJ |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1139 ) |
svea3 |
You guys, my dad said that was true of Hessville all the back to the 20's when he was served as a 12 year old!
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04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1140 ) |
svea3 |
By the way Clark was just mentioned on O'[:0]Reilly as being killed by an "illegal alien immigrant"! |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1141 ) |
seejay2 |
12 years old! He should have been working in the mills already.
Clark was in a vehicular accident involving yet another drunk illegal immigrant.....CJ |
04-09-2007
( Reply#: 1142 ) |
svea3 |
My Father never worked in the mills, graduating from HS when he was15. Liquor was just free and easy in the roaring 20's. |
04-10-2007
( Reply#: 1145 ) |
seejay2 |
It wasn't so scarce in the 60's, either........CJ |
04-10-2007
( Reply#: 1146 ) |
seejay2 |
Have you been gone a long time? Have you wondered what is there now?
This is what used to be the 5 & 10---now it is thin air!
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/510Lot2.jpg[/IMG]
This used to be Janc, You figure the rest.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/JancCorner2.jpg[/IMG]
Ya wanna see more?............CJ |
04-10-2007
( Reply#: 1148 ) |
Pro2am |
Nice photos, Chris. BTW, Janc's became Hutsler's (correct spelling) Restaurant somewhere around 1972. Nothing to write home about; I don't think it was even air-conditioned (I recall frequenting the place during the lousy-hot Summer of 1973). Sometime during the ensuing decade - perhaps the late 1970s - it became the Hessville Family Restaurant.
Also, Sip & Bite is now called the Kennedy Cafe.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Have you been gone a long time? Have you wondered what is there now?
This is what used to be the 5 & 10---now it is thin air!
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/510Lot2.jpg[/IMG]
This used to be Janc, You figure the rest.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/JancCorner2.jpg[/IMG]
Ya wanna see more?............CJ
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04-10-2007
( Reply#: 1149 ) |
Jim |
OK, OK, I'm busted. I have never been in a bar in Hessville and never knew I was even allowed in them. I don’t deserve to be called a “Region Rat”. There, I feel much better now. About the closest I ever got to a bar in my 20 years in Hessville was walking by Toomey’s on the way to Morton. But, I did enjoy their carryout fish dinners. As I remember we had either smelt or lake perch about once every other month on Fridays. That is, until the mercury levels got too high! These were my 2nd favorite carry-outs next to Hot Dog John’s.
During the early to mid 60’s my high school chemistry teacher Howard Besch lived in the apartment above Porter’s on the second floor in the back. Even though I visited there several times, I never went into the bar. I guess I will never know what I missed.
I may not be a Region Rat anymore, but I will always remain a “Mighty, Mighty Governor !!!!
Jim |
04-11-2007
( Reply#: 1150 ) |
duane |
Although I never knew about the Sip and Bite, I've had a long history with the Kennedy Cafe. This may be sacriledge, but perhaps not all changes (like the conversion of the Kennedy Cafe from the Sip and Bite)are for the worse. I moved away from the Region in 1978, and at some point after that, when I returned to visit the folks, they would always take me to Kennedy Cafe for lunch. The Cafe was run by a very nice Greek man and his wife. Their meals were very good, lots of variety, VERY reasonable prices and to top it off, you always got a dessert included in your meal for no extra charge. During the late 1990's my dad became ill, but would still go to the Cafe when I came to visit. About 6 years ago, he died and my mom died a few years after that. When I've been back, I've gone to the Kennedy, and that nice Greek couple still remembers my folks and talks to me about them. These are the kinds of people and memories that you won't get at a Perkins, McDonalds, or any chain restaraunt. So, while I realize that the Kennedy Cafe may not harken back to the golden days of our youth, it still holds fond memories for me. And thanks for the great pics of Hessville. |
04-11-2007
( Reply#: 1154 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim
OK, OK, I'm busted. I have never been in a bar in Hessville and never knew I was even allowed in them. I don’t deserve to be called a “Region Rat”. There, I feel much better now. About the closest I ever got to a bar in my 20 years in Hessville was walking by Toomey’s on the way to Morton. But, I did enjoy their carryout fish dinners. As I remember we had either smelt or lake perch about once every other month on Fridays. That is, until the mercury levels got too high! These were my 2nd favorite carry-outs next to Hot Dog John’s.
During the early to mid 60’s my high school chemistry teacher Howard Besch lived in the apartment above Porter’s on the second floor in the back. Even though I visited there several times, I never went into the bar. I guess I will never know what I missed.
I may not be a Region Rat anymore, but I will always remain a “Mighty, Mighty Governor !!!!
Jim
Sorry Pal! Once a Region Rat, always a Region Rat. It is now a matter of 'Active' or 'Retired' status. Being a "Mighty, Mighty Governor" will earn you an extra stripe though........CJ |
04-11-2007
( Reply#: 1156 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by duane
Although I never knew about the Sip and Bite, I've had a long history with the Kennedy Cafe. This may be sacriledge, but perhaps not all changes (like the conversion of the Kennedy Cafe from the Sip and Bite)are for the worse. I moved away from the Region in 1978, and at some point after that, when I returned to visit the folks, they would always take me to Kennedy Cafe for lunch. The Cafe was run by a very nice Greek man and his wife. Their meals were very good, lots of variety, VERY reasonable prices and to top it off, you always got a dessert included in your meal for no extra charge. During the late 1990's my dad became ill, but would still go to the Cafe when I came to visit. About 6 years ago, he died and my mom died a few years after that. When I've been back, I've gone to the Kennedy, and that nice Greek couple still remembers my folks and talks to me about them. These are the kinds of people and memories that you won't get at a Perkins, McDonalds, or any chain restaraunt. So, while I realize that the Kennedy Cafe may not harken back to the golden days of our youth, it still holds fond memories for me. And thanks for the great pics of Hessville.
I don't think Sip & Bite was put up there for the ambiance. Some of those characters stunbling out of Hessville Tap and Pioneer saw it as a place for breakfast at 3 AM. This is basic survival. Change can be good. When I still lived near there, I went in Kennedy Cafe several times.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/SipBite.jpg
You're right, two people could have a decent breakfast in there for less than ten bucks! Ask for two eggs, they gave you three.
But there are some places that have not changed at all. Oh yeah, the business has changed hands, but the buildings have remained virtually unchanged. Case in point: back in 1950, there was a little restaurant called "The Soda Pump". Here is a photo of that place:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/SodaPump2.jpg
Now here is a photo of the same building just taken this January.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/SodaPump07.jpg
Here is another view:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/PumpEast.jpg
This place is on the SE corner of 164th & Kennedy. Hessville Cleaners has occupied the north half of the duplex forever.
Now here is a little bonus. South of that is the place we knew as Dick's Grocery or Pop's. Remember when Flick's had that sign that hung out that simply said "BOOZE"?
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Pops.jpg
Just for the record, I didn't take all of these pix because of any real panache connected with these places, but rather I have family still there and I go there from time to time and someone wanted certain pix and I just started snapping at everything........CJ
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04-11-2007
( Reply#: 1160 ) |
svea3 |
SUPER PIX [:D] |
04-11-2007
( Reply#: 1161 ) |
S C Jones |
Hello from Tennessee. This is a great site and one I have been longing to find.
---I was born at St. Margarets in 1940. My dad, a tin-roll builder at Youngstown Sheet and Tube, raised me and my brothers as a single parent in Grand Park subdivision of Hessville.
Mr. Fifield of the Rexall Drug Store called us and our neighborhood friends, "The kids from the boondocks." Grand Avenue at that time was almost the city limit before you hit Black Oak at Cline Avenue. (Black Oak was without a city--unincorporated and serviced by Gary.
I attended 6th grade ( -1952) at Morton elementary because I lived with a sister and her family on 169th just west of Kennedy Ave. between the Pow Wow Drive In and Ferris Standard Oil Service Station. The house we lived in there was rented to us by Ferris. That house had been a dance hall in the 30's and 40's called The Rendevous---It was a long shaped stucco sided building with rounded ends that had around 12 windows in each end.
The Bluebird Tap/Tavern across from Ferris' Station was Boland's Tap. As a 5 year old, I lived with the Boland's in the back of that Tavern--My dad had to take me back home to live when I walked out into the bar area to take a nickel offered by one of the Grand Park neighbor men and someone reported the incident to Child Welfare!
BTW-anyone remember the quaint little Conoco station on 169th just east of Kennedy? The last I knew, it had an addition and was a sandwich place.
I moved back to Grand Park to live with my father and brothers in 1953 and attended Oliver Perry Morton High School until graduation in 1958.
My 2nd grade (1947) was spent in the Parish School on Parish and 173rd (Where now stands Caldwell Elementary). Parish was a wooden school house and probably was built around the same time as the original Harding--perhaps a bit later, because the neighborhood I lived in began to build up around 1940--my dad helped to build our house. That school burned sometime before 1951 or 2 and the students from Parish had to attend Harding elementary for sometime.
One of you wrote:One subject I haven't seen broached is teachers. At Morton High Albert Clark was the principle. 9th hour dicipinarian was named Ruff and he taught Latin. Miss Virden taught English. Mr. Flansburg taught algebra. Maury Zlotnik was the football coach. Other names: Chidester, Hand, Groves, Melton.
My mother, an american born to Russian immigrants, had Albert Clark as her principal, as did I. I had Chidester for math and Virden for English. I remember Zlotnick and Melton--Morton had award-winning bands under his direction.
The Emporium was the place to go for those big pretzels and the candy Kits as well as your paper and pencils. The Hitching Post had a great hamburger, since the Pow Wow was not open in the winter and you couldn't get their best of the best Tomato Burger.
Do any of you remember the Stouts--She substitute taught bookkeeping, and he may have been a track coach or science teacher? Oh, and Mr HarperÑBiology teacher, Miss CobleÑEnglish, Miss LockhartÑGeography, and Mrs Byers was my high school homeroom teacher.
I think she taught History.
Hansen Library, I can still remember the smell of that place. I started getting books there in 1952. My bike had to have a basket so I could check out books at the library.
Was Gregory's an IGA? on the corner of 173rd and Kennedy? My dad called it the Iggy!
I did not discover Cande's Pizza until it had moved to 165th--and after I left "Da Region"
to attend college, I always went back to Cande's for an Itallian Beef---no one nowwhere, at no time has made a more delicious Italian Beef.
My first job out of high school was in Hessville at Girman and Glegg Realty, on the West side and North a bit of the Ace Theater. Then I took a job with Graybar Electric Company on the north end of Indianapolis Blvd.
I worked one summer at Kelly's Drive In (Indianapolis and 169th) owned by Nicholas Kikolas; his brother, Peter Kikolas owned a restaurant on Kennedy Ave. I think.
After my freshman year in college, I worked a summer at the PowWow!--Somehow the glamor it had held when I was younger, had faded by then--not the food, the position as a car hop!!!
Does anyone remember the Nehi Bottiling Co. Building that was just North (it set back from Kennedy and was across the vacant lot behind the Dairy Queen.
Does anyone know anyone from the 1958 graduating class of OPMH? I would like to be included in any up-coming Fiftieth Reunion.... GOVENORS RULE!
I'm gonna stop for now--anyone who begins reading this will need some time. [8D]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-11-2007
( Reply#: 1162 ) |
S C Jones |
Dr. Ramker--he must have been the only Dr. in Hessville in the 50's! Around 1955, My nephew contracted polio--He lived in the then "new housing" across 165th on one of the state named streets. Dr Ramker came to the house--actually he came to my house in Grand Park before that, when my sister and her family lived with us for a few months.
Dr. Ramker paid for my sister and her family to move to Arizona to be in a warm climate which was supposed to be beneficial to persons with polio.
Can any of you imagine a Dr. doing that today--coming to you home; assisting you financially to move for your health?
Shouldn't there be a statue of Ramker in Hessville? Wasn't the clinic in Hessville named Ramker Clinic?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-11-2007
( Reply#: 1163 ) |
seejay2 |
How Do, SC! Enjoy your stay with us. Here is a little bonus for joining. Hansen is no longer the library. It is some kind of learning center, but as you can see, the beautiful building still remains..........CJ
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Hansen.jpg |
04-11-2007
( Reply#: 1165 ) |
wvcogs |
I've been waiting to see that one!!!
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-11-2007
( Reply#: 1166 ) |
S C Jones |
Thanks, seejay--It looks the same, probably looks a bit smaller than it did in my childhood!
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-12-2007
( Reply#: 1167 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Thanks for the photos, especially of the Hansen Branch Library. I was in their Summer Vacation Reading Program during the '50s. The head librarian was Mrs. Harriet Pinkerton, who sponsored a book discussion group for Morton students in the '60s. We read "To Kill a Mockingbird," "Cry the Beloved Country," "Generation of Vipers," "1984," etc.
Someone posted a sketch of the interior circa 1958 on Classmates.com.
According to a former classmate, the building is now a YMCA office. To their shame, the current Hammond Public Library website makes no mention whatever of this wonderful place (at least, the last time I checked).
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-12-2007
( Reply#: 1168 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Here's that sketch I mentioned, posted to Classmates.com by a Morton graduate:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w292/billbucko/HessvilleLibrary1958.jpg
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-12-2007
( Reply#: 1170 ) |
wvcogs |
S C -- The presence of another Mighty Governor on this Forum gives me the opportunity to post the links to these photos that will bring back memories for you and others. I hope you enjoy them.
Here is one of our beloved OPMHS.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/MHS.jpg[/url]
And, here is beautiful downtown Hessville in the 1950s.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/KennedyAve.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-12-2007
( Reply#: 1171 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Here's that sketch I mentioned, posted to Classmates.com by a Morton graduate:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w292/billbucko/HessvilleLibrary1958.jpg
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
That's how I remember the place! Thanks for the sketch. One good thing can be said, at least they didn't knock the building down and stick in another &$%#*@ McDonald's! |
04-12-2007
( Reply#: 1172 ) |
svea3 |
I wonder if it has a dedicated property title.. My Father's map of 1912 Hessville has it so noted. In Michigan, for example, the 16 section of every county is dedicated to education. Michigan should have become a state earlier. much more in line with Indiana and Ohio but there was the Toledo WAR! MI got the Upper Peninsula and Toledo went to Ohio.![8)] |
04-12-2007
( Reply#: 1173 ) |
Jim |
Here's an inside view of the Hansen Branch about 1960.
[img]http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/001/7F/B7/3F/B3/ySkIHuiRrQFHeFNj0dhAtO1KUogVdZ660280.jpg[/img] |
04-12-2007
( Reply#: 1174 ) |
wvcogs |
Jim,
Please check. That looks more like the third floor of 7040 Marshall Avenue to me.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-12-2007
( Reply#: 1175 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim
Here's an inside view of the Hansen Branch about 1960.
[img]http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/001/7F/B7/3F/B3/ySkIHuiRrQFHeFNj0dhAtO1KUogVdZ660280.jpg[/img]
I agree with Ken, look at the brick. In fact, I'd like to enlarge the pic to see the studious students--one looks like it could be me????? [8D]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-12-2007
( Reply#: 1177 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
S C -- The presence of another Mighty Governor on this Forum gives me the opportunity to post the links to these photos that will bring back memories for you and others. I hope you enjoy them.
Here is one of our beloved OPMHS.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/MHS.jpg[/url]
And, here is beautiful downtown Hessville in the 1950s.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/KennedyAve.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
Oh, yes. I had my first checking account at that bank. Vierks Furniture is where I bought the first Christmas present for my dad after I had worked at Kelly's Drive-In for the summer. Bought a recliner "on time" which meant you paid for it a little at a time for a given length of time--not that you were saddled with interest.
Great picture of OPMH--a beautiful building--they do not make them that architecturally interesting anymore. I have memories of standing on the steps waiting for school to open after having walked 2 mi with neighbor kids through the Farmers Field (property that on the West of Grand Park owned by a man named Scottie who farmed the land--bordered by the Nickel Plate RR tracks on the South and Parish Avenue on the West. Over the tracks about 1/2 block we took 172nd past OLPH and over Kennedy to Marshall and OPMH.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-12-2007
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wvcogs |
Is that Ms. Allman standing in the background?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-12-2007
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svea3 |
YES KEN! She gave me an old world almanac one year and I thought that was the greatest thing ever. Knowing me and the keeping of old things, I probably still have it. The picture is inaccurate, because there was always a lot of note passing.
I do believe that she had worked in other Hammond Schools, because of what my mother had once said.[8)] |
04-12-2007
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Jim |
You guys are correct. The archive where I found the picture has it identified incorrectly. I used their reference and uploaded without looking at it or thoroughly checking. When I get back in town I will upload a 'real' inside view of Hansen with Mrs. Pinkerton and the Summer Reading Program.
Sorry for the mistake. Still a good picture. |
04-13-2007
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seejay2 |
This is what happens, Jim, when you have been on "Retired Region Rat" status for too long. We may have to remand you a "Rat Refresher Course" to avoid mislabeling a photo like that in the future.
Ken will be your instructor.
I wonder what Hansen looks like inside now? I guess I'll have to put that on my "To Do" list next trip.....CJ |
04-13-2007
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wvcogs |
Okay you Rats from the mid-1960s, take a look at this photo that appeared in a Chamber of Commerce publication that was published in 1966. It looks like the picture was taken in Hessville Park in front of the shelter. Can you identify any of the kids here?
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20Scenes/HessvillePark.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-13-2007
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seejay2 |
Regarding your Hessville Park photo Ken, I can give you two of them. The blond at the right, Lois Hopp and the guy to the right of her, Mickey Gibson. Both are Morton prople. I will scan the proof and have it up tomorrow. I think I can do two more, too..........CJ |
04-13-2007
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Tom J |
Question for you Hessvillites... did you guys go to Downtown Hammond much? Or, did you find pretty much all you needed right on Kennedy Avenue? Did you feel like you were really part of Hammond, or did you feel like Hessville was a a town of its own?
It seems to me that Hessville was a pretty cool little place from all you guys are talking about, and it makes me wonder how attached you guys really were to the rest of Hammond. Sounds to me like you could shop, eat, and go to the show without leaving Hessville.
What were the "official" boundaries of Hessville, or what were the generally accepted boundaries, if there were no official boundaries? Would Woodmar Shopping Center be considered part of Hessville?
I sure enjoy reading all of your posts about Hessville. I grew up not all that far from you guys, over on Woodward Avenue, which is off of 165th Street two blocks east of Calumet.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-13-2007
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svea3 |
[8)]
I was always told that I was from Hessville. The Saloon on165th and Kennedy is where the battle of the name Hammond and Hessville was resolved as the result of an all night poker game. My father drew a map of Hessville in 1912 of which I am giving a copy to the Little Red School House Museum and the Hammond Public Library.... plus Ken O'Neal. My dad also drew a map of all the farms in Hammond and Hessville. I am going to make a copy of these too as soon as I figure out how to get it out of the binding .
According to my father's map it went as far East as a home of the Senzigs which was past Illinois. The center street was Kennedy and went as far South as the Little Calumet. My Great Grandfather Bernhardt Lohse was known as the "River Rat" according to my Grandmother Elfrieda Helen, Bernhardt's 5th child born in 1880. My dad shows even the Greek Cemetery & the Hessville Cemetery. The Interurban was on 165th and is where my dad went to ride to High School, in Hammond.
Back to the poker game...my Great Great Grandfather FAH Lohse"s best friend was George Hammond. They were instrumental in beginning the Masonic Temple. All the men in my family were 32nd degree Masons.
[FAH = Friederich August Heinrich] Lohse was shot and that murder was never solved. He was married three times and always to a woman with the name Johanna! Now there is a STORY!
My father graduatedfrom HTS '25 and my mother graduated from HHS '29 and so I was a product of a mixed marriage. My older brother also graduated from HHS.
For our Eighth Graduation Mr Albert Clark asked my grandfather Wesley Johnson to speak about the olden times of Hessville. And, I attended Morton from beginning to graduation. Mr Clark was the Principal all the way![8)] |
04-14-2007
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svea3 |
My Father also has the houses with the names attached. [Boland, Atrim and Hess for example] The Hopp's were cousins. I still communicate with the Dedelow & Vanes kids. The Vanes owned the property at the SE corner of Black Oak Road and Kennedy.
Everyone had someone in the family who stoked the furnace. The house was either 40 degrees or 90 . Just like Shep's story, it was the man's job to go downstairs and perform the magic.
As to whom was the fellow who stuck his tongue on the telephone pole, well it was just another my relatives on the CS&I railroad track!!!! That's the tracks by McCook which runs South to North. They had to bring out the Hammond Fire Department to get him off! My Dad was apart of the gang who taunted him.
This part of my family came here in the 1840's from Altenburg, Saxony [Germany] not Alsace Loraine as was so often romantically rumored. Who managed Minas' Department store?... my Mother's first cousin. I even have colored movies of the Thanksgiving parade which I transferred to video tape.
I know more stories and now you know the rest of this story or some of the reasons why I truly love this movie.
Hessville is my home town.[:0]
Linda |
04-14-2007
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seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Okay you Rats from the mid-1960s, take a look at this photo that appeared in a Chamber of Commerce publication that was published in 1966. It looks like the picture was taken in Hessville Park in front of the shelter. Can you identify any of the kids here?
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20Scenes/HessvillePark.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
Here is the blond on the right and the guy to the right of her on the end
Lois Hopp
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Lois.jpg
Mickey Gibson
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Gibson.jpg
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04-14-2007
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wvcogs |
Hey Jim -- An ARCHIVE!!! Does that mean there are more old photos we would be interested in?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-14-2007
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seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Question for you Hessvillites... did you guys go to Downtown Hammond much? Or, did you find pretty much all you needed right on Kennedy Avenue? Did you feel like you were really part of Hammond, or did you feel like Hessville was a a town of its own?
It seems to me that Hessville was a pretty cool little place from all you guys are talking about, and it makes me wonder how attached you guys really were to the rest of Hammond. Sounds to me like you could shop, eat, and go to the show without leaving Hessville.
What were the "official" boundaries of Hessville, or what were the generally accepted boundaries, if there were no official boundaries? Would Woodmar Shopping Center be considered part of Hessville?
I sure enjoy reading all of your posts about Hessville. I grew up not all that far from you guys, over on Woodward Avenue, which is off of 165th Street two blocks east of Calumet.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
Tom, you ask some very good questions I've never heard anyone ask before and you deserve an answer, at least from my viewpoint.
This can get lengthy, but I will try to keep it down. I will have to take your questions a little out of order though. First of all I am a 67 grad of Morton, just to develop a timeline of sorts.
You make the statement:
It seems to me that Hessville was a pretty cool little place from all you guys are talking about, and it makes me wonder how attached you guys really were to the rest of Hammond. Sounds to me like you could shop, eat, and go to the show without leaving Hessville.
All of the above were true. I didn't realize it then , but Hessville wasn't a town as much as it was a clique. We had all of the shops one could think of. Hobby shops, dime store, pets, groceries and you name it, albeit at a small 'mom & pop' level. I still think that is the best way to fly. The Ace Theater, later to become the Kennedy, was there. 25 cents got you 2 feature movies, cartoons in between and a shot at instant stardom! They did a gig called "Saturday At The Ace" where, in between the movies, Jack Hennessey (owner at the time) and a guy by the name of Rick, would randomly pick out about ten kids to answer hodgepodge questions. If you answered correctly, you won a bag of candy that would have taken you a month of grass cutting to buy. Here's the good part: the whole thing was taped and then broadcast over WJOB later that evening.
We have always heard that you should never stay in the place where you grew up. Well, aside from job opportunities and finding that "dreamhouse", I never saw the advantage just in the act alone of leaving Hessville. I can still go back there after all these years and look at somebody, young or old, and have them look back at me and make a connection, as though we have lived on the same block all our lives.
Did you guys go to Downtown Hammond much?
Lord,yes! After completing your basic training in Hessville, you began to hear bits and pieces of a place called 'Hammond' where they had all the things Hessville had, and more! There were a couple of HUGE theaters there! There was this place called Goldblatts where virtually everything manufactured in the world found its way there. It was so huge, they had elevators! Woolworths! Dildines!
But the greatest discovery since King Tut's tomb: Wayne's Trick Shop! You could find every magic trick, mask and costume on the planet there, plus some serious screw-your-buddy gags guaranteed to get your butt kicked. For a thin dime you could jump on the #2 bus, in front of Hill's Hammond Times agency, and go to this Oz-like land.
What were the "official" boundaries of Hessville, or what were the generally accepted boundaries, if there were no official boundaries?
Oh yes, there were boundries. First you had to understand the concept of boundries. You learned this very quickly at the hand of you parents when, as a small kid, you made the mistake of stepping off of your block, with a member of the "Mommy CIA" seeing you. At the time, it was literally impossible to do something like that undetected.
When we got older, the bounderies had expanded a bit. I'm sure everyone had their own Lines of Demarcation. This was my version:
To the north was East Chicago. This was pretty much uncharted territory on anyone's map and had no special significance until around the age of 18, but that is a whole different story.
To the west, Hammond. Open season. We just talked about that.
To the south was Highland. As kids, Highland extended no further than the area where Homestead Park is today. Way back when there was nothing there but the river and a dirt road to it, we would ride our bicycles, with fishing poles, and spend all day back in there fishing blue gills, carps and whatever garbage would bite the worms. We had the most fun ever back in there. It was like nobody, absolutely nobody knew about that place, except for a couple of old men that would be fishing there too. We were convinced that these old men had been orphans at one time that must have gotten lost and found their way there. This is where they remained for the rest of their lives. They of course survived on the fish they caught.
When we got older, the Highland boundry extended further south to Johnsen's Blue Top, which incidentally I'm sorry to report is going to close. More on that at another time. Other than that, the police force there was probably the most feared and hated in the United States. They were like trying to cut a deal with The Terminator, can't be done. I learned this firsthand years later. Stay away!
To the east, Gary. You are on your own at this point. There is a spot on 165th St where Cline Ave. crosses over it that is blocked off by an earthen burm ordered up by local Hessville politicians. Before that was put up, one could drive straight through to Downtown Gary; just do not stop along the way for anything until you get there, or you may not get there. Nuff said there.
There was one area though, to the south-east that was completely, barbed-wire and Claymore mines OFF LIMITS to everyone. You did not cross Cline Ave. via 177th into Black Oak under any circumstances whatsoever! There was absolutely no conceivable reason to go there. Nothing to do, nothing to see. Pulling a burning log out of a fire with your bare hands made more sense than to venture into Black Oak.
Would Woodmar Shopping Center be considered part of Hessville?
No. Woodmar was Woodmar. This is where we lost track of our vigilance though. While we were digging on Hammond and eventually making our way into the Chicago Experience, the mall concept, Woodmar, River Oaks, Century Mall, Southlake (now Westfield) robbed Hammond of everything it had. There was no reason to go downtown anymore. The malls had everything contained in a temperature controlled indoor biosphere. But Hessville survived. Oh there are those that will argue differently. Of course the face of the businesses have changed, but for the older people who are still there, they have everything they need right there without having to drive or bus to the malls. They still have the groceries, hardware store, shoe repair, churches, theater and even a tavern within walking distance of every neighborhood there.
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Tom J |
Blue Top closing??? NO! PLEASE, tell me it ain't so!!!!
One of the few bright bright spots in my recent trips to The Region after being away for many, many years was finding the good old Blue Top still operating. Now you tell me it's closing. That is AWFUL news.
Is there any hope that they will keep it open, or that some new owners might keep come along and keep it going?
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-14-2007
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Tom J |
CJ, thanks for your reply to my post.
One thing I should have made clearer is that I wanted to know the boundary between Hessville and "the rest of Hammond." I knew where the boundaries were between Hessville and neighboring towns, but I was not clear on where the line would be between Hessville and the rest of Hammond. What would be the western boundary of Hessville, I guess, is the question? Is the Purdue Calumet campus in Hessville?
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-14-2007
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Jim |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Hey Jim -- An ARCHIVE!!! Does that mean there are more old photos we would be interested in?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
Archive? ARCHIVE?? Did someone say ARCHIVE???
YES, there is a photo archive at the following site:
[url]http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/photo_gallery_main/archives_photo_gallery_Main.htm[/url]
There are many old photos of Hessville and the surrounding areas from the 1950-1960's. They are in the Special Collections Photos.
ENJOY !!!!!!!!!!!
PS. If you look at photo SCP337 you will see that the Morton library is misidentified as the Hansen Library. Hence my mistake. |
04-14-2007
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svea3 |
SO CONCISELY STATED ...WITH HUMOR
I went to Hammond almost daily. Ditto about Goldblatts. I took dance/piano lessons there and many of my relatives lived there. Now where I live now, I have only my immediate family.
Woodmar is Woodmar. The Solon's Teegartern's and Byrnes' were major families. Lucian Heacox, whose dad was magazine publisher in Chicago lived there also. I hardly[8)] knew about Woodmar until they joined our class in Junior High.
[8D] Linda |
04-14-2007
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svea3 |
Purdue Campus is in Woodmar. |
04-14-2007
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wvcogs |
CJ... With that dissertation you have just elected yourself chairman of the Region Rats. That was very well stated.
Some of us really felt walled in by the railroad tracks to the west. Were those guys on the other side part of Hessville, or were they closer to Woodmar? I never could really figure that one out.
By the way, remember the time before Cline was an expressway and Kennedy Avenue was a thoroughfare for the guys driving to and from the mills and other industries in East Chicago?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-14-2007
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seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Blue Top closing??? NO! PLEASE, tell me it ain't so!!!!
One of the few bright bright spots in my recent trips to The Region after being away for many, many years was finding the good old Blue Top still operating. Now you tell me it's closing. That is AWFUL news.
Is there any hope that they will keep it open, or that some new owners might keep come along and keep it going?
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
There were two articles just yesterday about it. I don't know how long these links will stay alive, so I would look at them rather quickly.
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2007/04/13/columnists/mark_kiesling/doc7a916acef26dd596862572bc00033407.txt
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2007/04/13/news/lake_county/doc016c5c9a2016fbfb862572bc000335df.txt
CJ
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04-14-2007
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seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
CJ... With that dissertation you have just elected yourself chairman of the Region Rats. That was very well stated.
Some of us really felt walled in by the railroad tracks to the west. Were those guys on the other side part of Hessville, or were they closer to Woodmar? I never could really figure that one out.
By the way, remember the time before Cline was an expressway and Kennedy Avenue was a thoroughfare for the guys driving to and from the mills and other industries in East Chicago?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
Not speaking officially as chairman, I really don't remember anybody pointing out any "hard" boundaries at the time, but it probably would be safe to say that we considered the Gibson area to be a territory of Hessville making Michigan St. (20) the North boundary;
Cline Ave the undisputed east boundary;
80-94 to the south;
and probably the tracks, you mention Ken, that ran alongside McCook to the west. That would make Summer St. "No Man's Land", but who wanted it anyway unless you wanted to cultivate yet another junkyard?....CJ |
04-14-2007
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S C Jones |
Okay, Guys!
I never heard of the Blue Top--since I was just inside the Eastern border of Hessville--but Kelly's and the PowWow--I worked a summer each as carhop at those Drive Ins--had no rollerskating carhops. Did the Blue Top really have rollerskaters? I am teased all the time because I was a teenage carhop--summer of 1957 and summer of 1960 or 61. I always say, "no, I was not on rollerskates".
As for Black Oak being off-limits---I agree it was. However, as a child of a Kentucky born father, the people with southern heritage always seemed to find each other--Probably all related in some fashion. I went to church in Black Oak where the pastor was a childhood friend of my dads. anyway. just love your chatter.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-14-2007
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svea3 |
SCJ:
Great to have a female amongst us. The"story" I heard was that there were 'Indians' living out on Black Oak Road! That was true maybe in the 1700's. hahaha
Linda |
04-14-2007
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seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
IF THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, HERE'S THE SECOND ARTICLE!
Blue Top to close, but not fade away
Friday, April 13, 2007 2:58 AM CDT
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BY MARK KIESLING
Times Columnist
Shoo-bop, shoo-bop, the Blue Top is but a dream, shoo-bop, shoo-bop.
The Highland drive-in, one of the last of the holdovers from the days when the automobile was still a relative novelty, is for sale, and Indianapolis Boulevard is never going to be the same when its doors close.
Generations of high school girls worked there as roller-skating carhops, a cultural icon most people in America could only experience by viewing "American Graffiti," the 1973 George Lucas film set in small-town California in 1962.
Time was, everybody cruised the Blue Top.
But that time was when the pace of life was slower. When you actually talked to friends on Friday nights over the front seat of dad's DeSoto Firedome instead of text messaging them on your Blackberry.
When you had a cheeseburger, fries and a shake on a tray set on the halfway rolled-down window rather than ate and ran from a food court in a shopping mall.
The widening of Indianapolis Boulevard slashed into the traffic at Blue Top, a cut from which it never recovered. Competition for the food dollar became fierce along that stretch of road, which was once dominated by Blue Top.
The time was when kids would cruise the Boulevard from Blue Top to Art's Drive-In in Hammond, then back again.
It's ironic that earlier this year, the founder of Art's Drive-In, Art Lukowski, passed away at the age of 79. The two icons of region drive-in culture, gone within months of each other.
Art's closed in the early 1980s, shortly after Lukowski opened his Oil Express business. But Blue Top hung on, fueled by nostalgia and loaded to the gills every Friday and Saturday night with cars from the 1950s driven by men who had been high schoolers then -- and now had the money to buy that dream vehicle they'd always wanted.
The Johnsen family, which owns the Blue Top, gave those people much more than they got in return. The amount of money the guys dropped was negligible in comparison to the thrill they got back.
But by the 1990s, the old cars began to dwindle. In their place were the modern muscle cars out of "The Fast and the Furious," cars that began to attract unwanted attention from police and neighbors. It became more difficult for the Johnsens to be good neighbors and successful business people.
And in the end, the times had just changed too much. The Blue Top could not change, because it was what it was and nothing else.
Like Art's, Hannon's in Valparaiso, the Dog 'n' Suds in Highland and the other drive-ins that have closed in recent years, it will soon be gone, never to be replaced.
Can I get one final "shoo-bop," please?
The opinions are solely those of the writer. He can be reached at markk@nwitimes.com or (219) 933-4170.
There is a difference. Two different authors. You posted the same article twice..........CJ |
04-14-2007
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Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Okay, Guys!
I never heard of the Blue Top--since I was just inside the Eastern border of Hessville--but Kelly's and the PowWow--I worked a summer each as carhop at those Drive Ins--had no rollerskating carhops. Did the Blue Top really have rollerskaters? I am teased all the time because I was a teenage carhop--summer of 1957 and summer of 1960 or 61. I always say, "no, I was not on rollerskates".
As for Black Oak being off-limits---I agree it was. However, as a child of a Kentucky born father, the people with southern heritage always seemed to find each other--Probably all related in some fashion. I went to church in Black Oak where the pastor was a childhood friend of my dads. anyway. just love your chatter.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
Never heard of the Blue Top???? I thought EVERY Region Rat knew about the Blue Top and had probably been there a few times.
My best friend and fellow member of the Hammond High Class of '67 drove a brand new silver gray 1966 GTO, and we made many trips to Blue Top. Heck, every once in a while we actually BOUGHT something. :) Blue Top was THE place to show off your car, and, believe me, that 66 Goat was worthy of being shown off; she was a beauty!
Here's a picture of the Blue Top.
Tom
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Hammond/Hammond%2011-03-05/Blue_Top_from_south.jpg[/IMG]
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-14-2007
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Tom J |
I just checked Mapquest, and I can see that those railroad tracks running parallel to Mc Cook and a little to the west would have made a logical line of demarcation between Hessville and the main part of Hammond. Would the rest of you Hessvillites agree that Hessville extended no further west than those tracks?
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-14-2007
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seejay2 |
Use Google, Tom. It goes into much more detail and if you zoom all the way in and switch to Satellite view, you can almost see the beer cans laying on those tracks.
I agree. How can you be from the region and not hear of Blue Top?....CJ |
04-14-2007
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Jim |
Mrs. Pinkerton in the Hansen Library - 1962
[img]http://shutter08.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/12/001/7B/EF/39/64/wVvHwrsPnpsDDgghVGStkRehEUywXwH80280.jpg[/img] |
04-14-2007
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Jim |
As promised:
Hansen Library, Martha St. and Alabama St., 1962
[img]http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/SC_Photos/SCP_321.jpg[/img]
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04-14-2007
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seejay2 |
God Bless you! |
04-14-2007
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Jim |
Here's one I just found - the stage at the 'Portables'. I remember winning the 7th Grade spelling contest on that stage a few years back.
[img]http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/4710/1203240920014618152S600x600Q85.jpg[/img] |
04-14-2007
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Jim |
Just found a new source for Hessville photos. I'll keep uploading until you tell me to stop.
[img]http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/2638/1423882732075475669S600x600Q85.jpg[/img] |
04-14-2007
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Jim |
Here is a letter from Dr. Becker to the Class of 1960 for their 45th Reunion in 2005. I thought you might enjoy reading his words.
[img]http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/2454/1416036169075475669S600x600Q85.jpg[/img] |
04-14-2007
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seejay2 |
The only problem we may have, Jim, as it was pointed out to me, if there are people on the forum with dial-up connections, these pages with the pix may take an awful long time to load up....CJ |
04-14-2007
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wvcogs |
Jim found my Webshots.com page with the photos of the 45th reunion of the class of 1960. No problem. But, like CJ, I do suggest that we post the links instead of the images so those few who may have dialup can still enjoy the Forum. Ken...
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-14-2007
( Reply#: 1215 ) |
Pro2am |
Tom,
AS far as I know the Hessville boundaries are thus: north is technically the Grand Calumet River - though to us it seemed to be e/w 161st St. (about 1/2 mile south of the river) where the business and residential areas ended; east would be Cline Avenue; west is - I belive - the n/s Kankakee Line (former C&SI/NYC-MC/CR, now owned by Norfolk Southern) railroad tracks; south is the Little Calumet River, the boundary between Hessville and Highland - though to us back then e/w I80/94 (a/k/a the Borman Expressway) was, for all practical purposes, the southern border.
Hessville, though a part of Hammond, was to us a very unique area. It did feel and seem to be separate from the rest of Hammond. Each area of Hammond possessed its own particular personality/atmosphere. My two all-time favorite areas are Woodmar and Hessville. I spent major portions of my life growing up in both: Woodmar from 1954 to early 1962; Hessville from 1962 to 1974 (plus a return there from early 1977 to 1985 living in the Georgetown Homes townhouse complex on the southwest corner of the Cline Ave./169th St. intersection).
To me Hessville was the more enjoyable of the two towns. Woodmar's main business section is on Indianapolis Blvd. and seemed less hospitable back then (maybe the fact that we were pretty young and also discouraged by our parents from frequenting the Blvd. had something to do with this impression). OTOH the downtown Hessville area was much more intimate, "accessible" if you will, especially to teen/pre-teen age kids. All those delightful little stores with their merchandise that was geared toward kids made it feel more welcoming, custom-made for us (Woodmar was mostly grocery stores, hardware stores, furntiture stores, banks, etc. I don't recall a single little mom-&-pop type store in Woodmar). Also, the presence of the Ace-cum-Kennedy Theater helped. It was (is) small, and thus intimate, and featured Saturday-afternoon matinees geared mostly for us younger folk (lots of sci-fi/fantasy films shown; also a lot of the Hercules/gladiator-type films popular in the early-mid 1960s). IMO dowtown Hessville was in a class by itself. To this day I'm very grateful for the opportunity I had to spend several years growing up there. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Question for you Hessvillites... did you guys go to Downtown Hammond much? Or, did you find pretty much all you needed right on Kennedy Avenue? Did you feel like you were really part of Hammond, or did you feel like Hessville was a a town of its own?
It seems to me that Hessville was a pretty cool little place from all you guys are talking about, and it makes me wonder how attached you guys really were to the rest of Hammond. Sounds to me like you could shop, eat, and go to the show without leaving Hessville.
What were the "official" boundaries of Hessville, or what were the generally accepted boundaries, if there were no official boundaries? Would Woodmar Shopping Center be considered part of Hessville?
I sure enjoy reading all of your posts about Hessville. I grew up not all that far from you guys, over on Woodward Avenue, which is off of 165th Street two blocks east of Calumet.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
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04-14-2007
( Reply#: 1216 ) |
Pro2am |
This is serious BAD NEWS. I understand the reasons for the closing, but sure wish there was a way to keep it opened - or at least preserved. I'm thinking of writing to the Highland powers-that-be and requesting that Blue Top be inlcuded on a list of historic landmarks. Probably a waste of time since all that seems to matter anymore is the financial bottom line (like we really need another condo complex or mini mall or insurance offics or whatever some bozos will erect there).
This is a slice of genuine American history here. It shouldn't be allowed to disappear. What a shame.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Blue Top closing??? NO! PLEASE, tell me it ain't so!!!!
One of the few bright bright spots in my recent trips to The Region after being away for many, many years was finding the good old Blue Top still operating. Now you tell me it's closing. That is AWFUL news.
Is there any hope that they will keep it open, or that some new owners might keep come along and keep it going?
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
There were two articles just yesterday about it. I don't know how long these links will stay alive, so I would look at them rather quickly.
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2007/04/13/columnists/mark_kiesling/doc7a916acef26dd596862572bc00033407.txt
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2007/04/13/news/lake_county/doc016c5c9a2016fbfb862572bc000335df.txt
CJ
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04-14-2007
( Reply#: 1217 ) |
wvcogs |
One of the photos on the archives Jim directed us to shows two men in the back of a pickup truck spraying for mosquitos. This was part of the local mosquito abatement program in Hammond in the 1950s. One of the participants was our biology teacher at Morton, Mr. Rasmussen. The product they were spraying was DDT that was outlawed shortly after that. Later he began teaching ecology as part of his program.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-14-2007
( Reply#: 1218 ) |
Pro2am |
Chris,
LOL! I like your comments about Summer St. Ain't that a fact! IMO that has always been a kind of weird area (the stretch from Indianapolis Blvd. west to Columbia). Yet it definitely has its charm. Everything seems so old, so vintage (which most of it is). To paraphrase: its a neat/weird place to visit but I don't think I'd wanna live there. :-)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
CJ... With that dissertation you have just elected yourself chairman of the Region Rats. That was very well stated.
Some of us really felt walled in by the railroad tracks to the west. Were those guys on the other side part of Hessville, or were they closer to Woodmar? I never could really figure that one out.
By the way, remember the time before Cline was an expressway and Kennedy Avenue was a thoroughfare for the guys driving to and from the mills and other industries in East Chicago?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
Not speaking officially as chairman, I really don't remember anybody pointing out any "hard" boundaries at the time, but it probably would be safe to say that we considered the Gibson area to be a territory of Hessville making Michigan St. (20) the North boundary;
Cline Ave the undisputed east boundary;
80-94 to the south;
and probably the tracks, you mention Ken, that ran alongside McCook to the west. That would make Summer St. "No Man's Land", but who wanted it anyway unless you wanted to cultivate yet another junkyard?....CJ
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04-14-2007
( Reply#: 1219 ) |
seejay2 |
It has been a constant battle for Johnsen's with the deck stacked against them. In the beginning they were told that all they had to do was move the sign. The sign was the business! Those of us who kept track of the proceedings figured what would come next, they just plain wore them down. Oh Boy! Room for a new McDonalds!!...CJ |
04-14-2007
( Reply#: 1220 ) |
svea3 |
HOW ABOUT e-mailing Jeff Goldblatt of FOXNEWS? Get some good press. |
04-14-2007
( Reply#: 1221 ) |
Pro2am |
Jim,
Don't stop!! :-)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jim
Just found a new source for Hessville photos. I'll keep uploading until you tell me to stop.
[img]http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/2638/1423882732075475669S600x600Q85.jpg[/img]
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04-14-2007
( Reply#: 1222 ) |
Jim |
Thanks for the advice. I was probably worried more about the site paying for the bandwidth than those with slower connections. Good point. Also, thanks to Ken for the Webshots photos. Their source was closer to this group that I would ever have imagined.
For those interested in the Hansen branch, check this link. The Hammond Public Library has a book with 4 technical drawings (blueprints) for the Hansen Branch published in 1931.
[url]http://firstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSFETCH?fetchtype=fullrecord:sessionid=fsapp11-52698-f0inkhyy-dswz:entitypagenum=3:0:recno=9:resultset=1:format=FI:next=html/record.html:bad=error/badfetch.html:entitytoprecno=9:entitycurrecno=9:numrecs=1[/url] |
04-14-2007
( Reply#: 1223 ) |
Tom J |
What will today's kids look back on with fondness?
Although so much of what we all look back upon is gone, we should be grateful for the memories. I would not take all the money in the world for the memories I have of my wonderful childhood.
I have to wonder if the young people of today are going to have anything to remember with anything close to the same passion that we have for those old stores, gas stations, restaurants, theaters, and drive-in movies? How can anyone look back in fond remembrance of a Walmart? Or, of a self-serve gas station? Or, a fast food restaurant?
Businesses today have no charm, no unique personality, no warmth. It's all about efficiency nowadays, isn't it? Everything is impersonal. We use the self-serve pump and pay for our gas by credit card at the pump. We shop at stores like Walmart, where we just help ourselves to the merchandise without the service of a store clerk, and we even use the automated check-outs, so that there is no contact with a cashier. We do the same when we stop for a few items at the grocery store. We shop and pay our bills via the Internet.
The way business was conducted in the days of our youth, we got to know the people who ran the businesses, and we got to know their employees. Things were done at the personal level. An attendant pumped your gas, and, if you were at your usual gas station, you probably knew his name and a little bit about his family. When you shopped for clothing, you dealt with the same store clerks, and you became friends with them. When you paid bills, you gave the money to a real person, and you would exchange pleasantries.
People, I would not exchange the time of my birth for any other time in history. Growing up in the 50's and 60's was as good as it ever got. Our music is still being played this very day. The cars of our youth are called "classics," and, like so much of our heritage, they had personality and charm. Life was so good in our day, wasn't it?
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-14-2007
( Reply#: 1225 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
SCJ:
Great to have a female amongst us. The"story" I heard was that there were 'Indians' living out on Black Oak Road! That was true maybe in the 1700's. hahaha
Linda
By Black Oak Road, do you mean 25th Ave. in Black Oak? No doubt about it, there probably were Indians out there. I doubt there were any cowboys in the region, though--just Indians and every other culture---And the Blue Top--Did most of you guys go there in the 60's? I left the area in 60--and that was after graduating in 58 and working for two years to get money for college. You guys were cruising the Drive Ins, no doubt!
Ken, I had run across you pics of the 1960 MHS reunion sometime ago--and was so exicited to find them, I emailed my family members who graduated Morton. [^]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1226 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Lots of interesting photos in that archive:
http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/photo_gallery_main/archives_photo_gallery_Main.htm
along with some not-so-interesting (for us). So far the pages with the most Hessville-related photos are on the SPECIAL COLLECTIONS pages:
http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/spec_coll_photo_gallery/spec_coll_photo_gallery_p26.htm and pages 27 and 28 following it.
Another mislabelling -- the alleged photo of librarian Harriet Pinkerton is not of her.
They have lots of photos of Indianapolis Blvd.
Check out Luchene's, 1959:
http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/SC_Photos/scp_316.htm
This photo is labelled as Harding, circa 1957:
http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/SC_Photos/scp_333.htm
but I doubt it; we had no fences bordering our grassy areas (except by the subdivision to the north); perhaps this is Lost Park?
This one shows the old A&P on Kennedy Ave.:
http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/SC_Photos/scp_348.htm
I think that's a corner of the Pinbowl visible in the background; however, the date must be wrong, that A&P closed when the new A&P opened around 1957 or 58 on 165th and Alexander. Ditto for the next photo.
I've now looked at all photos in the Special Collections gallery.
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People, when you post a link to a photo (instead of pasting the photo itself here) that does save the good Mr Clavin from having to pay for extra bandwidth as well as reduce his storage costs on his server.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1227 ) |
Bill Bucko |
The Archive Photos contains mostly pictures of the Purdue Calumet campus.
I'm pretty sure that's 169th in the background of this one:
http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/Photos/AP_78.htm
There was a small store nearby where you could buy wax vampire fangs (like the ones Miss Shields deplored), and candy in 2-part plastic containers shaped like a rocket, which (after rotting your teeth on the candy) you could fill with vinegar and baking soda (for obvious reasons, if you were a kid of my generation).
The later pages contain mostly weird architectural studies. But on page 18 there's a facade that looks a lot like Morton:
http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/Photos/AP_220.htm
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1228 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Purdue Calumet's third (and last) collection, the Digital Archives Photos, has only recent color pics of campus activities. Nothing nostalgic in there, for us.
Maybe they'll be nostalgic for someone, 40 years from now.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1229 ) |
Jim R |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim
As promised:
Hansen Library, Martha St. and Alabama St., 1962
[img]http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/SC_Photos/SCP_321.jpg[/img]
I was quite suprised when I saw this photo while browsing that archive. There are 4 kids from the 6700 / 6800 block of Idaho Ave. in it. Myself, my younger brother John, Linda M., and Cathy G.
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1230 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Purdue Calumet's third (and last) collection, the Digital Archives Photos, has only recent color pics of campus activities. Nothing nostalgic in there, for us.
Maybe they'll be nostalgic for someone, 40 years from now.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
I went to Purdue Calumet for my first year of college. I attended school there for the fall semester of 1967 and the spring semester of 1968.
I had not been back to the Purdue Calumet campus since the early 70's until a few months ago. Man! Talk about growth!
The ONLY building they had when I went to school there was the Gyte Building. Well, there might have been another building that was attached to the Gyte Building, which made it seem like there was only one building.
Now there are fourteen buildings! It absolutely blew my mind to see how much PUCC has grown. I was very happy to see that. I guess sometimes things DO change for the better.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1231 ) |
wvcogs |
I have four albums on my Webshots.com site that you may be interested in viewing. The first is a series of twenty some images that I scanned from a 1966 Hammond Chamber of Commerce publication. Then there are two albums related to the 45th year reunion of the Morton class of 1960. It could be that you know some of those folks and would like to see what they look like today. See how two of your teachers, Mr. George Nelson and Mr. Donald Woolls, look today. (Two members of this Forum also are pictured.) The fourth album has four images of the demolition of the Woodmar Mall, or shopping center as we knew it back in the 1950s. My Webshots address is: [url]http://community.webshots.com/user/hurricanewv[/url] .
Another user has posted three albums that also could be of interest those who no longer live in the Hammond area. One album, Hammond, Indiana - Yesterday, includes many of the same images that are in my 1966 album. Then he has an album with Hammond - These Days. Finally, there is an album with many more pictures of the Woodmar Mall in its final days. His Webshots address is: [url]http://community.webshots.com/user/ajschicubs85[/url] .
PLEASE REMEMBER TO POST LINKS INSTEAD OF THE PHOTOS. THANKS
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1232 ) |
wvcogs |
Bill -- The picture of the school in the Purdue archives in not Morton and it is not Edison; but it had to be designed by the same architect. Morton and Edison were built from the same plans with just a few variations. Edison did have more rooms; that's why Morton had to build on to the two sides when it became a four year high school. Edison had a "snowflake" medallion above the front door very similar to the ones in the Purdue photo, but it had only one. The two schools were constructed at the same time and both were demolished in 1991.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1233 ) |
seejay2 |
Bill-You are right. The pic in NOT Harding, it is in fact Lost Park......CJ |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1234 ) |
wvcogs |
Not to be picky, but here goes:
Picture number SCP 336 is labeled "Woodmar area, northeast corner of Indianapolis Blvd. and 169th St., 1952." That sure looks like a '56 Chevy behind the utility pole to me.
[url]http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/SC_Photos/SCP_336.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1235 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Not to be picky, but here goes:
Picture number SCP 336 is labeled "Woodmar area, northeast corner of Indianapolis Blvd. and 169th St., 1952." That sure looks like a '56 Chevy behind the utility pole to me.
[url]http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/SC_Photos/SCP_336.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
Sure looks like a 56 Chevy to me, too.
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1236 ) |
seejay2 |
Just to BE picky, I think these pix were labeled by the kids that Tom J was talking about on page 21, or the numbers were simply drawn out of a hat. Too many mistakes or indifference. There is absolutely no way someone from that era is going to confuse a 56 Chevy with anything else...CJ |
04-15-2007
( Reply#: 1237 ) |
Jim |
A search of the Calumet Library website returned an additional 61 photographs of Hessville in the Special Photo Archives. However, it appears that they are not yet(?) available online. Anyone who is really curious about these could probably give them a call for details on obtaining them.
A direct link to the search results times out so is not useful here. Instead use the following link to the search page. Then enter "Hessville". Many more are available for Woodmar.
[url]https://pulse.lib.purdue.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=sbSearch[/url] |
04-16-2007
( Reply#: 1238 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
By Black Oak Road, do you mean 25th Ave. in Black Oak?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
S C -- What is now Orchard Drive in Hessville originally was Black Oak Road before Cline Avenue became a limited access highway. Black Oak Road began at Kennedy Avenue at Hessville Park and ran diagonally southeast across Cline Avenue to 29th Street near Colfax.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-16-2007
( Reply#: 1239 ) |
S C Jones |
Oh, yeah. I remember that--173rd veered off onto Orchard Drive and became 25th Avenue, if I am not mistaken--and into "downtown" Black Oak which was the corner of 25th and Colfax.
BTWÑOur neighborhood kids never went to Hessville Park for winter sports, we had an area off 173rd and Grand that froze and made our hockey/skating rink! The guys used old brooms as their hockey sticks and probably my Dad's Copenhagen snuff cans as the puck.
Do any of your remember the name Eddie Chick? His family lived in the no-man's land area over the Nickel Plate RR tracks off of Grand Ave. between 173rd and Black Oak Road.
How about Stanley Mize? His family lived on 173rd 1st or 2nd house past Maryland/Missouri Avenue. I think Stan became a millionaire with a tire store and real estate/building investments in the Highland area, maybe.
Anybody remember Bobby Keefer, Terry Zako, Donald Butler, Joan Poole, Don Poole, Carmen Moska, Jean Aumiller?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-16-2007
( Reply#: 1240 ) |
wvcogs |
I remember Stan Mize. Some of us just are in the wrong business.
Take a look at Google maps. You will see a section of the road east of Cline Avenue still called Black Oak Road.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-16-2007
( Reply#: 1241 ) |
seejay2 |
Hi all!
This is a little off topic, but I need a little help with something. This is an issue dealing with old Indiana license plates between 1950 and 1963. Until 1950, the plates consisted of only numbers. That year the state began coding the county in which the vehicle was registered with two-letter prefix. Letters went from "AA" to "AY" used for Marion County to "ZX" to ZZ" used for Miami County. In 1963, the first plates were issued with the numeric prefix system alphabetically by county.
What I am looking for is anybody out there who may have an old photo laying around that clearly shows at least the two letter coding, and you know where the car was registered. I think the "C" series was Lake county. I'm just trying to confirm some plate numbers I have. I have tried contacting the BMV in the past about older plates, and the lovlies there have only told me that their records don't go back that far (yeah, I know).............CJ
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04-16-2007
( Reply#: 1242 ) |
Jim R |
Seejay2, her is a list taken from part of my dads collection of plates. Each year, as he got his new plates, he screwed the old one to the wall of the garage. I took them down and saved them when I cleaned out the house after his death. All plate numbers listed are for his car registered in hammond.
1961 - CG6803
1962 - CG6803
1963 - 45Z1746
1964 - 45V3836
1965 - 45X8885
1966 - 45Y3678
1967 - 45Y3790
1968 - 45W4543
1969 - 45Y7445
1970 - 45Y332
1970 - 45Y7100
Hope this gives you what your looking for.
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
04-16-2007
( Reply#: 1243 ) |
Jim R |
For expert help, check out this forum, you have to join to see the forum, but it's free.
http://www.plateshed.com/
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
04-16-2007
( Reply#: 1244 ) |
seejay2 |
Thank you Jim! You have no idea how much this is helping.....CJ |
04-16-2007
( Reply#: 1245 ) |
seejay2 |
Jim, do you belong to that Plateshed thing? I have been trying to register and I keep getting denied. I have tried 2 different usernames and have gone through the validation thing about 6 times now with no luck. Tried contacting the administraters with no reply.........CJ |
04-16-2007
( Reply#: 1246 ) |
Jim R |
I totally misunderstood what you were asking for. I thought you wanted the numbers after 1963. Here's what I have prior to what I posted.
1957 - CJ8916
1958 - CH 3763
1959 - CG967
1960 - CG6803
Yes, I am a member of that forum, but I'm not an active member, I have never posted there. I joined to try to find out the value of a 1957 Washington DC plate that I have.
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
04-17-2007
( Reply#: 1247 ) |
svea3 |
TO:SC JONES
I remember those people. Don never married and is a Mormon. I have an 8 B1 Homeroom picture with Ken's wife in the front row. I just have to figure out how to scan it and send it!
I just was called yesterday by Marge Burton VanTil. Remember VanTil's market on Indianapolis Blvd, I think.
Linda OLPM only grad[8)] |
04-17-2007
( Reply#: 1248 ) |
seejay2 |
[:D]5 Gold stars for you, Jim! This is, in fact, what I was really after, before 63. I finally got the green light last night from an administrator to use the Plateshed site. I've got a little research to do......CJ |
04-17-2007
( Reply#: 1249 ) |
seejay2 |
The leg of the Borman including the intersection of I80/94 & Kennedy Ave was completed in 1958. The area we knew as Optimist Park, just southwest of the Borman, was dug out and the earth removed from it was used to build up the entrance and exit ramps of said intersection. Does anybody know or have pictures of what the Optimist Park area looked like then, pre-1958?......CJ |
04-17-2007
( Reply#: 1250 ) |
Pro2am |
Ken,
You are correct about the '56 Chevy. My conclusion is tha these Indianapolis Blvd. photos were taken in late 1959.
For some reason I can't copy-paste the links/photos to this reply, so I'll have to give the code name/number for two of the photos along with a couple of comments. In photo SCP 331 - Indpls. Blvd. looking north - there are ceratin vehicles that date the picture: a 1957 Chevy parked at the curb, a 1958[?] Dodge station wagon, and a 1958 or '59 Thunderbird behind it.
Also, in photo SCP 329 - Indpls. Blvd. looking south - a part of the old Serenade drive-in restaurant is visible at the far right. The car parked behind the phone booth is 1959 vintage; either a Chevy, Pontiac, or Buick.
I say late 1959 because of the Christmas decoration visible on the telephone pole in SCP 336. I assume that these photos were all taken on the same day by the same person.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
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quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Not to be picky, but here goes:
Picture number SCP 336 is labeled "Woodmar area, northeast corner of Indianapolis Blvd. and 169th St., 1952." That sure looks like a '56 Chevy behind the utility pole to me.
[url]http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/SC_Photos/SCP_336.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
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04-17-2007
( Reply#: 1251 ) |
Pro2am |
Correction,
SCP 331 was taken during warm weather - perhaps the Spring or Summer of 1959.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by Pro2am
Ken,
You are correct about the '56 Chevy. My conclusion is tha these Indianapolis Blvd. photos were taken in late 1959.
For some reason I can't copy-paste the links/photos to this reply, so I'll have to give the code name/number for two of the photos along with a couple of comments. In photo SCP 331 - Indpls. Blvd. looking north - there are ceratin vehicles that date the picture: a 1957 Chevy parked at the curb, a 1958[?] Dodge station wagon, and a 1958 or '59 Thunderbird behind it.
Also, in photo SCP 329 - Indpls. Blvd. looking south - a part of the old Serenade drive-in restaurant is visible at the far right. The car parked behind the phone booth is 1959 vintage; either a Chevy, Pontiac, or Buick.
I say late 1959 because of the Christmas decoration visible on the telephone pole in SCP 336. I assume that these photos were all taken on the same day by the same person.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
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quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Not to be picky, but here goes:
Picture number SCP 336 is labeled "Woodmar area, northeast corner of Indianapolis Blvd. and 169th St., 1952." That sure looks like a '56 Chevy behind the utility pole to me.
[url]http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/SC_Photos/SCP_336.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
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04-17-2007
( Reply#: 1252 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
TO:SC JONES
I remember those people. Don never married and is a Mormon. I have an 8 B1 Homeroom picture with Ken's wife in the front row. I just have to figure out how to scan it and send it!
I just was called yesterday by Marge Burton VanTil. Remember VanTil's market on Indianapolis Blvd, I think.
Linda OLPM only grad[8)]
Yes, Linda,
I remember VanTil's. I would love to see the 8B-1 I have a copy of a class that has Stan Mize and Diane Kuschel in it. Stan is in the back row and Diane is in the front row to the right. Is that the pic you have? I downloaded it from the sight Ken has his pics of Morton and the 1960 class reunion. I will look it up and see if it was 8B-1 homeroom.
Another name you might know, John Meade.
[purple]Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville![purple] |
04-17-2007
( Reply#: 1253 ) |
wvcogs |
Here is a link to the class S C mentioned. It is an 8A class from the 1954-55 school year. John McCann posted it to his Webshots.com site. I copied it and put it here for convenience.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/MortonJrHi1955.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-18-2007
( Reply#: 1257 ) |
svea3 |
SC:
I just sent the pix to Ken. I will post it when my son comes home from class. Yes, Stan is there.[8)] |
04-18-2007
( Reply#: 1258 ) |
wvcogs |
Here is the link to the Morton 8B1 class photo in March 1956 that svea3 mentioned.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/8B1.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-18-2007
( Reply#: 1264 ) |
S C Jones |
Thanks, Ken and Linda--
I recognize Don Poole in the back row and Bonnie, I think,-the girl on the far right in the first row- (can't remember the last name) who were both from Grand Park.
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Here is the link to the Morton 8B1 class photo in March 1956 that svea3 mentioned.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/8B1.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
[purple]Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville![purple] |
04-19-2007
( Reply#: 1267 ) |
wvcogs |
Friends,
Here are some photographs that will bring back pleasant memories to many of you who grew up in the Hammond/Hessville area. The photographs are from the Purdue Calumet archives courtesy of the very nice archives librarian. Enjoy.
Here is the original McDonald's restaurant at the corner of 175th Street and Indianapolis Blvd. I remember fifteen cent hamburgers. Do you?
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/McDonalds175thandIndianapolisSCP418.jpg[/url]
And now, the Fat Boy Drive In on Indianapolis Blvd.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/FatBoyDriveInnSCP371.jpg[/url]
Here is beautiful downtown Hessville.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/HessvilleBusinessDistrict-Marthaand.jpg[/url]
And, the cream of the crop, an interior shop of the Hansen Branch!!! I believe one of the girls in the photos is now my wife.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/HansenBranchLibrarySCP461.jpg[/url]
Just a note that I have been asked to pass on by the librarian, "Any professional use of our photos requires the user to document the use and give the department credit for the use of the image."
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-19-2007
( Reply#: 1268 ) |
svea3 |
I especiallly love the MickeyD's where I first got my 15 cent [8)]burger!
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04-19-2007
( Reply#: 1269 ) |
S C Jones |
Ken,
Once again, outstanding! Do you know the dates of the photos? Is i58 at the beginning of each indicating 1958? I had an older boyfriend when I was 16, and a junior at Morton. He, Louis Yakos (had been in America for 5 yrs--was 20 yrs old, was working to become Mr. Indiana, had a '55 Chevy coupe, maroon and white. He would pick me up at lunch from school and we'd go to the Fat Boy! Most of the time we took several other of my girlfriends with us.
MacDonalds! I read somewhere ours was the first MickeyD's West of the Mississippi--don't know if that is true. I drove my Dad's 1954 no frills Ford to MacDonalds in 1956 on Sunday evenings after church with a boat load of friends. I had no license and was not supposed to go anywhere but church and home--Real rebel, huh?
What was the occasion for the crowd--more people than I ever remember seeing in downtown Hessville. Was it for the shows at the Ace? The guy walking most close to the camera, under the Janc's sign looks like Karl Loshe who was in my graduating class.
Thanks for the memories!
[purple]Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville![purple] |
04-19-2007
( Reply#: 1270 ) |
svea3 |
YES, that is ...Karl Lohse, one of my many cousins.[8)] |
04-19-2007
( Reply#: 1271 ) |
wvcogs |
I don't have the exact dates since the dates on the archives are not reliable. For example, the date on the McDonald's picture is 1951; but Ray Kroc did not open his first one in Des Plaines, Illinois until 1955. My guess is that this McDonald's photo was taken in 1956. The Fat Boy probably was at the same time.
The date on the downtown Hessville photo is listed as 1961. I don't believe that. It is more like 1956 or '57. The crowd looks like a political gathering more than anything else. It's interesting about the movies. Anchors Aweigh was made in 1945 with Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelly. Two movies named High Society were made in the 1950s. One, a comedy with the Bowery Boys (remember them?), was made in 1955. Another, a musical with Frank Sinatra and Grace Kelly, was made in 1956. My guess is that this was the Bowery Boys movie since it was listed as the second feature. Although, since the marquee says F Sinatra and G Kelly, it could be the musical. I wasn't there, were you? It's interesting to speculate.
For the Hansen Branch photo the date is listed as 1961. I'm not sure about that. Your guess is as good as mine.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-19-2007
( Reply#: 1272 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
YES, that is ...Karl Lohse, one of my many cousins.[8)]
I sent this pic to my mother and she said that she remembered a Lohse (pronounced it low-see) from E. Chicago, but did not have a first name........CJ |
04-19-2007
( Reply#: 1273 ) |
svea3 |
East Chicago was not that far away. My Great Uncle , a grad from Valpo, was Treasurer there in 1905
All the Lohse's in the entire area came from my Great great Grandfather Friederich August Heinrich [FAH]Lohse and his first wife Johanne Menche from Altenburg, Saxony[Germany]who came here in the 1840's. Karl was my second cousin as his father and my father were first cousins.[:I] |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1275 ) |
S C Jones |
Wow--the idea of six degrees of separation comes to mind[:)]
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
YES, that is ...Karl Lohse, one of my many cousins.[8)]
[purple]Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville![purple] |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1276 ) |
svea3 |
I know, and it is exciting.[:)]
Now my GreatGrandfather, Bernhardt Lohse and his brother George Arthur were farmers out by 169th to past Black Oak Road. The Nickle Plate RR ran through diagonally. There was a huge slough out there , where there are probably a lot of houses now. My Father sold the last of the farm in the late 50'sand before that Bernhardt gave the property for the Caldwell School. [8)]
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04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1277 ) |
S C Jones |
One of our next door neighbor ladies in Grand Park had connections, through marriage, to the Hess family--closest I come to "Hessville Royalty" [:)]
We always called the farmer Scottie who owned the fields between Kentucky Ave.(the east side of the property) in Grand Park and Parish Ave. (the west side of the property, bordering the North side of the Nickle Plate RR --but I don't know what his name was.
(I assume he was Scottish, but who knows!) We used his field (farmer's field) as a shortcut to school and beautiful downtown Hessville--or we walked the tracks--until an engineer was hit with a rock thrown by a kid and we then had a law laid down that kept us off the tracks. I still have dreams of walking through that field, but the dreams always have me lost and searching for the road from the field to town!! --that would be Parish to 172 and past OLPH.
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
I know, and it is exciting.[:)]
Now my GreatGrandfather, Bernhardt Lohse and his brother George Arthur were farmers out by 169th to past Black Oak Road. The Nickle Plate RR ran through diagonally. There was a huge slough out there , where there are probably a lot of houses now. My Father sold the last of the farm in the late 50'sand before that Bernhardt gave the property for the Caldwell School. [8)]
[purple]Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville![purple] |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1278 ) |
svea3 |
SC:
As far as I know, he was 100% German. Parrish Ave was to the East of the property. My GreatAunt Caroline Lohse was the last to live there. [That's my Grandmother's sister]Her last husband was name Braun. another German. Now my Great Uncle Bill Lohse was a Blacksmith and his shop was on 171st and the alley between Kennedy /Marshall. That was only one block from Morton.
As a kid I could never understand why my Grandfather was asked to speak at our 8th Grade, as an oldster I have some idea. He had some great stories. [8)] |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1279 ) |
emttt |
Hey guys,
I am not from the region; I am from central Illinois, but I hae enjoyed the tour through Hessville via your memories.(I hope you don't mind my stowing away.)
I believe that I was born a little too late as I love stories of the older times when everyone knew their neighbors, and people didn't seem to be so rushed. That's what drew me to ACS in the first place.
I graduated high school in 1984 and the town that I grew up in did not have half of what it sounds like Hessville had, and by the time I was in high school what was there was dying due to the mall. (I HATE MALLS!!!!)
I have three children ranging in age from 7-18, and they are not going to have any really good stories of when they were young. You can't have any good stories about the pimply faced kids who do not know what service is who work at the mall.
I did live in Chicago in the late 80's/early 90's, and I was saddened by the way that the neighborhoods that made that city so vibrant in the past were dying, because of the lack of the mom & pop stores. There was a Golblatt's there that I shopped at once when I first moved to Chicago, but it closed not long after.
So I hope you don't mind if I check in every now and then to live the gold old dyas vicariously through you.[:)] |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1280 ) |
emttt |
The things that I really miss from when I was growing up are the Drive In movies, A&W Drive in restaurant( I know it's not a mom & pop like you had in Hessville.), and the Earl Theater. The Earl was a small movie house that would show movies after they had their initial run; it cost 25 cents to get in. Occasionally they would get a first run movie; like when they got the first Star Trek movie, but the cost never went up. Our earth science teacher my freshman year of high school was a big Star Trek fan, so when the movie came out he took our class to the movie as a school field trip. |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1282 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello emttt and welcome. Stop by any time. You would have fit in perfectly in the community of Hessville. I'm happy to see that your science teacher back in your freshman year took your class to see the Star Trek movie. "Live Long and Prosper."
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1283 ) |
seejay2 |
Hey Ken!
I'm heading back to the old country in about an hour. I'll grab a pic of Eastwood's church, anything else?......CJ |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1284 ) |
wvcogs |
I was thinking about asking for a pix of the old homestead, but the current resident just might come out with a shotgun if he or she sees some pointing a camera at the house, so better not. That's a different place than the one you shot earlier. Thanks.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1285 ) |
seejay2 |
I'll bet my shotgun's bigger than his! Where?....CJ |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1287 ) |
wvcogs |
6842 Carolina -- I believe it's the fourth house from 169th on the west side.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1288 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by emttt
Hey guys,
I am not from the region; I am from central Illinois, but I hae enjoyed the tour through Hessville via your memories.(I hope you don't mind my stowing away.)
I believe that I was born a little too late as I love stories of the older times when everyone knew their neighbors, and people didn't seem to be so rushed. That's what drew me to ACS in the first place.
I graduated high school in 1984 and the town that I grew up in did not have half of what it sounds like Hessville had, and by the time I was in high school what was there was dying due to the mall. (I HATE MALLS!!!!)
I have three children ranging in age from 7-18, and they are not going to have any really good stories of when they were young. You can't have any good stories about the pimply faced kids who do not know what service is who work at the mall.
I did live in Chicago in the late 80's/early 90's, and I was saddened by the way that the neighborhoods that made that city so vibrant in the past were dying, because of the lack of the mom & pop stores. There was a Golblatt's there that I shopped at once when I first moved to Chicago, but it closed not long after.
So I hope you don't mind if I check in every now and then to live the gold old dyas vicariously through you.[:)]
Where from in Central Illinois? I go to Taylorville on business once in a while.
How far from Springfield are you? You could get a "taste" of the good old days by trying some Maid-Rite hamburgers or cheeseburgers.
Glad you have joined us. I'm sorry that you don't have all the wonderful memories that most of us "old timers" have, but you are welcome to help yourself to our memories and to take part in the discussions here.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1290 ) |
svea3 |
EMMITT WELCOME JUST JOIN IN..
Eastwood was just super. That was the church in which I was raised.It was/is beautiful. I took my daughter to see it for my OLPMHS reunion (which you Ken didn't make!)[:0] for John Melton and our choir. Mrs Leonore Melton was a grad of HHS playing clarinet and organ. Their daughter Marie is in Champaign IL directing a band. Carl played for the Marine Band last I knew.[8)]
I will not divulge what Ken played, but I was the Oboeist.[:o)] |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1292 ) |
S C Jones |
Linda, do you know who owned the little store on 173rd and Parish? That was a place we stopped on the way home from school if we went the long way. One winter, Joanne Poole and I were the only one's to go to school--we walked as far as that store and had to go in to defrost--literally had icicles in our noses----After getting to school and finding that everyone else in our neighborhood stayed home because it was so cold, I regretted for years having gone on that day!! Then again, Joanne and I kinda felt like heroines braving the great outdoors.[8D]
Parish school was on the opposite corner, I think--I went to first and second grades in that little wooden building. I was hit by a car on the way to school--we were playing tag and I dodged to miss a tag and ran into the path of a car driven by a one-eyed (no lie) mailman--that man's daughter married Nickolas Kiklos who owned Kelly's drive in and for whom I worked as a 16 year old. 173rd at that time was a coal cinder rather than a blacktopped road. I had lots of scratches from that car accident which threw me for a distance--No broken bones, though. [^]
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
SC:
As far as I know, he was 100% German. Parrish Ave was to the East of the property. My GreatAunt Caroline Lohse was the last to live there. [That's my Grandmother's sister]Her last husband was name Braun. another German. Now my Great Uncle Bill Lohse was a Blacksmith and his shop was on 171st and the alley between Kennedy /Marshall. That was only one block from Morton.
As a kid I could never understand why my Grandfather was asked to speak at our 8th Grade, as an oldster I have some idea. He had some great stories. [8)]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1293 ) |
svea3 |
SC:
My dad owned several buildings and I think that was one of them. I lived at 173rd and Kennedy. Say, do you remember the Christmas Tree with the flashing lights? Well, that was my dad's operation. It was really nice cause I had this huge tree shining into my windows for the month [8)] Joan was a good friend of mine. Do you remember when she shaved her arm hair?[:(!] I said to her why do you want to do that? It will come in like bristles? |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1294 ) |
S C Jones |
Yes, I do remember the Christmas tree--lucky you! I do not remember her shaving her arms, but I do remember that she had lots of hair on her arms. She always seemed to be a beauty pageant type to me. Probably because she was a bit older than I and was tall--I never got beyond 5' 1 and 1/2. Did you know Patsy Keefer? I think she and Joan were in the same grade--not sure though.
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
SC:
My dad owned several buildings and I think that was one of them. I lived at 173rd and Kennedy. Say, do you remember the Christmas Tree with the flashing lights? Well, that was my dad's operation. It was really nice cause I had this huge tree shining into my windows for the month [8)] Joan was a good friend of mine. Do you remember when she shaved her arm hair?[:(!] I said to her why do you want to do that? It will come in like bristles?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1298 ) |
Pro2am |
SC,
Was the store right on the northeast corner of the 173rd-Parrish Ave. intersection? If so, then I imagine it's the structure I've been familiar with since the early 1960s. Here's a little history on the building.
Back in the '50s we lived on Magoun Ave. (6912, 3 doors south of 169th St.) in Woodmar. On the northwest corner of the Magoun-169th St. intersection was a small builing that housed a barbershop named Darnell's (I can't recall his first name). We moved to Hessville in early 1962 (7340 California Ave., a few doors south of 173rd St. and Hessville Park). It was somewhere around this time that Darnell relocated his barbershop to Hessville - in that building on the corner of 173rd and Parrish (personally I never knew it used to be a store). He took on a younger barber as his assistant, a guy named Doug Paris from Woodmar (Doug's younger brother Terry and I were classmates at OLPH; coincidentally, we both currently work for Union Tank Car Co. in East Chicago). Several years later Darnell passed away (I forget if this was while he still ran the barber shop or if he'd already quit the business) and Doug Paris took over as head barber. At this time I am not certain if he still has the shop in that building (I rarely go through that area anymore). But the building itself is still there.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
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quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Linda, do you know who owned the little store on 173rd and Parish? That was a place we stopped on the way home from school if we went the long way. One winter, Joanne Poole and I were the only one's to go to school--we walked as far as that store and had to go in to defrost--literally had icicles in our noses----After getting to school and finding that everyone else in our neighborhood stayed home because it was so cold, I regretted for years having gone on that day!! Then again, Joanne and I kinda felt like heroines braving the great outdoors.[8D]
Parish school was on the opposite corner, I think--I went to first and second grades in that little wooden building. I was hit by a car on the way to school--we were playing tag and I dodged to miss a tag and ran into the path of a car driven by a one-eyed (no lie) mailman--that man's daughter married Nickolas Kiklos who owned Kelly's drive in and for whom I worked as a 16 year old. 173rd at that time was a coal cinder rather than a blacktopped road. I had lots of scratches from that car accident which threw me for a distance--No broken bones, though. [^]
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
SC:
As far as I know, he was 100% German. Parrish Ave was to the East of the property. My GreatAunt Caroline Lohse was the last to live there. [That's my Grandmother's sister]Her last husband was name Braun. another German. Now my Great Uncle Bill Lohse was a Blacksmith and his shop was on 171st and the alley between Kennedy /Marshall. That was only one block from Morton.
As a kid I could never understand why my Grandfather was asked to speak at our 8th Grade, as an oldster I have some idea. He had some great stories. [8)]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
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04-20-2007
( Reply#: 1299 ) |
S C Jones |
Yes, Mike that is where the store was. I think it had changed from a grocery-type store before I left the area in 1960-61. If fact, it may not have been grocery when Joan and I stopped there to get warmed up before going on that day.
Isn't it interesting how some buildings stay "forever" (at least as we know forever) and others get demolished at the blink of an eye--which is happening more and more and faster and faster where I live now because the developers are on a tear to get new, bigger, houses on less and less land--density of population is the phrase that is thrown around here by the gov't entities as a good thing. Time will tell. Too much forced closeness of people can cause much hostility and can get ugly. [V]
quote:
Originally posted by Pro2am
SC,
Was the store right on the northeast corner of the 173rd-Parrish Ave. intersection? If so, then I imagine it's the structure I've been familiar with since the early 1960s. Here's a little history on the building.
Back in the '50s we lived on Magoun Ave. (6912, 3 doors south of 169th St.) in Woodmar. On the northwest corner of the Magoun-169th St. intersection was a small builing that housed a barbershop named Darnell's (I can't recall his first name). We moved to Hessville in early 1962 (7340 California Ave., a few doors south of 173rd St. and Hessville Park). It was somewhere around this time that Darnell relocated his barbershop to Hessville - in that building on the corner of 173rd and Parrish (personally I never knew it used to be a store). He took on a younger barber as his assistant, a guy named Doug Paris from Woodmar (Doug's younger brother Terry and I were classmates at OLPH; coincidentally, we both currently work for Union Tank Car Co. in East Chicago). Several years later Darnell passed away (I forget if this was while he still ran the barber shop or if he'd already quit the business) and Doug Paris took over as head barber. At this time I am not certain if he still has the shop in that building (I rarely go through that area anymore). But the building itself is still there.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
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quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Linda, do you know who owned the little store on 173rd and Parish? That was a place we stopped on the way home from school if we went the long way. One winter, Joanne Poole and I were the only one's to go to school--we walked as far as that store and had to go in to defrost--literally had icicles in our noses----After getting to school and finding that everyone else in our neighborhood stayed home because it was so cold, I regretted for years having gone on that day!! Then again, Joanne and I kinda felt like heroines braving the great outdoors.[8D]
Parish school was on the opposite corner, I think--I went to first and second grades in that little wooden building. I was hit by a car on the way to school--we were playing tag and I dodged to miss a tag and ran into the path of a car driven by a one-eyed (no lie) mailman--that man's daughter married Nickolas Kiklos who owned Kelly's drive in and for whom I worked as a 16 year old. 173rd at that time was a coal cinder rather than a blacktopped road. I had lots of scratches from that car accident which threw me for a distance--No broken bones, though. [^]
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
SC:
As far as I know, he was 100% German. Parrish Ave was to the East of the property. My GreatAunt Caroline Lohse was the last to live there. [That's my Grandmother's sister]Her last husband was name Braun. another German. Now my Great Uncle Bill Lohse was a Blacksmith and his shop was on 171st and the alley between Kennedy /Marshall. That was only one block from Morton.
As a kid I could never understand why my Grandfather was asked to speak at our 8th Grade, as an oldster I have some idea. He had some great stories. [8)]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1301 ) |
svea3 |
SC:
[8D]Want to thank you,too. Seeings how I am just a great grand daughter of the'RiverRat', that was Bernhardt Lohse's nicname as he was always fishing in the Little Calumet. Those people's stories of such things as keeping their meat in a brine solution in a container on their front porch are still alive a century and a half later. They had no refrigeration! [8)] We are lucky to be alive now!
Linda |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1302 ) |
seejay2 |
OK Ken, the time has come. Yes, indeed my shotgun was bigger, but I was even happier not having to display it.
Here is the 6842 address.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/6842.jpg
As I had said earlier, Rev. Eastwood just passed away on Feb. 13 of this year at age 95. Yeah I broke the gentleman's "photo links only, please" rule, but it's a little bitty picture.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Eastwood.jpg[/IMG]
The church still carries the Covenant Presbyterian title.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Pressign.jpg
Here are two more photos of the church as it is today.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Presfront.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Presaddon.jpg
Here is a bonus pic for you! Do I have the right place?
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Bonus.jpg
This next part is for Mike Rapchak. We had been talking about where Granny's may have been located. As I remembered, it was right next door, to the south, of what was the State Farm office (now a tattoo joint)at the time.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/StFarm.jpg
I remember a building right next door because it offered perfect cover for us as we used to go behind the St. Farm office during lunch to smoke cigarettes. But now, as you can see, there is an empty lot there.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/MTlot.jpg
But there is a place next to the lot that could have been Granny's. Maybe it will hit you in the face. I just flat out don't remember now. I wouldn't take too much time though, as it looks like Triffids are about to overwhelm the place. Take away the aluminum vestibule, and it could be the place. You tell me.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Granny.jpg
or even the next place
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/DSC01144.jpg
Maybe the next pic will help jolt the memory...........CJ
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Granny2-1.jpg |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1303 ) |
svea3 |
Thanks for all the great photos. The church looks as Eastwood is shining down on it. He was such an inspiration. His words of explanation are always coming back to me when I go to church. Where is he laid to rest?[?]
Now the other buildings and spots bring back memories too. I love the last one! haha[:D] |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1305 ) |
seejay2 |
Dr. John H. Eastwood, D.D. Hessville, IN Dr. John H. Eastwood, D.D., age 95, of Hessville, passed away on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at Community Hospital in Munster. He is survived by his wife of 63 years Shirley (nee Baker); four children: Mark (Ilene) Eastwood of Hammond; Martha (James) Sutkowski of Griffith, Rebecca Boydston of Champaign, IL, David Eastwood of Mead, NE; eight grandchildren Kristine (Paul) McDonald, Alan Sutkowski, James M. Eastwood, Jonathan (Alisha) Eastwood, William D. (Cleta) Eastwood, James D. Eastwood, Elizabeth and Desiree Stubbee; five great-grandchildren: Elijah, Emma and Lauren Eastwood, Macy and Riley Sutkowski; one sister-in-law Elizabeth Eastwood of Texas. Preceded in death by his parents, Frank and Elizabeth Eastwood; one brother Richard Eastwood and two sisters: Winifred and Gertrude Eastwood. Funeral services will be held on Saturday, February 17, 2007 at 10:00 a.m. directly at Covenant Presbyterian Church, 6709 Arizona Ave, Hammond (Hessville) with Pastor James A. Thomson, officiating. Burial to follow at Elmwood Cemetery in Hammond. Friends are invited to meet with the family on Friday, February 16, 2007 at Bocken Funeral Home, 7042 Kennedy Avenue, Hammond (Hessville) from 2-4 and 6-8 p.m. There will be a time of viewing at the church on Saturday morning from 9:30 until the time of service at 10:00 a.m. John was born and grew up on his parent's farm in Pawnee, NE where he confessed his faith in Christ and joined the Mission Creek Presbyterian Church. As a young man he felt called to be a minister. John was active in football through his high school and college years. He graduated from Tarkio College in 1935. He then traveled to Assiut, Egypt and taught English for 3 years. When he returned to the states. John attended Princeton Seminary and received his degree in Theology in 1941. John's first ministry was in Minden, NE where he met Shirley Baker. They were married in 1943 at her parent's home near Souix City, Iowa. John enlisted in the Army Air Corps and was assigned to the 464th Bomb Group in Italy. Where as a chaplain he ministered to the service men who flew bombing missions in the WWII European Theatre. During his service he wrote 980 letters to families of airmen killed or missing in action. At the end of the war he accepted a calling to minister at the First United Presbyterian Church of Monmouth, IL where he also taught courses at Monmouth College. In 1953 the family moved to Hammond, IN to minister at Covenant Presbyterian Church. During his many years of service at Covenant John touched the lives of many people. John was a author and published three books of his sermons. During his retirement years John served as the first pastor to the Faith Presbyterian Church in La Porte. He will be missed by his family and all who knew him. In lieu of flowers the family is requesting contributions be made to the memorial fund at Covenant Presbyterian Church, 6709 Arizona Avenue, Hammond, IN 46323. For further information please call Bocken Funeral Home at 219-844-1600. |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1306 ) |
wvcogs |
Thanks CJ. If that's the place across from IBEW, you got it. I'm glad we were there only a short time when we first moved to the area. The only good thing about it was that the "new" Cande's was right next door.
I attended services mostly in the Covenant building on 167th and Arizona, but a few times in the newer one after it was completed. The last time I saw Dr. Eastwood was at our wedding in 1963.
Thanks for all the memories.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1307 ) |
seejay2 |
Think of all the "cool" places, like Cande's, that have fallen over the years; and Blue Top which is about to go, but that place(across from IBEW) still stands. Why?
Glad you enjoyed the others....CJ |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1308 ) |
S C Jones |
CJ, thanks for the pics. Is that Moochie running from Granny's ghost? [:)]
One of my best friends from the neighborhood sent me the obit. for Eastwood back in Feburary. Her family attended Covenant in the 50's and beyond. She is now down state Indiana. The man had a lot of influence on the people of Hessville--he and Ramker were classy people.
Do any of you know if Mike Ventrella was the last owner of Cande's? Mike was an older brother to Ken who was a 1958 grad. Mike got into some kind of trouble that landed him in prison in the early to mid 1950's. The first I ever knew of him was when he jumped over the fence at the "new--then" swimming pool in Hessville park and saved a drowning
child. The prison story came out in the Hammond Times with a picture telling of Mike's heroic act.
In 1961 or 62, when I came home for a summer, I went to Cande's and the waiter told me that Mike was the owner.
Also, on a heavier note, do any of you recall the Opal Collins murders in 1954 or 5? Took place out on Orchard Drive/Black Oak Road--she shot her mother-in-law, two sister-in-laws, and her parapalegic husband. After shooting them, she ran to her next door neighbors--who were the Taylors recently moved from Grand Park--and said "I just shot the whole damn family." The oldest sister-in-law, Martha, was in my homeroom and I had gone to their home for an evening meal about 3 mos. before Opal came to live with them. --This memory was brought back to me by the VT killings. [:(]
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Think of all the "cool" places, like Cande's, that have fallen over the years; and Blue Top which is about to go, but that place(across from IBEW) still stands. Why?
Glad you enjoyed the others....CJ
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1309 ) |
wvcogs |
And thanks from me also for posting the obituary. I found one of Eastwood's books on Amazon.com and ordered it. That's no guarantee that I will ever read the sermons; but at least I'll have his autographed book in my collection. Who knows, maybe someday???
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1310 ) |
svea3 |
SC:
I remember the killings. For anyone who thinks that crimes and shootings are a newthing....NOT.
Ken played Coronet sitting two rows behind me. The French Horns were in between. The last time I saw Ken was when he was with the Indiana University Marching Band at Michigan State University in East Lansing. [Oboes don't play anything but American flags and guns] John Melton,picolo player for John Philip Sousa ,was a terrific Band Director.
OH a special thanks to the posting of the Eastwood obit. He was my parents' age and I never realized that. I am going to send it to my brother, who is a physician in Lafayette,IN. [8)]
TO EVERYONE[:0]
YOU ARE ALL INVITED TO THE DREAM CRUISE WOODWARD AVENUE this August. This is where they parade all the cars we know from our youth. This is the World's largest Cruise. was.
I live on an Island and the geography is just liike Hammond/Hessville. They refine Marathon Gas here, so it is like Whiting. Detroit has a huge basin of salt underneath.
LINDA '60 OPMorton [from Kindergarten through HS] [8)]
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04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1311 ) |
Pro2am |
Cris,
First of all let me offer a genuine Thank You for posting all those photos of what may or may not have been the location of Grandma's Delicatessan. And the last one is a hoot! :-)
To be honest, I'm still very uncertain of its exact location. I pass by the structures quite frequently - epsecially on Fridays as I conduct my financial affairs with the Regional Fedderal Credit Union down Kennedy Ave. across from Hessville Park - which brings to mind another long-gone business: the little Dairy-Queen-type ice cream place that used to be where the credit union is now. Anyone remember it and its name (I should be able to but can't at the moment)?
A couple of summers ago my brother Larry and I did an in-depth tour of the area around Kennedy Ave., OLPH school, etc. Larry has excellent recall and a near-photographic memory when it comes to our childhood experiences. Yet neither he nor I could recall which store was Granny's. Interestingly, we were both drawn to the structure you featured - the one with Moochie's Tap in it. We still aren't certain if that was the one, but it seemed the most likely candidate (that enclosed entrance thingy jutting out from the front of the building confuses things some). If that is the correct building, then, IIRC, Granny's store was the north section (on the right side in the photos). But again, I could be mistaken. Arrgghh!! :-)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
OK Ken, the time has come. Yes, indeed my shotgun was bigger, but I was even happier not having to display it.
Here is the 6842 address.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/6842.jpg
As I had said earlier, Rev. Eastwood just passed away on Feb. 13 of this year at age 95. Yeah I broke the gentleman's "photo links only, please" rule, but it's a little bitty picture.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Eastwood.jpg[/IMG]
The church still carries the Covenant Presbyterian title.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Pressign.jpg
Here are two more photos of the church as it is today.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Presfront.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Presaddon.jpg
Here is a bonus pic for you! Do I have the right place?
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Bonus.jpg
This next part is for Mike Rapchak. We had been talking about where Granny's may have been located. As I remembered, it was right next door, to the south, of what was the State Farm office (now a tattoo joint)at the time.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/StFarm.jpg
I remember a building right next door because it offered perfect cover for us as we used to go behind the St. Farm office during lunch to smoke cigarettes. But now, as you can see, there is an empty lot there.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/MTlot.jpg
But there is a place next to the lot that could have been Granny's. Maybe it will hit you in the face. I just flat out don't remember now. I wouldn't take too much time though, as it looks like Triffids are about to overwhelm the place. Take away the aluminum vestibule, and it could be the place. You tell me.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Granny.jpg
or even the next place
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/DSC01144.jpg
Maybe the next pic will help jolt the memory...........CJ
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Granny2-1.jpg
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04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1312 ) |
seejay2 |
The place you refer to where the credit union is now was Park-View. I can't remember the name of the family who owned it, but I remember their daughter from Morton having blond hair and that's all. They sold the place after she graduated (not right away) and moved to wherever. Maybe I'll scour the couple of yearbooks I have and get lucky...CJ
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Parkview.jpg |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1313 ) |
wvcogs |
The football game that Linda mentioned, which Indiana lost to Michigan State of course, was in the fall of 1961. Some girl from Michigan State whom I recognized came down to the front row of the stands and asked if there was anyone in the IU Marching Hundred from Hammond. Forty five years after that, as a result of communications following the MHS class of 1960 reunion, Linda and I discovered that our ancestors six generations back were brothers, Samuel and Henry Haupt I believe.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1314 ) |
svea3 |
Yup Ken and I are cousins from the Revolutionary War! I am helping him to become a SONS of the AMERICAN REVOLUTION.[8)]
The Bogan's had a place right there practically the foot of Black Oak Road. Judy was the Secretary of the 1961 class.She was a tall blonde. Her dad just passed at the end of last year. Her MOM ran the place. Mom is in a home in Ohio close to Judy. Judy has no children and since they are both retired they live part of the year in Nevis. Her house there has been featured in Archtectural Digest. They sail their boat out of Cedar Point, OH. She was one of the people who got an A in Mr Wauro's art class. She taught ART in Shaker Heights/Cleveland Heights and now part time at Kent State.[:)]
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04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1315 ) |
wvcogs |
A few months ago I bought a DVD from Mid-America Heritage Foundation that includes old home movies from the 1950s and '60 of Hammond and Hessville. There is a short clip of the construction of Carney's Dairy Store and then a shot of the completed store on Orchard Drive (Black Oak Road). Does anyone remember this store? I very seldom made it out that way. The background music on the DVD is a Jan Gabriel WJOB show.
By the way, the art teacher, Mr. Wauro, became Mr. Waring sometime in the early 1960s -- same person, different name...
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1316 ) |
seejay2 |
Yes Sir! The Carney family. Carl Carney went on to become a Hammond cop. I went to school with him. I also totalled out a Triumph Bonneville about a block east of there, not that it has any bearing but it sure helps me remember the place.......CJ |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1317 ) |
wvcogs |
Hey guys and gals -- Here's what I hope is another space saving suggestion.
Please consider not including lengthy quotes from other members' posts in your new posts. Many times these quotes are even longer than your new information, and we generally know what you are referring to anyway. Thanks very much.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1318 ) |
svea3 |
Sandy Kessler's dad was a cop. Cop Kessler's dad was the barber on Kennedy. Cop Kessler ran a TV repair shop next door to the barber shop. Dedelow's was two doors to the north.[:o)] |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1319 ) |
Pro2am |
Ken,
Oops - I did it again. :-)
The reason I include the quotes is so that readers will know which post I'm replying to. If you feel that this isn't ncessary then perhaps we can forego the process.
What do other posters have to say about this (to me personally the quotes are no problem)?
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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Originally posted by wvcogs
Hey guys and gals -- Here's what I hope is another space saving suggestion.
Please consider not including lengthy quotes from other members' posts in your new posts. Many times these quotes are even longer than your new information, and we generally know what you are referring to anyway. Thanks very much.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
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04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1320 ) |
wvcogs |
Whatever -- Just thought we could save some space on Mr. Clavin's server.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1321 ) |
Tom J |
Has our gracious host, Mr. Clavin, communicated any need for our conserving of server space? I'm far from an expert on this stuff, but it is my understanding that text takes up very little memory, so including quotes from other posts in our replies should not be a problem.
I appreciate having this place to reminisce, and I will gladly cooperate, if we need to be so mindful of server space that we do not use the quote feature.
Posting a lot of pictures on a page will make the loading time extremely long for that page for those who have dial-up connections, so I can understand the need to limit the pictures. I'm not sure that refraining from the quoting of previous posts is really necessary, though. If it is, then I will comply.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1322 ) |
S C Jones |
Re: KesslerÑdid Sandy have a sister named Judy? I'll bet she did--or a cousin. Judy was a 1958 graduate of Ye Ole' Morton High.
BTW--glad you two cousins found each other after years of being within shouting distance.
Re: the replying w/o quoting--is there a way to do that without having to login? Laziness is my excuse for that question. It is just easier to click on a symbol---and my goodness don't we need things to be easier in America? [:)] I don't really have a complaint about the copying of quotes being left out, and I haven't tried it, but a portion of a quote may be copiable (word?) and pasteable (no way that's a word).
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1323 ) |
wvcogs |
SC -- Just go to the top or bottom of the page and click on "Reply to Topic."
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1324 ) |
svea3 |
Sandy had two brothers, Richard and Robert . I talked to Robert last year. He was a teacher in Wisconsin.[ Marge Burton Van Til connected us]
Sandy passed away before our reunion. Since her dad had all these tv boxes we made a huge house in her back yard in about 3rd-4th grade. They were all connected with furniture and stuff. It was like amaze. Then a big storm came and soggy boxes didn't last through it.. Patty Van Gorp,VirginiaRakos, Judy Bogan, Carol Popp, Sandy and I were the gang.[8)]
Judy was just our friend and that is the only Judy from Elementary days.. |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1325 ) |
seejay2 |
Which electric shop did cop Kessler run?.......CJ |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1326 ) |
svea3 |
The one across from Atrim's Trucking on the West side of Kennedy. |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1327 ) |
S C Jones |
Ken, thanks---I guess I had a senior moment!
Linda, that box story reminds me our using an appliance box (refrig or stove) to play in the street after a big snow. We enjoyed that more than our sleds.
Where was Bocken's Funeral Home--wasn't it across from the Atrium Trucking?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-21-2007
( Reply#: 1328 ) |
svea3 |
They were both on the East side= one on the NE and the other on the SE corner. I lived on the westside of Kennedy. "Hub-Cap", the son, used to go to school with us. [8)] |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1329 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
... I don't really have a complaint about the copying of quotes being left out, and I haven't tried it, but a portion of a quote may be copiable (word?) and pasteable (no way that's a word) ...
Why not choose Reply, then edit out parts of the original post that aren't directly relevant, as I have done here?
You should: (1) indicate omissions by ellipses (three dots) ... and (2) make sure that your editing hasn't changed the meaning. (That would be a problem on, for instance, political sites; I doubt if it will be much of a problem here.)
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1330 ) |
Bill Bucko |
It was ARTIM'S trucking. In 3rd or 4th grade we went on a field trip there.
I searched the Hammond phone book, and there's no such firm anymore.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1331 ) |
svea3 |
In the white pages? I remember rather large family. I could do a search maybe when I get home from choir.church. Our choir has been invited to China for the Olympics 2008.[8)] |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1332 ) |
emttt |
Where from in Central Illinois? I go to Taylorville on business once in a while.
How far from Springfield are you? You could get a "taste" of the good old days by trying some Maid-Rite hamburgers or cheeseburgers.
Glad you have joined us. I'm sorry that you don't have all the wonderful memories that most of us "old timers" have, but you are welcome to help yourself to our memories and to take part in the discussions here.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
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I am from the Galesburg area originally, but now I live in Peoria. I am about 35-45 minutes from Springfield. We have a Maid-Rite here in Peoria, and we had one in Galesburg as well. However, I do not know if they are officially sanctioned.
Thanks to all for welcoming me. |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1333 ) |
svea3 |
Get out the phone books, maybe. As I recall Artim is Greek and there was a Greek cemetery in 1903 in Hessville. Go to the Greek Orthodox Church in town.
THEN JULLIA Emma Marie Artim died 19 Jul1991 in Griffth she was married to a John Chappey. Chappey is dead and they had a daughter who married a fellow named Joseph Laisch., who died in 1994. NOW there should be some Laisch's around. I haven't checked public records for Northern Indiana.
To review Chappey,Laisch are the names to need to be found. There was also a Laisch female who married a NEAL [8] |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1334 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
. . .Why not choose Reply, then edit out parts of the original post that aren't directly relevant, as I have done here?
Yes, Bill, thanks. And, since we are editing, shouldn't there be space between dots in ellipsis? I'm kidding! Artim is what I meant! I just had a little too much computer yesterday and too little sleep. [8D] I love it that this place (as yet) has no bickering. Thanks for the help.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
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Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1335 ) |
seejay2 |
We'll call your John Chappy John I. I went to school with John III, who died in VietNam. He was married, but I don't remember her name. I know I have the obit around here somewhere.
His father, John II married Lorraine Fertal. They had the boy and I think 2 girls, one for sure. The name Colette comes to mind. John II died a couple years back, but Lorraine is alive somewhere. They were one of the first families to move onto Parrish Ave. as it was being developed......CJ |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1336 ) |
svea3 |
SC and Bill
re: replying
Artim was the trucking company across from Bocken's Funeral Home. I really wonder if Hub Cap is there.He would know about Artim |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1337 ) |
S C Jones |
I see now, that I don't get full capability to edit, etc. unless I login--at least that appears to be the case. The icons are limited on the posts of "reply".
Bear with me, I'll get it!
Wasn't there a Ron Bocken at Morton?
And, have any of you remembered the Hitching Post? It was rare that I had the money to go there, but it was THE place for the COOL kids to hang out [8D]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1338 ) |
S C Jones |
Do any of you remember Bonnie Crites who lived on Parrish? She was a red head--her parents were divorced---the only kid I knew of whose parents were divorced! Have things changed or what?
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
The name Colette comes to mind. John II died a couple years back, but Lorraine is alive somewhere. They were one of the first families to move onto Parrish Ave. as it was being developed......CJ
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1339 ) |
svea3 |
No, to Bonnie. I wasn't allowed to go to the Hitchin Post. TOUGH LOVE... golly then I was lectured and grounded because my dad heard three girls criticizing one of my classmates at Janc's soda fountain. I plead "But dad, I wasn't even there!" My parents ran a tight ship![8)]
Hubcap was his nicname among us. It was an affectionate type name. |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1340 ) |
seejay2 |
I keep hearing about this Hitching Post. Where and when exactly was this place?.......CJ |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1341 ) |
wvcogs |
Southeast corner of 170th and Kennedy. It was still there when I graduated. There was an ad for The Hitching Post in the 1961 Top Hat but not in the 1962.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1342 ) |
eyebab |
I just got back from 2 wks in NM and was glad to see all the new posts and to read through them and tickle the old memory.
Just to add a few tid bits to those who may be interested.... I took Joanne Poole to the senior prom in 1957.
I lived at 7508 Marshall....just south of Morton..and close to 173rd and Kennedy, where I used to ride my bike to the grocery there. Back then my parents would give me a quarter to go get either a loaf of bread, quart of milk, or a pack of Chesterfield...and there would be change.
There was a Kessler who played starting forward for the Morton Governors basketball team in the mid fifties. It was the same team that Ted Guzek played on. Ted went on to a brilliant callege career at Butler, set many records there and played along side Bobby Plump...the one who scored the winning bucket for Milan High School in 1954 to win the Indiana State tournament in a historic upset that inspired the movie "Hoosiers."
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04-22-2007
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wvcogs |
Here's an interesting explanation about the geography of the Calumet area of Northwest Indiana that appeared in the Mortonite, the student newspaper of Oliver P. Morton High School, on Friday, November 30, 1956, the year when eyebab was a senior at the school. This was Vol. III, No. 5 of the paper. Cecelia Clark and Pat Palmer were co-editors. Other staff members were Carl Melton, Glenn Schram, Beverly Boesch, Lynne Fitzwater, Alice Hopman, Dolores Walker, Judy Howard, Ronald Daun, Bill Shannon, Marcia Franke, Sheila Beck, and Anne Brant.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/CalumetArea.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1344 ) |
svea3 |
Joanne Poole? Was that Don's sister? They were Mormons, I think
[8)]. |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1345 ) |
svea3 |
wvcogs:
The article on DA REGION was su[:0]per. |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1346 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Joanne Poole? Was that Don's sister? They were Mormons, I think
[8)].
Yes, Don and Joanne were/are siblings. I do not know if the family was Mormon or not.
The only family in Grand Park I knew to be Mormon were the Kuschels--the older daughter, Judy, went to Tech after Jr. High at Morton where she socked John Fekete in the eye for whatever!
Ken, that is an awesome addition to our little "archive of info". I recognize the names and can put faces to Cecelia Clarke, Judy Howard, Carl Melton, and Marcia Franke--so they were 1958 grads. Judy Howard's father was a Dr. and they lived in Woodmar. Of course, we know who Carl's father was.
BTW, I have a friend from childhood in Hessville, looking for Kim Miller (She said his full name was Edward Kim Miller.) Classmates are looking for him for their 50th reunion since he did not come to the 45th reunion they had last year. Anyone know anything about him/his family?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1347 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
I just got back from 2 wks in NM and was glad to see all the new posts and to read through them and tickle the old memory.
I envy you having gone to my favorite state--I lived out just North of Sante Fe at Glorieta, NM
for a year in the late 70's--Have been back many times, and hope to go again in a year or so.
By the time Joanne was going to the prom with you, we had pretty much lost contact even though we lived on the same street. As teens we seem to live in our own worlds as we get to the high school merry go-round. Were Bennie Burke, Terry Zaiko, and Bobby Keefer on the football team the year(s) you are familiar with?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1348 ) |
svea3 |
Billy Dedelow went to Brigham Young in 1961 and he is the one who told me that Don was a Mormon. Billy (Ed) had six little Mormons. I heard that Helen, his mother just passed. He also went to Covenant. I am going to send him the obit.[8)] |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1349 ) |
wvcogs |
S C -- Carl Melton was a 1957 grad. The others graduated in '58. It's interesting that you mentioned John Fekete. John is my wife's cousin. We haven't seen him for years. He was a big engineering honcho at Inland Steel after graduating from Purdue. John's father and my wife's mother were brother and sister.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1350 ) |
seejay2 |
I need some major help, guys! I need to put together a list of every car dealer in Highland that may have been there in 1950, focusing attention on GMC dealers, but don't stop there if another one comes to mind. Can we do that? Sure we can!!! If you know of a dealer or salesman from that era that may still be around, that is even better....CJ |
04-22-2007
( Reply#: 1351 ) |
S C Jones |
Ken, I remember John--I think he was in my homeroom from 7th through 12th. I remember him as interested in acting--Arsenic and Old Lace is the play I think I remember him in. Who can account for our memories? He always struck me as an intelligent guy.
Well, I will now give you guys time to find car dealers of yesteryear. I have nothing to add to that bit of history, though I do love refurbished cars.
good luck with your hunt. I'll be back sometime tomorrow. [:)]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1352 ) |
svea3 |
I remember ABRHAMSON'S,but that was in Hammond, I believe. Besides trucks,we bought Chryslers. Other cars in our family: Nash, Hudson and the stand-by Ford. My Grandfather. the one from Hessville, bought a 1953 Black and white Crown Vic [100th anniversary car].He loved that car,polishing it daily. He bought that new turning in his1936 Chevrolet green sedan. I'd love to have any of them!
My other first cousin rode a Harley. He and his gang rode all the way to Florida to our relatives who live to close to where Disney is now. Relatives weren't tooo happy. He used to hang out at some drivein food establishment on Indianapolis Blvd. It was just a little south of CPScott. Any ideas as to the name? It was across the street from Graybar Electric & radio station.
Now have a model car collection, numbering some 100+. I have a Boxter and would love to drive it in the DREAM CRUISE,if anyone cares to join me!!![8)]
Linda |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1353 ) |
wvcogs |
Linda -- When was that when your cousin rode his Harley all the way to Florida?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1354 ) |
seejay2 |
OK, here's what I need help with: someone that I had gone to school with back in 67 is desperately trying to find the whereabouts of her father since 2005. I've been personally involved in this case since January and we have narrowed down the facts with a high degree of confidence as follows(assume all of the following facts and photos focus on 1950 unless otherwise stated):
The name is given as Don Richards although that name could be bogus.
He was a car dealer probably at a Highland dealership.
He frequented a small restaurant named "The Soda Pump" which was located at 6431 Kennedy Ave in Hessville. Some may remember it being called "Rainbow" as well. It was located at the north end of the same block that Dick"s or Pop's was located. In the picture (taken in Feb. of this year) it is the right half of the building (Super Express).
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/PumpEast-1.jpg
This is the only 1950 photo we have of the same building.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/SodaPump2.jpg
He drove a red 1950 Pontiac Chieftain convertable. This was a very rare and sought after car. The picture is a composite I made up to draw attention to what the car looked like. A car like this cruising around Hessville would have been very noticable. In the photo, the car is a 51, but there was very little difference between a 50 & 51. The man in the photo is Don Richards, the subject of our search. The woman is Violet Lipke, very likely the owner of "Soda Shop"
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Rear_b.jpg
This is a front shot of the same car.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/43472_Front_3-4.jpg
This unidentified blond worked at "Soda Shop"
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/SodaPumpblonde.jpg
If anything at all clicks, no matter how insignificant you may think it is, please post it. Thanks all............Cj
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04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1355 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
He used to hang out at some drivein food establishment on Indianapolis Blvd. It was just a little south of CPScott. Any ideas as to the name? It was across the street from Graybar Electric & radio station.
Linda
Linda, I think that might have been the Fat Boy.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1356 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
I need some major help, guys! I need to put together a list of every car dealer in Highland that may have been there in 1950, focusing attention on GMC dealers, but don't stop there if another one comes to mind. Can we do that? Sure we can!!! If you know of a dealer or salesman from that era that may still be around, that is even better....CJ
C J--
Stan Mize has an auto dealership in Schereville--he is a Morton Graduate, probably around 1961.... He was young in 1950, but hey--his father or brother may have been in the new car business, I don't know. Just Google Stan Mize--you'll get the business address/telephone #.
Hope this helps.
Also, all our blogs can be gotten through Google--I just saw my reference to Diane Kuschel on Google.....
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1357 ) |
seejay2 |
Got it. Thanks SC.......CJ |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1358 ) |
svea3 |
KEN
Yes that was one of relatives. The[:I]y drove to Leesburg FL |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1359 ) |
svea3 |
SC Thanks for the Fat Boy reference. My cousin was like the Fonz!
OH We have a Hohman family here- they are farmers in RomulusMI. There is a Sibley Road, Sibley Lumber and a Sibley House, a historical 1800's house of the first mayor. |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1360 ) |
Pro2am |
Linda,
As SC said, it could have been the Fat Boy drive-in. It was just south of the Woodmar Shopping Center and 167th Street, on the west side of Indianapolis Blvd. However, there were also two other drive-in restaurants located a block further south on the west side of Indpls. Blvd, just south of 169th St. : Kelly's Drive-In (now Nick's Liquors) and right next door to it on its south side, the Serenade Drive-In (that spot is now occupied by a clinic that used to be the unemployment office, Karne's Music Center, and who knows what else). [:)]
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
[quote]Originally posted by svea3
SC Thanks for the Fat Boy reference. My cousin was like the Fonz!
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04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1361 ) |
Pro2am |
Linda,
I don't think that is the location of the drive-in. Graybar (which AFAIK is still there) is north of 165th St. and the Woodmar Shopping Center (or at least where it used to be), on the east side of the Boulevard. The radio station behind/next to Graybar is WJOB.
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He used to hang out at some drivein food establishment on Indianapolis Blvd. It was just a little south of CPScott. Any ideas as to the name? It was across the street from Graybar Electric & radio station.
Linda
[/quote] |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1362 ) |
S C Jones |
The description Linda gave of where the drive-in was, made me think it was closer to 165th and Kelly's was on the corner of 169th and Indpls Blvd--my 16th birthday working there got me a dozen roses from two guys--the family of one of them was a florist and the guys were being pretend competitive for my attention. Nikolas Kikolas, Kelly's Drive IN owner must own the liquor store that sits on that corner. I saw a NWI Times story on line about his having purchased a lot on Kennedy to put up a liquor store, after three years of trying to get his building permit, the city ordinance would not allow that type business at that location, so the city paid him for loss of time/revenue something like 3 million----that is not an exact amt--can't remember how much, but he got to keep the property!!!!!
I worked at Graybar for a year or two to get money saved for college, and I never knew WJOB was near that building.
[quote]Originally posted by Pro2am
Linda,
there were also two other drive-in restaurants located a block further south on the west side of Indpls. Blvd, just south of 169th St. : Kelly's Drive-In (now Nick's Liquors) and right next door to it on its south side, the Serenade Drive-In
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1364 ) |
seejay2 |
Linda Harmon!
Not long ago you had posted an explanation of your username; something about svea meaning woman and sven is man, correct? I can't seem to find that post now. I found it especially interesting because of something I found on a small wooden box of my father's things after he had passed. When I saw the Svea by itself (as opposed to the Svea3) it reminded me of this object. You seem to be very proud of the 'svea' moniker. Maybe you can help me with this object. I probably won't post it tonight because I have to go into a cedar chest in the basement and rummage around for this thing, but I will have a pic of it up some time tomorrow morning I hope. Where is that posting about the svea & sven? Was it in another topic?....CJ |
04-23-2007
( Reply#: 1365 ) |
svea3 |
CJ:
I wrote it to you on your own email. As I said, I am Swede and German (Saxon,Schwab & Pomeranian). My uncles and dad were all referred to as Swedes as my Grandfather in ole Hessville. Johnson was my maiden name. Sven is used for Swedish men and Svea is just a Swedish woman's nicname. Ending in "on" means its a Swede. "en" = Nordsk/Dansk "in"= Finsk I always say that the only one who knows the difference amongst the Vikings is one of 'em. And there are a lot of them on the Detroit Red Wings.
After my divorce I assumed my my Grandfather Johnson's mother's name which was HARMON.. Her brother was the City Treasurer of East Chicago in 1905 ( Walter Harmon) and she was a midwife/ surgeon in the Civil War, because all the men were gone to war. She also ran a hotel in Fort Dodge Iowa. My Grandfather always wanted me to be named after her....?Cecelia???... and I always idolized her as a youth. She lived on Black Oak Road at the corner of Arkansas until her death in 1930. Cecelia was born about 100 years before me to the day.
Understand now? The box might have been made in Sweden. Hope you find it. Remember Johnson means son of John in Swedish. CHJ was my father's initials!
Other thing I told you is that I love autos! |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1366 ) |
seejay2 |
Linda Harmon
Last night when I said "on" a box, that was a typo. "In" a box. I am curious about the significance of the medallion.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Nora.jpg[/IMG]
CJ |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1367 ) |
Jim |
CJ,
I did a Google using SVEA, DANA, NORA, and the letters S, F, and A. Here is the same medallion on ebay:
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/SVEA-pin-marked-Nora-Dana-SFA-Sweeden_W0QQitemZ270085203886QQihZ017QQcategoryZ50789QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
Here is a second resource for an explanation of the medallion:
[url]http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/flaghold/flag091.htm[/url]
Jim |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1368 ) |
svea3 |
CJ
WOW!!!! I honestly do not know. The name was in my family history. It almost looks Masonic.... but the Teutonic Knights [Crusader types] were from Sweden/ Baltic Sea area. I am going to ask my older brother, who lives in Lafayette,IN.
Now you know the restaurant Phil Schmidts close to Lever Brothers? Before it was
owned by Schmidt's it was owned by a fellow name LINDGREN. [ LIND =SWEDISH name]. He originally owned the saloon on 169th/Kennedy and my dad was his newspaper boy. [One of my Swedish family surnames was LINDquist ] Well Lindgren's wife's name was SVEA.
Now my Swedish Grandfather's family started Evangelical Lutheran sect. We hail from a spot called SWEDEbend Iowa. How's that! I thought everyone ate herring and lots of fish.. [8)] |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1369 ) |
svea3 |
Jim and CJ:
To wit, my son's name is Dayne! Johnson And the use of the name Dayne had to be absolved by my Father!
Jenny Lind was a Swedish songstress in the1800's and the Lind is style of Ethan Allen furniture. Lund is a name of a fishing craft. My Father even even builthis own lake in Michigan andstocked it with Rainbow Trout, because that was my favorite as the Steelhead which isthe BEST of the Great Lakes.
Incidentally, all three of my children took the surname Johnson after the divorce. I was the odd duck with Harmon. Mark and Tom Harmon are relatives, by the way.
I want to buy one of these medallions
Linda |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1370 ) |
wvcogs |
CJ -- How about contacting the Embassy of Sweden in Washington, DC to see if anyone there can give you some idea about the medallion? Click on "contact us" on the Embassy's web site for their email address.
[url]http://www.swedenabroad.se/Start____6989.aspx[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1371 ) |
wvcogs |
Here's a class picture from the late 1940s of a 3rd or 4th grade class at Parish Elementary in Hessville. SC will ID some of these kids.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/ParishElementary-Hessville.jpg[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1372 ) |
S C Jones |
I just googled Svea Dana Nora just like it appears here. Got this:SF Baltic-Skandinavia Hall Of Fame-Hvorfor vi k¾mper for ...
There are four large granite corner stones SVEA (Sweden) NORA (Norway) DANA (Denmark) and SUOMI (Finland), each bearing an inscription, the figure of a ...
This is just the listing in Google, not the actual site--and there may be more--anyway, the Svea Nora Dana --SFA may be Skandinavia Faternal/Federal?? Alliance?
GUESSING of course, I am Welsh/native american/Russian born, so what do I know about the Baltic brother/sisterhoods? [:D]
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
CJ -- How about contacting the Embassy of Sweden in Washington, DC to see if anyone there can give you some idea about the medallion? Click on "contact us" on the Embassy's web site for their email address.
[url]http://www.swedenabroad.se/Start____6989.aspx[/url]
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1373 ) |
svea3 |
THANKS TO YOU ALL
With Ken's suggestion, I just asked the Ambassador in DC
I have the 'glug' recipe from the Swedish Ambassador in Chicago. He gave it to my dad in the 1930's. .
By the way Nora and Dana are popular names in the family. [8)]
Linda |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1374 ) |
svea3 |
Hey Ken,
Why don't you post the 8B-1 photo I gave you from OPM? I have more class pix.
L J H[8)] |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1375 ) |
Jim |
Linda,
If you return to the ebay link you will notice that there were no bidders for this item. So it should still be available. Send an email to the seller and work out a deal!
Jim
PS I have done a little more searching.
"At the head of the fiord are the three Kings crowns (all queens!) called Svea, Nora and Dana, where wind and rain has sculpted pyramids which 'crown' glacier sculpted bodies. Totally beautiful."
[url]http://www.capefarewell.com/content/2004day06.php[/url]
And, the last reference:
"Instead we take a swing towards east and drive around the 3 royal mountains –Svea, Nora and Dana. We cross Krone glacier and overnight up on Holterdahlsfonna."
[url]http://www.basecampexplorer.com/svalbard/MENU_2/Expedition_with_dogs_/91948/en[/url]
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04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1376 ) |
svea3 |
ALL FRIENDS
the RUSsians were the Vikings. Look at the athletes from Russian. So you also are A VIKING!
The government of the Vikings was called the All Thing |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1377 ) |
S C Jones |
CJ
Check out this site---with explanation by Swedish women description and picture of a flag hold with S F A
http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/flaghold/flag091.htm
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
THANKS TO YOU ALL
With Ken's suggestion, I just asked the Ambassador in DC
I have the 'glug' recipe from the Swedish Ambassador in Chicago. He gave it to my dad in the 1930's. .
By the way Nora and Dana are popular names in the family. [8)]
Linda
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1379 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Why don't you post the 8B-1 photo I gave you from OPM? I have more class pix.
I did. It's on page 23.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1380 ) |
seejay2 |
Thanks for the response, guys!
The old man had a couple of those around somewhere and I had this one laying in a box, forgotten about, for years until this came up. The first glance I had given it, I thought it was some Masonic type of thing. It still could be some kind of secret society type of thing. Something I was reading about it was that there is a region of Norway(where MY grampa is from) called Svalbard. Svalbard lies about half way between Norway proper and Antarctica. In that region somewhere are three royal mountains, Dana, Svea and Nora. I don't think it is Scandinavian because it doesn't refer to Finland (Suomi)at all. That makes some sense to me because when I look at the center white part of the medallion, the 'light' seems to be shining down on there three mountains, Dana, Svea and Nora. What's the S F A about? I don't know.
So what kind of game does one have to pitch to earn this mysterious medallion? I can't picture my grandfather belonging to some secret society except maybe The Friends of The Neighborly Tap.
You're right, Ken, It's time to contact somebody, but my money says it's not the Swedes.....CJ |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1381 ) |
S C Jones |
Well, I was the captain of Mrs. Olive Byers homeroom basketball team--I suggested our name, too--Olive's Oilers--and we were the champions in 1958! So, yeah, I'm a Viking with Cherokee or Chochtaw and Welsh mixed in.....[:I]
Ken's latest posted photo may be of interest to you and to Joanne's prom date. She is in the back row to the right. The names I know in that photo are: John Jones (now deceased), Ray Clevenger, Bonnie Sharkey (Sue's older sister) Francis Meade, Eddie Chick (now deceased), Patsy Keefer, and the son of the one-eyed postman whose car I ran in front of as a 2nd grader at Parish Elementary located @ 173rd and Parish.
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
the RUSsians were the Vikings. Look at the athletes from Russian. So you also are A VIKING!
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04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1382 ) |
S C Jones |
Shouldn't there be a story with the one-eyed postman in it? Sounds like a Shep character to me.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1383 ) |
svea3 |
I found this too. My Grandfather did tell me that we were from Western Sweden. The Masonic orders were connected,but the Swedes' Christian not monotheistic. I played with Sue Sharkey's BB team. I was a forward,but it was Sue that had the most baskets on our winning team!
1793- Svea Orden (SO)/ The Order of Svea
The Svea were the founders of Sweden during early middle ages when they conquered the Gotha. This christian and patriotic fraternal Order was first named ”Citizens of Gibraltar” because the order met in the Gibraltar room of the pub ”The English Cellar” in Stockholm. Because of the French revolution the order's name lead people to believe that the order was pro-revolutionary, and thus the name was changed. Admits women since 1917. Benefits Swedish culture before 1500. The highest degree is shared with Götiska Förbundet/ Gotha Union (below).
1815- Götiska förbundet (GF)/ The Gotha Union
The Gotha lived in the south-west part of Sweden, and were conquered by the Svea during the early Middle-Ages. To this day, the Swedish King is styled ’King of Svea, Gotha and Vandi’. This patriotic fraternal order shares it’s highest degree with Svea Orden/ The Order of Svea. |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1384 ) |
svea3 |
Hey the Order of SVEA met in the PUB! |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1385 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Hey the Order of SVEA met in the PUB!
What was their fermented drink of choice? Did they use steins as in Germany?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1386 ) |
svea3 |
GLUG |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1387 ) |
S C Jones |
[quote]Originally posted by svea3
Sue Sharkey's BB team. I was a forward,but it was Sue that had the most baskets on our winning team!
-----------
Linda,
Okay, I guess I have to confess--while I was a forward, Judy Hellinga was the star of the team. I was the scrapper and got the ball to her. I was 5' and she was probably 5'6' or more?
The only shot I remember making (because it was probably the only one I made) was when we played the teachers. It got a lot of noise from the crowd, because--who ever thought I could at my height make a net-only basket over a teacher? [:I]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1388 ) |
svea3 |
WHAT WAS OUR GYM TEACHER'S name,anyway? She was tall! She turned up with me at the University of Michigan as a golf teacher that I had to [:I]take to get my Master's. |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1389 ) |
S C Jones |
Miss Shure? Something like that. Wore glasses? There was another gym teacher before I graduated--in fact, maybe 2. I do not remember their names
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
WHAT WAS OUR GYM TEACHER'S name,anyway? She was tall! She turned up with me at the University of Michigan as a golf teacher that I had to [:I]take to get my Master's.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1390 ) |
seejay2 |
It's Glogg. Not glug, glogg with two dots over the "o". |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1391 ) |
svea3 |
That's the Brit's for ya. MY DAD USED TO MAKE IT AN ENORMOUS POT EVERY CHRISTMAS ![8)]
Here's a recipe from the internet.
Glug Cocktail
8 ounces water
1 cup raisins
3 cinnamon sticks
5 whole cloves
12 cardamom seeds
2 dry orange peels
Boil ingredients for 10 minutes in saucepan, then add:
1 gallon port wine
One 750-ml. bottle brandy
16 ounces rum
1/2 cup sugar
Bring to boil and let simmer 1 minute, then turn off burner and ignite. Allow the mixture to burn for about 15 seconds. Serve hot |
04-24-2007
( Reply#: 1392 ) |
svea3 |
THE Brit's are ANGLO- SAXONS. Now my German relatives are Saxon and they are the ones who lived in HESSville. The only Hessians I knew were the George Hess family[8D]
It was Miss Shurr. She was nice. I got A's at Morton and UM |
04-25-2007
( Reply#: 1393 ) |
svea3 |
Did you ever calculate how many SINGLE female teachers we had? Also, how great MrHayes was becase he had a small child? As I was straightening my genealogy files I just found another class pix. Marge Van Til is there. Seeings I am working on an "Apple" I will have my son send it to you later Ken. [It involvesPhotoShop, I think][?] |
04-25-2007
( Reply#: 1396 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Did you ever calculate how many SINGLE female teachers we had? Also, how great MrHayes was becase he had a small child?
I get some of the jr hi and high school teachers confused--Miss Lockhart (jr. hi. geography) Chidester (math) was it Mr. Anderson (business), Miss. Walker (jr. hi. history, who liked the boys and ignored the girls in her class?) Miss Coble (English), Miss Virdin? Mr. Harper (Biology). My memory is taxed beyond thinking.
That which I do know is that the teachers I had at OPMHS were (with one exception--a Mrs./Miss Miller who taught music in Jr. Hi. I think) were supportive of their students. I had so many helping hands extended to me in the form of quiet talks that did not threaten a scared little teen and I even got my first full time job because the teacher sent me to an interview with a co. that had requested a graduating student.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-25-2007
( Reply#: 1398 ) |
svea3 |
There were some 2nd generation Americans that I know of. [V] |
04-26-2007
( Reply#: 1402 ) |
S C Jones |
Does anyone remember a TasteeFreeze on Kennedy? I know there has been discussion re: Dairy Queen, and I remember that being on the West side of Kennedy and North of the Drug stores/Vierks/Ace Theater businesses. I remember a Tastee Freeze somewhere on Kennedy---
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-26-2007
( Reply#: 1403 ) |
lynndesert |
Hello everyone,
How nice to find this site and how wonderful it is to reminence about our home town. Growing up and living in Hessville in the 50's and 60’s made the good ole’ days just that much more special for us. Went to OLPH and then to the old Morton before graduating in 1969 from Morton, second graduation class from the new school although I really missed the old one. Came from a big Polish family so some of you may know my cousins.
By the way, I’ve never known any ice cream place growing up other than DQ. Sorry I couldn’t help.
Lynn |
04-26-2007
( Reply#: 1404 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Lynn,
It's good to have another mighty Governor on board. I hope you have a pleasant experience shooting the breeze with those of us who grew up in Hessville and elsewhere. Can't say that I know anything about the "new" Morton High School, but I sure have a lot of good feelings about the old one at 7040 Marshall and about the rest of Hessville, at least all that I can remember. Enjoy.
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
04-26-2007
( Reply#: 1405 ) |
seejay2 |
Welcome aboard, Lynn!
I myself blundered into this site sometime in January and haven't been able to pull myself from it since. I graduated Morton in 67. We were the last class to graduate from the old building. Never really gave it much thought until it was gone, then it's too late.
Who might your cousins be? It seems like everyone in that town was connected in some way, but just never knew it until they started reading this forum.
I'm like you, I grew up around the iconic Del's Dairy Queen,(the old man always refered to it as "frozen custard") but I really don't remember a Tastee Freeze. There was some ice cream joint in Highland we used to go to, but I don't remember the name of the place. It was on the east part of town on Highway Ave. I remember they had an orange sherbet that I liked........CJ |
04-26-2007
( Reply#: 1406 ) |
lynndesert |
Thank you for the welcome.
The new Morton was very disappointing to me after attending the old Morton. I graduated 8th grade from old Morton and was sorry they built the new one. Did not have the personality nor the history of the old one.
Cousins: well, hope you are not sorry you asked. Think they all went to Morton. We all had same grandma, different grandpas. We were direct descendants of the Sosnowski, which were located in Chicago area as well as Griffith and Schererville. These are the Hessville bunch.
Bud (Clarence) Murdock
Rosalie Murdock
Kenny Murdock
Harold Murdock
Pam Opperman
Mike Opperman
Tom Chess
Barbara Chess
Lynn-Morton graduate
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04-26-2007
( Reply#: 1407 ) |
lynndesert |
Ooops, forgot
Cookie (Clarence) Opperman
Raymond Opperman
Charley Opperman
Lynn |
04-26-2007
( Reply#: 1408 ) |
eyebab |
Bud Murdock, probably about the class of '55 at Morton, was as good a player as anyone on the varsity basketball team, but who never bothered to try out for the team.
jerry babitz |
04-26-2007
( Reply#: 1409 ) |
lynndesert |
That's too bad, Jerry. Don't know if he was much of a team player. You must have been one of the few people that knew him with hair. He shaved it off at a young age and kept it shaved. I actually found a photo of him with hair. He was a real "outdoorsman" I guess.
Lynn |
04-26-2007
( Reply#: 1410 ) |
Jim |
Hi all,
I thought this link might be interesting – The Hammond Historical Society. They maintain an on-line archive of their publication. There are 34 issues dating back to early 2002. I know that isn't too far, but the history they contain should have a wide appeal.
[url]http://www.hammondindiana.com/society_page.html[/url]
Of particular interest to me was the following article detailing our ‘beloved’ trains. I recall from another article back in time that Hammond was noted for the fact that the city had 365 miles of paved roads – and 365 miles of train tracks.
Trains Were Traffic Stoppers
Source information for this article obtained from the microfilms of The Times newspapers at the Hammond Public Library. Jan. ‘65
"Trains in Downtown Hammond stopped traffic one third of the day! Several traffic studies were conducted in the early to mid 1960's and they alluded to the fact that most of us already knew back then. Trains blocked the railroad crossings in downtown anywhere from 6½ to 8 hours plus per day. A Douglas Street survey taken in early January of 1965 for one week, showed the heaviest volume of traffic occurred on Thursday when 5,915 vehicles crossed the tracks, with the crossing gates down a total of 8 hours and 4 minutes for an average of 20 minutes each hour. … A survey of Hohman Avenue was initiated in 1962 by the police department's traffic safety division. This was the city's most notorious railroad crossing where seven railroads crossed Hohman Avenue. Here the statistics revealed that the gates were lowered on average 198 times within a 24 hour period, or 1,386 times each week, or 5,940 times in a month. The average number of trains for a 24 hour period was 127, or 889 a week, or 3,810 in a month. The train's length averaged 57 cars, with the longest at 108 cars not including the engines. The average number of vehicles crossing the Hohman Avenue tracks in a 24 hour period from Monday to Friday was 15,753. The delays averaged 20 minutes and 41 seconds or 8 hours and 15 minutes for a 24 hour period."
We may not have known all the details, but we did know to leave 20 minutes early for any trip even near a track! |
04-26-2007
( Reply#: 1411 ) |
eyebab |
Trains....now there's a memory of Hammond. Of course you got hung up no matter where you drove. There was nothing to do for entertainment but count the # of train cars. If you got into that game, then the longer the train the better. I can remember my ultimate goal was to count over a hundred cars, but I can't recall if I ever counted that many.
Of course, back then, you could identify the end of the train as it had a caboose. Front of the train or the back, usually someone was there to wave back at you.
Diesels came in around the mid-fifties I think, replacing the romantic coal burning steam engines. The first diesels had some horizontal white stripes and were nicknamed "zebras."
Indiana Harbor Belt had the big freight yard. I think they were a division of New York Central.
Thanks. Good topic.
|
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1412 ) |
seejay2 |
Oh yes, the trains. I wish DEEDEE were here now because she could back me up on this one. Both of our fathers were engineers for IHB out of the Gibson yard, also refered to as the roundhouse. One thing I found out at a tender young age in the Johnson house was that you did not criticize the railroad for holding up traffic. The first thing you would hear was "This town was built around the railroad and yada...yada...yada". It didn't stop there. "The reason there is no crime in this town is because the criminals can't risk getting stopped be trains during the getaway and...yada...yada...yada" Oh please stop it! I've heard it so many times before!!!
But friends, there is a double standard here. They (the engineers)have a mantra: "You haven't had a good day until you've held up 80 blocks of traffic". This is the truth! Another thing: when you are sitting there what seems like eternity, DO NOT blow your horn. You will change the concept of eternity to extend beyond forever. Guaranteed.
One more thing. This is for you, EYEBAB. When someone waved at you from the train, whether it be from the front or back, this was their little way of giving you the finger.....CJ |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1413 ) |
seejay2 |
Like you say, Jerry, the steam engines (hot water jobs) were romantic. Dad always hated the diesels and you could see that his love for the job faded when diesels entered the picture.
I still remember a few steam engines as a small child. I was going to OLPH at the time and we would have to cross the tracks at 165th by the cemetery. Back then, one of the most widely known facts of life (right up there with Santa Claus)was that if you stood too close to a rolling steam engine, you would get sucked into the wheels as it passed and you would instantly become wheel grease.
One of the rights of passage to becoming a man was to stand there, when we saw one coming, and put that notion to the test. I never made it. I would see that thing coming with all the racket it made, whistles, bells and that thick black smoke that belched up out of the stack was entirely too much for me. ZOOM! Gone!.......CJ |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1414 ) |
lynndesert |
We counted the cars also and probably feel asleep doing so. It was a killer when those trains stopped or went back and forth. Does anyone know what it is like today?
Thanks for that link, Jim. That was totally awesome, and the issues of the Flaskback were great. I skimmed most of them but can hardly wait to read them this weekend. Too bad there wasn't more info on Hessville but the articles, photos, and history was the best.
Lynn |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1415 ) |
Tom J |
You guys have taken this discussion to the subject of trains, and I LOVE trains, especially trains from the days of the steam locomotives.
I remember very well the steam locomotives from the summers I spent at my grandmother's house in Kentucky. The following is a little essay I wrote about my memories of summer nights at my grandmother's house. Her house was less than 100 feet from the railroad tracks.
Nights at Vick's Crossing
I don't know why I have been thinking so much lately about those magical summer nights in Kentucky, when I spent the summers with my grandmother, or as we called her, "Mammaw." They have sure been on my mind a lot.
We often affectionately referred to Mammaw's place as “Vick's Crossing.” That was an unofficial name given to the place by some of the local folks, since at some point in time there had been a family of Vicks living nearby, and when the old highway was still in use, before the railroad overpass was built, there was a railroad crossing there; thus, “Vick’s Crossing.” To this very day, the mention of the term, “Vick’s Crossing,” brings a flood of memories to mind and almost brings tears to my eyes.
I recall those nights at Vick’s Crossing back in the summers of 1957, 1958, and 1959, and I wish the nights nowadays could be like those back then. In those three summers, I was 8, 9, and 10 years old.
Mammaw lived on a one-acre lot out in the country. There was a little country lane that made a ninety-degree left turn from west to south as one drove from the main highway, and it was in this corner that her acre of ground was situated.
We were a few miles away from anything that could be called a real town, the nearest one being Greenville, KY, which had a population of only about 5000. There were two little communities closer than Greenville, but they were each pretty much just a collection of a few homes and a little country store.
Being out in the country like that meant that when nighttime came, it got dark, very dark. There were no streetlights, and people in those days didn't feel the need for the security lights that are so common now. The darkness during those nights was intense, with the only light at all being provided by the stars and the moon, and, of course, by the fireflies, which we called "lightnin' bugs."
That darkness back then was much more than just "an absence of light;" it was a tangible presence. It could be felt. There was a substance to that darkness.
That black, velvety darkness enveloped and nurtured the little boy who lay there in his bed with the window opened wide, as he listened to the night sounds. He had no fear of that darkness; there was a comforting familiarity about it. He knew that all was well: the chirping of the crickets, the high-pitched croaking of the tree frogs, the lonely call of the whippoorwill, the random flashes of the fireflies, and the gentle stirring of the night breeze told him that everything in his world was as it should be.
A set of railroad tracks passed by the front of the house and was only a stone's throw from the front porch. They still ran steam locomotives in those days, and little Tommy somehow woke up each night at just the right time to hear the night train's steam whistle blowing at the railroad crossing in the little community of Depoy, a mile to the east. He would listen intently as the rumble of the train became louder and louder, until it reached a crescendo in front of the little house.
When the train was very close, its oscillating headlight would brighten the room when it swung in the direction of the house, then return the room to darkness when it swung the opposite direction. The room would alternately brighten and darken, until the engine was past the house.
The little boy loved lying there in his bed, watching the room brighten and darken over and over again. He felt the rythmic shaking of his bed as the ground trembled in the wake of the passing train. He could hear the window panes of the old house, loosened by the drying-out and shrinking of their caulking, rattling in their frames.
Once the locomotive was past the house, the clickity-clack of the railroad cars’ wheels passing over the joints in the rails replaced the sound of the engine. This sound would diminish as the train traveled beyond the range of his hearing, and the little boy would drift off once again to a peaceful sleep, with the train sounds gradually fading into silence.
How glorious and wonderful were those nights! I have never slept as peacefully and have never slept as soundly since those nights back then. I have never been so rejuvenated by a night’s sleep since those times.
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1416 ) |
Jim |
OK, so you like trains. I am not an expert on them by any means. But, having lived within 400 feet of the tracks near 165th I have many memories - some are even good ones.
I was doing a little digging and found a document that might interest all you IHB fans. This is a 34 page bulletin for operating the IHB in the Chicago area published in 2004. There are numerous diagrams of the track sections from our wonderful little town. Included are details on limitations on size, weight, speed, and clearances. Track sections and crossings are named as well as ownership of the various lines, length of sections, etc.
Happy reading !!!
[url]http://www.ihbrr.com/bulletins/7412_IHB_alt5.pdf[/url] |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1417 ) |
wvcogs |
Hey CJ -- If you are getting to the Old Country any time soon, let me put in a request for another picture. Actually, I should have requested it last time when I asked for one of my childhood home. This is of my wife's parent's home from the 1940s until they died, her mother being the last in 1987. It is located on Kenwood Street, just around the corner and down the block from the original location of Cande's Pizza which was at 6310 Kennedy until about 1958. The house is 2712 Kenwood, the third one east of Alexander on the south side of the street. Thanks a bunch.
Tom -- Thanks for the train essay.
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1419 ) |
seejay2 |
Lynn--You mentioned the Opperman name as your cousins. I clearly remember a Mike, drummer in the MHS band and other bands, but I came across this pic and I don't remember this guy at all. Is he part of yours, too..........Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Fifield.jpg[/IMG] |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1420 ) |
Jim |
Hey CJ,
If you are already on Kenwood Avenue, how about another photo just down the block at 2630 Kenwood. I would really appreciate that. The only time I have been there recently was after dark on a family trip returning from King Tut.
Thanks,
Jim |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1421 ) |
seejay2 |
Ken and Jim,
Not a problem. I see you guys are 'homies'
Here we go with this Cande's on Kennedy Ave again. I really wish I could remember when it was there. The only place I knew was on 165th & Arizona. One thing didn't change I'm sure and that was Dominic, the resident crust wrangler..........Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Dominic.jpg[/IMG] |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1422 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Like you say, Jerry, the steam engines (hot water jobs) were romantic. I would see that thing coming with all the racket it made, whistles, bells and that thick black smoke that belched up out of the stack was entirely too much for me. ZOOM! Gone!.......CJ
I lived in Hessvile from 1947 until about 1962 and my Dad was a Dispatcher on the IHB/New York Central at the Gibson Yard. I remember when moving to Hessville in 47 the steam engines were close enough to us to rain soot on my mother's wash hanging on the line. I spent allot of time running through the woods between our house on the corner of California and Crane and the railroad tracks, I can remember clearing the cattails off of a section of the swamp to make an ice skating rink. I also remember going from the old Morton to home and getting stuck by the same train at about three crossings as they wove their way through town. My name is John McCann for any of you that might remember me.
John |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1423 ) |
eyebab |
John---Welcome to the board... Did you graduate from Morton? What year? Classmates? Appreciate your remenisces and any others you might have of Hessville to downtown Hammond. |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1424 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
John---Welcome to the board... Did you graduate from Morton? What year? Classmates? Appreciate your remenisces and any others you might have of Hessville to downtown Hammond.
I graduated from Tech in 1960, but I did attend Morton through my junior year. I was in Mr. Ford's Aviation Powerplant class that met in downtown Hammond until it moved into the main school. It was a good move until we started one of the engines and filled the hallways with smoke, it was funny though. They wouldn't allow any engine starts after that. I attended the old Harding school and I was there when it moved into the new building. One day in the new building the boiler exploded and we had a real fire drill, I think the janitor might have been killed in the explosion. I read in some real old posts here about the woods north of the new Harding building and I remember the woods and the building of the Eastgate community, I fell through the ice on the way home from Harding one day and remember my pants freezing and clunking when I walked, I was lucky to have survived my time in Hessville but it sure was fun. a few freinds and I used to time ouselves riding our bikes from the parking lot of the new Harding through the little wooded area next to the playground of the old Harding and back. We even learned to ride our bikes backward, sitting on the handlebars, what a rush of memories, one triggers the others, sorry for the ramble.
John |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1425 ) |
wvcogs |
CJ -- I certainly remember watching Dominic do his thing with the crust at Cande's. In fact, he did it at the location on Kennedy also. I don't have a photo of the place, but here's the ad in the 1957 Top Hat. Actually, this is the whole page of ads. Since it's only around 60kb, I'll just go ahead and post the image instead of the link.
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Candes1957.jpg[/img]
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1427 ) |
Pro2am |
Lynn,
Omigosh. Tom and Barb Chess! I knew them both. IIRC they were my best friend Ed Lipke's cousins. I also dated Barb in the Spring of 1969. I wonder where these two are now? [?]
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
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quote:
Originally posted by lynndesert
Thank you for the welcome.
Tom Chess
Barbara Chess
Lynn-Morton graduate
|
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1428 ) |
lynndesert |
Hi CJ,
That is not my cousin. Here he is. Mike Opperman played drums in a band called Citations. Guy on right played guitar was Kim Pramuda, something like that. He lived around Knickerbocker and dad was a doctor. He was my first "official" date. There was another guy named Roger in the band that is not in this photo. This was taken at my brother's First Holy Communion, around 1964-1965.
[IMG]http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q116/lynndesert/MikeOpperman.jpg[/IMG] |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1429 ) |
Pro2am |
Chris & All,
Here is the link (I hope it works!) to a great IHB site, the IHB Archive Page. Lots of interesting info, history, photos, (including some by yours truly), maps, etc. It is basically run by Lafayette IN resident Bill Gustason, a rail historian and fellow railfan.
I hope you enjoy it. [:)]
Mike Rapchak Jr.
http://dhke.com/ihbarchive/
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[quote]Originally posted by seejay2
Oh yes, the trains. I wish DEEDEE were here now because she could back me up on this one. Both of our fathers were engineers for IHB out of the Gibson yard, also refered to as the roundhouse.
|
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1432 ) |
seejay2 |
What a neat site! If dad were alive today, he would never come down off that site. He wouldn't be able to pull himself from the hot water jobs.
Hey Mike, do you remember in 62, some dude who had an afinity for the steamers bought one and ran it around the country live. It came to a Hammond station and all kinds of people were there to film it and look at it. Dad took some 8mm of it, and I have one pic of my brother and I standing by the huge wheels. I waited 'till it stopped so I wouldn't get sucked in....Cj |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1434 ) |
Pro2am |
Tom,
This is a fantastic essay. You have portrayed the enchanting essence of your experiences extremely well. Although never blessed with such a magical nighttime location, I recall the nights I spent as a child lying in bed and listening to the train horns in the distance. Living in Woodmar during the 1950s we weren't far from the Erie Railroad's (Erie-Lackawanna as of 1960) 2-track mainline. Hessville during the 1960s gave us the Nickel Plate Road (absorbed by Norfolk & Western around 1964 and now Norfolk Southern). And the IHB switchers with their gurgling little single-tone "bugle" horns were a constant companion. How sad that IHB has retired all but one or two of their late-1940s-vintage switchers. There was also the north-south NYC/MC Danville Secondary (now called the Kankakee Line) that ran by the National Guard Armory on 173rd St. And several others.
Matter of fact, I still listen to trains on these same lines every chance I get. Nighttime is still the most enchanting. Those horns bring such a sense of peace and happiness; they've always affected me this way. And the best thing about it all is that, unlike so much of the world around us, the railroads and their sounds in this area are basically the same as they were 45 years ago; a timeless, ageless facet of life. So listening to them today is the same as it was back in the late 1950s or early 1960s.
Of course I'm talking diesels here. As enjoyable as they can be they can't hold a candle to the steam locomotives visually and aurally. Although I was around during steam's final days I can hardly recall any of it (this really bugs me).
Again, thanks for a marvellous read! [:)]
Mike Rapchak Jr.
------------------------------
[quote]Originally posted by Tom J
You guys have taken this discussion to the subject of trains, and I LOVE trains, especially trains from the days of the steam locomotives.
I remember very well the steam locomotives from the summers I spent at my grandmother's house in Kentucky. The following is a little essay I wrote about my memories of summer nights at my grandmother's house. Her house was less than 100 feet from the railroad tracks.
|
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1437 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro2am
Tom,
This is a fantastic essay. You have portrayed the enchanting essence of your experiences extremely well. Although never blessed with such a magical nighttime location, I recall the nights I spent as a child lying in bed and listening to the train horns in the distance. Living in Woodmar during the 1950s we weren't far from the Erie Railroad's (Erie-Lackawanna as of 1960) 2-track mainline. Hessville during the 1960s gave us the Nickel Plate Road (absorbed by Norfolk & Western around 1964 and now Norfolk Southern). And the IHB switchers with their gurgling little single-tone "bugle" horns were a constant companion. How sad that IHB has retired all but one or two of their late-1940s-vintage switchers. There was also the north-south NYC/MC Danville Secondary (now called the Kankakee Line) that ran by the National Guard Armory on 173rd St. And several others.
Matter of fact, I still listen to trains on these same lines every chance I get. Nighttime is still the most enchanting. Those horns bring such a sense of peace and happiness; they've always affected me this way. And the best thing about it all is that, unlike so much of the world around us, the railroads and their sounds in this area are basically the same as they were 45 years ago; a timeless, ageless facet of life. So listening to them today is the same as it was back in the late 1950s or early 1960s.
Of course I'm talking diesels here. As enjoyable as they can be they can't hold a candle to the steam locomotives visually and aurally. Although I was around during steam's final days I can hardly recall any of it (this really bugs me).
Again, thanks for a marvellous read! [:)]
Mike Rapchak Jr.
----------------------------
Mike:
Thanks for the kind words regarding my little essay. I find it very easy to write about the things that I remember from my childhood. I had a great childhood, and I thank God for it.
I have said it before, and I say it again here and now... I would NOT exchange the time of my birth for any time in history. I don't think today's kids are going to have any memories worth reminiscing about when they are our age. The world has grown cold, impersonal, and sterile, compared to the world we grew up in.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG] |
04-27-2007
( Reply#: 1438 ) |
lynndesert |
Hey Mike,
They are all my cousins, forgot a few. Heard Tommy just moved back to Indiana. Barbara married George, a Greek and had two children. They divorced a long time ago and not sure what happened after that. I think Barbara is still living in Nevada. Ed is still in Hessville. We've been talking about a big family reunion but that's as far as it's gotten.
Lynn |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1439 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
[quote]Originally posted by eyebab
Thanks for naming A&P. I remember going to that grocery store, when very young, but couldn't remember the name. Around 1957 or 1958 it closed when A&P opened their larger, brand new store on 165th and Alexander.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
After the A&P moved Gregory Markets opened there to expand on their 173rd and Kennedy market, I had the displeasure of cleaning it after it had been closed for awhile as I worked for Gregory's. There was a Shell Station owned by Si Weiss at Gibson and Kennedy on the SE corner, there was also a full service Car wash between there and the Nook which was also called the Huddle for awhile.
John |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1440 ) |
seejay2 |
Hi Lynn,
No big deal, just thought you may find this interesting. This piece comes from a Hammond City directory dating back to around 1950. It lists Permuda about 2/3 of the way down...........Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/view.jpg[/IMG] |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1441 ) |
svea3 |
John McCann:
I lived on top of Gregory's. Moved out in1960.Welcome to our joyous [:0]group..
My brother is the"Trainee" in our family and can give lectures which last for hours. [8)] I am going to see if he will join us.
Linda |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1442 ) |
wvcogs |
CJ -- Could you post or give a link to the complete 6700 block of Kennedy from that old directory? Thanks.
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1443 ) |
svea3 |
Ken
Did you get the MAP?[8)] |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1444 ) |
wvcogs |
Not yet. When did you send it? |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1445 ) |
wvcogs |
Jim -- If you were at 2630, you must have been almost next door to Bucko. We haven't heard from Bill in a while. Ken... |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1446 ) |
wvcogs |
I heard a rumor recently that the old Hansen Branch library on Martha Street in Hessville was torn down recently. Does anyone know if that rumor is true or not. I certainly hope it is not true. Those of us from that area have a lot good memories about times spent at the Hansen Branch. If it's still there, maybe a photo of the building can be another assignment for CJ.
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1447 ) |
seejay2 |
Ken,
Here is the 6700 block of Kennedy............Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/6700.jpg[/IMG] |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1448 ) |
svea3 |
A week ago, right after I told you about it. I sent it 1st class, but it is a tube! [:X] |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1449 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
John McCann:
I lived on top of Gregory's. Moved out in1960.Welcome to our joyous [:0]group..
My brother is the"Trainee" in our family and can give lectures which last for hours. [8)] I am going to see if he will join us.
Linda
I probably bagged groceries for you or for your parents if you or they shopped at Gregory's. I just thought of a name from that time, I think a man named Pete was the store manager, real thin and wiry. Another friend I met there was Danny Mayden.
John |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1450 ) |
wvcogs |
Linda, I'm looking forward to getting the map, and will let you know as soon as it gets here. Let's hope the post office remembers this is West Virginia and not the Old Dominion [:D]...Ken |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1451 ) |
wvcogs |
CJ and others -- Regarding the Kennedy Avenue directory you posted... It shows three addresses on the west side of the street between George's Pin Bowl at 6716 and the old address for the A & P at 6730. All I remember there is a vacant lot/parking lot. Does anyone remember any buildings in that area? Could this picture have anything to do with the making of a parking lot out of the area after the buildings were demolished? That is the Pin Bowl on the left. This is another photo from the Purdue Calumet archives.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/KennedyAvenuewestsideSCP410.jpg[/url]
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1452 ) |
seejay2 |
One made of straw; one made of sticks; and they had to bulldoze the brick one. |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1453 ) |
svea3 |
JC McCann:
My Father owned the building. All I did was to go downstairs. Mayden was in my class at Morton.Do you remember the dogs that lived on top there?.[8)]
Linda |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1454 ) |
seejay2 |
Ken,
As of yesterday Hansen Branch was still there....Cj |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1455 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
JC McCann:
My Father owned the building. All I did was to go downstairs. Mayden was in my class at Morton.Do you remember the dogs that lived on top there?.[8)]
Linda
I'm sorry, I don't remember the dogs, I love animals but I was more interested in cars at that time, I remember that one of the girls that worked there had a T-Bird, I don't remember the year but it was 55 to 57.
I was looking at your past posts and noticed that you went to the Covenant Presbyterian Church, my parents were active there and were involved in the building of the addition. When we started going there Reverend Krupp was the minister. Doctor Eastwood came along later. I used to open the windows in the old church very slowly and grab pigeons by the leg and let them go in the church., I was a baaad boy:) Tom Osmon was a good friend of mine through the church and the MHS Band.
I did a Google Earth search of Jean Shepards home on Cleveland and it was very close to my Friend Richard Canady's house in the next block, I would walk from my house at 3003 Crane Place to Richard's house every day, then we would walk to Harding together, going right past Jean's house.
John |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1456 ) |
svea3 |
Johns,
I was baptized by Krupp and joined the church with Eastwood. I think that '56 TBird was owned by a blonde cashier named Jeanie?
I am a car buff.I have run many a CRUISE here. My family had an Edsel! AND it was a great car. My Father would buy a new car every year.[8)]
Linda |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1457 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Johns,
I was baptized by Krupp and joined the church with Eastwood. I think that '56 TBird was owned by a blonde cashier named Jeanie?
I am a car buff.I have run many a CRUISE here. My family had an Edsel! AND it was a great car. My Father would buy a new car every year.[8)]
Linda
Wow, an Edsel, I am on an email list called macsclubhouse and one of the more active and interesting members owns an Edsel and a Double Decker Bus from London, he lives in SW England, I love car shows and I have a few Albums of pictures at http://community.webshots.com/user/metralla2 They are from Southern California where I lived for 35 years and one from Grand Coulee, Washington about 30 miles from Wilbur where I live now.
This forum has brought back so many memories of my childhood, I have trouble staying on any subject in order to write down a thought before it escapes.
On that thought, does anyone remember hanging out at the Patio drive in on 169th by the water tower?
I married Sandra Sarlea that lived a few blocks from there on Parrish Avenue, her sister Judy lives up here too, she and her husband Walter Haig have the local vinyard and Winery.
John |
04-28-2007
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svea3 |
Great cars! Autorama is big here in Detroit. I helped paint a '78 Lincoln Continental. Just a supershow.. I'd love to see Barett Jackson. My dream is to get there once. Even in FL would be fine.[8)] |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1459 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Great cars! Autorama is big here in Detroit. I helped paint a '78 Lincoln Continental. Just a supershow.. I'd love to see Barett Jackson. My dream is to get there once. Even in FL would be fine.[8)]
That reminds me of my first car, a 1947 Chevrolet that I painted in our garage in Hessville, I had just finished spraying the trunk when my dad opened the big garage door to see what I was doing and that caused a tornado of cottonwood seeds to plant themselves on my new paint job. It just took a thinner soaked rag to wipe the paint off so I could repaint but I wasn't a happy teenager. My dad bought the car from Bill Highland's parents to use while his troublesome Nash was in the shop for an extended stay then he gave it to me so I can't complain about the ruined paint.
Ken was kind enough to upload the picture to one of his albums and give me the url to it, it is a picture of my house in Hessville with my 47 Chevy, my dad's 57 Rambler, with my dad peeking out over the top of his car and my mother in the doorway.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/McCannsCars.jpg
John |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1460 ) |
svea3 |
Dave Wright even drove that Edsel to take me to see Black Like Me at the Drive in. Now this was strictly a Presbyterian date! I think Dave became a minister. Right, Ken? I believe he married Janet Baker '59 OPMorton. [8)] I was probably his touchstone with "sin"!!!!![:I]
Linda |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1461 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Dave Wright even drove that Edsel to take me to see Black Like Me at the Drive in. Now this was strictly a Presbyterian date! I think Dave became a minister. Right, Ken? I believe he married Janet Baker '59 OPMorton. [8)] I was probably his touchstone with "sin"!!!!![:I]
Linda
I just looked through the 59 and 60 Top Hat's to put some faces to the names, I recognized Janet and David although I didn't really know them. I couldn't find your picture though, I probably didn't guess the right last name, I tried Lohse which you mentioned as your father's family in a past post. Ken O'Neal sat next to me in Band and I am in touch with him, Darrell Bliss, Richard Canady, and Joel Smolen on a regular basis. Another Hessvilite that is coming to visit in June is Micki Collins/Cox who lives on Carolina close to 165th street.
John |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1462 ) |
wvcogs |
John -- Take a look at this picture. It is 165th and Carolina in the 1950s. Does it look anything like where Micki lives today? .. Ken
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/165thandCarolinaSCP450.jpg[/url]
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
04-28-2007
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johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
John -- Take a look at this picture. It is 165th and Carolina in the 1950s. Does it look anything like where Micki lives today? .. Ken
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/165thandCarolinaSCP450.jpg[/url]
Ken -- Morton High School 1960
She lives a little farther down the street about half way between Vine and 165th. on the East side of the street. It all looks the same as it did in the fifties.
John |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1464 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
John -- Take a look at this picture. It is 165th and Carolina in the 1950s. Does it look anything like where Micki lives today? .. Ken
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/165thandCarolinaSCP450.jpg[/url]
Ken -- Morton High School 1960
I went looking for albums that might have had pictures of her home the last time I visited but I couldn't find any, what I did find was a picture of my parents in the sixties, Sandy and my Wedding picture, and a class of 55 Morton Junior High, I noticed John Iliff in front, just keep choosing next after you get to the picture this link takes you to.
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1203240432014618152xfpSGm
John |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1465 ) |
wvcogs |
Yep, take a look at the image on Google and there is the two story house with the garage behind it. .. Ken |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1466 ) |
Pro2am |
Chris,
I'm glad you like the website! It's sad that your Dad isn't here to enjoy it. [:(]
I don't recall the 1962 steam event, but I have an idea of who it might have been and what locomotive it was. I'll hazard a guess and say Grand Trunk Western #4070. This steam engine made a lot of appearances around here in the 1960s. The first time that I saw and photographed it was in Griffith in late 1968.
Mike
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
What a neat site! If dad were alive today, he would never come down off that site. He wouldn't be able to pull himself from the hot water jobs.
Hey Mike, do you remember in 62, some dude who had an afinity for the steamers bought one and ran it around the country live. It came to a Hammond station and all kinds of people were there to film it and look at it. Dad took some 8mm of it, and I have one pic of my brother and I standing by the huge wheels. I waited 'till it stopped so I wouldn't get sucked in....Cj
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04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1467 ) |
Pro2am |
Tom,
I agree with you 100%. There are times when I've wished I could've been born and lived in the 1930s-'40s, but I think that the '50s-early '60s were the best times to be alive and growing up in this country, especially in the Calumet Region. I stil live here but boy, how things have changed (for the worst). There are times where I can't think too deeply about how things were because it's just too painful. It takes a thick skin to endure things the way they are today.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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Mike:
Thanks for the kind words regarding my little essay. I find it very easy to write about the things that I remember from my childhood. I had a great childhood, and I thank God for it.
I have said it before, and I say it again here and now... I would NOT exchange the time of my birth for any time in history. I don't think today's kids are going to have any memories worth reminiscing about when they are our age. The world has grown cold, impersonal, and sterile, compared to the world we grew up in.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
[/quote] |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1468 ) |
Pro2am |
Lynn,
Thank you very much for the update. I wonder if Ed is aware of this forum...? [:)]
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by lynndesert
Hey Mike,
They are all my cousins, forgot a few. Heard Tommy just moved back to Indiana. Barbara married George, a Greek and had two children. They divorced a long time ago and not sure what happened after that. I think Barbara is still living in Nevada. Ed is still in Hessville. We've been talking about a big family reunion but that's as far as it's gotten.
Lynn
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04-28-2007
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Pro2am |
Ken,
I don't think that's true (I sure hope it isn't!). Next time I'm over that way I'll check to see.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
I heard a rumor recently that the old Hansen Branch library on Martha Street in Hessville was torn down recently. Does anyone know if that rumor is true or not. I certainly hope it is not true. Those of us from that area have a lot good memories about times spent at the Hansen Branch. If it's still there, maybe a photo of the building can be another assignment for CJ.
Ken -- Morton High School 1960
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04-28-2007
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johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Yep, take a look at the image on Google and there is the two story house with the garage behind it. .. Ken
it's the one with the dark roof I think. My computer crashed while looking at it, it doesn't like Google Earth.
John |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1472 ) |
wvcogs |
Mike -- CJ assured me that the library is still there. Ken... |
04-28-2007
( Reply#: 1473 ) |
svea3 |
EVERYONE!
My real name is Linda Kay Johnson....the Lohse's are 2nd cousins. My Grandmother was Elfrieda Helen Lohse Johnson having married Wesley Lewis Johnson. My father was Claude H Johnson and was a very interesting character... entrepreneur type. He spent most of his life fishing and hunting, having retired when he was 40. FAH Lohse was my great-great-grandfather and he came here in the 1840's from Saxony,Germany. It was a large family and lived all over Hessville.
Now you will find me in theTOP HAT, John,class of 1960. I then graduated from MichiganState in 1963 in History then began my teaching career of 38 years and working on my Masters in 1967 from University of Michigan Ann Arbor. [Husband got his JD from LawSchool]
Enough already???????
I now live on an island in the Detroit River. Believe it or not they are cutting our electricity tonight so they can lay a new cable to the island. We were the home base for Gerorge HW Bush and Barbara in WWII plus Bob Barker as we were a Naval Air Base. They built Zepplins here between WWI and WWII. I knew the man who did it as he attended my church. GROSSE ILE founded by Cadillac in 1701 before he decided on Detroit for the Fort . The War of1812 was fought right here. If we would have won, Ontario would be in the USA..[8)][8)][8)][8)]
Linda Kay Johnson (married name Schoonbeck) Harmon
[My husband passed in 1995][:X] thus the Harmon name for honor of my GreatGrandmother
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04-28-2007
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johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Oh, yeah. I remember that--173rd veered off onto Orchard Drive and became 25th Avenue, if I am not mistaken--and into "downtown" Black Oak which was the corner of 25th and Colfax.
BTWÑOur neighborhood kids never went to Hessville Park for winter sports, we had an area off 173rd and Grand that froze and made our hockey/skating rink! The guys used old brooms as their hockey sticks and probably my Dad's Copenhagen snuff cans as the puck.
Do any of your remember the name Eddie Chick? His family lived in the no-man's land area over the Nickel Plate RR tracks off of Grand Ave. between 173rd and Black Oak Road.
How about Stanley Mize? His family lived on 173rd 1st or 2nd house past Maryland/Missouri Avenue. I think Stan became a millionaire with a tire store and real estate/building investments in the Highland area, maybe.
Anybody remember Bobby Keefer, Terry Zako, Donald Butler, Joan Poole, Don Poole, Carmen Moska, Jean Aumiller?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
I remember the name Stan Mize although I can't remember why. I used to hang out with Jim and Al Drangmeister who lived on Grand avenue. I used to borrow al's Triumph motyorcycle when I visited Hessville on leave from the Air Force, even in the dead of winter.
John |
04-29-2007
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S C Jones |
sorry, my message is missing
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04-29-2007
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S C Jones |
Welcome, John McCann--I'm just getting back to memory lane from a day of computer work---I seem to be the eldest of this Forum, since I graduated Morton in 1958. So, the fact that Stan Mize rings a bell with you (and a couple others) gives me hope that there others of us oldies out there.
Stan is in the back row of one of the pics. Ken has posted the URL for of Morton Jr. Hi (I think it was the 8B-1). Also, Stan seems to have become a milliionaire--An automobile business in Schereville was or is his main business, I guess.
I don't know the Drangmeisters....but I have been gone from Hessville since 1961...
Glad to have you aboard--this is a gold mine for we who remember when and where and how we lived in the 50's and 60's...
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-29-2007
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johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
EMMITT WELCOME JUST JOIN IN..
Eastwood was just super. That was the church in which I was raised.It was/is beautiful. I took my daughter to see it for my OLPMHS reunion (which you Ken didn't make!)[:0] for John Melton and our choir. Mrs Leonore Melton was a grad of HHS playing clarinet and organ. Their daughter Marie is in Champaign IL directing a band. Carl played for the Marine Band last I knew.[8)]
I will not divulge what Ken played, but I was the Oboeist.[:o)]
I know what Ken played as I sat to his left and played the same Coronet, well, we each had our own, did you sit near Bill Highland? He played the Basoon and sat in front of me.
John |
04-29-2007
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johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Welcome, John McCann--I'm just getting back to memory lane from a day of computer work---I seem to be the eldest of this Forum, since I graduated Morton in 1958. So, the fact that Stan Mize rings a bell with you (and a couple others) gives me hope that there others of us oldies out there.
Stan is in the back row of one of the pics. Ken has posted the URL for of Morton Jr. Hi (I think it was the 8B-1). Also, Stan seems to have become a milliionaire--An automobile business in Schereville was or is his main business, I guess.
I don't know the Drangmeisters....but I have been gone from Hessville since 1961...
Glad to have you aboard--this is a gold mine for we who remember when and where and how we lived in the 50's and 60's...
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
I( was in that picture also, in fact Ken got it off of my Webshots album that I linked a few messages back, Jim Drangmeister is in the center of the picture in the front row and I am to his right as you look at the picture, and Richard Canady is to the left in the picture, of course you have to reverse those directions if you see it from the Jim's perspective.
John |
04-29-2007
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johncmccann |
I should have trimmed the quote but I wanted to thank the person that took the pictures of the Eastwood Church, I had a picture of it that I deleted somehow. My wife Sandra Sarlia and I were married there on February 19, 1966 and I have been wanting another picture for my family album,
quote:
Originally posted by Pro2am
Cris,
First of all let me offer a genuine Thank You for posting all those photos of what may or may not have been the location of Grandma's Delicatessan. And the last one is a hoot! :-)
To be honest, I'm still very uncertain of its exact location. I pass by the structures quite frequently - epsecially on Fridays as I conduct my financial affairs with the Regional Fedderal Credit Union down Kennedy Ave. across from Hessville Park - which brings to mind another long-gone business: the little Dairy-Queen-type ice cream place that used to be where the credit union is now. Anyone remember it and its name (I should be able to but can't at the moment)?
A couple of summers ago my brother Larry and I did an in-depth tour of the area around Kennedy Ave., OLPH school, etc. Larry has excellent recall and a near-photographic memory when it comes to our childhood experiences. Yet neither he nor I could recall which store was Granny's. Interestingly, we were both drawn to the structure you featured - the one with Moochie's Tap in it. We still aren't certain if that was the one, but it seemed the most likely candidate (that enclosed entrance thingy jutting out from the front of the building confuses things some). If that is the correct building, then, IIRC, Granny's store was the north section (on the right side in the photos). But again, I could be mistaken. Arrgghh!! :-)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
OK Ken, the time has come. Yes, indeed my shotgun was bigger, but I was even happier not having to display it.
Here is the 6842 address.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/6842.jpg
As I had said earlier, Rev. Eastwood just passed away on Feb. 13 of this year at age 95. Yeah I broke the gentleman's "photo links only, please" rule, but it's a little bitty picture.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Eastwood.jpg[/IMG]
The church still carries the Covenant Presbyterian title.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Pressign.jpg
Here are two more photos of the church as it is today.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Presfront.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Presaddon.jpg
Here is a bonus pic for you! Do I have the right place?
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Bonus.jpg
This next part is for Mike Rapchak. We had been talking about where Granny's may have been located. As I remembered, it was right next door, to the south, of what was the State Farm office (now a tattoo joint)at the time.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/StFarm.jpg
I remember a building right next door because it offered perfect cover for us as we used to go behind the St. Farm office during lunch to smoke cigarettes. But now, as you can see, there is an empty lot there.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/MTlot.jpg
But there is a place next to the lot that could have been Granny's. Maybe it will hit you in the face. I just flat out don't remember now. I wouldn't take too much time though, as it looks like Triffids are about to overwhelm the place. Take away the aluminum vestibule, and it could be the place. You tell me.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Granny.jpg
or even the next place
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/DSC01144.jpg
Maybe the next pic will help jolt the memory...........CJ
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Granny2-1.jpg
John |
04-29-2007
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johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Dr. John H. Eastwood, D.D. Hessville, IN Dr. John H. Eastwood, D.D., age 95, of Hessville, passed away on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at Community Hospital in Munster. He is survived by his wife of 63 years Shirley (nee Baker); four children: Mark (Ilene) Eastwood of Hammond; Martha (James) Sutkowski of Griffith, Rebecca Boydston of Champaign, IL, David Eastwood of Mead, NE; eight grandchildren Kristine (Paul) McDonald, Alan Sutkowski, James M. Eastwood, Jonathan (Alisha) Eastwood, William D. (Cleta) Eastwood, James D. Eastwood, Elizabeth and Desiree Stubbee; five great-grandchildren: Elijah, Emma and Lauren Eastwood, Macy and Riley Sutkowski; one sister-in-law Elizabeth Eastwood of Texas. Preceded in death by his parents, Frank and Elizabeth Eastwood; one brother Richard Eastwood and two sisters: Winifred and Gertrude Eastwood. Funeral services will be held on Saturday, February 17, 2007 at 10:00 a.m. directly at Covenant Presbyterian Church, 6709 Arizona Ave, Hammond (Hessville) with Pastor James A. Thomson, officiating. Burial to follow at Elmwood Cemetery in Hammond. Friends are invited to meet with the family on Friday, February 16, 2007 at Bocken Funeral Home, 7042 Kennedy Avenue, Hammond (Hessville) from 2-4 and 6-8 p.m. There will be a time of viewing at the church on Saturday morning from 9:30 until the time of service at 10:00 a.m. John was born and grew up on his parent's farm in Pawnee, NE where he confessed his faith in Christ and joined the Mission Creek Presbyterian Church. As a young man he felt called to be a minister. John was active in football through his high school and college years. He graduated from Tarkio College in 1935. He then traveled to Assiut, Egypt and taught English for 3 years. When he returned to the states. John attended Princeton Seminary and received his degree in Theology in 1941. John's first ministry was in Minden, NE where he met Shirley Baker. They were married in 1943 at her parent's home near Souix City, Iowa. John enlisted in the Army Air Corps and was assigned to the 464th Bomb Group in Italy. Where as a chaplain he ministered to the service men who flew bombing missions in the WWII European Theatre. During his service he wrote 980 letters to families of airmen killed or missing in action. At the end of the war he accepted a calling to minister at the First United Presbyterian Church of Monmouth, IL where he also taught courses at Monmouth College. In 1953 the family moved to Hammond, IN to minister at Covenant Presbyterian Church. During his many years of service at Covenant John touched the lives of many people. John was a author and published three books of his sermons. During his retirement years John served as the first pastor to the Faith Presbyterian Church in La Porte. He will be missed by his family and all who knew him. In lieu of flowers the family is requesting contributions be made to the memorial fund at Covenant Presbyterian Church, 6709 Arizona Avenue, Hammond, IN 46323. For further information please call Bocken Funeral Home at 219-844-1600.
I didn't see any mention of two German kids he adopted not too long after he moved to Hessville, their names were Hans and Eberhard Gunter if I remember right.
John |
04-29-2007
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johncmccann |
[quote]Originally posted by svea3
EVERYONE!
My real name is Linda Kay Johnson
Ken had already told me what your name was, you were a cute girl, I probab;y lusted after you when I worked at Gregory's. Do you remember Mr. Gregory's Mercedes 190SL? I got a ride in it down to the new location one day, it was a great car. I don't remember what I drove those days, probably a maroon and white 1953 Olds, or a Triumph motorcycle.
I just remembered that I repainted the White on Dan Mayden's 55 or 56 Olds Convertable.
John |
04-29-2007
( Reply#: 1482 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Welcome, John McCann--I'm just getting back to memory lane from a day of computer work---I seem to be the eldest of this Forum, since I graduated Morton in 1958. So, the fact that Stan Mize rings a bell with you (and a couple others) gives me hope that there others of us oldies out there.
Stan is in the back row of one of the pics. Ken has posted the URL for of Morton Jr. Hi (I think it was the 8B-1). Also, Stan seems to have become a milliionaire--An automobile business in Schereville was or is his main business, I guess.
I don't know the Drangmeisters....but I have been gone from Hessville since 1961...
Glad to have you aboard--this is a gold mine for we who remember when and where and how we lived in the 50's and 60's...
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
Thank you for the welcome, I have just finished catching up with all of the posts in this forum, so I responded to messages that were quite old. I was born in August of 1941 to give you an idea of my age, I lived in Hessville from 1947 when I was in first grade through about 1962 when the business I worked for, Schneck Engine Service, at the Lansing Airport was bought by a Beechcraft Dealer in Rockford, Illinois so I moved there until 1963 when I joined the Air Force. I was in Basic Training in San Antonio when JFK was killed in Dallas, it was a sad day.
John |
04-29-2007
( Reply#: 1483 ) |
wvcogs |
My dad was not a railroader, he worked at the mills; but I do have a vague memory of an experience with the Gibson Yards. I actually boarded a New York Central passenger train there. In the summer of 1956 I believe it was, I rode the train to go visit my grandmother who lived in far Southern Illinois.
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
04-29-2007
( Reply#: 1484 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
My dad was not a railroader, he worked at the mills; but I do have a vague memory of an experience with the Gibson Yards. I actually boarded a New York Central passenger train there. In the summer of 1956 I believe it was, I rode the train to go visit my grandmother who lived in far Southern Illinois.
Ken -- Morton High School 1960
Since my dad was working for the railroad, we were able to get passes to travel by train and boy, did we travel. I wish I still had the picture my mother took of the steam engine pulling the train we were on going to California as it rounded a curve so we could see it. I always went to the rear of the train so I could look out the window and see where we had just been, but I always ran back to the car we were supposed to be in so I didn't get switched off and lost.
John |
04-29-2007
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lynndesert |
SC Jones,
I grew up near 173rd/Grand. Never knew there was any skating out that way. We always went to Hessville Park. Do you remember “Carney's”, little store at 173rd/Grand? We stopped there almost every morning on our way to the new Morton. Had my first car accident there. My brother was actually in the store when it got robbed for the first time. Even though I grew up in that area, never been east of Grand. That was forbidden.
Anyone from end of Hessville?
Linda, after reading some of the previous posts, I noticed the photo of two women at a soda shop. You verified the woman on the right as Violette Lipke. How do you know her?
Mike, don’t think Ed is aware of this site.
Lynn |
04-29-2007
( Reply#: 1486 ) |
seejay2 |
I remember vaguely when my dad took me up into the cab of a steam engine. The only thing I remember about it was somebody pulling a lever opening two iron doors to the firebox. All the fire scared the snot out of me. I always remembered this as a portal to hell itself.
We would make occasional trips to northern Wisconsin, by diesel, to visit with his family.
I hadn't ridden a train (except for South Shore,but that don't count)since then. I wanted to ride a train bad enough that my wife and I booked a trip to New Orleans, on "The City of New Orleans", about a year or so before the hurricane. It probably would have been cheaper to move Orleans closer to here.
The trip took about 20 hours. I learned one thing: any longer than that and you had better get a berth 'cause it is impossible to sleep in the seats. Talk about a testy bunch of people in the morning!
After coffee and breakfast in the morning, things looked better.
All in all, Im glad we did that. It is a good way to see the country when traveling and somebody else drives. We did manage to kill seven cows in one shot on the way, but that is another story...........Cj |
04-29-2007
( Reply#: 1487 ) |
seejay2 |
Here's as close to Carney's as you'll get today...........CJ
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Carney.jpg[/IMG] |
04-29-2007
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Tom J |
On the subject of trains, one of the highlights of my entire life was my trip from Chicago to San Francisco and back on the California Zephyr in 1960, when I was just 11 years old. My sister was a "Zephyrette," which means she was sort of a hostess, I guess, and she took me with her on one of her trips.
Man, after all these years, I STILL think about what a wondrful trip that was! It was my first time to see the Rocky Mountains and the Sierras, and it was love at first sight. Those dome cars were the perfect place to observe the scenery, which, of course, was their purpose. I will never forget the beauty of the Feather River Canyon in California. The train's route took it right down the length of the canyon, and they purposely worked out the schedule for both the west bound and the east bound Zephyrs to reach it in the daytime, so that the riders could see the beauty.
People, THAT is the ONLY way to travel! I enjoyed the entire experience. What a wonderful thing it was that my sister did for me.
Tom
P.S.
Here's a link to some good info on the Zephyr.
http://calzephyr.railfan.net/
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
04-29-2007
( Reply#: 1489 ) |
lynndesert |
Thanks CJ, for posting the photo of Carney's. Everything in Hessville brings back such great memories of childhood. I had forgotten about Carl and Becky. They were pretty nice. I lived off Orchard Drive between Kennedy Avenue and Grand, closer to Grand Ave, so we walked to that store all the time and lived at Hessville park as much as we could. There was a gas station in between owned by parents of the Murphy's, Shawn & Bob, I think.
Thanks again,
Lynn |
04-29-2007
( Reply#: 1490 ) |
seejay2 |
I remember Shawn was into repossessing cars for a while and I don't know if you saw it earlier, but Carl was a Hammond cop.....Cj |
04-29-2007
( Reply#: 1491 ) |
lynndesert |
Had no idea Carl was a Hammond cop. Good for him. Was wondering what ever happened to Shawn. Had a few dates with him. What a job, repossessing cars
Lynn |
04-29-2007
( Reply#: 1492 ) |
lynray38 |
Unless I'm mistaken, I think graduating Class of 1956 from O.P. Morton might trump you. I met my husband in the "old" Porter school on Wicker Ave., a wooden frame bldg. The brick bldg. now part of Purdue Campus was built around 1950. My family originated on Marshall Ave. across from the original Morton and both my parents attended the school before transferring to Hammond High. It's my understanding our Class of '56 was the first to attend for 6 yrs., 6th - 12th. We recently had our 50th Reunion, and well attended.
And by the way, both my husband an I were born at St.Margaret's Hospital, Hammond. There are many success stories from Hammond, not all stayed and worked in the Mills or Refineries until they folded.
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04-29-2007
( Reply#: 1493 ) |
lynndesert |
Finally got a chance to check this out. http://www.dhke.com/ihbarchive
That was so awesome! Anyone who lived in Hessville should check this out.
Lynn
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04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1496 ) |
johncmccann |
Does anyone have the recipe for Candies Roast Beef sandwiches?
John |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1497 ) |
Tom J |
John:
It's "Candes," and I would sure like to find out how they made those Italian Beefs myself. My cousin who lived with us and was several years older than I would drive over there and pick some up for our whole family. I usually rode over there with him. This was after they had relocated to 165th St. I never went to their place on Kennedy that I can remember.
I lived on Woodward Avenue, which was two blocks east of Calumet Ave off of 165th St. To get to Candes, we just had to go down to the end of my block and turn left on 165th St, then drive east past Columbia, Indianapolis, and Kennedy. It was a quick trip to Candes from my house.
Tom
P.S. To this very day, I have not had an Italian beef sandwich that would even be in the same league with those from Candes.
quote:
Originally posted by johncmccann
Does anyone have the recipe for Candies Roast Beef sandwiches?
John
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1498 ) |
seejay2 |
Gentlemen, if we had the pizza and Italian beef recipes today, I guarantee we would be too busy counting money from the business to be talking about it on this forum.....Cj |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1500 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Gentlemen, if we had the pizza and Italian beef recipes today, I guarantee we would be too busy counting money from the business to be talking about it on this forum.....Cj
I thought that someone reading this forum might have worked there and has been making the sandwiches for his or her family all this time and might be willing to share the recipe with the mouth watering masses. My wife is from Hessville too and makes a sausage sandwich that tastes similar, she doesn't use a recipe, but maybe I could have her write it down so I could post it, she doesn't compute. [;)]
John |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1501 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
John:
It's "Candes," and I would sure like to find out how they made those Italian Beefs myself. My cousin who lived with us and was several years older than I would drive over there and pick some up for our whole family. I usually rode over there with him. This was after they had relocated to 165th St. I never went to their place on Kennedy that I can remember.
I lived on Woodward Avenue, which was two blocks east of Calumet Ave off of 165th St. To get to Candes, we just had to go down to the end of my block and turn left on 165th St, then drive east past Columbia, Indianapolis, and Kennedy. It was a quick trip to Candes from my house.
Tom
P.S. To this very day, I have not had an Italian beef sandwich that would even be in the same league with those from Candes.
quote:
Originally posted by johncmccann
Does anyone have the recipe for Candies Roast Beef sandwiches?
John
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG]
I also know only the 165th location, I used to run with a friend, Joel Smolen, who lived on 165th. near California, we would stop in at Cande's after our run and eat those delicious sandwiches.
John |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1502 ) |
seejay2 |
From johncmccann
I thought that someone reading this forum might have worked there and has been making the sandwiches for his or her family all this time and might be willing to share the recipe with the mouth watering masses. My wife is from Hessville too and makes a sausage sandwich that tastes similar, she doesn't use a recipe, but maybe I could have her write it down so I could post it, she doesn't compute. [;)]
John
I would be willing to take a look at that one.
There was a friend of mine who worked there in high school. I think he did kitchen work, so he wasn't privy to the secret vault. That's probably why he was allowed to live upon quitting there. The only two guys who were(beside Cande himself) were Dominic, the resident crust wrangler and some character we only knew as "Billy Meat".......Cj |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1503 ) |
svea3 |
[:I]Where's Joel Smolen, anyway? |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1504 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
[:I]Where's Joel Smolen, anyway?
Check the list of members. He has registered and is out there lurking somewhere. Ken... |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1505 ) |
S C Jones |
lynray38--okay! glad to have communications with someone older than I. You graduated from Morton 2 years before I did. I attended the second semester of 6th grade through 12th. Namaste'
Candes Italian Beef sandwiches---please, you are making me hungry!
John, any recipe you can provide that will touch that taste, is more than welcome by me.
[:D]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1506 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
[:I]Where's Joel Smolen, anyway?
Joel lives in Florida, around Tampa I think, he forwarded an email from Ken to me that led me here, Ken sent a general website to me earlier, but I didn't find this forum with that link, I'll tell Joel you asked and he will probably pop in to say hi.
John |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1507 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
lynndesert--okay! glad to have communications with someone older than I. You graduated from Morton 2 years before I did. I attended the second semester of 6th grade through 12th. Namaste'
Candes Italian Beef sandwiches---please, you are making me hungry!
John, any recipe you can provide that will touch that taste, is more than welcome by me.
[:D]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
I made the request for a written recipe, she doesn't have a recipe written down but I think she is going to try to write it down for me later today, I'll post it when I get it.
John |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1508 ) |
S C Jones |
Does anyone remember the grade-school sings at the Civic Center? Each school picked one or two from each grade --maybe just 5th and 6th or just 6th grade and all came together at the Civic Center and sang as a chorus. The year I was in that city-wide chorus (Spring of 1953), there was a girl who had a solo--whistling and entire song. (I think the teachers in my class picked the best singer--the other girl who was taking voice lessons, and the worst--me. Really, I was so shy, the teacher had to lean in with her ear to my mouth to hear me. [:I]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1511 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Does anyone remember the grade-school sings at the Civic Center? Each school picked one or two from each grade --maybe just 5th and 6th or just 6th grade and all came together at the Civic Center and sang as a chorus. The year I was in that city-wide chorus (Spring of 1953), there was a girl who had a solo--whistling and entire song. (I think the teachers in my class picked the best singer--the other girl who was taking voice lessons, and the worst--me. Really, I was so shy, the teacher had to lean in with her ear to my mouth to hear me. [:I]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
I remember going to the Civic Center to swim in the indoor pool, lots of echos and chlorine smell.
John |
04-30-2007
( Reply#: 1512 ) |
Pro2am |
Lynn,
AFAIK Carney's was on the northwest corner of Orchard Drive & Grand. The northeast corner of 173rd and Grand used to be empty of buildings, so this may have been the area that froze over. In 1966, during summer vacation, I worked for the Hammond Park Dept. One of our projects was clearing this area of brush, roots, etc., after it had been bulldozed and graded. Scott Middle School was then built on this spot. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by lynndesert
SC Jones,
I grew up near 173rd/Grand. Never knew there was any skating out that way. We always went to Hessville Park. Do you remember “Carney's”, little store at 173rd/Grand? We stopped there almost every morning on our way to the new Morton. Had my first car accident there. My brother was actually in the store when it got robbed for the first time. Even though I grew up in that area, never been east of Grand. That was forbidden.
Anyone from end of Hessville?
Linda, after reading some of the previous posts, I noticed the photo of two women at a soda shop. You verified the woman on the right as Violette Lipke. How do you know her?
Mike, don’t think Ed is aware of this site.
Lynn
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05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1518 ) |
lynndesert |
Mike, thanks for the update. Had no idea there is a school at that corner. Funny, I had to pass that corner almost every day and couldn't remember was what across the street from Carney's. What's on the corner where Carney's used to be?
Lynn |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1520 ) |
S C Jones |
Anyone interested in Black Oak--from your past messages, I'd say you're not--there is a website re: the beginnings of Black Oak and there are pictures of buildings there. There is also an article re: Hessville and the fact that Hammond was the city that supplied electric, gas, water to Black Oak, not Gary as I originally thought.
If you are a history buff, you will enjoy the article about Black Oak's beginnings.
The reason I have an interest in Black Oak is that I crossed that dreaded line from Hessville into Black Oak as a teenager and found real, live, honest-to-goodness nice, caring people who were living in a no-man's land and ekeing out a living by working at the mills and refinerys, just like the people of Hessville. I attended church at the Black Oak Baptist Church as a teen and until I left Hessville.
Look at the site, and look at the U.S. floodplain and hazardous sites map--of both Hessville and Black Oak..... some of that land was fill in from Lake Michigan swamp/wet lands. It is at Burr Street that Gary begins and the major "scare" was all about. I"ll have to say, though the school my church friends went to was a scary ordeal--Calumet Township, on Ridge Road.
Here's the environmental site showing streets of our town and beyond:
http://134.67.99.109/wme/myWindow.asp?xl=-87.39722&yt=41.58889&xr=-87.43722&yb=41.55889
OOPS! THIS JUST IN--This may be why Black Oak was/is off limits:
http://cbs2chicago.com/northwestindianabureau/local_story_080094614.html[:)]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1521 ) |
svea3 |
I remember singing ar the Civic Center and we even had to wear certain clothes. That was a really big deal. We were a city of 120.000+ people living in Hammond.The Civic Center was the site of Circus. Do you remember that week long event?[:o)] |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1522 ) |
S C Jones |
I do remember the Circus in the Civic Center and I saw the Harlem Globetrotters play there. That was when Goose Tatum was playing for the Globetrotters.
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
I remember singing ar the Civic Center and we even had to wear certain clothes. That was a really big deal. We were a city of 120.000+ people living in Hammond.The Civic Center was the site of Circus. Do you remember that week long event?[:o)]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1523 ) |
eyebab |
I had a lot of freedom as a youngster, but my parents warned me not to venture toward Black Oak. Consequently it was mysterious, taboo, and subject to a lot of rumors and stories. As you say... there were some nice, regular people living there. Lesson learned.
On another note, we've talked a lot about Mom and Pop stores, and two groceries in Hessville that have not been mentioned were located on the north side of 169th between Wicker and Indianapolis Blvd. One was named Luddy's and the family had a daughter Ruth and if she graduated from Morton, would have been in the class of about 1960.
Also, anyone a fan of pierogies? A ravioli-type dish claimed by both Polish and Lithuanians. Chuck and Irene's served them, and I'm sure there must have been other places you could get them that I would love to hear about from the Forum. |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1524 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
One was named Luddy's and the family had a daughter Ruth and if she graduated from Morton, would have been in the class of about 1960.
Jerry -- Ruth Luddy graduated from Morton in the class of 1961. .. Ken... |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1525 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by johncmccann
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Gentlemen, if we had the pizza and Italian beef recipes today, I guarantee we would be too busy counting money from the business to be talking about it on this forum.....Cj
I thought that someone reading this forum might have worked there and has been making the sandwiches for his or her family all this time and might be willing to share the recipe with the mouth watering masses. My wife is from Hessville too and makes a sausage sandwich that tastes similar, she doesn't use a recipe, but maybe I could have her write it down so I could post it, she doesn't compute. [;)]
John
My wife finally wrote down her non recipe for Sausage sandwiches that have the taste of Cande's, so here it is.
1 package of Itallian sweet sausages
1 can of tomato paste
6 bell peppers, sliced
brown sausages, remove from skillet
add tomato paste and 2 cans of water to pan, stir until mixed
add garlic powder, oregano, Italian seasoning, and parcley flakes to taste
add bell pepers and sausages, cook until peppers are soft and sausages are done
serve on Hoagy rolls.
I think if you used thin sliced roast beef instead of sausage you would have something very close in taste to the Cande's roast beef sandwiches.
If any of you try it, let me know what you think.
John |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1526 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
I do remember the Circus in the Civic Center and I saw the Harlem Globetrotters play there. That was when Goose Tatum was playing for the Globetrotters.
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
I remember singing ar the Civic Center and we even had to wear certain clothes. That was a really big deal. We were a city of 120.000+ people living in Hammond.The Civic Center was the site of Circus. Do you remember that week long event?[:o)]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
I remember the circus there too and I also attended the Globetrotters game if you can call it a game, very funny.
One time while watching the Circus I was eating some popcorn and the clowns set off some sort of explosion, I think with a photography skit and flash powder, anyway, it startled "read scared the heck out of" me and my popcorn flew over about six rows in front of me.
I also remember that my mother made a two person Camel costume that a friend of mine and I wore for some event there, I don't remember what or who was in the costume with me. It could have been Fred Holly if it was a Cub Scout thing, his mother was our leader.
John |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1527 ) |
Pro2am |
Jerry,
I'm not positive, but I think that area is part of Woodmar rather than Hessville.
Now that you've mentioned it, I remember Luddy's. All of those builings are still there (including the one on 169th & Woodmar Ave. that used to be the Brauer drug store) but AFAIK none of the original businesses occupy them. :-)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond
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quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
On another note, we've talked a lot about Mom and Pop stores, and two groceries in Hessville that have not been mentioned were located on the north side of 169th between Wicker and Indianapolis Blvd. One was named Luddy's and the family had a daughter Ruth and if she graduated from Morton, would have been in the class of about 1960.
|
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1528 ) |
Pro2am |
Lynn,
AFAIK the building that housed Carney's is still there (NW corner of Orchard Drive & Grand); I don't know what business currently occupies it.
Scott school is on the NE corner of 173rd & Grand, a ways north of Carney's across the NS ex-NKP railroad tracks. The other three corners of this intersection have houses (and always have).
I don't recall what used to be east of Carney's (across Grand) but there's an apartment complex there now. South of it (across Orchard Drive) is - or at least used to be - a little league baseball field and Orchard Drive elementary school - which I belive was recently torn down. :)
Mike R.
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quote:
Originally posted by lynndesert
Mike, thanks for the update. Had no idea there is a school at that corner. Funny, I had to pass that corner almost every day and couldn't remember was what across the street from Carney's. What's on the corner where Carney's used to be?
Lynn
|
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1529 ) |
wvcogs |
Check this issue of Flashback, the newsletter of the Hammond Historical Society. It contains an interesting article on page 3 about Joseph Hess and the founding of Hessville. Since the link to the Historical Sociey newsletter site was posted earlier, some of you may have seen this article already.
[url]http://www.hammondindiana.com/January2003news.pdf[/url]
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1530 ) |
Pro2am |
Linda,
Received a couple of e-mails from Joel the other day. It turns out that he and I are related on my Dad's side. What a surprise! :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by svea3
[:I]Where's Joel Smolen, anyway?
|
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1531 ) |
duane |
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
Also, anyone a fan of pierogies? A ravioli-type dish claimed by both Polish and Lithuanians. Chuck and Irene's served them, and I'm sure there must have been other places you could get them that I would love to hear about from the Forum.
Yes eyebab, anyone who has eaten pierogis (and I've no doubt eaten thousands) must be a fan. There was a Catholic or Orthodox church somewhere in Hammond where the ladies made pierogis. You would call during the week and place your order and then pick them up on Saturday. They were still doing this as of about 10 years ago, and may still be doing it today, I don't know. There was sauerkraut, cheese, potato, and even a plum pudding variety. Marusczak's sausage store in Woodmar probably sold them too.
Now you've got my mouth watering for pierogis, galubki, kielbasa (but definitely not for kiska - yuch). |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1532 ) |
Jim |
Sorry folks, kishka was one of my favorite meals, but never had it after leaving home. I've told my wife many times how I would like to find some again. Then I looked it up on the internet. Now I say double YUCH !! I know I don't want to try it again. Mind over matter ?? |
05-01-2007
( Reply#: 1533 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Check this issue of Flashback, the newsletter of the Hammond Historical Society. It contains an interesting article on page 3 about Joseph Hess and the founding of Hessville. Since the link to the Historical Sociey newsletter site was posted earlier, some of you may have seen this article already.
[url]http://www.hammondindiana.com/January2003news.pdf[/url]
Ken -- Morton High School 1960
I knew a Vernon Hess during my stay in Hessville, he drove an old Studebaker with a vengence, it had overdrive and it allowed him to put it into reverse while driving forward, one of his most hair raising stunts was to go through an intersection spinning his wheels in reverse and spinning around in circles. He ran into the gas pumps at the gas station accross the street from Cande's, it was a hangout for some of my friends that were there when it happened who said the light pole by the pumps went through the big window of the station on the heels of the friends escaping into the garage.
John |
05-02-2007
( Reply#: 1534 ) |
seejay2 |
That is a good one!!
I had friends crazy enough to try a stunt like that(me too) IF their cars would have taken that abuse........Cj |
05-03-2007
( Reply#: 1535 ) |
svea3 |
All,
Ruth Luddy was in '61 and since I believe has passed. Her dad claimed to see UFO's and was written up in the Times. He was thought to be little 'looney' because he said they were about to land in the playround next to the school in Woodmar.
Ruth roomed with Judy Bogan and me on the trip to Washington. She had cooked up a plan to meet the guys after we were in lock down. The counselors did a room check in our room. I was sleeping on the cot and had the blanket over my head. The C threatened to send us back to Hessville and thought I was a boy. They ripped off the blanket and there I was. So they were embarrassed and just admonished us![:o)][:I][:I][:I][:I] |
05-03-2007
( Reply#: 1536 ) |
seejay2 |
Back from the Old Country!
I will fulfil the requests made of me:
Ken, here's yours
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Ken2.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Ken1.jpg
Jim, here's a couple for you
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Jim2.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Jim1.jpg
For those of you that were concerned with the rumor that the Hansen Branch had been razed---put it out of your mind. As you all know, it is not the Hansen Branch (at least to the rest of The New World)any more. It is now called The New Life Family Learning Cemter.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/HansenDoor.jpg
I went inside to see if it had changed much. Most if it, bookshelves, front desk and such are still there, with some modifications such as the computers. One thing that has remained was that unique smell, I guess that "book smell" that the place had. I haven't been in there since the 60's and the smell remained. It has been the Learning Center for five years now. They were happy to let me photograph inside.
This is facing west.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/HanW.jpg
This one speaks for itself.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Handesk.jpg
This is to the east.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/HanE.jpg
and here is the foyer.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Hanfoyer.jpg
Somebody also expressed some concern as to what now stands where Carney's used to be. Here it is, another rare find--a pizza joint!
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Carney-1.jpg
Since this website is built around Shep, I guess it's only fair to include a photo of his house on Cleveland as it is today........Cj
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Shep.jpg |
05-03-2007
( Reply#: 1537 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Back from the Old Country!
I will fulfil the requests made of me:
Ken, here's yours
Wow, great pictures, I spent a fair amount of time in the library too, it was also my excuse to borrow the car.
John |
05-03-2007
( Reply#: 1538 ) |
wvcogs |
CJ,
Thanks very much for the pix. The house sure looks much better than it did when I saw it the last time about twenty years ago. The new owners have done some needed remodeling: primarily siding to replace the cedar shakes that had not been stained in years and replacement vinyl windows. Also, I really appreciated the photos of Hansen Branch.
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
05-03-2007
( Reply#: 1539 ) |
S C Jones |
I have had Candes Italian Roast Beef Sandwich on my mind for days now. So, I went to the net and found a place in Valparaiso--Pestos Italian Restaurant. This is no their menu:
Italian Beef
Italian beef on a French bun. Served with pepperocini peppers and au jus
Beef Boat
Italian beef with onions, green peppers, marinara sauce and mozzarella cheese
I am going to be up that way in September and I will let you know if their Beef Boat is anything near the caliber of Candes'.[:)]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-03-2007
( Reply#: 1540 ) |
seejay2 |
Hey Ken,
Actually the Ken and Jim houses are two of the better looking ones on the street. People just aren't keeping them up the way they used to. I've got some Soda Shop pix to put up later. Pretty much the same layout after all these years. Absolutely no doubt, 6429 Kennedy....Cj
PS I'm supposed to ask: do you remember a Betty Kelley from the Hansen Branch? |
05-03-2007
( Reply#: 1541 ) |
Jim |
CJ,
Sorry, I read the messages too fast.
Thanks so much for the pics. What a gold mine you added here. I see there has been a new roof in the last 40 years! But, I don't even want to know what happened to the 3/4" thick asbestos siding.
I remember running away from home my first time and making it about 3-4 feet just this side of the gate. A 1950 or 51 American Flyer I think. How brave I was back then!
Jim |
05-04-2007
( Reply#: 1542 ) |
wvcogs |
Jim,
It would be nice if I were able to make a trip back to the "Old Country" to visit some of the folks there and to take those photos; but we have to give the credit here for those fine images to CJ.
--------
CJ,
Sorry, I don't remember a Betty Kelley. Maybe some of the other guys or gals on the forum do. I'm looking forward to seeing the additional soda shop pix.
Ken... |
05-04-2007
( Reply#: 1543 ) |
seejay2 |
The door in the new photo is a new installation (don't wanna hear, "See I told you it was a door!"). I would liked to have leaned more to the right to shoot the pic, but they have built a little bitty office right there preventing me from doing so. Important thing is, this is definitely the place we were looking for.
Here is the 1949 pic:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Sodashopfriend.jpg
This is 2007:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Soda1.jpg
I figure the original door was somewhere here over to the right:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Soda3.jpg
There is a place on the side of the building, outside, where an old doorway has been sealed up with cinder block.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Sodacinder.jpg
By the way, isn't that some interesting architecture? Frank Lloyd Wrong maybe?...Cj
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05-04-2007
( Reply#: 1544 ) |
wvcogs |
Good job, CJ. See, I told you it was a phone booth! Yes, that's wonderful architecture -- very, very early DIY. ... Ken... |
05-04-2007
( Reply#: 1545 ) |
seejay2 |
I told Lynn earlier that the white thing looked like it blew in with Dorothy and Toto........Cj |
05-04-2007
( Reply#: 1546 ) |
eyebab |
For those of us who nostalgically yearn for the good old days(40's-60's) of Hessville, what do you think it was that made the place special? Was it the times, the middle-class values, the melting pot, the isolation and self-sufficiency,the morality of the day? I don't think it was the scenery!!! Shep seemed to capture a part of it, but just what was it that he captured? |
05-04-2007
( Reply#: 1547 ) |
svea3 |
A LOT OF LIFE...[:0] AND IT WAS SUPER TO BE ALIVE THEN.
I had a wonderful time at my reunion and I met many who I never persnally knew then. Two fellows who were evidentally in my art class regailed me with stories on how they managed to eek out a passing grade from Mr Waring.[8)]
Life was simple and goals were so attainable.[8D] |
05-04-2007
( Reply#: 1548 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
For those of us who nostalgically yearn for the good old days(40's-60's) of Hessville, what do you think it was that made the place special? Was it the times, the middle-class values, the melting pot, the isolation and self-sufficiency,the morality of the day? I don't think it was the scenery!!! Shep seemed to capture a part of it, but just what was it that he captured?
I think each of us had a different experience in the same environment, that allows us to share memories of places that might vary individually but bring us together in a time and place that was safe and free and educational and full of sensations and tastes, and even the smells of the Calumet region.
John |
05-04-2007
( Reply#: 1549 ) |
Jim |
The Jim1 photo brings back some additional memories. I had forgotten the older electrical towers to the right just next to the IHB tracks. Not only could you hear them hum and crackle on humid summer days, but those towers drew the attention of some very strong lightning hits during the nasty storms we used to get. Loud enough to make this 8 year old jump in bed! |
05-05-2007
( Reply#: 1550 ) |
seejay2 |
Wasn't there a thing like this south of 165th or was it right by American Can?
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/coaltower.jpg |
05-05-2007
( Reply#: 1551 ) |
duane |
Yes, although It looked a bit narrower, but it was a concrete structure, I believe this is a coal hopper for loading the steam engines. I don't recall the exact location, but I remember driving past it all the time. I'm sure it was somewhere near where you remember it. |
05-05-2007
( Reply#: 1552 ) |
S C Jones |
My assessment of our fond memories of living in the '40s-60's in Hessville:
We lived in the moment and had the freedom of summer with no schedule--maybe a vacation with the family for a week, then back to the exploration of our own lives with our friends.
We lived where we shopped. Our Grand Park "little store" was on the east side of Grand at 171st We "owned" our neighborhood. In my case, doors to houses were not locked. Our neighborhood moms were just that. There were afternoons of sitting in the front yard--(no one had a front porch) with neighbors stopping to talk and you could hear the grownups talk about what was happening in the neighborhood, while you played a card game with your best friends on a blanket nearby.
We used to call our friends out---"Oh, Bobby, come on out and play." We had one kid who called this: "Oh, Marvin, come on out an bring an orange." Guess he was hungry, or maybe he had an orange and didn't want to share it.
We all played baseball in the street with mitts and a hardball. Our evening games were usually hide-and-seek, kick-the-can, tag games. Everyone had a bike and we rode them from daylight to dusk--races, errands, and transportation to Hessville (business district--library, Dairy Queen, Fifields for a cherry coke).
We walked the tracks from our neighborhood to within a block of Kennedy and then to the ACE for double feature, newsreel, and cartoons--all for .25 before we were 13--then it became .50.
My Dad and neighbors played poker at our kitchen table at least once a month--wives and husbands and the talk and banter made for a feeling of family--the children of the neighbors (my friends) and I were in and out of each others houses--on poker nights we visited the poker table to get a quarter from one of the players. It was the time to ask for money--they wanted you out of there, or at least quiet, while they wagered their pennies/nickels/dimes/and quarters.....
Life was simpler because we did not hear and see broadcast all the gory details of scandals and horrors that people commit in the name of despair and even "love". When Opal Collins murdered her husband, his mother, and two sisters on Orchard Drive in (I think it was 1954), there were headlines in the paper. I don't remember any news of it on TV. It was a local happening--but as the trial began later, there was more widespread coverage. I attended the trial in Crown Point with neighborhood mothers because I had been a friend to one of the sisters who was killed.
But even that was not in our neighborhood--and we considered it a family problem of people from the hills of Kentucky--an isolated incident.
We lived in an-end-of and post-war era that saw our parents feeling safer and carefree, with money being made by them that they probably never dreamed they'd make even as they worked in mills, refineries, and other industries that required honest labor.
Oh, who was it who recalled the "smell" of the area. When I returned for a summer after my first year of college, I was surprised by the familiarity of the "smell." The very dirt--black as coal--reeked. I can smell it now.
The times, the pre-electronic, pre-TV hold on our lives, the shared lives we had with neighbor kids whose families we knew and they knew us--I think we had true community, without the separations that we have come to view as needed for our safety because of density in population that is growing and which grows crime. And, lest I forget--the menace of illegal drugs that ensares the users and adds to the dangers we face with invasion of our homes.
I am fortunate to live in a neighborhood with houses much like the one I grew up in. I have lived here since 1982 and know most of the people on my block. The difference here at this time is there are few children. When I moved here there were teens who cut a path across my yard over the years and continued to do so as they visited each other. Now, they are grown and gone. There are four children on this block now and 2 who are part-time (parents divorced). One of my next-door neighbors was born and raised in Valpo!
So, he and I talk about Da Region.
I have become the surrogate dog-rounder-upper for the block. While everyone is at work, their dogs take a notion to dig out for a wade in the creek that runs through our neighborhood....
Enough,--needless to say, I long for "the good ole' days" when I could walk to the "Little Store" (we called it that!) for a butterscotch bar.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-05-2007
( Reply#: 1553 ) |
seejay2 |
Sad thing is, we used to climb up into that thing. We should have been killed as rickety and loose as that thing was, but we made it and I can't remember exactly where is was. If one wanted to look at pigeons in every stage of developement from egg to dead, it was up inside of that thing..........Cj |
05-05-2007
( Reply#: 1554 ) |
eyebab |
[quote]Originally posted by S C Jones
My assessment of our fond memories of living in the '40s-60's in Hessville:
Thanx for a great little essay. We were lucky back then, wern't we. |
05-05-2007
( Reply#: 1555 ) |
svea3 |
[8)]NOPE luck had little to do with it.
We intelligently,
with freewill
made the correct choices
to our destiny.
You are when, where and to whom you were born, being shaped and developed by [8)]
your choices.. |
05-05-2007
( Reply#: 1556 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
[8)]NOPE luck had little to do with it.
We intelligently,
with freewill
made the correct choices
to our destiny.
You are when, where and to whom you were born, being shaped and developed by [8)]
your choices..
I didn't have the choice to live in Hessville, my parents made that choice for me and it was a good one. Even their choice was following my father's job from Argo to the Gibson yard, so I do think there was a bit of chance involved and who I am has been shaped by friends, family and community as well as the choices I made when I was old enough to shape my own destiny. I did enjoy living in Hessville and having the freedom to explore the area in a safe, friendly, environment.[8D]
John |
05-06-2007
( Reply#: 1557 ) |
seejay2 |
Back around 1950, which high school would one from Black Oak be most likely to attend?...Cj |
05-06-2007
( Reply#: 1558 ) |
wvcogs |
My wife had a couple friends who lived on Burr St. and attended the one on Ridge Road. Was it Calumet Township? Ken... |
05-06-2007
( Reply#: 1559 ) |
seejay2 |
That was the only one I could think of.
Thanks
Cj |
05-06-2007
( Reply#: 1560 ) |
wvcogs |
Some time back I posted the photo on this link to see if any of you from Hessville recognized any of the kids.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20Scenes/HessvillePark.jpg[/url]
CJ was able to identify some of them. How about it Mike and the rest of you, do you recognize anyone?
The pix was taken in the early to mid 1960s at Hessville Park and was printed in a promotional booklet that was published by the Hammond Chamber of Commerce in 1966.
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
05-06-2007
( Reply#: 1561 ) |
seejay2 |
[quote]Originally posted by wvcogs
Some time back I posted the photo on this link to see if any of you from Hessville recognized any of the kids.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20Scenes/HessvillePark.jpg[/url]
CJ was able to identify some of them. How about it Mike and the rest of you, do you recognize anyone?
I do have one more. It's the girl in the middle with her hand to her chin. Her name is Donna Buza.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Buza.jpg
I'm pretty sure of another; the lad with the white T-shirt, but I'm still looking through my boxcar full of old photos for the one to back me up....Cj |
05-06-2007
( Reply#: 1562 ) |
S C Jones |
John and Linda: Whether we were predestined to live in Hessville in the times we did or were there because of a choice our parents made---we were fortunate to have lived there during the times we did.
Linda, your statements, in this context, gave me a new perspective on predestination! I see that the teaching can assuage guilt and pride of wealth and status, and at the same time build character in those who have, instilling in them the humility to give/share what they can to help others. I have a friend who lives those teachings quite well.
quote:
Originally posted by johncmccann
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
[8)]NOPE luck had little to do with it.
We intelligently,
with freewill
made the correct choices
to our destiny.
You are when, where and to whom you were born, being shaped and developed by [8)]
your choices..
I didn't have the choice to live in Hessville, my parents made that choice for me and it was a good one. Even their choice was following my father's job from Argo to the Gibson yard, so I do think there was a bit of chance involved and who I am has been shaped by friends, family and community as well as the choices I made when I was old enough to shape my own destiny. I did enjoy living in Hessville and having the freedom to explore the area in a safe, friendly, environment.[8D]
John
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-06-2007
( Reply#: 1563 ) |
svea3 |
TO:SC
A good read is: How The Scots Invented The Modern World. By Arthur Herman[8)]
I admit it; I do have a touch of Easwood.
Linda |
05-07-2007
( Reply#: 1564 ) |
Pro2am |
Chris,
That was the Indiana Harbor Belt/Michigan Central coaling tower. It ws located a couple of hundred yards west of IHB's roundhouse/shops area, which is directly west of the 161st St./McCook Ave. intersection. This vintage structure was demoished 3-4 years ago. Here's a photo I took of it in July of 2003. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ihb/ihb-coatwr-amr.jpg
------------------------------
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Wasn't there a thing like this south of 165th or was it right by American Can?
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/coaltower.jpg
|
05-08-2007
( Reply#: 1565 ) |
emttt |
I don't know how many of you watch food network, but I saw on Diners, Drive Ins and Dives last night that there is still a Drive In close to you. It is The Frosted Mug @ 11541 S. Pulaski Rd in Alsip, IL. I have not been there, but I hope to when I go to Chicago for the Sox/Cub games May 18-20. You can find it online @ thefrostedmug.com.
I am going to be in Chicago in August as well for an antique radio collectors meet, and I hope to be able to scoot over to Hessville while I'm there. Any suggestions as to must see places to visit? |
05-08-2007
( Reply#: 1566 ) |
seejay2 |
Coal Tower!
That's the one, Mike. As kids we used to climb up into that thing just because it was doable. Kids before us had tied knotted ropes and even somehow hauled skids up there as makeshift ladders.
Several of us had gone up it one afternoon and were traversing across the catwalk when one of the kids looked down and froze up. He went down to his hands and knees, scared to death, right in the middle of it. He started crying and wouldn't budge. We started telling him the railroad dicks will see us and lock us up. Why did we do that? Now he started throwing up on top of it all. We finally had to drag him, crying, across that old grating just to get out of sight.
My dad worked as an engineer for IHB. If he had ever found out that we were climbing around on that thing, I would still be confined to my room today.
I would have suggested that you could climb the coal tower Tim, but it's gone now. Kidding aside, I can't think of anything that's there now to make a special trip for. The whole thing is what it used to be; at least for me, anyway. I'm sure somebody will respond with something.........CJ |
05-08-2007
( Reply#: 1567 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by emttt
I don't know how many of you watch food network, but I saw on Diners, Drive Ins and Dives last night that there is still a Drive In close to you. It is The Frosted Mug @ 11541 S. Pulaski Rd in Alsip, IL. I have not been there, but I hope to when I go to Chicago for the Sox/Cub games May 18-20. You can find it online @ thefrostedmug.com.
I am going to be in Chicago in August as well for an antique radio collectors meet, and I hope to be able to scoot over to Hessville while I'm there. Any suggestions as to must see places to visit?
Any time I get back to Chicago I always try to get to the museums, the Field museum of natural history and The museum of Science and Industry will keep you interested for days. In Hessville there is a nature center which has paths through the woods on Parrish Avenue. There is a place in Madison, Wisconsin called House on the Rock that I visited on one of my trips back there that turned out to be a magical place that I want to see more of.
John |
05-09-2007
( Reply#: 1568 ) |
emttt |
Yes, I love the museum of science and industry, and the house on the rock is cool, even though I haven't been there since i was in junior high. I ammore curious as to if the trip over to hessville is worth the price of the gas or if it's better for me to live vicariously through your memories that I read here. I know where I grew up is dying and if not for my parents living there I probably would never go back. |
05-09-2007
( Reply#: 1571 ) |
seejay2 |
You can delete one of the postings easily.
As far as making a special trip to Hessville is concerned, I would say save your gas money. The only thing go to Hessville for now is if you have family there, which I do. I have taken various pix around town, which I'm sure you have seen, just because people wanted to see what time has done to the place. It's only a nostalgia trip for someone who has lived the past there. I am also helping a woman track down who her real father might be and many of the leads have roots in Hessville, so there is a lot of research to be done there. Aside from those things, I wouldn't have any reason to go back there now either, unless Cande's Pizza came back and that isn't going to happen.
We went to House on the Rock about eight years ago. I haven't heard anything about that place until now. If one enjoys looking at the biggest collection of Rube Goldberg contraptions in the world, that's the place to go......Cj |
05-09-2007
( Reply#: 1573 ) |
johncmccann |
quote:
Originally posted by emttt
Yes, I love the museum of science and industry, and the house on the rock is cool, even though I haven't been there since i was in junior high. I ammore curious as to if the trip over to hessville is worth the price of the gas or if it's better for me to live vicariously through your memories that I read here. I know where I grew up is dying and if not for my parents living there I probably would never go back.
Since you will be so close to Hessville when in Chicago, the cost of gas would be negligable, so why not take the drive, see the homes for yourself and maybe take a stroll in the woods where Shep spent his time. The swamps have all been drained and you have to stay on the trail but the mosquitoes will be there looking for fresh blood so be prepared. It won't give you any insight into Shep's life but maybe his stories will have new meaning to you.
John |
05-11-2007
( Reply#: 1574 ) |
seejay2 |
This goes back a little before our time, about 1949. Across from Calumet Auto Parts (5503 Calumet),a few blocks north of Hammond High, there used to be some kind of restaurant where the local bikers of the time used to hang out. The guy was hard to understand. It sounded like he said,"Boiler's Restaurant" or something on that order. Anything???...........CJ |
05-15-2007
( Reply#: 1586 ) |
S C Jones |
I was flipping through the channels on Sunday afternoon as I worked the crossword puzzles in the Sunday paper and heard the familiar narrator voice of a Shep movie. I got in on the middle of it, so don't know the name--it was not listed in TV listings.
The adventure was Ralphie looking for the best top to win against his archenemy.
Flick, Schwarz, Gibson Yards, Cedar Lake all played a part in the movieÐRalphie caught a boat load of crappie, while his father's fishing line was entangled with another. The trailer showed the movie was made in 1994. Charles Grodon played the "old man".
What is the name of the movie, anyone?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-15-2007
( Reply#: 1587 ) |
diskojoe |
That movie would be "A Summer Story", which is available on DVD (I should know; I got a copy for a friend this past Christmas. |
05-15-2007
( Reply#: 1588 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by diskojoe
That movie would be "A Summer Story", which is available on DVD (I should know; I got a copy for a friend this past Christmas.
Thank You! The narration did end with, "That was the best summer I ever had!"
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-15-2007
( Reply#: 1589 ) |
diskojoe |
You're welcome. By the way, the answer for the Egyptian Sun God (2 letters) is "RA"[:o)] |
05-16-2007
( Reply#: 1590 ) |
wvcogs |
Hey diskojoe,
Thanks for the info. I just ordered the DVD.
By the way, the MoMA artist usually is KLEE.
Ken... |
05-16-2007
( Reply#: 1591 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by diskojoe
You're welcome. By the way, the answer for the Egyptian Sun God (2 letters) is "RA"[:o)]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-16-2007
( Reply#: 1592 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
quote:
Originally posted by diskojoe
You're welcome. By the way, the answer for the Egyptian Sun God (2 letters) is "RA"[:o)]
Hey, you do the crossword puzzles too, or you're razzing me?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-16-2007
( Reply#: 1593 ) |
wvcogs |
SC - My wife and I do the daily puzzle (the United Features Syndicate one) and the larger Premier Crossword that appears in our Sunday TV section. Ken... |
05-16-2007
( Reply#: 1594 ) |
diskojoe |
SC, I was just being a bit o' a wisenheimer & razzing you, sorry about that [;)] |
05-16-2007
( Reply#: 1595 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by diskojoe
SC, I was just being a bit o' a wisenheimer & razzing you, sorry about that [;)]
Hey, Dis, I can take it. I'm a bit of a wisenheimer myself.
Ken, I do the two in our Sunday paper--Los Angeles and New York Times--I especially like to do them while watching a golf game in which Tiger is playing. There is a crossword puzzle to work daily on MSN.com website, too.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-23-2007
( Reply#: 1599 ) |
Tom J |
Where did everyone go????
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
05-23-2007
( Reply#: 1600 ) |
wvcogs |
Hey Tom and others,
I'm over here in West Virginia. There's not much to say right now except I did just buy the DVD of "My Summer Story" from Amazon.com and probably will get around to watching it tomorrow.
Ken... |
05-23-2007
( Reply#: 1601 ) |
svea3 |
Ken
Thanks...I'll go to Amazon.
lkjh[8)]
|
05-23-2007
( Reply#: 1603 ) |
S C Jones |
Tom, I'm here in Tennessee--been thinking the same thing. Funny, how we all stopped at the same time, isn't it.
I have been searching the Hammond Archives on line--not a lot there for me, though. I also finally went to the Purdue site online in the last few days.
It appears we are all watching and waiting for a topic. I check in everyday to see what others are saying. When I make my trip to LaPorte, I will get over to Hessville--(September) maybe then I'll have something of interest to relate.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-24-2007
( Reply#: 1604 ) |
Jim |
Do we need to start some story telling?
It was another great day in Hessville, industrial soot was collecting on the cars outside and you could hardly detect the sulfuric acid from the Stauffer Chemical Company. Funny how thinking about chemistry class at Morton brought up those memories.
Anyway, this is a chemistry story from the spring semester of 1964. Mrs. Peterson and Mr. Besch were chemistry teachers sharing the same classroom on the third floor of the north wing facing the atrium. Mrs. Peterson was teaching a chemistry class for nursing students. They were performing an experiment where they collected a solid on ashless filter paper, and then burned the ashless filter paper to determine how much solid was collected. It was a relatively simple experiment that would have generated enough smoke from the entire class equivalent to that of a single cigarette.
Meanwhile, Mr. Besch was at lunch and I was left unattended in the chemistry prep lab just behind the classroom. As one of Mr. Besch's lab assistants I was given the job of performing some of the proposed experiments on a small scale to ensure they would work as detailed. Well, this one was on spontaneous combustion. Can you see where this is going? The chemical fume hoods were in the main classroom and I didn’t want to disturb the class. So I decided to perform the experiment on the window ledge. I probably should have followed directions and mixed a couple of grams of potassium permanganate and glycerin. But, there were several 1 pound jars of each available. Why not take a Dixie cup full of each and poor them together? That will show me if the experiments works! I poured them together, set the beaker on the outside window ledge, and closed the window. After about a minute the mixture started to smoke ever so slightly. OK, now what? It didn’t take long for the smoke to build until the entire beaker shot a loud jet of flames about 2-3 feet high. There was enough smoke generated in the next 10 seconds to completely fill the atrium. The next thing I remember was hearing the fire alarms going off and the building being evacuated. It was really exciting watching the entire Hammond fire department respond. Fortunately, the smoke dissipated before the fire department arrived. Mr. Becker, who had seen the smoke and turned in the alarm, met with the fire chief and proceeded to the chemistry lab. There they met with Mrs. Peterson. I could hear her talking as we were allowed back inside. She found it hard to believe that her class could have generated that much smoke but was extremely apologetic for the problem she thought her class had caused. WOW! Was I ever relieved! After everything settled down and Mr. Besch returned from lunch, I told him the story and showed him the stains I had left on the window sill. We shared a good laugh for many weeks thereafter. It was our secret until today. |
05-24-2007
( Reply#: 1605 ) |
wvcogs |
Jim -- Maybe you should pass that on to Dr. Becker. I can give you his email address. Ken... |
05-24-2007
( Reply#: 1606 ) |
Jim |
I suppose I could.
Let's see:
1. I already have my diploma and it is well hidden.
2. Mr. Besch has since retired.
3. The statute of limitations has surely expired.
4. The evidence was consummed in the fire.
5. Mrs. Peterson already took the blame.
6. The scene of the crime no longer exists.
The only part that should bother me is my "confession". And, how could that be taken so literally considering the nature of this site?
|
05-24-2007
( Reply#: 1607 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim
I suppose I could.
Let's see:
1. I already have my diploma and it is well hidden.
2. Mr. Besch has since retired.
3. The statute of limitations has surely expired.
4. The evidence was consummed in the fire.
5. Mrs. Peterson already took the blame.
6. The scene of the crime no longer exists.
The only part that should bother me is my "confession". And, how could that be taken so literally considering the nature of this site?
Ah, "what a tangled web we weave when first we practive to deceive"--and what fear the Becker still instills in the hearts of former students...
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-24-2007
( Reply#: 1608 ) |
wvcogs |
Ah, but we all have faith in the integrity of the members of this forum, especially those who graduated from good old Oliver P. and, of course, those few among us who are from HHS. Anyway, if you haven't seen it already, take a look at this letter Dr. Becker sent to the class of 1960 that I included in the Memories booklet for our 45th reunion. I have deleted the name and addresses because there are those lurking in the shadows from whom we want to conceal the information. If you would like to contact him, please email me and I will get the information to you.
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Becker_Letter2-1.jpg[/url]
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
05-24-2007
( Reply#: 1609 ) |
S C Jones |
Thanks for reposting that letter, Ken. What a tribute to Morton students and how amazing that Dr. Becker has the same school spirit we felt for the years we were there.
I do remember his being the "attendance commandant." I had a friend who died in a car accident in KY during the last two weeks of my senior year. I asked if I could get out of school to go and was told no. The rule was that a funeral absence had to be for family.
So I just went anyway. When I returned, having missed only one day, I reported to Dr. Becker's office and was given a week of after-school detention.
I gladly accepted that rule. That was the only time I was ever in after-school detention. Did I go out in style, or what? [:)]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-25-2007
( Reply#: 1610 ) |
svea3 |
[}:)]Hey Jim!
I knew I liked you for some reason? I was Mrs Peterson's Lab Assistant![8)]
My error was not that spectacular... only not wearing that stupid rubber apron when preparing a 5% solution of H2SO4 before school. I hiked it quickly home and changed. Otherwise Cal City would have had a competitor and you guys would have enjoyed it, for sure. Mrs Peterson remembered the incident at our reunion and had a good chuckle. |
05-25-2007
( Reply#: 1611 ) |
Jim |
You certainly picked the right smiley for me!
While we are on the topic of Mrs. Peterson, I recall another 'humerous' incident. She had recently purchased a new Mettler single pan analytical balance. It was top quality for even college labs. However, most students were pretty hard on it. Well, one day the balance knobs were turned too quickly and the balance was broken. I heard her tell Mr. Besch that she had contacted the factory in Chicago and they would send a repairman. When she left for lunch (here we go again) I got out the installation manual,removed the top of the balance, made the repair, put it back together, and adjusted the accuracy to factory specs. I told Mr. Besch but not Mrs. Peterson. When the factory rep arrived later that afternoon he was surprised to find the balance working perfectly. Mrs. Peterson was speechless as he grumbled about his wasted trip!
My mechanical ability and curiosity was from my dad and junkin' in the alleys to and from Harding for anything that could be taken apart. |
05-25-2007
( Reply#: 1612 ) |
eyebab |
Another story re: Mr. Becker. A bunch of us were hauled into his office for throwing snowballs near the front of the school. Of course there were protestations from everyone that they were innocent. Becker held up his hand for silence and then said, "Did anyone here throw a snowball?" Someone spoke up and admitted their guilt. Becker said that they were free to go.
Now I thought that was a pretty good deal, so I immediately spoke up and said, "I threw one, too." Becker looked at me, smiled and said, "Sorry. Too late." So it was on to Mr. Ruff. |
05-26-2007
( Reply#: 1613 ) |
svea3 |
MR RUFF STORY:
Story1: [:o)]At Halloween my brother and his compatriots planned an assult on his house. Then planned and plotted several nights as to how best to attack and TP. Now Sgt Ruff's "intellence" was superior to these 10th graders. He was hiding among the bushes and captured them with his"AH-HA" RINGING VERY BRIGHTLY. Foiled!
Story 2:[:D]When I graduated my brother and I went over to his house for a visit. He was always great for a war story- like making a private go back to the jeep for a map across the whizzing of bullets.He got discipline amongst the ranks quickly. Anyrate, the night developed into a game of 5- handed pinochle. Just at the penaltimut momment when my brother and I would WIN,I casually looked at his daughet's hand. WHICH WAS right out there... clear as a bell, we took the trick. WELL, LINDA ...ONE LOOK IS WORTH TWO FINESSES! chortle,chortle,chortle
That phrase has joined our family's lexicon. What a super teacher he was...Jesuit to the end. I used his deck of cards with every class which I taught![8)] |
05-30-2007
( Reply#: 1622 ) |
seejay2 |
OK, here is THE question:
All of us Hessvillites were aware if the existence of this place, but I never knew it by name--maybe it never had one.
On the west side of the 6400 block of Kennedy is some little bitty trailer court. Did/does it have an official name other than "that little bitty court"?
Also:
Does anybody actually know anybody who lives/lived there? Maybe a manager or something? There is no pool guy........Cj |
05-31-2007
( Reply#: 1623 ) |
Pro2am |
Chris,
Not sure of the name of the court but AFAIK it's still there. If I remember I'll check for a name next time I go that way. :)
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
OK, here is THE question:
All of us Hessvillites were aware if the existence of this place, but I never knew it by name--maybe it never had one.
On the west side of the 6400 block of Kennedy is some little bitty trailer court. Did/does it have an official name other than "that little bitty court"?
Also:
Does anybody actually know anybody who lives/lived there? Maybe a manager or something? There is no pool guy........Cj
|
05-31-2007
( Reply#: 1624 ) |
seejay2 |
Oh yeah, it's still there. I just have no idea how to refer to it:
Hessville Estates?
Frank Hammond Village? I don't know.
Thanks Mike
Cj |
05-31-2007
( Reply#: 1625 ) |
S C Jones |
Does anyone remember the name of the game show that had a Hammond (maybe two)
guest in the 60's. Do you remember the reason for the guest(s)? (I do remember, but I may not have the right game show in mindIÑ I wanted to give you the chance to bring up the memory, if you have it stored away.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
06-01-2007
( Reply#: 1626 ) |
seejay2 |
The old show, "You Bet Your Life" comes to mind. Isn't that the one when you said the right thing the duck would come down?....Cj |
06-01-2007
( Reply#: 1627 ) |
S C Jones |
That was Groucho Marx' show, but not the one. It was either I've Got A Secret or What's My Line (of work). The contestant(s) from Hammond were the first in the nation to have this way of dealing with an everyday enforcement problem in our society. I think the show aired in the early 60's.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
06-01-2007
( Reply#: 1628 ) |
seejay2 |
I also remember the show "You Asked For It". This was the one where people would write in asking to see things a bit out of the ordinary. I do remember them profiling somebody From Hammond in law enforcement who was the first in the nation to patrol by air. I can't remember the name of the cop, though. Ramian comes to mind. I know there was a Ramian in the insurance business, but I don't remember if there was one in law enforcement....Cj |
06-01-2007
( Reply#: 1629 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
I also remember the show "You Asked For It". This was the one where people would write in asking to see things a bit out of the ordinary. I do remember them profiling somebody From Hammond in law enforcement who was the first in the nation to patrol by air. I can't remember the name of the cop, though. Ramian comes to mind. I know there was a Ramian in the insurance business, but I don't remember if there was one in law enforcement....Cj
CJ,
That was the thing I meant. I don't remember the cop's name either. Just that Hammond was the first to patrol by air and to mark the highways with painted stripes across the lanes, I guess as mileage markers. I don't think it has continued. They gave themselves away with the pubilicity....?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
06-02-2007
( Reply#: 1630 ) |
seejay2 |
They put the stripes a mile apart and then, from a plane, timed how long it took you to drive from one stripe to the next. Sixty seconds=60 MPH. If you did it inside of ten seconds, you were obviously from another planet. It was probably the advent of radar that did away with the stripes.
I'm going to have to check with my sister. As I remember, she was in a grade school class with the son of whomever that policeman was. I thought for sure something like that would pop up on internet, but not for me
Now I have a question for you. You have displayed some knowledge of Black Oak from days gone by. I don't know how long it's been since you've seen the area, but there is a school, Grissom Elementary, on the south side of 25th Ave. It is on the 7200 block. I estimate that it was built sometime roughly around 1970, maybe a little before. Is it reasonable for me to think that there were once houses in that area before the school was built?
Look at the photo below.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/house_7137.jpg[/IMG]
I have been given reason to believe that this house once existed on the south side of 25th just west of school. The photo was taken in 1950. In your opinion, would this picture fit in with Black Oak at that time and place? Do you have any info you can share with me regarding this?
We have been in contact with the Lake Co. Assessor's office about this and they simply have no information on it...........Cj |
06-02-2007
( Reply#: 1631 ) |
S C Jones |
CJ:
I haven't been back to Black Oak for years--however, I once drove to a grade school (see how old I am, I still call it grade school) that I think was Grissom to pick up a niece and nephew. I remember the school being on the North side of 25th Ave. I definitely know there were houses on the opposite side of 25th. I will have to check with my oldest nephew to see if he remembers if it was Grissom and if it was on the N or S of 25th.
When I hear from him, I'll get back with you.
SJ
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
06-02-2007
( Reply#: 1632 ) |
seejay2 |
Thank you for that answer, SC!
There was an old Devault-Grissom school on the north side before the new Grissom on the south. The old one has been removed. What's really important to me now is that you are sure of houses on the south side. Does the name of Cunningham,Kindel or Richards in that neighborhood sound familiar to you?
How does James Dowling (mayor's son) sound to you as the pilot to that plane?........Cj
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06-02-2007
( Reply#: 1633 ) |
S C Jones |
CJ:
I really do not remember the name of the pilot, it could have been Dowling!
I think the name Kindel may be the name of a girl I knew--not sure. The girl I knew was dating a guy named Vince for a time. They broke up and I dated him a few times. I am not sure, but I think she and he got back together. ??? I think she was a cousin of someone I knew--can't remember who? But she definitely lived on the southside of 25th and in the area near the tracks--(between the two railroads that ran through there.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
06-02-2007
( Reply#: 1634 ) |
seejay2 |
I should have stated it a little differently. My mother told me she remembers that it was James Dowling....Cj
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06-03-2007
( Reply#: 1635 ) |
svea3 |
NOW There was a WALTER Johnson, from OPMorton, who went on a dance TV show in Chicago. He's passed away though. Does anyone remember him? I just want to say that there was just one more Johnson WHO is NOT related to me. All you Johnson's who are on this site.... was he related to any of you? [8)] |
06-03-2007
( Reply#: 1637 ) |
seejay2 |
Not me!
By the way, did you ever contact your cousins about the "bikes at the diner" pix I posted? |
06-05-2007
( Reply#: 1639 ) |
svea3 |
SEEJAY:
Thanks for reminding me. He's back to Valpo for the summer. Would you tell where that pix is? I know is on this site,just tell me the number. I will call him and then tell his wife about the circumstances. His nicname was "White-y" as he had white blond hair to contrast with that leather jacket.[8)] |
06-05-2007
( Reply#: 1640 ) |
seejay2 |
I guess that makes him and I neighbors. I live in Portage, one town to the west. The pix are posted on "Anyone have non-Hessville Hammond memories?" right about in the middle of the page.
Here they are again:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/bike1.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/bike2.jpg
Thanks Linda
Cj |
06-08-2007
( Reply#: 1641 ) |
svea3 |
I just talked with my first cousin,Dean. His wife is out 'bumming' inTerre Haute. He said he would know who he was, for sure. She is suppose to be home this week end and I told him that I would send the link to her e-mail.[8)]
Linda |
06-12-2007
( Reply#: 1642 ) |
lynndesert |
Hello Everyone,
I am flying to Indiana June 19th and will be there for a week camping out at the libraries. Please let me know if you want me to look up anything. I'll be searching archives, yearbooks, city directories, etc. which go back to early 1900's or so.
Lynn
You can email me at lynnmckee@cox.net |
06-15-2007
( Reply#: 1644 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
OK, here is THE question:
All of us Hessvillites were aware if the existence of this place, but I never knew it by name--maybe it never had one.
On the west side of the 6400 block of Kennedy is some little bitty trailer court. Did/does it have an official name other than "that little bitty court"?
Okay CJ, it took a while, but here is your answer: Bonfiglio, Tindaro Trailer Camp, 6408 Kennedy Avenue -- from the 1952 Hammond City Directory. [:)]
Ken... |
06-15-2007
( Reply#: 1645 ) |
seejay2 |
God Bless your persistence, Ken! I would have put good money down that the place had no name. Where did you come up with a Hammond directory way out there?
Cj |
06-15-2007
( Reply#: 1646 ) |
svea3 |
SeeJay:
OK My cousin has looked at the photos and says that they are from the '40's. He doesn't recognize them but is going to take them to his buddy who is older. Stay tuned from Valpo!
[8)]Linda |
06-15-2007
( Reply#: 1647 ) |
svea3 |
You know that Bob Seeger's [singer!] cousin did city directories. He was the guy, Ken, who made the copy of my dad's 1912 map of Hessville that I sent you.[8)][:0] |
08-04-2007
( Reply#: 1677 ) |
charlieslou |
Hello. I came across this website by accident, but what a find!!! I was born and raised on the South Side of Chicago, moved to Munster when I was 14. I graduated in 1979. I spent a lot of time in Hammond and Hessville. I currently live in the mountains of Central Pennsylvania.
My father owned and operated Wachala School of Music. I would like to thank all of you that mentioned him or his business, but particularly wvcogs and his post of 3/29/07. I haven't seen that picture in many years.
During a visit back home 5 years ago, I heard the Dime Store on Kennedy had been torn down, exposing the wall of the two-story building next door. I couldn't believe I saw the original Wachala School of Music sign. My father started his business above a hardware store well before my time.
BTW, the Polish words for Grandma and Grandpa are Busia and DziaDzia.
Tod
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08-04-2007
( Reply#: 1678 ) |
S C Jones |
Welcome to the hometown site, Charlieslou---I did not take music lessons, but at an early age it was all the rage in my neighborhood to take accordian lessons. I don't remember, but I'll wager that some. if not all, went to your father's music school. Glad you logged on and found the memories. I am in the hills of Tennessee but planning to go for a few days to Da Region in September. Yes, WVcog has been a real asset to have on this blog. The pictures are phenomenal to old eyes, aren't they. How do you pronounce DziaDzia?
quote:
Originally posted by charlieslou
Hello. I came across this website by accident, but what a find!!! I was born and raised on the South Side of Chicago, moved to Munster when I was 14. I graduated in 1979. I spent a lot of time in Hammond and Hessville. I currently live in the mountains of Central Pennsylvania.
My father owned and operated Wachala School of Music. I would like to thank all of you that mentioned him or his business, but particularly wvcogs and his post of 3/29/07. I haven't seen that picture in many years.
During a visit back home 5 years ago, I heard the Dime Store on Kennedy had been torn down, exposing the wall of the two-story building next door. I couldn't believe I saw the original Wachala School of Music sign. My father started his business above a hardware store well before my time.
BTW, the Polish words for Grandma and Grandpa are Busia and DziaDzia.
Tod
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
08-04-2007
( Reply#: 1679 ) |
wvcogs |
Tod,
WELCOME!!! It's great to hear from you.
Yes, my wife of 44 years took lessons at Wachala School of Music in the early 1950s when she was a student at Harding Elementary. She is not from a Polish family, but Hungarian.
Did you, by any chance, take a picture of the sign on the side of the building?
Ken... |
08-04-2007
( Reply#: 1680 ) |
seejay2 |
All ya all didn't think I left the planet, did ya? Ken, I remember seeing that sign up on the old Mack Shoes building last time I was there but failed to take a pic. Like Tod said, it was hidden all these years by the 5 & 10 until they tore it down. It's painted right on the brickwork. I'll be going back soon to get it. Would you like the wall itself or just a picture of it?
Now that I think about it, it may have said something about "Daugherty" too, which was some kind of general store there. That was before my time.
By the way, did you get your keys back?..........Cj |
08-04-2007
( Reply#: 1681 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello everyone,
Hey Cj -- It's good to see that you're still with us. I'm not sure what I would do with the whole wall, so just a picture will do.
According to the 1948 and 1952 Hammond City Directory, George P. Daugherty had a variety store at 6809 Kennedy Avenue. That's the same building Mack Shoes moved into later. The 1948 directory shows Hessville Community Service Post 232 American Legion upstairs at 6809. In the 1952 Directory, Frank Christianson, building contractor, was there. Mr. Wachala must have moved in sometime shortly after 1952.
Nope, no keys back yet. I have to wait at least a year. If there are no events during that time, then I will get them. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Ken...
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
08-04-2007
( Reply#: 1682 ) |
seejay2 |
I think it was a yellow background with red lettering. I may be wrong about the color of the lettering, but I believe it said something like "Daugherty and Sons something or other". What I can't believe is that I didn't take a pic of it then.
In '67, there was a Mr. Christianson that lived in the little house across the street and a couple of buildings to the south, a little red brick place. He was 80 something when I met him. I wonder if it was the same guy? At the time he owned the building directly north of the house. It was called "Triangle Repair" and I worked there for a while. We repaired anything electrical there. That's right kids! We didn't throw it away! For a $3 service charge plus parts, it was pressed right back into service. Irons, toasters, coffee pots, TV's and even car radios (I hated those damn things); all repairable!
I have a little Viking figurine that someone gave me for good luck. I guess I'll dust him off and set him back out for those keys, Ken. Here's to ya!.....Cj |
08-05-2007
( Reply#: 1683 ) |
wvcogs |
Notice the announcement in the window in the c.1955 photo below from the Purdue Calumet archives of the Hessville 5 & 10 that says "New-Larger and Better." That makes me think that the same person who owned the variety store is the one who built the 5 & 10. The two story building we are talking about is the one on the right side of this photo.
Ken...
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/SCP409Hessville510GrandOpeningmid19.jpg[/img] |
08-05-2007
( Reply#: 1684 ) |
seejay2 |
I believe you are right, Ken. If you look to the extreme right of the pic, just above center, on the old building it clearly says "5(cents)". It's even clearer in Photoshop.
Hey Tod, where in Hessville did you spend your time? It's really odd to hear that someone from Munster would come to Hessville to play rather than the other way around. The guys I knew from Hessville and other places that moved to Munster kind of got absorbed by the place never to be seen again....Cj |
08-06-2007
( Reply#: 1685 ) |
charlieslou |
Hello everyone. Thanks for all the greetings. I'll have to dig through a pile of pictures to see if I have a picture of my dad's original sign. If somebody has one here, can you post it?
When I was a teen, there was never much going on in Munster, but 169th wasn't too far or too scary for a SouthSider to cruise up and down. I never really hung around with the 'elite' of Munster, so the blue collar Hessville was to my liking. Never been afraid of getting dirt under my fingernails.
The area in which I live now is definitely blue collar. Give these guys a welder, a torch and a hunk of angle iron and they can build almost anything.
The word DziaDzia is pronounced like the 'gia'in the Italian name Gianni. |
08-06-2007
( Reply#: 1686 ) |
seejay2 |
I graduated from LTV Steel (they closed down really) after 30 some odd years, so I am quite familiar with welders, torches and Yankee ingenuity. I was raised in the Hessville area, but live in Portage right now. I still have family and some friends in Hessville and I go back to "the old country" from time to time. I've had instances where people have requested me to take photos of a home they grew up in or place where they once played when I make these little treks. If you go back into (which you have probably already done) the past pages, you will see the pix I have posted. I remember seeing the sign on the side of the "Mack" building, but never took a photo of it and I don't know why not. Next time I go there, I intend to rectify that. Yes, I will post it. I lived in Munster for about a year in half a duplex on Belden Pl., which was near the Handy Andy on Calumet. I'm like you, more comfy with blue collar crowd...Cj |
08-06-2007
( Reply#: 1687 ) |
svea3 |
WELCOME Charleslou
The music group I attend monthly had an accordian concert in May. Our group gives a $1000 scholarship to a graduating senior.
[8)]
I remember attending Saundra Lafoon's recital . I never saw so many accordians in my life!
Linda |
08-07-2007
( Reply#: 1688 ) |
S C Jones |
Hey, all
I just googled Wachala and found this gem. Tod, is this one of your relatives? She lives in Highland.
http://www.nwiqlc.org/ssj/documents/Wachala%20Peaches.pdf
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
08-08-2007
( Reply#: 1690 ) |
charlieslou |
Yes, that article was written by my sister-in-law. My brother is still in the music business and plays classical music with his group called the "Calumet Chamber Musicians". Was the $1000 scholarship started by one of my Dad's former students? |
08-08-2007
( Reply#: 1691 ) |
wvcogs |
Cj - When you get back to the Old Country, how about trying to get a pic of Kennedy Avenue from an angle similar to the one below? Also, if you can, maybe get one from the other side of the street so we can see what the west side of Kennedy looks like now. This pic probably was taken c.1955 from somewhere around the Sip N Bite location.
Thanks, Ken...
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/KennedyAv.jpg[/img]
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
08-08-2007
( Reply#: 1692 ) |
wvcogs |
My friends -- Sure, I know this has nothing to do with Hessville or Hammond, but it was a nice sight to see in the backyard while eating breakfast on the back porch this morning in the hills of West Virginia. [:)]
Have a great day. [8D] Ken...
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/BackyardVisitor.jpg[/img]
Ken -- Morton High School 1960 |
08-08-2007
( Reply#: 1693 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Cj - When you get back to the Old Country, how about trying to get a pic of Kennedy Avenue from an angle similar to the one below?
Ken -- Morton High School 1960
Not a problem! Heading for Kentucky Lake in about an hour, but we will be back next week and take care of it then....CJ |
08-10-2007
( Reply#: 1694 ) |
charlieslou |
Nice doe, wvcogs, but last night,(Thursday), we had a 10 and 6 pointer less than 75 yards from the house. A couple of weeks ago, we had a black bear the same distance. Isn't it great to live out in the sticks??!! |
08-10-2007
( Reply#: 1695 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by charlieslou
Nice doe, wvcogs, but last night,(Thursday), we had a 10 and 6 pointer less than 75 yards from the house. A couple of weeks ago, we had a black bear the same distance. Isn't it great to live out in the sticks??!!
Thanks to Ken for the pic. And just a note to charlieslou--bears love bacon, and will tear up everything to get to it when the smell it in the garbarge. I once lived in the mountains outside Santa Fe, NM and the bears came down to our place at night to rummage through the garbage. Some guests left bacon grease out to attact them---It was not a calm night.
But, seeing the bears and deer is a delight!
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
08-11-2007
( Reply#: 1696 ) |
wvcogs |
I haven't seen any bucks around here, but there have to be some since we have a couple fawns running around. The neighbors up the road have seen a black bear; but as far as I know, none have been near our house. That's all right with me. Yes, living here in the sticks is nice.
Ken...
MHS 1960 |
08-11-2007
( Reply#: 1697 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
I haven't seen any bucks around here, but there have to be some since we have a couple fawns running around. The neighbors up the road have seen a black bear; but as far as I know, none have been near our house. That's all right with me. Yes, living here in the sticks is nice.
Ken...
MHS 1960
Hey, Ken,
You might put that picture you shared with me in a window should a bear come near! [:)]
I hope all is well with you.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
08-12-2007
( Reply#: 1698 ) |
Jenny |
[img][url]file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Jan%20Shultz/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/bobby%20and%20i[/img][/url] |
08-12-2007
( Reply#: 1699 ) |
wvcogs |
Jenny,
If you're trying to post an image, that's not the way to do it. First, upload it to a site on the web, and then post the link to this forum.
Also, how about putting more complete information on your profile.
wvcogs...
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08-12-2007
( Reply#: 1700 ) |
Bill Bucko |
But she's welcome here, just the same! The more the merrier!
Welcome!
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-14-2007
( Reply#: 1701 ) |
seejay2 |
[quote]Originally posted by wvcogs
Cj - When you get back to the Old Country, how about trying to get a pic of Kennedy Avenue from an angle similar to the one below? Also, if you can, maybe get one from the other side of the street so we can see what the west side of Kennedy looks like now. This pic probably was taken c.1955 from somewhere around the Sip N Bite location.
Thanks, Ken...
Hi Ken! I tried to fish Kentucky Lake dry, but I felt guilty about that and threw some back.
Haven't been back to the Old Country yet, but that may happen this weekend. I really want to take a good look at the north wall of the "Mack" building now.
In the meantime, here are a few "New" Country pix to tide you over.
If I make a mistake, I'm sure you correct me, especially with the first one. First of all, comparing the old with the new pix would hinge on which era you are from. I graduated Morton in '67 (Let's hear it guys!) so my places may differ.
This first one you will remember as Hessville Dept Store (I hope) which went on to become Verick's(?)
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/HessvilleDept.jpg
The next one is the "Ace Theater"(later the Kennedy). 2 movies and cartoons for 25 cents. A good way for mom and dad have the whole afternoon to themselves for a quarter.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Kennedy.jpg
To the north was a shoe repair, then Wolf's Restaurant. I remember several restaurants there to include Wesley's and 'Lil Governor.
After that, Fifields.
If you don't remember Janc Drugs on the corner, then you were not from Hessville; an imposter.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/JancCorner2.jpg
The "missing tooth" to the left is what used to be the 5 & 10 Store until the city aquired the building and razed it. Next was Mack's Shoes.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Mack.jpg
There were all kinds of business in the next one. The blue building was Calumet Nat. Bank and to the right was Readmore Gift Shop, now a gun range.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Bank.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Readmore.jpg
Maybe you guys can fill in some of the blank spots. Hopefully I will go there this weekend and get better pix of across the street than what I have now and we can have some fun with that.....Cj
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08-14-2007
( Reply#: 1702 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Cj and howdy to all others out there,
Thanks for the look at those shots of Kennedy Avenue in what once was beautiful downtown Hessville. You did well except for the first one. The three story building always was Vierk's Furniture. Hessville Dept. Store was the one story building just to the left of Vierk's. When the Dept. Store closed in the early 1960s, Vierk's took it over and expanded the furniture store. You did a fine job in identifying the others -- even the location of Calumet National Bank since it had moved into a new building a couple blocks north while you were still in elementary school.
Ken... |
08-14-2007
( Reply#: 1703 ) |
wvcogs |
One more time...
Here's Vierk's in 1966 after taking over the one story dept. store location. This photo is from the Hammond Chamber of Commerce booklet published that year.
Ken...
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20Scenes/Vierks.jpg[/img] |
08-15-2007
( Reply#: 1704 ) |
Bill Bucko |
THANKS, C.J., for the excellent photos!
In the Mack Shoes one, we can even see our beloved Library in the background!
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-15-2007
( Reply#: 1705 ) |
golfwidow |
Does anyone remember the name of a grocery store on the corner of 175th and Calumet? It is now a School Stuff store. If anyone knows I'd appreciate if you could post an answer. My parents/husband and I are stumped. [:o)] Thanks in advance. |
08-15-2007
( Reply#: 1706 ) |
seejay2 |
Excellent pic of 60's Vierk's, Ken!
Let's see if I can get it right this time:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/HessDept.jpg
We have here the Hessville Dept Store. What was the place to the left of that? I remember something, short lived, called "Peppermint Twist" in there where they serve soft drinks and local bands played.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Wachala.jpg
Then left again was "Adams Sports" where the comic books were my only interest. It went on to become "Zaranka's Optometry" and then "Ramian's State Farm".
Left of that was "Wachala's School of Music". How am I doing so far?
Let's go across the street.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Solina.jpg
Now we see the old "Solina's Bakery". I can still smell those sweet rolls in the morning.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/PinBowl.jpg
To the left is "George Beslich's Bowling" or "Pinbowl" as I knew it.
Here's one for you, Bucko!
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Hansen.jpg
Cj |
08-15-2007
( Reply#: 1707 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by golfwidow
Does anyone remember the name of a grocery store on the corner of 175th and Calumet? It is now a School Stuff store. If anyone knows I'd appreciate if you could post an answer. My parents/husband and I are stumped. [:o)] Thanks in advance.
Hi, Golfwidow!
Welcome to this forum.
I'll try to help you remember that store, but I'm drawing a blank right now. Which quadrant did it occupy? SE, SW, NE, NW? What else was on the corner?
I grew up on Woodward Avenue, ten blocks north of 175th, so I wasn't far from this store. Woodward is two blocks east of Calumet and is only one block long, running from 165th St north to Cleveland St.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
08-15-2007
( Reply#: 1708 ) |
S C Jones |
Hey! You guys are proving the point: "You can't go home again!" I feel a bit saddened by the sight of what was and what is. I'm not sure I want to revisit Kennedy Ave. when I go up in September.[V] However, the pictures Ken has provided makes it a sweet sadness I guess. Thanks for sharing, all of you.
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
THANKS, C.J., for the excellent photos!
In the Mack Shoes one, we can even see our beloved Library in the background!
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
08-15-2007
( Reply#: 1709 ) |
wvcogs |
According to an ad in the 1954 Top Hat, the Morton High School yearbook, a place called Russell's Mens Wear was located at 6719 Kennedy Avenue just north of the Department Store which was located at 6721. I'm not sure how long the mens wear shop lasted.
Ken...
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08-16-2007
( Reply#: 1710 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Thanks, C.J., for the new photos, especially the new one of the Library.
But ... lead pipes for sale, in place of Solina's cream puffs?!? Sacrilege.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-16-2007
( Reply#: 1711 ) |
wvcogs |
Shep fans will remember that "George Beslich's Bowling" or "Pinbowl" probably is what Shep referred to as "George's Pinbowlerama."
Ken... |
08-16-2007
( Reply#: 1712 ) |
seejay2 |
Hey guys!
Made the trip to the Old Country a little earlier than planned. First of all, as far as Solina's goes, there were a few times when I got a roll that was harder than I wanted it to be, but to go to lead pipes like Bill pointed out is probably a little over the top.
I did have a little fun trying to get as close to the angle of the original pic as possible to get the following comparison shot of 50's Hessville to 2007 Hessville. I think I liked the 50's Hessville over what it is now. It has no character at all.
By the way, the pic was taken in the lot south of S&B. The truck on the left of the color photo is parked right in front of S&B.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/KennedyComp.jpg[/IMG]
The second bad news is that I am really kicking myself for not taking a pic of the side of the Mack building when I had the chance. It has been painted over with some other crap. Maybe somebody else had enough presence of mind to do what I did not do and has a photo out there somewhere. Sorry, Tod!
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Sign.jpg
Anyway, here are some positive things that I did manage to accomplish.
This is what is left of Luchene's. It is a VFW now. I have nothing against a VFW (I am a Viet Nam vet myself), but it is not Luchene's!
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Luchenes.jpg
Everybody has their local "Choke & Puke". Ours was called Sip & Bite. Again, people, if someone cannot recall Sip & Bite they are an imposter!! Or maybe younger than we are. It is now the Kennedy Cafe. I have to admit though, for around 6-7 bucks, two people can get 3 eggs apiece, potatoes, toast, coffee; the whole thing---and it's good, too!
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/SipBite-2.jpg
"Toomey's Hiawatha Tavern". Now known as Freddy's Steak House. They have pretty good steak in there. If you like bleu cheese dressing, they have the best that I have tasted and they heap in on, too. If you don't love bleu cheese, don't bother.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Freddys.jpg
I remember the place on the left as being some kind of frat house. Behind it, they were working on building some kind of Nordic style boat what seemed like forever. I don't know what ever became of it. I think the frat moved to a place across the street from Pow-Wow Drive-In. This place then became a shop that sold cheap work clothes and gloves. Next door was the A&P store, although I don't remember it as such. I do remember a grocery store there in the 60's, but it wasn't A&P.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Frat-AP.jpg
Of course we all remember Hill's Hammond Times Agency.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Hills-1.jpg
For the 60's Hill's. Check out the '57 Chevy parked there!...
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/OldHills.jpg
Ken, I was telling you of a house that I remember a Mr. Christianson living in. This is the house, the little red brick one. He also owned the little grey building in front that was "Triangle Repair". I worked there in 67 and we repaired electrical items there. I never knew until I took this pic that both structures shared the same address.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Triangle.jpg
Here are all of those places on the west side of Kennedy. According to the 1952 city directory, none of these places existed at that time except for Sip & Bite which was called "M & M Grill" then.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/6800.jpg
Then there are some things that will never change. Do you remember, as a kid, climbing all over this thing? Did you ever find the trigger so that you could come back at night and fire your old man's bowling ball out of it? I didn't.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/cannon.jpg
*A new developement*
I just talked to mom and as of yesterday (8/15/07), she observed people taking down what ever signs were on the Hansen Branch, the 'Little Library' as she calls it. I don't know what's happening there, but she is going to keep an eye on it and keep me informed. I certainly hope they are not considering this as a future site for another McDonald's!............Cj |
08-16-2007
( Reply#: 1713 ) |
S C Jones |
Great contrasting photos of the East side of Kennedy Ave. The thing I noticed first is that the rooftop facade of the Ace Theater/Janc Drugs Building is missing in the newer, less appealing Kennedy Ave.
Also, the Sip and Bite "Hangover Haven" known as a place I, as a young female, should not go into--at least alone! In 1985 or so, my brother and I were up taking our mother to a nursing home and we ate at the Kennedy Cafe. I have to say, the breakfast was good.
Does anyone have a picture of the original building with the sign painted on its side? Am I remembering that correctly, that Sip and Bite was painted on the parking lot side?
Sue
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
08-17-2007
( Reply#: 1714 ) |
wvcogs |
Folks, I could have painted a better looking sign on the side of a building. Yes, it would have been ugly, but not that ugly...
My greatest memory of the Sip 'N Bite in the '50s is seeing the cook working at the grill with a cigarette in her mouth with about a two inch ash hanging off it.
What Cj referred to as the "frat house" was Kolbert Furniture way back when, that is in the middle 1950s. And, the place at 6810 Kennedy Avenue where Cj worked in 1967 was Roy's Radio and Television in 1956.
It's hard to believe that someone still has a TV antenna on that two story building on Kennedy. Could it be the same one that was there in the 1950s shot?
If you had been able to find the trigger on that old cannon parked next to the Legion hall, all your old man's bowling ball would have hit would have been the big old trees in the empty lots across Kennedy.
Painting over the old sign is bad enough. Surely noone will think of demolishing the "Little Library."
Have a wonderful weekend everyone.
Ken... |
08-17-2007
( Reply#: 1715 ) |
seejay2 |
Isn't that sign the most atrocious looking thing you've ever seen? As a kid, I peed my name into the snow better than that! If that sign is a reflection on the kind of work he does, you are better off wearing work clothes!
I really would like to know what became of the boat those guys built back there. I only remember the frat house there. I don't remember the A&P either, but mom had an arguement with someone about it and she won the debate with one of those pix that got posted a while back.
I do seem to remember a "Roy's" now that you mention it. We went there on Halloween night and he had something rigged up to jump around on the door. I don't remember what it was and would have forgotten about it completely if you haden't brought it up. A black guy named Willie Hearnes had the business when I was in school and called it "Triangle Repair". After I left there, he moved everything right across the street to a bigger building. I do have a pic of him standing in front of the place, but not with me right now. I'll post it later. Willie just passed a few years
That looks like the same antenna! Why not? I know people why keep their Christmas trees up all their lives rather than fool with them. It even lookes like the chimney (chimily,ha!) was redone and the frugal soul kept the antenna on it. It must have been one of the good ones that used to pull Milwaukee in on channel 4 on a good day, remember that?
Can you imagine the bowling ball hitting a tree and then bouncing back right through the old man's windshield as he was looking for you and his missing ball? Time to join the circus for sure--if he let you live!
I'll keep an eye on the library.........Cj
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08-19-2007
( Reply#: 1716 ) |
Bill Bucko |
I've just listened to the "Ice Cream Riot" broadcast, the second part of which describes lightning hitting the young Shep's ham radio antenna and putting a crack in the wall of his house.
At 1 hr 39 min Shep says his family moved away, across town, and "never went back to Cleveland Street."
If true, that might partly explain some of the oddities I've noted, about Shep mentioning parks and hangouts on the west (downtown) side of town, but never mentioning Lost Park, the huge vacant tract with oak trees (s.w. corner of 165th and Kennedy Ave.), or the vast prairie between McCook and Indianapolis Blvd (south of IHB's Gibson Yard) where my family's dogs chased rabbits.
On the other hand, there's still the fact that in the Josephine Cowznofski story, Shep says he hitched a ride across town (presumably from Cleveland Street), to Hammond High School. Which he would not have needed to do, if the family had already moved west. Perhaps, among the hazards of growing up, the Cowznofski affair and Shep's desperate chase by Stosh came first, followed by the lightning strike?
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-19-2007
( Reply#: 1717 ) |
m10bob |
I think Shep was using "writers' license" to embellish for humours' sake when he claimed they moved off Cleveland street, because in at least one telling of the same story, he claims they moved to Arizona street, (which locals know is 1 lot west of his home, next to Emge's folly.)[:o)]
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk |
08-19-2007
( Reply#: 1718 ) |
charlieslou |
Thanks for the attempt, seejay. I haven't found the picture of it either. Next time I talk to my ma I'll see if she has one. |
08-20-2007
( Reply#: 1719 ) |
seejay2 |
I think maybe the thing to do now is, since they have those Opinion and 'Voice Of' sections in the paper, maybe I'll just ask if anybody took a photo of that and see if they are willing to share. I'm sure somebody took a photo.......Cj |
08-20-2007
( Reply#: 1720 ) |
golfwidow |
Hi Tom, thanks for trying to help. We lived on 171st and Jefferson, near Edison School and Dairy Belle. We live in Crown Point now. We just drove through Hammond yesterday, my parents are visiting from Florida, and we took a trip dodwn memory lane, haha. We still can't remember the name of that grocery store. It was on the NW corner of 175th and Calumet . Thanks again. |
08-21-2007
( Reply#: 1721 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by golfwidow
Hi Tom, thanks for trying to help. We lived on 171st and Jefferson, near Edison School and Dairy Belle. We live in Crown Point now. We just drove through Hammond yesterday, my parents are visiting from Florida, and we took a trip dodwn memory lane, haha. We still can't remember the name of that grocery store. It was on the NW corner of 175th and Calumet . Thanks again.
Golfwidow:
Hey, I was just with a WHOLE BUNCH of Edison kids. Well, they were 58 year old "kids." We had our 40th class reunion for the Hammond High Class of 1967 a couple weeks ago, and many Edison School alumni were there.
I was talking to one of those Edison folks who attended the HHS reunion just yesterday, and I asked her about that grocery store. She remembers a Jewel store on the NW corner of 175th and Calumet. She said it may have been under some other name before or after it was a Jewel, but she said it was definitely a Jewel for a while.
Does that sound right to you?
Where did you go to high school? What was your graduation year?
I grew up six houses off of 165th St on Woodward Avenue, which is two blocks east of Calumet. I went to Wallace, Washington, then HHS.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
08-24-2007
( Reply#: 1722 ) |
golfwidow |
Tom, you'll probably say I'm a youngster, I graduated Gavit in 89. We had to get "special" permission for my sister and me to attend Gavit instead of HHS, because the cut off boundary then was Calumet Ave. My dad taught at Griffith Junior High and he drove right by Gavit on his way to work, so for convenience we went to Gavit. My brother went to Tech. He graduated in 79 or 80, I believe.
Thanks for the info on the grocery store. I don't remember it being a Jewel, but I'll pass it on to my parents and see if that jogs anyones memory. |
08-24-2007
( Reply#: 1723 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by golfwidow
Tom, you'll probably say I'm a youngster, I graduated Gavit in 89. We had to get "special" permission for my sister and me to attend Gavit instead of HHS, because the cut off boundary then was Calumet Ave. My dad taught at Griffith Junior High and he drove right by Gavit on his way to work, so for convenience we went to Gavit. My brother went to Tech. He graduated in 79 or 80, I believe.
Thanks for the info on the grocery store. I don't remember it being a Jewel, but I'll pass it on to my parents and see if that jogs anyones memory.
Golfwidow:
Graduated in 1989! I KNEW I could smell milk on your breath! :)
I guess that means you were born in 1971? Man, I was graduated from Purdue the year that you were born.
Your parents are probably not much older than I, right? They might not be ANY older than I, for that matter. Tell them to come to this forum and reminisce with me about the Hammond of the 1960s.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
08-25-2007
( Reply#: 1724 ) |
golfwidow |
My dad graduated BNI (then Catholic Central) in 50, he grew up in North Hammond (Hickory St) went to Irving Elem. and my mom graduated Hirsch High (Chicago) in 56 (?), they are 75 and 70 yrs old. I'll have to see if my dad will want to check this website out. He's the one to sit at the computer, not my mom. |
08-25-2007
( Reply#: 1725 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by golfwidow
My dad graduated BNI (then Catholic Central) in 50, he grew up in North Hammond (Hickory St) went to Irving Elem. and my mom graduated Hirsch High (Chicago) in 56 (?), they are 75 and 70 yrs old. I'll have to see if my dad will want to check this website out. He's the one to sit at the computer, not my mom.
OK, your folks are several years older than I. I'm 58 years old.
Hey, it's great if your dad is computer-savvy. There are lots of people of my age who never got into computers, so if a 75 year old knows how to use one, that's fantastic.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
09-03-2007
( Reply#: 1727 ) |
dagwood |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro2am
Lynn,
AFAIK the building that housed Carney's is still there (NW corner of Orchard Drive & Grand); I don't know what business currently occupies it.
Scott school is on the NE corner of 173rd & Grand, a ways north of Carney's across the NS ex-NKP railroad tracks. The other three corners of this intersection have houses (and always have).
I don't recall what used to be east of Carney's (across Grand) but there's an apartment complex there now. South of it (across Orchard Drive) is - or at least used to be - a little league baseball field and Orchard Drive elementary school - which I belive was recently torn down. :)
Mike R.
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quote:
Originally posted by lynndesert
Mike, thanks for the update. Had no idea there is a school at that corner. Funny, I had to pass that corner almost every day and couldn't remember was what across the street from Carney's. What's on the corner where Carney's used to be?
Lynn
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09-03-2007
( Reply#: 1728 ) |
dagwood |
I went to scholl at OLPH and sat with carl carney, broach and chamberlain for years carl was a great guy and last I saw him he was investigating some rough stuff at the kenwood tap. anyone know where he isquote:
Originally posted by dagwood
quote:
Originally posted by Pro2am
Lynn,
AFAIK the building that housed Carney's is still there (NW corner of Orchard Drive & Grand); I don't know what business currently occupies it.
Scott school is on the NE corner of 173rd & Grand, a ways north of Carney's across the NS ex-NKP railroad tracks. The other three corners of this intersection have houses (and always have).
I don't recall what used to be east of Carney's (across Grand) but there's an apartment complex there now. South of it (across Orchard Drive) is - or at least used to be - a little league baseball field and Orchard Drive elementary school - which I belive was recently torn down. :)
Mike R.
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quote:
Originally posted by lynndesert
Mike, thanks for the update. Had no idea there is a school at that corner. Funny, I had to pass that corner almost every day and couldn't remember was what across the street from Carney's. What's on the corner where Carney's used to be?
Lynn
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09-04-2007
( Reply#: 1729 ) |
seejay2 |
Hi Dag and Welcome!
Carney's is now a pizza joint.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Carney-1.jpg[/IMG]
I don't know what he is up to now, but last time I saw him he was on the Hammond Police force and he had a gun draw while running for some building on Indianapolis Blvd. I could see it was no time for chit-chat so I continued on my way. Are you in the area or moved elsewhere?
Cj |
09-04-2007
( Reply#: 1730 ) |
Tom J |
You can see that Carney's building when it was just a hole in the groudnd if you get a copy of the Mid-American Heritage Preservation Society's video called "Hammond in the 1960s."
Mid-American Heritage Preservation Society (MAHP) accepts home video footage and digitalizes it to preserve it. They make compilation DVDs and VCRs for sale to the public, so if you want to see some scenes of Hammond from those glorious days of the 1960s, get yourself a copy of one of those DVDs or VCRs.
You can contact Anthony Diaz of MAHP at 219-933-1123. Anthony works shift work at a steel mill, so you may have to leave a message.
We really ought to support the work of MAHP, because as their name implies, they are really preserving our heritage.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
09-11-2007
( Reply#: 1731 ) |
charlieslou |
Hi everyone. I haven't posted in a while and simply wanted to say hello from central PA.
Tod |
09-30-2007
( Reply#: 1745 ) |
svea3 |
Welcome back.[8)] |
10-19-2007
( Reply#: 1808 ) |
Jim |
Ok, it seems like everyone likes to reminisce. Here's another category that I haven’t seen yet.
How about those fun little jobs at Warren G Harding that probably weren’t quite important enough to include on our résumés.
1) Rug monitor in kindergarten - Responsible for pulling rugs from the cabinet and getting them to the right classmates before morning or afternoon naptime. Then making sure they were rolled properly and returned to their correct places for the next day.
2) Milk delivery – Responsible for selecting helpers, collecting the attendance sheets from each class for a correct count, receiving milk from the milkman, loading the cartons into individual milk crates, loading the crates onto a pull cart, and then making deliveries to each classroom. Then later returning to collect the empty crates. I loved running through the hallways and pulling each other when returning the empty cart after delivery.
3) Erasure cleaning – The kids chosen by the teacher on Friday each week to take the blackboard erasures from the class room, taking the walk down the stairs to the basement, and finding your way through the dark tunnel to the electric erasure cleaning machine. I do remember it being quite noisy and running it for much longer than necessary.
4) Taking messages to the janitor in the boiler room – I distinctly remember wandering through the tunnel to the boiler room at least a half dozen times but don’t remember why. Probably needing help in adjusting the temperature in a room or letting him know there was an ‘accident’ that needed cleaning. I’m sure this is where I got my later interest for spelunking.
5) Patrol boys – The older students selected to assist other kids at intersections close to school. The training consisted of learning the proper arm waving to signal others stationed at least a block away that it was time to get to class and learning how to refold the white shoulder belts and attaching them to your belt. Wearing a belt through the day was somewhat of an honor. I remember this being a very desirable job since we stayed at the corners for another 5 minutes after school had started and it would take another 5 minutes to get to class. Were there any patrol "girls" ?
Too bad none of our kids and grandkids ever had the opportunity for this much fun.
Note: we are all adults now, so please do not feel badly if you didn’t get to participate in some of these activities. And, yes, please add your own stories as they come to mind. I’ll handle the disappointment as best I can! |
10-21-2007
( Reply#: 1821 ) |
svea3 |
BATHROOM MONITOR
I WAS one for the girl's bathroom in Miss Blount's room. HORROR I reported a fight between two sixth grade girls to Miss Blount. I was threatened by the two participants. Yikes I didn't want to do that one again. Fortunately, they went North and I scooted South after school. I never assigned that duty to any of my own students. It was too scary!
LIBRARY AIDE Responsible for checking in/out the library books. Read the shelves for accuracy of the alphabetizing of the books in the fiction section and by numbers and alphabet in the non-fiction section. I received an almanac for the duties performed from Miss Allemon.
Now this stood in good stead. I was Librarian for three years, Also I was the Safety Patrol Advisor for one of my scools. We would go to the Tigers' games yearly. My best captain was the son of a don in the mafia. They were all on duty from 8 am and left at 4pm. They were the BEST ever.
Teahing was a wonderful charge. One of my classes is having a 30 year reunion from HS and also meeting with me, their 6th grade teacher, for a reunion of their Elementary class.[:0]
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10-21-2007
( Reply#: 1823 ) |
seejay2 |
BATHROOM and HALL MONITORS are entry level NARCS, Linda. You gotta prepare for a life of looking over your shoulder when you enter into that cloak-and-dagger lifestyle....Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/NARC.jpg[/IMG] |
11-13-2007
( Reply#: 1839 ) |
svea3 |
SEEJAY
[8D] I know sometimes I think this role is a part of "womens" genes. No boy would EVER participate on such subterfuge (LL from Mr Ruff).
I hate it when I live up to my stereotype[:I] |
11-14-2007
( Reply#: 1841 ) |
seejay2 |
Ya wanna bet? My first half-hour in Morton resulted in a male hall monitor hammering me for wandering around in the hall without a pass. I'm certain that guys like that went on to become MPs in Viet Nam..........Cj |
11-19-2007
( Reply#: 1850 ) |
svea3 |
OK You are right.
You know that cops are suppose to have a nice I Q-105. They probably indeed got their training as hall or bathroom monitors,for sure.[:I]
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11-20-2007
( Reply#: 1851 ) |
seejay2 |
Are you talking one guy or the whole unit in aggregate with 105? Cj |
11-22-2007
( Reply#: 1852 ) |
svea3 |
Their totality/ sum of might be 105[:I] |
11-22-2007
( Reply#: 1853 ) |
svea3 |
Now that I am laughing about the nature of our topic which started with my ilk of bathroom monitors, I mean no offense to anyone. In our state,the troopers/police are in the same retirement category of teachers![;)] |
12-17-2007
( Reply#: 1865 ) |
Bill Bucko |
The Viaduct Shep mentions in connection with the great "Banana Oil spill" must certainly have been the Indianapolis Blvd. Viaduct (completed 1937), over the Indiana Harbor Belt railroad yard (for link to photo, see below). Though it's not clear to me why his car would need to go over the Viaduct, on the way home from Hammond High School. Which intersection? Sounds like Michigan Street, at the north end of the Viaduct. Shep mentions the "Griselli Chemical Company" (Stauffer Chemical Company stood on the southeast corner, in the '50s and '60s) and Standard Oil (whose refinery/tank farm was also there, just east of the chemical company). Stauffer Chemical did indeed have huge piles of sulfur, out in the open (for the manufacture of sulfuric acid) -- though in my day, surrounded by such high fences that I'm sure no kid could ever get in to sled on them.
"3 1/2 miles to home"? Not so. Poetic license. Just 2 miles. I walked there from home frequently, on my way to the South Shore RR station just north of the Viaduct.
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See my post on page 4 of this thread:
"Here's a nice photo taken in the '50s from the big Indianapolis Blvd. Viaduct (built 1937), looking roughly northeast, and showing just the eastern half of the IHB freight yard:
http://www.hammondindiana.com/20thcentury/time_capsule06.htm
The low white structures on the far horizon are the Shell Oil Co. tank farm, along the (flammable) Calumet River. In that general direction, about 3 miles away, lie the steel mills. My neighborhood, and Shep's several blocks further away, would be off the photo, near the top right corner."
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Possible correction: I just checked my Hammond industries map. I'm not sure whether Shep says Standard Oil or Shell Oil. But in the 1960s, the refinery/tank farms both south of Michigan Ave. (i.e. just to the east of the chemical co.) and north of Michigan Ave. (i.e. along the shore of the Grand Calumet River) are marked "Shell Petroleum Corp."
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Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
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12-17-2007
( Reply#: 1866 ) |
Dave |
There is/was a GRASSELLI chemical plant in EC, I know not where. It was a big NE IN employer during the Depression. Grasselli was later taken over by DuPont.
"Viaduct", to me, means a road that goes UNDER a railroad. A bridge goes over. |
12-17-2007
( Reply#: 1867 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Dave[/i]
[br]There is/was a GRASSELLI chemical plant in EC, I know not where. It was a big NE IN employer during the Depression. Grasselli was later taken over by DuPont.
"Viaduct", to me, means a road that goes UNDER a railroad. A bridge goes over.
I thought it was the means by which the hot air from the furnace was distributed throughout the house. :)
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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12-17-2007
( Reply#: 1868 ) |
duane |
[quote][i]Originally posted by Dave[/i]
[br]There is/was a GRASSELLI chemical plant in EC, I know not where. It was a big NE IN employer during the Depression. Grasselli was later taken over by DuPont.
Grasselli was one of the first industries in the East Chicago area, begun in the late 1890's. My grandfather worked there. Sometime, likely in the 1940s or 50's (I'm guessing) it became DuPont de Neumors, and most recently I believe it was acquired by Grace company and still exists at the same site. It is located on Kennedy Avenue, just north of E. Michigan Street and along the north side of the Grand Calumet River. Just to the west, on the other side of Kennedy Ave, was US LEAD reduction company. US Lead has been gone for at least a decade or more, and the area is fenced off and covered over with soil because it is contaminated. A site that has some history about this area is located at the following link. You've got to scroll down to find the relevant information. http://www.lrc.usace.army.mil/E-Chicago/section3.pdf
An here is the definition of viaduct, which describes EXACTLY the bridge on Indianapolis Boulevard over the harbor belt tracks.
viaduct ( ) n. A series of spans or arches used to carry a road or railroad over a wide valley or over other roads or railroads.
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12-17-2007
( Reply#: 1869 ) |
duane |
Link to some photos of Indy Blvd Viaduct itself and when under construction. http://www.hammondindiana.com/20thcentury/time_capsule52.htm |
12-18-2007
( Reply#: 1870 ) |
Bill Bucko |
For those who haven't seen it, here's a LARGE, DETAILED map of Hammond & East Chicago industries, issued by the Hammond School Board in 1964:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w292/billbucko/Hammondmap-industries.jpg
The original is 1805 x 3146 pixels; but Photobucket is probably going to condense its size. If you'd like a copy of the original, just e-mail me.
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Yes, Photobucket did reduce it to roughly 1/3 size. You MUST see the original, if seriously interested.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
12-24-2007
( Reply#: 1872 ) |
svea3 |
AH Wunderbar 24 hours has begun[;)]
The fellow mentioned IN sticking his tongue to the RR track was "Cotton Reichardt" ,my Dad's cousin. WOW I am recording it again as IF I won't see it again in the next 24 hours!
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL [^]
Linda |
12-27-2007
( Reply#: 1873 ) |
svea3 |
[^]
According to Mr Ruff 'THE Latin Teacher' at Morton...
VIA = road (noun)
DUCT = carry ( verb)
It is still Christmas! Merry to all.[8)]
Linda |
01-01-2008
( Reply#: 1874 ) |
Jim |
Mr. Ruff would be proud of you !!
From Wikipedia, (my source of all knowledge)
A viaduct is a bridge composed of several small spans. The term viaduct is derived from the Latin via for road and duco to lead something. However, the Ancient Romans did not use that term per se; it is a modern derivation from an analogy with aqueduct. Like the Roman aqueducts, many early viaducts comprised a series of arches of roughly equal length. Viaducts may span land or water.
Where was the internet and Wikipedia when I had to do research using the 26 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica with 10 annual supplements?
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02-12-2008
( Reply#: 1882 ) |
Tom J |
Well, Peeps, it has been nearly a month and a half since anyone has posted on this thread. This may not be of any interest to anyone here, but at least it IS a post.
I wrote this little essay about my dad a short time ago, and I thought I would share it with my buddies here.
Tom
My Reliable Dad
My dad, Paul Johnson, died on September 27, 1994, as a result of bone cancer. He was seventy-nine years old at the time of his death, but the last two years of Dad's life could hardly be called living. He deserved so much better!
Dad lost his left arm due to an accidental discharge of his shotgun when he was only sixteen. It was 40 miles to the nearest hospital from Dad's home in rural western Kentucky back in those days, and he nearly bled to death before family members could get him there. The doctors amputated what little was left of Dad's arm, and he was left with just a stub that ended a few inches below his shoulder.
I cannot imagine how devastating this must have been for him. A young man of sixteen would be very conscious of his appearance, and he must have wondered how people would react to his missing arm, especially the girls. Of course, he would have to learn how to do with one hand the things he had always done with two.
Dad was simply amazing in the way he adapted to having only one arm. He could tie his shoes and neckties, and he could tie fishing knots. I'm not aware of anything that a person would normally need to do that Dad could not do. He never used a prosthetic arm; he just learned to use his one hand to do the things he needed to do.
He must have had his moments of anguish, especially when he was young, but I never even once got the impression that Dad felt sorry for himself. His lack of a left arm was a non-issue in his role as my dad, and I almost decided it was not even worth mentioning in my recollections about him.
In the final analysis, I decided that while he made no big deal of it, it truly was an amazing thing the way Dad overcame his handicap so completely that it was really no handicap at all. I think this speaks volumes about his character, and so I have included it.
In describing my dad to someone, there are many terms that I would have to use: Dad was honest, friendly, unassuming, hard-working, devoted, and faithful. The first word to come to mind, though, would be "reliable."
Reliability is, in my book, one of the greatest character traits. It is a trait that is not ascribed to a person until he has proven over time that he deserves it. In this ever-changing world, we need people in our lives on whom we know that we can depend. My dad was such a person. My mom and I were always able to rely on Dad, and he never let us down; he was our rock.
Dad was totally dedicated to his family, and he worked hard to provide for us. He worked a regular job as the superintendent of the parking facilities for the Edward C. Minas Company, a large department store that until its closing in 1984 was one of the anchor businesses of the downtown area of Hammond, Indiana, my hometown. Dad was responsible for the daily operation and maintenance of the outdoor parking lot and the four story parking garage that were owned by the store.
The Minas Company relied on Dad to keep the store's parking facilities looking good and functioning efficiently. It was important to the store that the customers found the parking to be easy and convenient and the parking attendants to be polite and friendly; the parking facilities were where customers formed their first and their last impressions of the Edward C. Minas Company on each of their visits. Dad was well aware of this and accepted it as a personal challenge to make the parking experience as pleasant as he possibly could for the Minas customers.
Dad's regular job led to his starting his own business. Part of his job in maintaining the Minas parking facilities was to repaint the lines for the parking stalls periodically. He eventually bought the striping equipment from the Minas Company and went into business for himself, painting parking lots in Hammond and the surrounding communities. He named his business "City Parking Engineers" and later changed it to "Tru-Line Striping Company." The Edward C. Minas Company, his employer, became his first customer.
The business grew by leaps and bounds, and Dad soon found that he didn't have to spend a lot of time recruiting new customers; they were contacting him on their own to obtain his services. Dad would always show up to paint at the time he had promised the customer that he would, unless the weather prevented it.
If the parking lot was new or had just been re-surfaced and there was no blueprint for the parking layout, Dad would apply his skills in designing the optimum parking scheme, so that the maximum number of cars could be accommodated, while at the same time providing easy parking that did not require tricky maneuvering on the part of the store's customers. He knew when to use straight-in parking, when to use angle parking, and how wide to make the driveways for either type. Dad understood that the parking must be easy in order to keep the store's customers coming back.
As far as the actual painting, Dad always did a good job, making the lines straight and even and putting down a uniform and generous coat of good quality paint, with no fuzzy edges on the lines. Parking lots looked great when Dad was finished with his work. His reputation for reliable work led to all the business he could handle. There's that word again, "reliable."
Dad's employer, the Edward C. Minas Company, found him to be reliable, his customers in his painting business found him to be reliable, and his family, my mom and I, found him to be reliable.
My dad made tremendous sacrifices for Mom and me, but he went about it in such a quiet, matter-of-fact way that it did not appear that he was doing anything special. I suppose in Dad's mind he wasn't doing anything special, just supporting his family. It never occurred to him to do less than his best to support us.
Dad loved to hunt and fish, but instead of heading for the fields or the lakes when he got up before daylight on the days when the downtown stores were open until 9:00 PM, the days when he didn't have to report to his regular job until noon, he headed for some parking lot that needed painting and was ready to begin working when the sun came up.
I helped Dad with many of the parking lots that he painted when I wasn't in school, but he was always good about getting someone else to help him, if I had something that I wanted to do. Even though he was doing it all for me, he paid me for my time, and the money was mine to spend as I saw fit.
Despite all the long hours that Dad worked, he still took time once in a while to take me hunting or fishing. We sometimes camped beside the Kankakee River on weekends and fished using set lines baited with large minnows. We would set up camp, then get in the boat and go upriver to set out the lines and bait the hooks. Every two hours or so we would go check our lines, harvest our catch, and re-bait the hooks. I cherish the memories of those trips.
I remember working crossword puzzles with Dad. He loved those things, and The Hammond Times, our local newspaper, had one every day. When I became old enough to help him, it was something that we did together after supper, or on Sunday afternoons, when we would work the extra big crossword puzzle that was always included in the Sunday paper.
I would sit on the arm of his chair, or sit beside him on the couch, and would look over his shoulder. Whenever I figured out a word, I would tell him where it was, and he would pencil it in. Looking back on the times that we did this when I was still very young, I'm sure that he purposely left some words that he knew blank, so that I could figure them out.
As I sat there looking over Dad's shoulder while we worked the crossword puzzles in the evening, I could smell a pleasant, distinctive odor emanating from him. It was not the artificial smell of deodorant or after shave, although Dad used both, but it was a natural, manly smell, one component of which, I'm sure, was the faint smell of perspiration.
Mom, Dad, and I watched certain TV shows each week as a family. I have especially fond memories of our family viewings of Gunsmoke, Bonanza, and The Wonderful World of Disney. I remember how Dad would make a big deal over Miss Kitty while we watched Gunsmoke, and I think he was just doing it to get a reaction out of Mom, which he usually did.
I am very proud that this man whom the Edward C. Minas company, the customers of Tru-Line Striping Company, and Mom and I relied upon was my dad. He never once let any of us down.
Mom relied upon Dad to be faithful to her, and he was. We both relied upon Dad to be the family breadwinner, and because he worked two jobs, Mom was able to stay home and be a full time mother to me.
God also relied upon Dad; He relied upon Dad to take me to church every Sunday, and Dad was faithful in this matter. As a result, I came to know Jesus as my Savior when I was eleven years old. Of all the wonderful things that my dad did for me, his taking me to church every Sunday was the most important; it was Dad's greatest gift to me.
I cannot remember even one occasion when Dad told me that he loved me, but neither can I remember ever doubting for a moment that he did. Dad preferred to show me that he loved me, rather than to tell me that he loved me. I miss my dad very much.
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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02-21-2008
( Reply#: 1883 ) |
svea3 |
svea3quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Well, Peeps, it has been nearly a month and a half since anyone has posted on this thread. This may not be of any interest to anyone here, but at least it IS a post.
I wrote this little essay about my dad a short time ago, and I thought I would share it with my buddies here.
Tom
My Reliable Dad
My dad, Paul Johnson, died on September 27, 1994, as a result of bone cancer. He was seventy-nine years old at the time of his death, but the last two years of Dad's life could hardly be called living. He deserved so much better!
Dad lost his left arm due to an accidental discharge of his shotgun when he was only sixteen. It was 40 miles to the nearest hospital from Dad's home in rural western Kentucky back in those days, and he nearly bled to death before family members could get him there. The doctors amputated what little was left of Dad's arm, and he was left with just a stub that ended a few inches below his shoulder.
I cannot imagine how devastating this must have been for him. A young man of sixteen would be very conscious of his appearance, and he must have wondered how people would react to his missing arm, especially the girls. Of course, he would have to learn how to do with one hand the things he had always done with two.
Dad was simply amazing in the way he adapted to having only one arm. He could tie his shoes and neckties, and he could tie fishing knots. I'm not aware of anything that a person would normally need to do that Dad could not do. He never used a prosthetic arm; he just learned to use his one hand to do the things he needed to do.
He must have had his moments of anguish, especially when he was young, but I never even once got the impression that Dad felt sorry for himself. His lack of a left arm was a non-issue in his role as my dad, and I almost decided it was not even worth mentioning in my recollections about him.
In the final analysis, I decided that while he made no big deal of it, it truly was an amazing thing the way Dad overcame his handicap so completely that it was really no handicap at all. I think this speaks volumes about his character, and so I have included it.
In describing my dad to someone, there are many terms that I would have to use: Dad was honest, friendly, unassuming, hard-working, devoted, and faithful. The first word to come to mind, though, would be "reliable."
Reliability is, in my book, one of the greatest character traits. It is a trait that is not ascribed to a person until he has proven over time that he deserves it. In this ever-changing world, we need people in our lives on whom we know that we can depend. My dad was such a person. My mom and I were always able to rely on Dad, and he never let us down; he was our rock.
Dad was totally dedicated to his family, and he worked hard to provide for us. He worked a regular job as the superintendent of the parking facilities for the Edward C. Minas Company, a large department store that until its closing in 1984 was one of the anchor businesses of the downtown area of Hammond, Indiana, my hometown. Dad was responsible for the daily operation and maintenance of the outdoor parking lot and the four story parking garage that were owned by the store.
The Minas Company relied on Dad to keep the store's parking facilities looking good and functioning efficiently. It was important to the store that the customers found the parking to be easy and convenient and the parking attendants to be polite and friendly; the parking facilities were where customers formed their first and their last impressions of the Edward C. Minas Company on each of their visits. Dad was well aware of this and accepted it as a personal challenge to make the parking experience as pleasant as he possibly could for the Minas customers.
Dad's regular job led to his starting his own business. Part of his job in maintaining the Minas parking facilities was to repaint the lines for the parking stalls periodically. He eventually bought the striping equipment from the Minas Company and went into business for himself, painting parking lots in Hammond and the surrounding communities. He named his business "City Parking Engineers" and later changed it to "Tru-Line Striping Company." The Edward C. Minas Company, his employer, became his first customer.
The business grew by leaps and bounds, and Dad soon found that he didn't have to spend a lot of time recruiting new customers; they were contacting him on their own to obtain his services. Dad would always show up to paint at the time he had promised the customer that he would, unless the weather prevented it.
If the parking lot was new or had just been re-surfaced and there was no blueprint for the parking layout, Dad would apply his skills in designing the optimum parking scheme, so that the maximum number of cars could be accommodated, while at the same time providing easy parking that did not require tricky maneuvering on the part of the store's customers. He knew when to use straight-in parking, when to use angle parking, and how wide to make the driveways for either type. Dad understood that the parking must be easy in order to keep the store's customers coming back.
As far as the actual painting, Dad always did a good job, making the lines straight and even and putting down a uniform and generous coat of good quality paint, with no fuzzy edges on the lines. Parking lots looked great when Dad was finished with his work. His reputation for reliable work led to all the business he could handle. There's that word again, "reliable."
Dad's employer, the Edward C. Minas Company, found him to be reliable, his customers in his painting business found him to be reliable, and his family, my mom and I, found him to be reliable.
My dad made tremendous sacrifices for Mom and me, but he went about it in such a quiet, matter-of-fact way that it did not appear that he was doing anything special. I suppose in Dad's mind he wasn't doing anything special, just supporting his family. It never occurred to him to do less than his best to support us.
Dad loved to hunt and fish, but instead of heading for the fields or the lakes when he got up before daylight on the days when the downtown stores were open until 9:00 PM, the days when he didn't have to report to his regular job until noon, he headed for some parking lot that needed painting and was ready to begin working when the sun came up.
I helped Dad with many of the parking lots that he painted when I wasn't in school, but he was always good about getting someone else to help him, if I had something that I wanted to do. Even though he was doing it all for me, he paid me for my time, and the money was mine to spend as I saw fit.
Despite all the long hours that Dad worked, he still took time once in a while to take me hunting or fishing. We sometimes camped beside the Kankakee River on weekends and fished using set lines baited with large minnows. We would set up camp, then get in the boat and go upriver to set out the lines and bait the hooks. Every two hours or so we would go check our lines, harvest our catch, and re-bait the hooks. I cherish the memories of those trips.
I remember working crossword puzzles with Dad. He loved those things, and The Hammond Times, our local newspaper, had one every day. When I became old enough to help him, it was something that we did together after supper, or on Sunday afternoons, when we would work the extra big crossword puzzle that was always included in the Sunday paper.
I would sit on the arm of his chair, or sit beside him on the couch, and would look over his shoulder. Whenever I figured out a word, I would tell him where it was, and he would pencil it in. Looking back on the times that we did this when I was still very young, I'm sure that he purposely left some words that he knew blank, so that I could figure them out.
As I sat there looking over Dad's shoulder while we worked the crossword puzzles in the evening, I could smell a pleasant, distinctive odor emanating from him. It was not the artificial smell of deodorant or after shave, although Dad used both, but it was a natural, manly smell, one component of which, I'm sure, was the faint smell of perspiration.
Mom, Dad, and I watched certain TV shows each week as a family. I have especially fond memories of our family viewings of Gunsmoke, Bonanza, and The Wonderful World of Disney. I remember how Dad would make a big deal over Miss Kitty while we watched Gunsmoke, and I think he was just doing it to get a reaction out of Mom, which he usually did.
I am very proud that this man whom the Edward C. Minas company, the customers of Tru-Line Striping Company, and Mom and I relied upon was my dad. He never once let any of us down.
Mom relied upon Dad to be faithful to her, and he was. We both relied upon Dad to be the family breadwinner, and because he worked two jobs, Mom was able to stay home and be a full time mother to me.
God also relied upon Dad; He relied upon Dad to take me to church every Sunday, and Dad was faithful in this matter. As a result, I came to know Jesus as my Savior when I was eleven years old. Of all the wonderful things that my dad did for me, his taking me to church every Sunday was the most important; it was Dad's greatest gift to me.
I cannot remember even one occasion when Dad told me that he loved me, but neither can I remember ever doubting for a moment that he did. Dad preferred to show me that he loved me, rather than to tell me that he loved me. I miss my dad very much.
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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02-21-2008
( Reply#: 1884 ) |
svea3 |
Your essay is oh so inspirational.
[:I]
Your dad is and was the backbone of the good ole USA.
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02-21-2008
( Reply#: 1885 ) |
Tom J |
Thanks, Linda.
It's sad that we so often don't fully appreciate someone until after they are gone. I would spend a lot more time with my dad, if I could somehow go back and relive the last years that he was still here.
I wish we could get some posting going in here again!
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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02-29-2008
( Reply#: 1886 ) |
Tom J |
Will somebody please post, for Pete's sake?
We had a good thing going here. What happened?
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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02-29-2008
( Reply#: 1887 ) |
cartoonguy |
Alright, alright, I'm posting, I’m posting, in fact this is my first time, please be gentle. Greetings all, my name is Bill, and I was born in and raised in Hammond, I went to Woodrow Wilson Elementary, and was a student at both Gavit and Morton High, graduated in 1978. I left Hammond in 1992, lived in Chicago until 1996; I now reside in California, and work in the Animation Industry. Some of my fondest memories were working as an usher at the Paramount Theatre, Hammond at Christmas time, watching Creature Features on Saturday nights, the snow storm of 1967, the blizzard of 1979, and many more. |
03-01-2008
( Reply#: 1888 ) |
Tom J |
Welcome, Cartoonguy! Thanks for breaking the ice and making your first post.
I hope some new blood in here will stimulate some posting.
That's cool that you were an usher at the Paramount. I saw a few flicks there "back in the day."
I'm a 1967 HHS grad, so it appears that I am eleven years your senior. That makes us close enough in age to remember a lot of the same things about Hammond.
I share your fond memories of downtown Hammond in the Christmas season. My dad worked at Minas's, and I worked there part time once in a while. I loved downtown Hammond year round, but especially at Christmas time.
Have you been back to Hammond since 1996? Downtown is a very sad place now. There is no retailing at all, except for good old Muehler's Hardware. This Minas store is gone, and in its place is a huge auditorium for First Baptist Church.
How long have you been "lurking?" Have you read all the posts in here? Please check them out and make your own comments. Don't be afraid to bring up subjects that have already been discussed. We would love to hear your thoughts on them.
Once again, welcome!
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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03-01-2008
( Reply#: 1889 ) |
S C Jones |
Hi Tom
Who is this Pete? (kidding!) I have been checking the site, just too lazy to log in I guess.
The 50th anniversary of my class at Morton is to take place this August and I am looking forward to getting reacquainted with people I knew and those for whom I have memories of knowing they existed in my high school world but did not really know.
BTW, did you avoid the tornadoes that did such damage on the night of Super Tuesday? I was lucky to have the tornadoes jump over. The devastation, though, of those south and north of me is heartbreaking to see.
Did you see or hear about the police allegedly beating up on a family in Hammond? i saw only a mention of it on a morning news program as I walked to the kitchen. Did that really happen?
As you can see, I don't have much to add to our memories at this time. I just wanted you to know I am watching and reading--Loved your memories of your father, Mr. Reliable. He was one of a generation who knew the value of sticking in and working hard.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
03-01-2008
( Reply#: 1890 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Hi Tom
Who is this Pete? (kidding!) I have been checking the site, just too lazy to log in I guess.
The 50th anniversary of my class at Morton is to take place this August and I am looking forward to getting reacquainted with people I knew and those for whom I have memories of knowing they existed in my high school world but did not really know.
BTW, did you avoid the tornadoes that did such damage on the night of Super Tuesday? I was lucky to have the tornadoes jump over. The devastation, though, of those south and north of me is heartbreaking to see.
Did you see or hear about the police allegedly beating up on a family in Hammond? i saw only a mention of it on a morning news program as I walked to the kitchen. Did that really happen?
As you can see, I don't have much to add to our memories at this time. I just wanted you to know I am watching and reading--Loved your memories of your father, Mr. Reliable. He was one of a generation who knew the value of sticking in and working hard.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
Hi, S.C.!
Thanks for the kind words regarding my little essay about my dad. I thought maybe just about all of us in here could relate to a hard-working, devoted dad. The typical two parent families with stay at home moms that we grew up in are becoming rarities these days.
The tornado that passed through Greenville on February 5th completely destroyed homes just a hair over a mile from me. That was a close call! Three folks were killed in a trailer park just two miles from me.
Had not heard anything about the police beating anyone up in Hammond, please post more info as your learn more details.
Where do you live now, SC?
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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03-02-2008
( Reply#: 1892 ) |
cartoonguy |
[quote]Originally posted by Tom J
Have you been back to Hammond since 1996? Downtown is a very sad place now. There is no retailing at all, except for good old Muehler's Hardware. This Minas store is gone, and in its place is a huge auditorium for First Baptist Church.
“Sigh”, I'm afraid so. I was able to walk through the shell of what was left of Woodmar Shopping Center before they tore it down. About fifteen years ago a friend and I were shooting darts at LaRosa’s Restaurant, on Indianapolis Blvd, so we decided to make the game more interesting, the loser had to have their picture taken with Santa Clause at Woodmar , well, needles to say, I lost, now keep in mind here’s a man in his early thirties in line with all the kids to pose with Santa, my friend informed the female helpers(elves) of my losing the bet, so they all decided I needed to wear a red cap for my photo. Afterwards the whole bar got a big laugh at my expense, but that was okay, I myself found the whole thing pretty amusing.
I have been checking in to your forum for awhile, but been pretty busy to post, finally I am between projects, so happy to share some memories of growing up in Hammond. |
03-02-2008
( Reply#: 1893 ) |
S C Jones |
Hi, S.C.!
Thanks for the kind words regarding my little essay about my dad. I thought maybe just about all of us in here could relate to a hard-working, devoted dad. The typical two parent families with stay at home moms that we grew up in are becoming rarities these days. Tom, my dad had the task of working and keeping me and my brothers together without a helpmate. What we had were our neighbors who were always there when we needed them.
The tornado that passed through Greenville on February 5th completely destroyed homes just a hair over a mile from me. That was a close call! Three folks were killed in a trailer park just two miles from me.
Had not heard anything about the police beating anyone up in Hammond, please post more info as your learn more details.I just saw/heard that one little bit on a morning news program. Guess we could check the NWI Times.
Where do you live now, SC? I live in Nashville.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG]
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Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
03-03-2008
( Reply#: 1894 ) |
Tom J |
SC:
Sorry that you did not have a mom at home. Sounds like the neighbors took good care of you kids while your dad worked.
I just thank God that I had both a mom and a dad as I was growing up. Those who, like me, were blessed with two parent homes should realize how fortunate we were.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
03-03-2008
( Reply#: 1895 ) |
duane |
OK Tom and all the gang. I haven't seen this discussion yet. How many of you used to go to the Roller Dome on Saturdays? I remember going when I was about 13 or 14 and the big thrill was the "spotlight couples" dance, where boys would line up on one side and girls on another and one couple would start out and then switch when they put the spotlight on you. I also remember the organ music they would play. And for some reason, someone would also always play "Gimme Little sign, girl" on the Juke Box. Lots of fun times there on Saturday afternoons! Sometimes you'd meet the same girl 3 Saturdays in a row....were you going next week to see her, or was she going to see you? |
03-04-2008
( Reply#: 1896 ) |
Jim R |
I've only been to the Roller Dome once, spent most of the time on my butt. Never been a fan of roller skating. But I spent lots of time on the ice at "Lost Park"!
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
03-04-2008
( Reply#: 1897 ) |
Bill Bucko |
WHY the heck did they call it "Lost Park"? And how far back did that name start?
Anyone know??
My first visit was probably around 1953 or '54, and we called it "Lost Park" then.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
03-04-2008
( Reply#: 1898 ) |
Tom J |
I can't remember ever going there, but I might have gone a time or two. Where was the place? The name "Roller Dome" sure rings a bell with me. Was it in north Hammond?
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
03-05-2008
( Reply#: 1899 ) |
Bill Bucko |
On the maps, officially, it's called Gibson Park.
One block east of Shep's house, and a couple of blocks north.
Why does he never mention it??
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
03-05-2008
( Reply#: 1900 ) |
S C Jones |
I may have gone to the Roller Dome once. The interesting thing to me is that the woman who inherited the Roller Dome in the 1990's was living here in Nashville and I had met her in Glorieta, NM in the late 1970's. SMALL WORLD? She had, maybe still has, a home in my neighborhood--one block from me. At that time there was a lawsuit because of step siblings or stepmother (evil? I don't know) contending for property--so does the Roller Dome still exist? last I knew the woman was fighting the lawsuit while running the place.
quote:
Originally posted by duane
OK Tom and all the gang. I haven't seen this discussion yet. How many of you used to go to the Roller Dome on Saturdays? I remember going when I was about 13 or 14 and the big thrill was the "spotlight couples" dance, where boys would line up on one side and girls on another and one couple would start out and then switch when they put the spotlight on you. I also remember the organ music they would play. And for some reason, someone would also always play "Gimme Little sign, girl" on the Juke Box. Lots of fun times there on Saturday afternoons! Sometimes you'd meet the same girl 3 Saturdays in a row....were you going next week to see her, or was she going to see you?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
03-07-2008
( Reply#: 1901 ) |
Tom J |
Can someone please tell me where the Roller Dome was (is) located?
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
03-07-2008
( Reply#: 1902 ) |
S C Jones |
[quote]Originally posted by Tom J
Can someone please tell me where the Roller Dome was (is) located?
730 E Gostlin St
Hammond, IN is what Google shows--along with a map. I just googled "Roller Dome Hammond, IN" and that came up first on the list.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
03-07-2008
( Reply#: 1903 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
[quote]Originally posted by Tom J
Can someone please tell me where the Roller Dome was (is) located?
730 E Gostlin St
Hammond, IN is what Google shows--along with a map. I just googled "Roller Dome Hammond, IN" and that came up first on the list.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
Well, I guess it's still there then? I was thinking it was in North Hammond, and I guess Gostlin would be sort of "north."
Thanks.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
03-17-2008
( Reply#: 1907 ) |
svea3 |
Hi
For those of you who made know the Dedelow name and specifically Ed, this is his web site: scientificcapitalist.com
His nephew was the recent mayor of Hammond.
He is an economist sort of a success story of Hessville/ Covenant Presbyterian and Morton High. His mother and mine were friends in addition to the fact that we were in the same Kindergarten, Miss Jane's.
[:I]
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06-20-2008
( Reply#: 2071 ) |
KLKD |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Joanne Poole? Was that Don's sister? They were Mormons, I think
[8)].
Yes, Don and Joanne were/are siblings. I do not know if the family was Mormon or not.
The only family in Grand Park I knew to be Mormon were the Kuschels--the older daughter, Judy, went to Tech after Jr. High at Morton where she socked John Fekete in the eye for whatever!
Ken, that is an awesome addition to our little "archive of info". I recognize the names and can put faces to Cecelia Clarke, Judy Howard, Carl Melton, and Marcia Franke--so they were 1958 grads. Judy Howard's father was a Dr. and they lived in Woodmar. Of course, we know who Carl's father was.
BTW, I have a friend from childhood in Hessville, looking for Kim Miller (She said his full name was Edward Kim Miller.) Classmates are looking for him for their 50th reunion since he did not come to the 45th reunion they had last year. Anyone know anything about him/his family?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
First post here!! Judy and Dian Kuschel are my aunts. My dad is Ted Kuschel. Just thought I'd make a correction....they weren't Mormons. I asked my dad about this and he said the Poole's were Morman. Hope this helps.
Karen
Born in Hammond |
06-20-2008
( Reply#: 2072 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
First post here!! Judy and Dian Kuschel are my aunts. My dad is Ted Kuschel. Just thought I'd make a correction....they weren't Mormons. I asked my dad about this and he said the Poole's were Morman. Hope this helps.
Karen
Born in Hammond
Karen, I am the one who posted saying the Kuschels were Mormon--I lived across the street from them. I was sure Evelyn (your grandmother) had said once she was Latter Day Saint and I thought that was the same as Mormon. But, hey, that was when I was a teenager and more than 50 years ago, so I apologize for being so sure about what may be not so. Please tell Ted, Judy, and Dian I said hello and I hope they are all doing well. Where do they live now? And, Evelyn? I heard she remarried after Glen died and maybe moved to Mississippi?
I have been in touch with Patsy Keefer and Jean Aumiller, Marvin Aumiller, and Don Butler recently--that might or might not interest Judy, Dian and Ted.[:)]
If you would rather not put any of that info on the internet, you can email me through this site.
Thank you for logging on and correcting my statement. The last time I saw Ted he was driving a white Studebaker Lark--must have been early 1960's.
S. C. Jones
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
06-21-2008
( Reply#: 2073 ) |
KLKD |
Hi Sue! [:)]I received your email and have emailed you back and forwarded it to my dad (Ted Kuschel)!! My grandmother (Evelyn) is in a nursing home in Florida now. She was in Washington before she moved to Florida. My Aunt Dian and her husband are still in Indiana. My Aunt Judy and her husband live in Georgia. My dad (Ted) and my mom are in Texas and so am I. It's been great reading all of these posts!! It took me awhile, but I think I read every one of them!! By the way, that's ok about the religion mixup. I just thought I would get the correct info out. They were actually Lutherans.
Thanks for the email and the post!!!
Karen
Born in Hammond |
06-22-2008
( Reply#: 2074 ) |
S C Jones |
Hey Karen,
I got an email from your dad and I have emailed him back. Thank you for getting us connected. I just remembered that it was Ted who came over to the Meade's house to find me and tell me about the Opal Collins incident I posted earlier on this site. He knew I was friends with Martha Collins. And, Evelyn was one of the group of women who let me accompany them to a day of the trial of Opal in Crown Point.
Thank you again for your help in getting me reconnected to one of my surrogate families.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
06-22-2008
( Reply#: 2075 ) |
KLKD |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Hey Karen,
I got an email from your dad and I have emailed him back. Thank you for getting us connected. I just remembered that it was Ted who came over to the Meade's house to find me and tell me about the Opal Collins incident I posted earlier on this site. He knew I was friends with Martha Collins. And, Evelyn was one of the group of women who let me accompany them to a day of the trial of Opal in Crown Point.
Thank you again for your help in getting me reconnected to one of my surrogate families.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
Oh you are so welcome. I think it is so neat that you guys got reconnected!! [8D]
Karen
Born in Hammond |
06-25-2008
( Reply#: 2085 ) |
Alan Vandever |
Hi, there seems to be a lot of curiosity about "Flick's Tap". If I remember correctly, didn't he have a sign in his window saying, "Booz". It's been ages and maybe I have the wrong place. Being a local photographer I used to go by Flick's Tap alot. I remember it being on the East side of the street.
Al. |
06-25-2008
( Reply#: 2086 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Alan,
You're right about Flick's being on the east side of the street. The original location was the northeast corner of 165th and Kennedy in the same two story building as Dick's (Pop's) Grocery.
Ken... |
06-25-2008
( Reply#: 2087 ) |
Jim R |
Flick's sign was one of those white plastic things with the white and yellow lights in it that would alternatly flash white and yellow. In big black letters it said BOOZE. It stuck out over the door at an angle so it could be seen from both 165th and Kennedy. Local church groups were always raising a rukus about his sign.
Harding Class of '67
Morton Class of '72 |
06-26-2008
( Reply#: 2088 ) |
Alan Vandever |
Yeah, I was a photographer for The Hammond Times at the time. I remember the sign and thought it was Flick who had it up. Eventually they made him take it down. |
07-04-2008
( Reply#: 2096 ) |
svea3 |
Karen,
Your surname is familiar to me. Did you have an older sibling? My brother graduated from HHS in 1952.
Don Poole and Ed Dedelow went to Brigham Young after graduating in 1961 from Morton.
LINDA '60 OPMorton |
07-14-2008
( Reply#: 2114 ) |
seejay2 |
Just thought I'd toss this in. It was in yesterday's Times in a little thing they do on Sundays called "PastTimes"....Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/50_Ham.jpg[/IMG]
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07-15-2008
( Reply#: 2115 ) |
Tom J |
SeeJay, thanks a bunch for that picture! Man, that sure does bring back memories.
I would love to see a bunch of shots like that of Downtown from back in the 50s and 60s. I'm going to have to come back to Hammond sometime and spend a couple days in the library, I guess.
Please pass along anything else like that, if you find any more.
That's the Calumet National Bank building on the corner of Fayette and Hohman, and my mom used to take me there to see Dr. Friedman, the my eye doctor, when I was REAL little. I started wearing glasses when I was only two years old, so I would have made my first visit to Dr. Friedman in 1951 or 1952.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
07-15-2008
( Reply#: 2119 ) |
svea3 |
Ditto for the pix.[:I]
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07-15-2008
( Reply#: 2120 ) |
seejay2 |
You may want to check out the following address if you havn't already seen it.
http://www.hammondindiana.com/sitemap.htm
There are a lotta pix in there. I am going to dispute one of their sites though. It is the Blizzard of 1999. The '67 Big Snow still blows that one off the map.
OK, I'M AN OLD GEEZ! WHATTYA GONNA DO ABOUT IT?!?!? |
07-20-2008
( Reply#: 2145 ) |
KLKD |
No, I am an only child.[:)]
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Karen,
Your surname is familiar to me. Did you have an older sibling? My brother graduated from HHS in 1952.
Don Poole and Ed Dedelow went to Brigham Young after graduating in 1961 from Morton.
LINDA '60 OPMorton
Karen
Born in Hammond |
07-23-2008
( Reply#: 2147 ) |
wvcogs |
Many of us have posted pics of the "old country," Hessville and Hammond, on ShepTalk. A couple have kicked in a photo or two of vacations or other travels. Well, here's my contribution of a shot I took on a trip through my adopted home of West Virginia earlier this week.
This possibly could be the smallest stand alone U.S. Post Office in the country. It is located on U.S. Route 35 about 15 or so miles east of the West Virginia and Ohio state line (the Ohio River). The office is still open for business, but we passed by about 6:30 in the afternoon so I could not go in to spend 42 cents for a stamp just to see what the inside looks like.
If you are using a high speed connection, check the first link. For those using dial up service, the second link is for the same photo, but a smaller image. Enjoy. Ken...
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/SouthsidePostOffice.jpg[/url]
[url]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/SouthsidePostOffice-1.jpg[/url] |
07-23-2008
( Reply#: 2148 ) |
svea3 |
[:I]The Fekete's were in my parents' circle of friends. I will ask my brother about the connection.
I believe there was a connection of crocheting or of knitting possibly. They also played cards- bridge, pinochle or maybe even Bunko.
Linda OPM '60 [:D] |
07-23-2008
( Reply#: 2149 ) |
wvcogs |
Linda,
When did Fekete come up? John Fekete, who graduated in 1958, is Judy's cousin. Judy's mother and John's father, also named John, were siblings.
Ken... |
07-25-2008
( Reply#: 2152 ) |
svea3 |
Ken,
Someone wrote the name Fekete and that jarred my memory in a huge manner. I really think that Hessville was a very small town and the adults were more connected than their kids ever knew! 'cause we were just involved in our small world.[:I]
Linda |
07-25-2008
( Reply#: 2153 ) |
Alan Vandever |
I wonder if anyone remembers Tom Roop. He grew up in Hessville and was friends with Randy, Jean's younger brother. |
07-25-2008
( Reply#: 2155 ) |
svea3 |
No
Where did he live?
[8)]
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08-09-2008
( Reply#: 2186 ) |
VMurdock |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Pix #2 girl on right is familiar,but no name yet.
[8D]I live now close to a town called Wyandotte,MI,which started at the same vintage of Hessville, Hammond. Not only that, but there is a section which has a refinery just like Whiting. We produce Marathon.
The girl on the rightwas ID'd as Violette Lipke from somewhere in Hessville.....CJ
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I love this forum! I happened upon it quite accidentally.
Violette is my grandma's sister ! She moved away from the area, and I didn't have much contact with her and don't really know anything else about her. I'd have to make some phone calls to find out much more. My grandma lived at 2624 Kenwood, but she was already married to my grandfather (Murdock) at that point. I was a frequent visitor to the A&P with my grandparents and parents when I was a child, and I loved that store!
I attended Harding Elementary beginning in 1973 until 6th grade. From there, I went to Morton Middle (Marshall Street). Then on to MHS in 1982 until 1984, when I went to Gavit and graduated from there in 1986. I grew up on California and Parrish Avenues.
Former Hessville Resident, Born and Raised in The Region
MHS (1982-1984)
Gavit (1984-1986) |
08-10-2008
( Reply#: 2189 ) |
seejay2 |
Here's a little ditty in today's Times:
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/OldFash.jpg[/IMG]
Cj |
08-11-2008
( Reply#: 2196 ) |
IMARichter |
Interesting sight - I'm not a native Hessvillian, but my parents were. Jim Richter & Rosalie Murdock. Violet Lipke was also my great aunt. I love the pictures. Thanks for sharing. |
08-12-2008
( Reply#: 2198 ) |
svea3 |
Hey all Hessville-ites Duane and Ed Dedelow are coming North from Florida next week and are planning a side trip to my abode from Cleveland. Anything about which you all want me to inquire? I know I am going to acquire one of his books and will give him one of the copies of my dad's 1912 Hessville maps .
[8D]
Now this is exciting!
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08-16-2008
( Reply#: 2213 ) |
svea3 |
[8)]AH WUNDERBAR!
WE HAD A SUPER TIME.
Ed is going to join us on Shepherd's site now. I am going to help Duane with genealogy.
ED lives in FL and Duane lives in Crown Point.
The Dedelow's arrived in Hessville from Germany in 1871. I am a Lohse and we arrived in North Township Lake County in the 1840's. Frederich August Heinrich Lohse was born in Saxony Germany. The big joke in the family was that we were not Hessians, BUT Saxons and Pomeranians! It is hard to believe that our two families have been friends for about 150 years and it probably goes back to Germany.
Linda[:)] |
08-24-2008
( Reply#: 2254 ) |
robb76 |
Hello Svea3/Linda.
I live in Sweden and I'm doing a genealogical research of my family.
I found a message from you on this forum talking about Cecilia and Walter Harmon, when randomly searching for information, which made me believe that you may be a long distance relative.
I’ve found out that my grandmother’s grandmother’s grandfather emigrated to America in 1852. They arrived to New York City on 4th October 1852.
His name was Per (Persson) Lothberg, he was married to Anna Olsdotter, they had 6 children, their oldest daughter (Karin) stayed in Sweden.
In the American cencus 1860 I’ve found a family in Swede Bend, Iowa, that matches Per Lothbergs family perfect. It was common that Swedish emigrants took a new last name and they anglified their first names. (Christinas age matches in other sources, but is wrong in 1860).
The names matches, the age matches, the year of migration matches, that’s why I think Per Lothberg and Peter Harmon is the same person. Not many Swedes had migrated in 1852, they were among the first 5000-10000 Swedes to emigrate. Between about 1840-1920 1.3 million Swedes emigrated to America.
From American cencus 1860:
Peter Harmon 45 years old
Anna Harmon 40
Oloff 20
Anna 17
Cecilia 14
Andrew P. 12
Christina 6
Henry (born in Iowa) 1 month 1860
The family I’m looking for:
Per Löthberg born 1814
Anna Olsdotter 1820
Olof 1839
Ann 1842
Sigrid 1844
Anders Peter 1848
Stina Greta 1851
According to “1900 United States Federal Census” Anna had give birth to 15 children, of which 7 were still alive. In 1900 she lived with her son’s Walter and Henry in Chicago, in 1905 she lived with her daughter’s Christinas family in Fremont, Minnesota.
Family Tree at Ancestry.com: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/pedigree.aspx?tid=7452214&pg=0
Per Löthbergs/Peter Harmon’s family tree on my home page:
(in Swedsih, starts with Per Norrbo, Per Lothbergs dad)
http://www.robkre.com/harmon/default.html
I appreciate as much info as I can get, if you are related to the same “Harmon family”.
robkre@gmail.com
/Robert
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
Johnson? or Harmon? We were related toTom Harmon who went to UM and his son Mark.MyUncle,Walter Harmon, was Treasurer in E Chicago in 1905. The Johnson's came in from Iowa. My grandmother Cecilia Harmon was a surgeon/medic in the Civil War. That side was direct from Sweden. I think our Swedish surname would have been Johansson, according to my Grandfather.
Dr Rampker.... My dad interviewed him to bring him to Hessville. He was a Korean War vet.You entered his office from the left. He gave me many a shot at my house. He was always concerned about me getting Scarlet Fever.
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09-01-2008
( Reply#: 2259 ) |
seejay2 |
I tried posting this earlier, but was not able because of all of the problems.
Ken Foss a '67 Morton grad passed away Aug 21st.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Foss.jpg[/IMG]
Obit http://www.legacy.com/nwitimes/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=116183242
Cj |
09-01-2008
( Reply#: 2260 ) |
Tom J |
My condolences to Ken's family.
I did not know him, but he was apparently one who loved dogs, and that puts him high on my list. His obit mentions his "devoted dog, Shades" among his survivors. The obit also asks that in lieu of flowers donations be made to the Calumet Area Humane Society.
May God rest his soul.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
09-02-2008
( Reply#: 2261 ) |
wvcogs |
I agree with Tom. Any friend of dogs is a friend of mine. I didn't know Ken Foss or any members of his family, but my sympathies are with them. May Ken rest in peace.
Ken O.
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Ranger_Molly.jpg[/img] |
09-02-2008
( Reply#: 2262 ) |
seejay2 |
I only knew Ken because he was leaving Solina's Bakery and broke me in on the job. His sister ('Linda' I think)worked in front. He wasn't too 'out front' in school.
My God, Ken, that looks like my "Max" & "Comet". Max just turned 14 and Comet is a little over 2..........Cj |
09-02-2008
( Reply#: 2263 ) |
wvcogs |
Those are Ranger and Molly. Ranger is gone now after living thirteen good years. Molly is ten and had surgery six weeks ago to remove one of her adrenal glands. A growth on it was causing the overproduction of hormones that resulted in Cushing's disease. The surgery was done at MedVet, a hospital in Columbus, OH, similar to Alameda East in Denver that was the location for Animal Planet's series Emergency Vets a few years back.
Welcome to September, the end of summer and beginning of fall. Some of our trees here in WV are dropping their leaves already.
Ken... |
09-02-2008
( Reply#: 2265 ) |
seejay2 |
No, no, no. Sorry pal, that's Max & Comet. I sent a copy of this to my wife just a little while ago and she said the same thing. I guess I'll have to send you a pic for proof...Cj |
09-02-2008
( Reply#: 2266 ) |
Tom J |
Have I ever shared this website with my buddies here at Sheptalk? I created it to honor the memory of my best friend, Ross Allen.
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~tsjay53/
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
09-02-2008
( Reply#: 2267 ) |
seejay2 |
Here are the kids, Max and Comet. It was Max' 14th birthday. He's one of those dogs that will let you do anything with him and Comet always has something in his mouth.
I can see where you would confuse them with your dogs, Ken.
No harm done.......Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Max.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Comet.jpg[/IMG] |
09-03-2008
( Reply#: 2268 ) |
wvcogs |
For those of you who are interested, I have posted the complete program booklet for the 1951 Hammond Centennial celebration on my Webshots site. Go to the link entered below to see the booklet. There you will see thumbnails of all 93 pages. If you are not familiar with Webshots, first click on the thumbnail; when the larger image appears, click on "full size"; then, clicking on the full size image should enlarge it so it can be read easily. To return and view the next page, click on the "back" button in your menu bar. The booklet contains ads for and articles about businesses in the area; historical and current (1951) photos; and the program for and participants in the centennial celebration.
Ken...
[url="http://family.webshots.com/album/566268363FTSAsw?vhost=family"]Hammond Centennial 1951[/url] |
09-03-2008
( Reply#: 2269 ) |
briz57 |
HI...
I FOUND THIS SET OF LINKS AND THEY SHOW THE TIME LINE OF HAMMOND...I HOPE THEY WORK....B
1850-1880 || 1881-1890 || 1891-1920 || 1921-1930 || 1931-1950 || 1951-1980 || 1981-PRESENT
BRIZ 1957 |
09-03-2008
( Reply#: 2270 ) |
briz57 |
OK...TRY THIS ONE THEN...
www.hammondindiana.com/history2.htm
BRIZ 1957 |
09-03-2008
( Reply#: 2271 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
For those of you who are interested, I have posted the complete program booklet for the 1951 Hammond Centennial celebration on my Webshots site. Go to the link entered below to see the booklet. There you will see thumbnails of all 93 pages. If you are not familiar with Webshots, first click on the thumbnail; when the larger image appears, click on "full size"; then, clicking on the full size image should enlarge it so it can be read easily. To return and view the next page, click on the "back" button in your menu bar. The booklet contains ads for and articles about businesses in the area; historical and current (1951) photos; and the program for and participants in the centennial celebration.
Ken...
[url="http://family.webshots.com/album/566268363FTSAsw?vhost=family"]Hammond Centennial 1951[/url]
Ken:
Thanks a bunch! I have had time so far to check out only the first few pictures, but it looks like this is going to be some real good "stuff."
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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09-03-2008
( Reply#: 2272 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by briz57
OK...TRY THIS ONE THEN...
www.hammondindiana.com/history2.htm
BRIZ 1957
Thanks, Briz.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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09-14-2008
( Reply#: 2346 ) |
seejay2 |
Article in today's (9/14/08) Times
"Learn about city's founders at cemetery tour"
is what it says above this picture...it wouldn't quite fit the scanner. This is an article written by Rich Lytle, who is in charge of the local history room at the Hammond Public Library.
Rich has been very helpful to me in the past during some researching I had been doing in regards to events in the 40's-50's.....Cj
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09-26-2008
( Reply#: 2359 ) |
svea3 |
HI EVERYONE I am back!
Two things
My Father's map of Hessville is being delivered to the Hammond Library via Duane Dedelow, uncle of the Mayor.
Robb is related to me.... the Swedish connection through this Jean Shepherd site!
Now this site is fantastic.
[:I]Linda
|
09-28-2008
( Reply#: 2362 ) |
robb76 |
Thank you linda. Yes, this is exciting.
I just sent you an email.
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
HI EVERYONE I am back!
Two things
My Father's map of Hessville is being delivered to the Hammond Library via Duane Dedelow, uncle of the Mayor.
Robb is related to me.... the Swedish connection through this Jean Shepherd site!
Now this site is fantastic.
[:I]Linda
|
10-02-2008
( Reply#: 2373 ) |
svea3 |
My dad's records match yours. My great grandmother lived on Black Oak Road close to where the school is/was. She was very close to my Grandfather and Father and that is why I know the stories/ sagas.
I hope that all the details I sent you will help our families search.
Linda [:I] OPM '60
quote:
Originally posted by robb76
Thank you linda. Yes, this is exciting.
I just sent you an email.
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
HI EVERYONE I am back!
Two things
My Father's map of Hessville is being delivered to the Hammond Library via Duane Dedelow, uncle of the Mayor.
Robb is related to me.... the Swedish connection through this Jean Shepherd site!
Now this site is fantastic.
[:I]Linda
|
10-19-2008
( Reply#: 2387 ) |
seejay2 |
Hey guys!
Here is a pic that was in today's Times. Rich Lytle, of the Hammond Library, puts these in along with an article from time to time. This was a while before my time.
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/MainLibrary.jpg[/IMG]
Something I was talking about with an IU student last week--- did anybody see Bobby Kennedy when he came to town? I was with a couple of guys in a house on Conkey St. When we came outside, the street was wall to wall people and I had no idea why. Then a car with speakers on it came through announcing that "Bobby Kennedy is two cars behind this one".
We looked at each other in total disbelief! This can't be real!! But sure enough, there he was, with Ethel, looking way beyond the legal definition of 'Cool'. Just thought I'd toss that in. He's the only person of celeb status that I've blundered into aside from Ed McMahon, whom everybody in the planet has seen at one time or another...........Cj |
10-19-2008
( Reply#: 2388 ) |
Tom J |
Thanks, Chris! Keep those pictures coming.
I don't remember ever being INSIDE that building, but I sure do remember the place. Is the building still standing?
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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10-20-2008
( Reply#: 2389 ) |
seejay2 |
I don't think so, Tom. I don't remember the building, but looking at a Google aerial shot of the area shows me nothing at all like that building......Cj |
10-22-2008
( Reply#: 2391 ) |
wvcogs |
Chris, Thanks for posting the library picture. I asked Rich Lytle for more information about the history of the library. Here is his response to me.
"I am glad that the article and the photograph of the old "Carnegie Main" (as we call it) created a favorable impression. The photo used in the newspaper article actually dates from 1940 and shows the original building sitting on the east side of Centennial Park. Both the park and the building now no longer exist. Both facilities, along with: the 1890 city hall building, the old police and fire station building, the Roosevelt Hotel and the trackside warehouse, the Alice House and the other old houses, and even the paved sections of Indiana and Truman streets that were located between Hohman and Calumet avenues were all torn down during the late 1960s as part of an urban renewal project. In 1966 the Hammond Public Library board started construction on a new Main building for the library at our current address of 564 State Street. The Library moved into the new Main in 1967 and almost immediately the destruction of the old Carnegie building was begun. By 1968 all that remained were the pictures that different library personnel took of the entire process. Fortunately, we have them. The ones used in the NWI article were taken directly from our photo files and, as far as I know, that was the first time they were ever used for public awareness."
Also, I found his article that was in the Sunday NWI Times at this link: [url="http://nwi.com/articles/2008/10/19/news/lake_county/doc470da5b43ea62123862574e40076c080.txt"]Rich Lytle article[/url]
Ken... |
10-23-2008
( Reply#: 2393 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Good article by the excellent Mr. Lyttle.
I was inside the Main Library once, around 1966. As I recall it was mostly filled with tall, bare-bones stacks.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
10-24-2008
( Reply#: 2394 ) |
Bill Bucko |
TREASURES FOUND ON YOUTUBE!
“A CHRISTMAS STORY Reality Tour – Hammond NOT Hohman Indiana,”
a 6 minute film with the family who currently own the Shepherd House on Cleveland Street—and featuring the library's own Mr. Lyttle!
at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS-R1aj4Jh4&NR=1
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The Mid-American Heritage Preservation Foundation has posted a 4 minute excerpt of their “Hammond Indiana 1960s Film”
at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZxgCl_gu8g
Very grainy — but of course, a lot better than nothing.
Can you identify the oldies used as background music? I got 4 out of 5. [Answers at the end of this post.]
MAHPF also has other footage of Hammond posted, as well as the great Standard Oil fire of 1955, when the hydroformer blew up (getting first grader me out of bed, 5 miles away. For months after that, I built hydroformers with my good ol’ American Bricks).
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There’s an excerpt from “Ollie Hopnoodle’s Haven of Bliss”
at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQLg3rcV-Is
another from “Phantom of the Open Hearth” (featuring the Leg Lamp)
at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzstbfBi6R8
and several from “Great American Fourth of July”
starting with Part 1 at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGfuDoXXWxQ
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There are probably several ways to download YouTube videos. I use RealPlayer 11. With it installed on your computer, you don’t even have to open the program; once the video’s finished playing, just position your cursor on the video and RealPlayer makes a tab appear: “Download This Video”.
Answers:
Mason Williams, Classical Gas (1968)
Del Shannon, Runaway (1961)
screechy R&B song, a genre I don’t care for
Soulful Strut, by Holt-Young Unlimited (1968)
Beach Boys, Good Vibrations (1966)
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
10-25-2008
( Reply#: 2395 ) |
seejay2 |
Excellent, young man! Excellent!!
I once lived on the next block north of that house (2919 163rd Pl).I was there for 11 years and saw that place every day, but never knew that was the Shepherd home until I blundered into this site, not quite two years ago......Cj |
10-25-2008
( Reply#: 2398 ) |
Tom J |
Some very sad news... Bowl Era has either been torn down or will be torn down soon. I got that news from a blog site started by a guy named Joe Kaminski, Jr. Here's the link.
http://joekaminski.wordpress.com/
I lived only two blocks from Bowl Era, and it was always there when I was growing up. I thought the mosaic tile front of the building was pretty cool.
I bowled there many times and was even in a league there on Saturday mornings.
Tom
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[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Hammond/Hammond%207-20-05/Bowl_Era.jpg[/IMG]
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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10-26-2008
( Reply#: 2399 ) |
Bill Bucko |
On YouTube there's also a 3 minute excerpt from "Josephine Cosnowski":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNuIY95rLNo
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
10-27-2008
( Reply#: 2400 ) |
duane |
Yes, I fondly remember Bowl-Era. When I was in high school, a bunch of us, rather than going to some dance (can't recall whether it was turnabout, homecoming, winter formal or whatever) got drunk (me for the first time ever!) and went bowling to Bowl-Era. Kathy, Nancy, Tom, me and a few others bowled several games. I remember throwing the ball while the gate was down to clear the pins and the ball hitting into the gate. I don't recall who drove home...as there were no "designated drivers" in those days, so the ride must have been scary, but my head was already spinning by then.
Anyway, when I got home...I went straight to bed. My brother's and my bedroom was in the basement. Needless to say, the room was spinning and I got sicker than a Bumphus hound. In the morning, I woke up to find that I had gotten sick in the toilet, the laundry sink and other places. When my mother came down to wake me up, she saw the mess and my hung-over condition. Rather than lecturing me, she said just a few short words that have stayed with me all these years. She simply said (sarcastically)...."good for you, you got what you deserved!"
Whenever I see the Prom sequence from Shep's movie (I think its on Phantom of the Open Hearth - where Ralphie has his first experience with "a triple", gets sick in the bathroom, and then when he gets home has a short talk with his dad) I am always taken back to that night at Bowl-era and my own escapades.
I think that is why Shep's stories and movies are so good...they tell stories that many of us have personally experienced.
So Bowl-Era will be forever in my memories. Sorry to see it go. |
10-27-2008
( Reply#: 2401 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by duane
Yes, I fondly remember Bowl-Era. When I was in high school, a bunch of us, rather than going to some dance (can't recall whether it was turnabout, homecoming, winter formal or whatever) got drunk (me for the first time ever!) and went bowling to Bowl-Era. Kathy, Nancy, Tom, me and a few others bowled several games. I remember throwing the ball while the gate was down to clear the pins and the ball hitting into the gate. I don't recall who drove home...as there were no "designated drivers" in those days, so the ride must have been scary, but my head was already spinning by then.
Anyway, when I got home...I went straight to bed. My brother's and my bedroom was in the basement. Needless to say, the room was spinning and I got sicker than a Bumphus hound. In the morning, I woke up to find that I had gotten sick in the toilet, the laundry sink and other places. When my mother came down to wake me up, she saw the mess and my hung-over condition. Rather than lecturing me, she said just a few short words that have stayed with me all these years. She simply said (sarcastically)...."good for you, you got what you deserved!"
Whenever I see the Prom sequence from Shep's movie (I think its on Phantom of the Open Hearth - where Ralphie has his first experience with "a triple", gets sick in the bathroom, and then when he gets home has a short talk with his dad) I am always taken back to that night at Bowl-era and my own escapades.
I think that is why Shep's stories and movies are so good...they tell stories that many of us have personally experienced.
So Bowl-Era will be forever in my memories. Sorry to see it go.
Duane:
Hey, it's cool that you have Bowl-Era memories too!
This is going to show you how bad my memory is slipping, but was there bowling on both floors, or only upstairs? I believe my Saturday morning league was upstairs. I know there was a bar on the first floor, but there might have been some lanes down there too.
My house was two blocks east on 165th Street and then left on Woodward Avenue, sixth house on the left.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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10-29-2008
( Reply#: 2403 ) |
Tom J |
Well, unfortunately, Bowl-Era is gone. A friend who lives in Hammond went by there today and took these pictures. SAD!
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That building to the right (north) of the Bowl-Era rubble was a Rexall Drugs when I was growing up. Looks like it is a restaurant now. There was an open air fruit market where the White Castle is now, across from Bowl-Era, and it was called "Fuitland." Anyone remember that place? They sold fresh cut Christmas trees there during the Christmas Season.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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10-30-2008
( Reply#: 2404 ) |
wvcogs |
Tom,
What a pile of rubble!! Who remembers the White Castle at the SE corner of 165th and Hohman?
Ken... |
10-30-2008
( Reply#: 2405 ) |
duane |
How sad about Bowl-era. Hey did anything ever happen at Woodmar Shopping Center once it got torn down? Is it just vacant land now, or did something else go in there?
Wasn't that original White Castle taken down when they put in an overpass? Or perhaps I'm thinking of another one...but I think there were only 2 White Castles in "da Region" and one was in Hammond and one in Whiting (on 119th street and hurray! it is still there!) |
10-30-2008
( Reply#: 2406 ) |
wvcogs |
I'm almost sure there was a small White Castle - looked like a diner painted white - right on that corner at 165th and Hohman. Get a bag full for a dollar.
Ken... |
10-30-2008
( Reply#: 2407 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
I'm almost sure there was a small White Castle - looked like a diner painted white - right on that corner at 165th and Hohman. Get a bag full for a dollar.
Ken...
Ken:
Are you possibly thinking about "Prince Castle?" They had square ice cream cones, and I think the burgers were also square.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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10-30-2008
( Reply#: 2408 ) |
wvcogs |
That could be, Tom. You know, when you get old there are a few things you lose. The first is your mind; and I forget what the rest are.
Ken... |
10-30-2008
( Reply#: 2409 ) |
Tom J |
Well, Ken, I don't really think the burgers were square, but the ice cream cones were. They had some kind of scoop that would dip squares of ice cream instead of balls of ice cream.
I don't remember that there was ever a White Castle at the intersection of Hohman and 165th, but there sure was a Prince Castle.
We had "Prince Burgers" once in a while, but they must not have made much of an impression on me, because I can't even remember if they were round or square.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
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10-30-2008
( Reply#: 2410 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
I'm almost sure there was a small White Castle - looked like a diner painted white - right on that corner at 165th and Hohman. Get a bag full for a dollar.
Ken...
Hey Guys!
According to the White Castle Locater online, there is a White Castle just off 165th on Calumet---6517 Calumet Ave.
Hammond,IN 46324 and then there is one on Indianapolis Blvd.--But I guess none of that is news to you guys. Have you looked at the following site? http://www.geocities.com/hhs59/lunchtim.htm? Has logos for the Fat Boy, Mace's (which I had not heard of), as well as White Castle--also a pic. of "the lunch ladies at HHS in 1959 (I guess).
Since Nashville, Tn now has a White Castle--has for several years, and you have talked about them, I have a taste for that most unbeeflike, but oniony flavorsome treat--may travel across town to get one tomorrow.....but then, ya can't eat just one, can ya?
S C JONES |
10-31-2008
( Reply#: 2411 ) |
seejay2 |
Hi kids,
If I may be allowed to digress for a bit, everything Shep wrote was inspired by someone, somewhere or something that touched his life. Can anyone tell me who he may be refering to when he wrote of Wanda Hickey? I have not read his "Wanda Hickey's Night of Golden Memories", but if someone out there has, what kind of real-life person could he be writing about and what did this person look like? What did she do for a living? Who was the real Wanda Hickey?............Cj |
10-31-2008
( Reply#: 2413 ) |
duane |
Shep actually tells us a lot about Wanda in the story.
She is blond (straw colored hair), and wears a ponytail. She has milky skin and wears glasses. Her eyes were unnaturally large and liquid, the way a true myopia victim's always are. She plays tennis a lot. She is the only girl that Ralphie knew for a fact liked him since third grade and when they were 12 she sent him a valentine. She hung around in his circle of friends a lot. She was "vaguely chubby", modeled herself after Judy Garland. She was like a cute beach ball, soft and rubbery. Ralphie later thought she was kinda cute. She was an incurable romantic.
She was good at algebra. She read the book "Lady of the Lake." On prom night, her breath smelled with Smith Brothers Cough Drops and sauerkraut.
Her mother's name was Emily, her dad was a foreman at the mill and drove a green 2 door Studebaker Champion with white sidewalls. Her brother named Bud was 4 or 5 years older and was in the Army, in the infantry.
Two blocks from Wanda's house is a vacant lot containing a huge Sherwin Williams paint "Cover the Earth" sign. NOTE: There was a HUGE sign like this on an industrial building in Whiting, IN...but since Wanda went to Ralphie's school, hung out with his friends, and was walking past his house after playing tennis, she must have lived in the Hessville neighborhood. So perhaps as with many things Shep, the sign in Whiting may have just influenced his story.
So there you have all that we know about Wanda from Shep's short story. Of course in the film, a young actress plays the role, but in some ways she matches and other ways she is different from the description in his written story. Given these clues, does anyone know the REAL person that Wanda was based on? Or for that matter, who Clara Mae Mattingly (who wore gold rimmed glasses and pigtails and was a good speller) was based on? Or who Eileen Akers or Daphne Bigelow were based on? |
11-03-2008
( Reply#: 2416 ) |
seejay2 |
Thanks a lot Duane. My interest was not so much in who the character was in the story, but rather if he had possibly fashioned one of them from a real life waitress/owner of a restaurant just a couple blocks from his Hessville home on Kennedy Ave---sharing the building where Hessville Cleaners was. A person I am looking for could have been a 'Clare' or 'Wanda'.
Thanks again........Cj |
11-03-2008
( Reply#: 2417 ) |
duane |
I just thought I would list all of the "clues" that Shep may have given us with regard to Wanda, so that maybe someone could pick up on them and remember if there was a real person that fit some of those descriptions.
Unfortunately, Shep tended to take bits and pieces of real things and mix them together to embellish a character. So perhaps the real Wanda did have a brother named Bud and a mom named Emily and a Dad who was a foreman at the mill, but it could have been various real people from his past that he pasted together.
My thought, there probably was a real Wanda and she probably had some characteristics of the novelized Wanda. Is there any way that someone who was in Shep's high school at the time could figure out just who he DID take to prom? |
11-04-2008
( Reply#: 2418 ) |
wvcogs |
In the message that S C posted above there is a link to the hhs59 web page. From that page there is a link to a site with a picture of an original style McDonald's restaurant with the following caption:
"This was only the second McDonald's Hamburger restaurant in the national chain. It was located on Indianapolis Boulevard in Hammond, Indiana."
Now, I would like the help of those of you Region natives who remained there or at least remember the history of the place. Please take a look at these pictures. The one on the left is of the McDonald's at 175th and Indianapolis Blvd from the Purdue Calumet Archives and was taken in the mid 1950s. This picture was taken before the building with the Schlesinger Realty office was built on the corner next to McDonald's. The picture on the right is the one that was linked from the hhs59 page, and it appears to have been taken in the 1960s based upon the cars. The two obviously are of different buildings. Also, they must be in different locations. Notice what looks like a church spire in the background in the photo on the right. There were no churches on Olcott Avenue, the street just behind McDonald's at 175th and Indianapolis.
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/McDonalds.jpg"]McDonald's Hamburgers[/url]
Is it possible there was another McDonald's up in north Hammond near the lake? I don't think so, but don't know for sure.
Thanks.
Ken... |
11-05-2008
( Reply#: 2419 ) |
duane |
Ken - here are my thoughts. I remember going there as a very young kid with my family in our old 1950 Chevy, so it would have been the late 1950's or early 1960's. Also, while attending Purdue Calumet in the early 1970's, I often went there for lunch.
My best take on the situation is that one of the pictures is not the McDonald's adjacent to the Borman expressway. I believe the picture with the old 15 cent hamburger sign shows the orrect location. At that time period, the sign was not directly in front of the store, but to the north as this picture shows it. It also appears that the 1960's photo has the building much closer to the boulevard than the 1950's picture. I don't recall that they built a new building (until much later when they moved from the site altogether) and I also don't recall that Indianapolis Blvd. was widened during this time period.
So, my theory is that you have the correct picture, and the other picture is not of the Indy blvd. location. |
11-05-2008
( Reply#: 2420 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
In the message that S C posted above there is a link to the hhs59 web page. From that page there is a link to a site with a picture of an original style McDonald's restaurant with the following caption:
"This was only the second McDonald's Hamburger restaurant in the national chain. It was located on Indianapolis Boulevard in Hammond, Indiana."
Is it possible there was another McDonald's up in north Hammond near the lake? I don't think so, but don't know for sure.
Ken, I remember the place well. In 1957, I drove my father's 1954 two-tone ugly Ford Custom (without a license) to church every Sunday my father wasn't working at the mill.
One particular Sunday evening, I went beyond where I was supposed to go and drove to the McDonalds (The one on the left is THE ONE.) at 175th and Indianapolis with friends from church in the car with me. On the way home, as we exited the "freeway" (was that Borman, I don't know.) The motor quit--and luckily, another carload of teen friends from church was behind us and pushed me home. I was quite upset and was afraid the guy driving the bigger, older car would dent my Dad's car. The whole carload of teens who helped me, went up to my Dad and explained what happened. My Dad said to me, "Hey, it could have happened to me, don't worry about it." He never mentioned that I should not have gone beyond the church and back.. WHEW! I do remember the place as the one pictured on the left with "Speedy, the Chef". I don't know how old the following sites are, but......
According to the McDonalds History site there are now two MacDonalds in Hammond--
1 6437 COLUMBIA AVENUE
HAMMOND, IN 46320-2747
2 CALUMET AVE & CHICAGO AVE
HAMMOND, IN 46327 |
11-05-2008
( Reply#: 2421 ) |
duane |
Great Story! Sounds like Shep could have used that as a story about him and the "old man"!
It wasn't called the Borman Expressway until much later, being named after Astronaut Frank Borman from Gary, IN.
Sounds like we are developing an consensus about the REAL McDonald's phot. I wouldn't be surprised that if the other picture came out of a yearbook, it may have been a "canned picture" that the McDonald's headquarters used for any yearbook photos, and not necessarily any particular location. |
11-05-2008
( Reply#: 2422 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs... The one on the left is of the McDonald's at 175th and Indianapolis Blvd from the Purdue Calumet Archives and was taken in the mid 1950s. This picture was taken before the building with the Schlesinger Realty office was built on the corner next to McDonald's...
Mort Schlesinger was a buddy of mine, in elementary school. He lived on the corner of the block, across from Lost Park. We fooled around with home-made rockets and stuff. I remember his mom as quite a kind person. Does anyone know what became of the family? I could find no trace of them or their business, anywhere on the internet.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
11-07-2008
( Reply#: 2423 ) |
dilligaf717 |
I remember when I was in the seventh and eighth grade at St. John Bosco, we used to lie to the nuns and say we were going to someones house for luch. We could jump on our bicycles and ride to the McDonalds on Indy Blvd., eat and make it back during our lunch period. We could even eat a buger and coke for what our school lunch cost. What a deal.
Jim
Still runnin against the wind. |
11-17-2008
( Reply#: 2438 ) |
wvcogs |
Hey Duane and Sue,
Thanks for the responses about McDonalds. That's what I thought. The 1960s photo obviously is a scanned image from a yearbook or some other publication; so, it must be a "canned picture" like Duane said.
Sue, I also went to McDonald's Sunday evenings after church in 1957. (Can you believe that? I actually went to church on Sunday evenings back then.) Usually the driver was the redhead in your homeroom, and there were about six of us in the car. Her brother was a good friend of mine. A friend of the redhead was the girl who has been my wife for 45 years. I didn't get to know her well until months later and we didn't start dating until at least a year later. Those two girls had been friends since they began kindergarten at Harding in January 1946 with Miss Jordan and Miss Heflin.
It's interesting how McDonald's at 175th and Indianapolis played a part in many of our lives just as the other drive ins did!
By the way, what is now the Borman -- I always called the Tri-State. Remember when going to Chicago involved taking the Tri-State to the Calumet expressway; then to Stony Island into Chicago? At some point we would cut over from Stony Island to the Outer Drive near the Museum of Science and Industry and head downtown to the underground parking garage. I also remember the few times I dared to take Route 41 all the way through the far south side.
Ken
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11-17-2008
( Reply#: 2439 ) |
S C Jones |
Hey, Ken!
It is interesting to me that our paths crossed and we probably saw one another many days at school--you are in that yearbook picture taken at the senior girl's against the faculty basketball game; I was the captain of the girl's team--Olive's Oilers-- The redhead was on that team, and I remember her well. Now you tell me we probably had Sunday after-church meals in cars parked side-by-side at the 2nd McDonalds west of the Mississippi (not a franchise, but one of the national chain--right?) And your wife was also someone I probably saw everyday at school, because I was in the same homeroom as the redhead.
All of that is made to interest me because, here we are 50 some years later, having a conversation and at the time we may not have even spoken to each other, but we all rubbed elbows in the halls of Oliver Perry Morton High School as we went about our youth seeking to know ourselves. I hope I was nice to you and your wife if/when we had any direct encounters. Who knows? I know what you and your wife became professionally, what did the redhead (with glasses, as I remember) do for a living?
As for taking the Borman (I called it the Freeway.) or any other route to Chicago, I only remember driving to Chicago to a Cubs game (yes, I know, but the Sox weren't playing.) when, the summer after my freshman year in college, I was home working as a church secretary by day and a carhop at the PowWow by night.
A guy from college visited me that summer and heÑfrom the hill country of N.C. who had never seen such trafficÑAnd, I have to confess, I was astounded at the many lanes of traffic and the speed with which everyone drove on the Outer Drive. The only time I had been in a car driving to Chicago before that was to go with a guy to a dance/night club called The Fickle Pickle.
Alas, as a White Sox fan, I never got to Comisky Park for a game. And, I do not remember if the Cubs won or lost--didn't care, really... :^ )
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11-17-2008
( Reply#: 2440 ) |
duane |
Ken- our family back then always took HWY 41 all the way to Chicago.
Even today, when I would go to visit family we always exit the Dan Ryan (or is it the Edens at that point) north of the loop and jump on LSD (Lake Shore Drive)and take it all the way south. Going past the Hancock, Buckingham fountain, the museums and then going past the South Shore Country club, past a huge Catholic Church (St. Michaels?) Does anyone remember the Thunderbird Motel? (long since gone and now a small neighborhood park. Past the site of the old US Steel South Chicago works. Crossing the river and seeing some of the large barges hauling salt or coal Then driving under the huge bridge of the Skyway, past "Chicago's Last Liquour Store" and through the Standard Oil and Sinclair refineries and the huge gas tower owned by NIPSCO.
Moose Cholak (a professional wrestler) had a bar located near where HWY 41 intersected the Skyway. Also, the streets and sidewalks in that area were elevated, so there was an open area beneath the sidewalks. My parents said this was where the locals had a "Joe pod side-vaulkiem" which is pidgeon English/Polish for "Joe under the sidewalk" or in other words - the outhouse!
While we lock the doors on the car as we travel, we've never had any problems...and fortunately, the car never broke down!! |
11-17-2008
( Reply#: 2441 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Hey Duane and Sue,
Thanks for the responses about McDonalds. That's what I thought. The 1960s photo obviously is a scanned image from a yearbook or some other publication; so, it must be a "canned picture" like Duane said.
Sue, I also went to McDonald's Sunday evenings after church in 1957. (Can you believe that? I actually went to church on Sunday evenings back then.) Usually the driver was the redhead in your homeroom, and there were about six of us in the car. Her brother was a good friend of mine. A friend of the redhead was the girl who has been my wife for 45 years. I didn't get to know her well until months later and we didn't start dating until at least a year later. Those two girls had been friends since they began kindergarten at Harding in January 1946 with Miss Jordan and Miss Heflin.
It's interesting how McDonald's at 175th and Indianapolis played a part in many of our lives just as the other drive ins did!
By the way, what is now the Borman -- I always called the Tri-State. Remember when going to Chicago involved taking the Tri-State to the Calumet expressway; then to Stony Island into Chicago? At some point we would cut over from Stony Island to the Outer Drive near the Museum of Science and Industry and head downtown to the underground parking garage. I also remember the few times I dared to take Route 41 all the way through the far south side.
Ken
Ken:
I remember taking the Calumet Expressway into Chicago some of the few times I went to Chicago. I didn't go to Chicago too often as I was growing up in Hammond.
It looks like they call the Calumet Expressway the "Bishop Ford Freeway" now.
I remember a HUGE garbage dump on the right side of the road as you were heading toward Chicago. I think it was just south of Lake Calumet. YUCK!
I have also been to Chicago via the Skyway, and I have been via Route 41 as well.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
11-18-2008
( Reply#: 2443 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Hey, Ken!
All of that is made to interest me because, here we are 50 some years later, having a conversation and at the time we may not have even spoken to each other, but we all rubbed elbows in the halls of Oliver Perry Morton High School as we went about our youth seeking to know ourselves. I hope I was nice to you and your wife if/when we had any direct encounters. Who knows? I know what you and your wife became professionally, what did the redhead (with glasses, as I remember) do for a living?
Sue,
Speaking of direct encounters, there was at least one that I know of. The picture in the 1958 Top Hat of Olive's "champion" Oilers with S C Jones holding the trophy is one that I took. When the yearbooks came out I went through and put a check mark by each of my photos. I'm glad I did that.
Ken |
11-18-2008
( Reply#: 2444 ) |
S C Jones |
So, you must have told me and the others to smile, which means you spoke to me. I was probably too full of my own importance at the time--my 15 minutes of HS fame![^]--to think to thank you for taking the pic. --So, a belated thank you, Ken.
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Hey, Ken!
All of that is made to interest me because, here we are 50 some years later, having a conversation and at the time we may not have even spoken to each other, but we all rubbed elbows in the halls of Oliver Perry Morton High School as we went about our youth seeking to know ourselves. I hope I was nice to you and your wife if/when we had any direct encounters. Who knows? I know what you and your wife became professionally, what did the redhead (with glasses, as I remember) do for a living?
Sue,
Speaking of direct encounters, there was at least one that I know of. The picture in the 1958 Top Hat of Olive's "champion" Oilers with S C Jones holding the trophy is one that I took. When the yearbooks came out I went through and put a check mark by each of my photos. I'm glad I did that.
Ken
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
12-21-2008
( Reply#: 2508 ) |
svea3 |
SC
Well, I think I was a forward with Sue Sharkey on the losing team. Sue was so good that the boys wanted her on their team. She could hit the hoop from past mid court. I often wonder if she ever became a gym teacher.
Our teacher-coach- one of those senior moments- I cannot recall her name ended up as my instructor at the University of Michigan in my golf class for my Masters degree. I do not know when she left OPM.[B)]
Ken, I know that the Presby's would go to Mickey D's after choir practice on Thursdays with Mr Melton at Covenant.[:I]
Linda! |
12-26-2008
( Reply#: 2537 ) |
Cindy M |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Something I was talking about with an IU student last week--- did anybody see Bobby Kennedy when he came to town? I was with a couple of guys in a house on Conkey St. When we came outside, the street was wall to wall people and I had no idea why. Then a car with speakers on it came through announcing that "Bobby Kennedy is two cars behind this one".
We looked at each other in total disbelief! This can't be real!! But sure enough, there he was, with Ethel, looking way beyond the legal definition of 'Cool'. Just thought I'd toss that in. He's the only person of celeb status that I've blundered into aside from Ed McMahon, whom everybody in the planet has seen at one time or another...........Cj
My next oldest sister did!!
She had reached up her hand, and he took a-hold of it to shake her hand.
His hand had apparently become so numb from shaking so many hands, that he did not realize he had not let go of her hand, and that she was having to run along beside!
I believe somewhere around in my stuff, I still have some sort of a campaign pamphlet from that event.
Interestngly enough, my baby sister (along with Mom) also saw LBJ in town somewhere. She was quite small, maybe 3 years old or so. She was photographed and was in the Hammond Times. Very cute picture. Mom said people kept hollering..."Pick up the baby, Mr. President!", referring to my baby sister. He didn't though. [:)] |
12-26-2008
( Reply#: 2538 ) |
seejay2 |
This was probably good for your sister as LBJ could screw up everything he touched. I don't remember him coming around here, though. On the other hand, that was a time in my life when he could have stood next to me all day and I wouldn't have remembered it.
Bobby was too cool to go by unnoticed though....Cj
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03-12-2009
( Reply#: 2822 ) |
tom w |
Someone mentioned Bobby Kennedy's visit to the region in his blue,
Lincoln, four-door convertable. When he passed Calumet and Hoffman,
all the drunks from the Yankee Inn went out to see him. I stayed in the place with Joe Mis the owner. Someone yelled "Hey Bobbie,come have a drink with your friends." To everyones surprise, He stopped the motorcade and the Secret Service guys came in and looked around and Bobbie came in and said gimmie a beer. Joe poured him a tap while he shook my hand and said "How are ya? Nice to see ya." I just sat like a dummy and shook my head up and down and tried to smile. Joe had a domed glass box made to put Bobbie unwashed glass in and kept it on the back-bar for years. As a footnote to the story, I had shook hands with his brother years earlier in a J. M. Fields store in Sattelite Beach, Florida under similar circumstances. By the way, there was a White Castle on the corner of Calumet and State Streets for years. We walked to Hammond tech and back every day and stopped on the way to school in the winter for a hot chocolate. We also went across the street so we could stop at Wonder Bread bakery on Michigan and Calumet across from Jim's Drive-in. They had an exhaust fan that blew on the sidewalk. It was warm and smelled great. Take care all. |
03-12-2009
( Reply#: 2825 ) |
cartoonguy |
I can recall my family and I seeing Robert Kennedy, during his campaign stop in Hammond, Indiana, it was late May of 1968, he gave a speech at the school of St. John Bosco. But sadly just a few weeks later he was assassinated. |
03-14-2009
( Reply#: 2834 ) |
tom w |
Hey cartoonguy. Do you remember the Explosions and fire at the Whiting refinery? I remember everyone sitting on their roofs and watching the smoke and flames. I remember seeing someone jumping on the coal trains and throwing coal off so the old ladies could walk down the tracks and pick up the coal to keep warm. As a kid, I would jump on the back bumper of the Coke trucks when they stopped for a stop sign and reach around and throw Coke bottles off then get off at the next stopsign and go back and drink the Cokes. This worked great until the driver got wise and blew the second stopsign. I got scared and jumped off aqnd skidded for half a block. Never again. We used to hang out by the library on the corner of Oak and Hoffman and when a car stopped for the stop sign. we would run out and crouch down and grab the rear bumper. When the car took off, we would see who could ride by sliding on our leather shoes the farthest. Some fun!! Take care all. Tom W Hammond Tech 55-58 |
03-15-2009
( Reply#: 2838 ) |
FloridaKelly |
quote:
Originally posted by golfwidow
Does anyone remember the name of a grocery store on the corner of 175th and Calumet? It is now a School Stuff store. If anyone knows I'd appreciate if you could post an answer. My parents/husband and I are stumped. [:o)] Thanks in advance.
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03-15-2009
( Reply#: 2839 ) |
FloridaKelly |
quote:
Originally posted by golfwidow
Does anyone remember the name of a grocery store on the corner of 175th and Calumet? It is now a School Stuff store. If anyone knows I'd appreciate if you could post an answer. My parents/husband and I are stumped. [:o)] Thanks in advance.
Well, Tom J turned me on to this website. Finally, I can contribute to this forum. If my memory is correct, Model Food Store was the name of the grocery store that you are looking for. |
03-15-2009
( Reply#: 2840 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by FloridaKelly
quote:
Originally posted by golfwidow
Does anyone remember the name of a grocery store on the corner of 175th and Calumet? It is now a School Stuff store. If anyone knows I'd appreciate if you could post an answer. My parents/husband and I are stumped. [:o)] Thanks in advance.
Well, Tom J turned me on to this website. Finally, I can contribute to this forum. If my memory is correct, Model Food Store was the name of the grocery store that you are looking for.
Kelly! Welcome, my classmate and friend!
I hope you are over in the Downtown Hammond section right now, because the Cam Lam has been mentioned over there, and I think that might be the restaurant your dad owned?
HHS WILDCATS CLASS OF '67 RULES!
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
03-15-2009
( Reply#: 2842 ) |
FloridaKelly |
quote:
Originally posted by golfwidow
Hi Tom, thanks for trying to help. We lived on 171st and Jefferson, near Edison School and Dairy Belle. We live in Crown Point now. We just drove through Hammond yesterday, my parents are visiting from Florida, and we took a trip dodwn memory lane, haha. We still can't remember the name of that grocery store. It was on the NW corner of 175th and Calumet . Thanks again.
golfwidow,
Tom J turned me on to this website. Model Food Store was the name of the grocery stores that you are trying to remember.
FloridaKelly |
04-08-2009
( Reply#: 2952 ) |
svea3 |
[8D]You know that reading all these posts is still a lot of FUN
I just reread all 17 pages.
[ I guess I have not a real LIFE!] [8)] |
04-09-2009
( Reply#: 2956 ) |
seejay2 |
The shame is, a lot of it was deleted out of the middle. The "Hammond" one was the best one. It was a pretty good working copy for someone doing a documentary on Hessville/Hammond of the '60s....Cj |
04-09-2009
( Reply#: 2957 ) |
Joel357 |
I have home movies, that my dad took of Bobby's plane landing at the Hobart Airport and Bobby getting out of the plane and working the crowd. My dad had his airplane at the airport. I had the movies put on DVD and really quite interesting
Joel Miner |
04-12-2009
( Reply#: 2966 ) |
svea3 |
I put all my dad's 1930 movies onto VHS. Is it hard to do the change to DVD? LINDA[:I] |
04-12-2009
( Reply#: 2967 ) |
wvcogs |
Linda,
I have a VHS/DVD recorder that does that sort of thing. I transferred most of my old VHS tapes to DVD -- old movies, TV shows, and family tapes -- and tossed out the tapes.
Cuz Ken... |
04-19-2009
( Reply#: 2978 ) |
seejay2 |
Hi guys,
I just thought I'd throw this on the table. Since I jumped into this forum, back in January of 2007, I have had a great deal of fun with it. I got hooked on it when I could not remember the name of a drive-in that I used to go to all the time back then. I blundered across this forum and Tom J supplied me with the answer within a couple of hours. Thru this forum, I hooked up with a woman I had known back in high school, who was then and still today is trying to find out what ultimatly happened to her real father. She now resides in Arizona. I have been able to go back to Hessville, numerous times, and interview people who had been living in the 50s - 60 era because of my proximity to Hessville. We have made many steps ahead, but we are still looking...
My mother still lives in Hessville, so I have made trips back there and probably learned more about that little community in the last two years than my whole time spent on earth.
Several of you have asked me in the past, if I could take some pix of a house, business or something you knew back then and I did so when possible and was successful every time. I have really had a lot of fun with this.
The time has come for us to move mom out of the area now, closer to my brother. She's still very active, but she is 82, Hessville is changing and not for the better. I'm really sorry to say that, but that is the reality of it.
Anyway, the whole point is, we will be moving her out and selling the house. After that, I will have no real reason to go there again. If anyone on this forum would still like me to stop and take a picture of something or leave a message to someone, now would be the time to do it.
When I leave there, I still would like to have some positive feelings toward the little town that I didn't realize that I loved so much until now, and that would be one way of making this possible.
By the way, the drive-in was Pow Wow......Cj |
04-19-2009
( Reply#: 2979 ) |
wvcogs |
Cj,
Whether or not you make any more trips back to the old country, I hope to hear more from you on the forum. In the meantime, how about one more pic -- Jack's Carry Out? It is still there, isn't it? And it's fairly close to your Mom's house.
Thanks for all the information and pictures you have provided up to this time. Keep in touch.
Ken |
04-19-2009
( Reply#: 2981 ) |
Tom J |
CJ:
Your contributions to this message board have been monumental. Thanks for all you have done.
I hope that even after your mom gets settled into her new home, you might still be willing to make an occasional excursion into "The Region" for some "investigative reporting." You sure do a real nice job of that, you know.
Good luck in tracking down that lady's father. I hope she learns what happened to him. It's good of you to help her.
Keep on contributing, with or without pictures. Your posts are always good reads.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
04-19-2009
( Reply#: 2982 ) |
seejay2 |
Thanks for the accolades guys! Electronically, I'm not going anywhere. I still will check in every day as I do now; sometimes several times a day. I just won't be making the routine trips to the "Old Country" the way I used to. We are moving mom to Lowell where she can be watched over a little better, and there is a good chance I will be in your neighborhood, Tom, by next year.
Yeah, Ken, "Jack's" is still there and I will get the photo for you on the next trip. I'm sure something will attract me right back to Hessville easily enough as you mention, Tom......Cj |
04-20-2009
( Reply#: 2983 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
CJ:
Your contributions to this message board have been monumental. Thanks for all you have done....
Keep on contributing, with or without pictures. Your posts are always good reads....
I second all of that. Thanks!
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
04-20-2009
( Reply#: 2984 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Thanks for the accolades guys! Electronically, I'm not going anywhere. I still will check in every day as I do now; sometimes several times a day. I just won't be making the routine trips to the "Old Country" the way I used to. We are moving mom to Lowell where she can be watched over a little better, and there is a good chance I will be in your neighborhood, Tom, by next year.
Yeah, Ken, "Jack's" is still there and I will get the photo for you on the next trip. I'm sure something will attract me right back to Hessville easily enough as you mention, Tom......Cj
CJ:
Man, once you get down here, we are gonna have to get together and have some MAJOR reminiscing sessions. You will be just an hour and fifteen minutes away from me.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
05-10-2009
( Reply#: 3060 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Cj,
Whether or not you make any more trips back to the old country, I hope to hear more from you on the forum. In the meantime, how about one more pic -- Jack's Carry Out? It is still there, isn't it? And it's fairly close to your Mom's house.
Thanks for all the information and pictures you have provided up to this time. Keep in touch.
Ken
We took mom out to breakfast for Mother's Day today, so here ya go, Ken. One of the very few (if not the only) places in the original building, carrying the original name.....Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/DSC01298.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/DSC01299.jpg[/IMG]
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05-10-2009
( Reply#: 3061 ) |
Tom J |
I'm not from Hessville, and I had never before even heard of Jack's, but it still THRILLS MY SOUL that SOMETHING is still the same as it was in the days of our youth. I'm happy for you "Hessvillians" that you have this place still around.
Thanks, CJ.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
05-12-2009
( Reply#: 3071 ) |
wvcogs |
Cj - Thanks for the pics of Jack's. Here are one of your pictures and one from the ad section of an old Morton yearbook. The two of them are separated only by fifty years, a new sign, a new front door, and what must be a new paint job.
Ken...
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/JacksCarryOut-1.jpg[/img] |
05-13-2009
( Reply#: 3073 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Thanks, Ken. I prefer the old look.
For those not from the neighborhood, the store fronts on Kennedy Avenue, across the street and one very long block south of the original Flick's Tap. Beyond the store you can see part of the huge vacant lot that had a few towering dead oak trees. In the far distance, that's 165th Street. It must have been down 165th that Shep hitchhiked to Hammond High, several miles to the west (and got that ride from Josephine Cowznowski's uncle).* 165th is the only nearby street that connects to the west side of town, since the vast prairie, Indiana Harbor Belt's Gibson yard and the Sinclair tank farm occupied all the territory for quite a ways north.
* (Surely you remember Flick's ill-timed quip: "D'ya think ace here is gonna score tonight? I hear them Polish girls invented sex!"--repartee that later was to have dire consequences.)
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
05-13-2009
( Reply#: 3074 ) |
Tom J |
Thanks for the background info, Bill.
I lived just six houses north of 165th on Woodward Avenue, but that was a couple miles west of Kennedy. You would have crossed Indy Blvd and Columbia Avenue before getting to Woodward.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
05-18-2009
( Reply#: 3077 ) |
linbu |
I can't tell you how happy I was to stumble upon this site! I was born and raised in Hessville, along with my 4 brothers and 1 sister. I've only read a bit, but it sure brings back memories. As I get older, I'm forgetting a lot of things, words and places slip my mind, but the more I read, the more I remember. I was born in 1948 and lived in the same house, on California Ave., until 1970. Mom and dad lived there for 60 years and finally moved to Lowell about 7 years ago. I spent my childhood at Hessville park, skating, swimming, and flirting. I can't wait to read more and I will be keeping track of you all. Thanks! |
05-18-2009
( Reply#: 3078 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by linbu
I can't tell you how happy I was to stumble upon this site! I was born and raised in Hessville, along with my 4 brothers and 1 sister. I've only read a bit, but it sure brings back memories. As I get older, I'm forgetting a lot of things, words and places slip my mind, but the more I read, the more I remember. I was born in 1948 and lived in the same house, on California Ave., until 1970. Mom and dad lived there for 60 years and finally moved to Lowell about 7 years ago. I spent my childhood at Hessville park, skating, swimming, and flirting. I can't wait to read more and I will be keeping track of you all. Thanks!
Welcome, Linbu!
Even though I am from another part of Hammond, I still enjoy reading the posts in here where folks reminisce about their younger days in Hessville.
Do you have any memories of Downtown Hammond to share? There is a separate thread about Downtown, if you would care to contribute. It seems that no matter which part of Hammond folks are from, they share a love for Downtown.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
05-18-2009
( Reply#: 3079 ) |
linbu |
Oh, I remember taking the bus from Hessville to downtown, going to the Parthenon or Paramount, Kresges, Goldblatts, etc. I remember the day the Dave Clark 5 came to town! What a thrill. It was so safe back then. My, how things have changed. BTW, I remember Bill Bucko, lol. |
05-18-2009
( Reply#: 3080 ) |
linbu |
Well, I'm only to page 14, from age 18, but it sure is interesting reading. So, yes, we went to the roller dome on Goslin St., I was a patrol girl at 171st and Kennedy, I see mention of a 6th grade teacher named Miss Blount. My 6th grade teacher was Miss Blunt. Same? I had Mrs. Bailey, Mr. Black, and Miss Jane too. I remember Miss Virden (ol tractor shoes), Mr. Ruff, and all the others mentioned. Anyone remember Mr. Jancich? He came along later, very tall guy, but I really liked him. I was in his history class the day JFK died. I'm going ack to read some more. |
05-18-2009
( Reply#: 3081 ) |
linbu |
Posted - 06/03/2007 : 19:41:13
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NOW There was a WALTER Johnson, from OPMorton, who went on a dance TV show in Chicago. He's passed away though. Does anyone remember him? I just want to say that there was just one more Johnson WHO is NOT related to me. All you Johnson's who are on this site.... was he related to any of you?
Walter Johnson was my big brother. He used to go every Saturday to Chicago and dance. We'd sit home and watch him on tv. (He was going with Jackie Savich, or soming like that. (She was homecoming queen, 1950, I believe.) Wally's gone now, along with my sister DeeDee (Marie) and brother Tommy. |
05-20-2009
( Reply#: 3088 ) |
Alan Vandever |
Linda, I wonder if you remember Tom Roop? He lived in Hessville on California but I don't know the address. |
05-20-2009
( Reply#: 3089 ) |
Paddy |
quote:
Originally posted by linbu
... we went to the roller dome on Goslin St.
Ah, the Roller Dome. I don't remember the owner, but I sure remember his daughter who worked there. It has been so long that I don't remember her name, but I thought that she might become my first love.
I biked to the Roller Dome and skated every chance I had. She was a guard, or whatever they were called, who enforced the rink rules. She was beauty in motion, turning on a dime to warn skaters who were bending the rules or flying after scofflaws and whistling them off the rink. I have no idea why we got along, but we struck up a relationship.
Out of the Blue, she enrolled at Noll when I was a sophomore, which made me believe that God had answered my prayers. But within a few months, she was gone from Noll and the Roller Dome. I later learned that she was dating a sailor, and my suspicion was that she got preggers. It just took all the fun out of skating at the Roller Dome. |
05-21-2009
( Reply#: 3090 ) |
S C Jones |
Paddy,
I met that daughter in New Mexico. I may have the story a bit convoluted, but either her father and mother divorced or her mother died. Her father remarried and she and her step-mother were never compatible. (I am trying to remember her name, too.) She lived in Nashville, TN. for a time and one street over from me. In a lawsuit that seemed to go on forever (I did not keep up with it, but knew of its happening.) she was fighting her the step side of her father's family. She went back to Hammond and was working to remodel and revitalize the Roller Dome and I haven't heard from her since--that was in the early to mid 1990's. I have a friend who may be able to remember her name. I'll check..... |
05-21-2009
( Reply#: 3091 ) |
linbu |
Nope, I don't remember Tom Roop. Sorry. |
05-21-2009
( Reply#: 3092 ) |
S C Jones |
Paddy, the name was Pam Mitchell--and here is the site for the story of the closing of Roller Dome in 2008---
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2008/09/21/news/lake_county/doc81b91553085cbfb3862574ca00802edb.txt
quote:
Originally posted by Paddy
quote:
Originally posted by linbu
... we went to the roller dome on Goslin St.
Ah, the Roller Dome. I don't remember the owner, but I sure remember his daughter who worked there. It has been so long that I don't remember her name, but I thought that she might become my first love.
I biked to the Roller Dome and skated every chance I had. She was a guard, or whatever they were called, who enforced the rink rules. She was beauty in motion, turning on a dime to warn skaters who were bending the rules or flying after scofflaws and whistling them off the rink. I have no idea why we got along, but we struck up a relationship.
Out of the Blue, she enrolled at Noll when I was a sophomore, which made me believe that God had answered my prayers. But within a few months, she was gone from Noll and the Roller Dome. I later learned that she was dating a sailor, and my suspicion was that she got preggers. It just took all the fun out of skating at the Roller Dome.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-21-2009
( Reply#: 3093 ) |
Tom J |
Nice work, S.C.!
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
05-21-2009
( Reply#: 3094 ) |
S C Jones |
Thanks, Tom J.
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Originally posted by Tom J
Nice work, S.C.!
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG]
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05-23-2009
( Reply#: 3101 ) |
linbu |
Does anyone here remember Monkey Hill? It was across the tracks from us, off the 7000 block of Calif. I wonder if we kids gave it that name or if it had been called that for years. We all used to go sledding there. There were some seldom used train tracks just a hair north of the hill and we were all told to stay off those tracks and the box cars sitting there. We, of course, didn't, and my brother Tommy ended up breaking all the fingers on one hand when Ricky Brakely rolled the door shut just as Tommy was climbing in. We had to lie our butts off to my mom and she never found out the truth until 1970, after Tommy's funeral. |
05-23-2009
( Reply#: 3102 ) |
seejay2 |
I always knew it as Monkey Hill. What happened to Tommy? I didn't know he had passed......Cj |
05-23-2009
( Reply#: 3103 ) |
linbu |
Gosh, if you played on Monkey Hill, I have to know you, but the name doesn't ring a bell. Tommy committed suicide in 1970. Wally died when he was about 42, and Dee (Marie) died in 1999 at age 52 from a stroke. |
05-24-2009
( Reply#: 3104 ) |
seejay2 |
I don't remember you from the Hill, but I did bump into you and Mardy occasionally when I used to deliver those annoying flyers and circulars for Goldblatts, and whoever, all over the Eastgate area. We chatted a few times in school, too.
If you go to the "Trains" topic, about 20% of the way down, I put up a pic there of my brother and I, in front of a loco wheel, when we were kids. I'm on the right...Cj |
05-24-2009
( Reply#: 3105 ) |
seejay2 |
Hey Ken,
I just made one more trip to the 'Old Country', and your old apt building (the one across from the IBEW on 165th) is gone!....Cj |
05-24-2009
( Reply#: 3106 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Hey Ken,
I just made one more trip to the 'Old Country', and your old apt building (the one across from the IBEW on 165th) is gone!....Cj
Thanks Cj. That's the best news I've heard in a long time. The couple years we spent in that little apartment were not the best years of my life.[:D]
Ken... |
05-25-2009
( Reply#: 3111 ) |
seejay2 |
Well, it never did have the propensity of becoming the next Trump International Hotel in Hessville.
I'm glad you won't become too morose over it's disappearance.....Cj |
05-25-2009
( Reply#: 3122 ) |
Joel357 |
It is also a shame(?) that Kennedy Park Apartments was torn down. But that may also be a good thing on second thought.
Joel |
05-27-2009
( Reply#: 3129 ) |
Paddy |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Paddy, the name was Pam Mitchell--and here is the site for the story of the closing of Roller Dome in 2008
Your news had me pumped, but alas, Pam was not the one.
I met my "Lady of the Roller Rink" around 1955-56, so I suspect she was the daughter of the original owner. |
05-28-2009
( Reply#: 3134 ) |
S C Jones |
Aww, [|)] I'm sorry Pam wasn't the "Lady of the Roller Rink" .
quote:
Originally posted by Paddy
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Paddy, the name was Pam Mitchell--and here is the site for the story of the closing of Roller Dome in 2008
Your news had me pumped, but alas, Pam was not the one.
I met my "Lady of the Roller Rink" around 1955-56, so I suspect she was the daughter of the original owner.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-29-2009
( Reply#: 3143 ) |
Paddy |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Aww, [|)] I'm sorry Pam wasn't the "Lady of the Roller Rink" .
So am I. It would have been a hoot to find her and tell her how much I was smitten. |
05-30-2009
( Reply#: 3146 ) |
svea3 |
Welcome to another LINDA [:)]
and another JOHNSON too[8D]
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05-30-2009
( Reply#: 3149 ) |
svea3 |
All right I was swept back into the 50's and the world of Burr Tillstrom. He and his kuklapolitan players were on from 6-6:30pm. Now this stuff was better than ever news programs. Ollie was my favorite,but there was always Bulah the Witch's marvelous hair!
Remember Ollie was always stealing Kukla's red ball nose![:o)] |
05-30-2009
( Reply#: 3150 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by svea3
All right I was swept back into the 50's and the world of Burr Tillstrom. He and his kuklapolitan players were on from 6-6:30pm. Now this stuff was better than ever news programs. Ollie was my favorite,but there was always Bulah the Witch's marvelous hair!
Remember Ollie was always stealing Kukla's red ball nose![:o)]
I think this post was supposed to go on the other thread? No biggie.
Oh, wow, I had forgotten all about Beulah the Witch! Thanks for reminding me.
Tom |
05-31-2009
( Reply#: 3152 ) |
seejay2 |
Another piece of Hessville, one that has been there for more than 50 years, has closed on Friday. This was St. Catherine of Sienna school. It is a part of my life as my class was the first to graduate out of there in '63. It is being blamed on declining enrollment (this is true) and "difficult financial times", both true. But why? Like several other schools and churches (St. John Cantius comes to mind) that have closed, they depended on tuition to survive. As time went along, the givers (those who fronted the tuition) were out numbered by the takers (those who paid nothing).
Now they can go to a 'free' government school that teaches them how to believe, rather than one that taught how to think.
We moved my mother out of Hessville on Thursday. This, sadly, puts the place where I grew up behind me...Cj |
05-31-2009
( Reply#: 3153 ) |
S C Jones |
CJ:
You are suffering a lot of loss at one time. Sadly, as you say, the times have changed and the losses just keep coming.
On May 28 my Hessville next door neighbor who was as much a mother to me as I ever had died at the age of 91. Her name was Shirley Aumiller and she shared her family with me and my brothers. A woman who was all heart.
All we can do is mourn the losses in our lives, allow the sadness of happy memories that we will not be able to replace, and continue to make new memories as we live in the moment.
Thank you for expressing your loss of school and "home". |
05-31-2009
( Reply#: 3155 ) |
Tom J |
Sorry, CJ. I know that place had to have meant a lot to you.
My old elementary school, Wallace, was torn down, and a new school was built. I would love to see the old building and the "portable."
My Jr. High, Washington, is long gone.
Hammond High is probably not long for this world, either.
Let's go back and re-live our childhoods! I would do it in a heartbeat, and I would not change a THING!
Tom |
05-31-2009
( Reply#: 3156 ) |
linbu |
Shirley Aumiller. Now that name rings a bell. Where did she live? |
05-31-2009
( Reply#: 3158 ) |
seejay2 |
I saw that in the paper about Shirley, but I remember a Rich Aumiller from somewhere....Cj |
05-31-2009
( Reply#: 3159 ) |
S C Jones |
Shirley had three children Marvin, Richard and Shirley Jean. Jean was the only one to graduate from Morton. They lived in the Grand Park community of Hessville--off 173rd over the Nickel Plate RR tracks and before Grand Avenue. Shirley's sister married a Hess.
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05-31-2009
( Reply#: 3160 ) |
linbu |
I remember a Rich Aumiller too. For some reason, I'm connecting this name with the Brakely family. Maybe one of them married one of their 9 kids? |
05-31-2009
( Reply#: 3161 ) |
wvcogs |
S C - According to the Hammond city directory I have, it's in the 7200 block of Maryland. Does that sound right? Also, we had a Shirley Ann Hess in our Morton class of 1960.
Ken... |
05-31-2009
( Reply#: 3162 ) |
S C Jones |
Yes, Ken, that is the block they and I lived on. I don't know the Shirley Ann Hess, but she may have been a niece of Shirley Aumiller.
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Originally posted by wvcogs
S C - According to the Hammond city directory I have, it's in the 7200 block of Maryland. Does that sound right? Also, we had a Shirley Ann Hess in our Morton class of 1960.
Ken...
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
05-31-2009
( Reply#: 3163 ) |
S C Jones |
No, but Mr. Aumiller had several brothers who lived in the area, so Rich may be a relative, but not one of the immediate family who lived in my neighborhood.
quote:
Originally posted by linbu
I remember a Rich Aumiller too. For some reason, I'm connecting this name with the Brakely family. Maybe one of them married one of their 9 kids?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
06-07-2009
( Reply#: 3171 ) |
svea3 |
I remember a Richard Aumiller and the Hess also. Good one [:I]KO |
06-08-2009
( Reply#: 3173 ) |
zonie |
This site is very cool. I lived on the corner of 165th and Colorado for 18 years. I graduated from Morton in 1975 but my brother would have been in the class of '63 if he hadn't joined the army. My grandma lived with us, worked at Goldblatt's and was a founder of the Baptist church that was across the street from Shep's house. What I remember most about Warren G Harding (I went k-5) was when I was in Kindergarten (Mrs. Wild) our class room was in the old building that was still being used by the high school and whenever the fire alarm would ring the high school kids would come streaming through our room (we were in the big room farthest west with a door to the outside). They would pick us up and carry us outside to wait for the all clear. I think some of my classmates actually set off the alarm once or twice to get the free ride. Thanks for jogging all the great memories. |
06-08-2009
( Reply#: 3174 ) |
Tom J |
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Originally posted by zonie
This site is very cool. I lived on the corner of 165th and Colorado for 18 years. I graduated from Morton in 1975 but my brother would have been in the class of '63 if he hadn't joined the army. My grandma lived with us, worked at Goldblatt's and was a founder of the Baptist church that was across the street from Shep's house. What I remember most about Warren G Harding (I went k-5) was when I was in Kindergarten (Mrs. Wild) our class room was in the old building that was still being used by the high school and whenever the fire alarm would ring the high school kids would come streaming through our room (we were in the big room farthest west with a door to the outside). They would pick us up and carry us outside to wait for the all clear. I think some of my classmates actually set off the alarm once or twice to get the free ride. Thanks for jogging all the great memories.
Welcome, Pamela! Make yourself at home and join in the discussions!
The more people we have sharing their cherished memories, the more fun we have around here. One person's posting of a memory of a person, a place, or an event almost always jogs the memories of other folks, and we often end up with some really cool discussions.
Tom |
06-08-2009
( Reply#: 3175 ) |
S C Jones |
Pam,
Welcome, and any memories you can add to our site, we will be happy to hop in with our own that arise from your posting.
I had an uncle and aunt who lived on Colorado, about a half block from 165th--Both have since died and their children have all moved out of the area--which is true of many of us on this site.
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06-08-2009
( Reply#: 3178 ) |
Joel357 |
Since the topic has reverted to Hessville, does anyone remember the Dietrich family? Dean, the father and a Hammond cop, June the mother and graduated from Hammond Hiigh in 1942 and also worked at the Orchard Park grade school. Gary, Sue and Ron. They lived close to Carney's and their house was off of GRand. They donated some land to the Lutheran church. They were good friends of my parents and we used to go camping together during the early to late 1960's
Joel Miner |
06-11-2009
( Reply#: 3183 ) |
svea3 |
[8)]Did they own a Ice Cream store on Hohman? I remember my mother taking me to Dietrich's on the way home to Hessville from downtown Hammond. My mom used to say the they had the BEST chocolate in the entire world. I remember that ice cream taste to this day. It is the standard which I still use. They were they were just an old family of Hammond |
06-11-2009
( Reply#: 3185 ) |
Joel357 |
No they didn't, completely different family than the Dietrichs'who owned the ice cream store. Dean was a Hammond cop from the mid to late 1940's to around 1968. He then worked for the federal government.
Joel |
07-08-2009
( Reply#: 3243 ) |
Jim |
I was doing more "Google" work on Lost Park and found this article posted at nwitimes.com. Sorry if it has been posted before, but this archive is getting big. Links have a tendency to be broken quite easily so here is the entire article. Enjoy.
Hessville is suspended in time
Guest Commentary by Wayne Machuca
Sunday, June 30, 2002
Most people have never heard of Hessville. If Hammond were an "L," Hessville would be a neighborhood in the bottom right portion. But, most people have never heard of Hammond, either. In fact, when most people ask you where you are from, you are most likely to say "Chicago," of which most people do know, or "near Gary, Indiana," which will cause most people to sing a stanza from the old Robert Preston movie "The Music Man."
Hessville, where I grew up, was and continues to be a town suspended in time.
Walk down Kennedy Avenue, and the only way you can tell which decade it is by the cars on the road, which rust out every five years because of the salt spread on the streets each winter. The neighborhoods have narrow, tree-lined streets named after other places or people long forgotten, with houses covered with brick or aluminum siding, or both. The homes are typically white in order to reflect the blast from a nuclear bomb -- or so they say.
My little street was named Parkway because it leads to a small, obscure playground that was called "Lost Park" because it was so difficult to find. Its proper name was "Gibson Park," even though Gibson Street was actually a few blocks away. Perhaps that is why the park is "Lost."
If there were one word to describe Hessville, that word would be "consistency." In Hessville in the 1960s, everybody worked in the steel mills. Everybody was a Democrat. Everybody went to church. Everybody's grandparents came from someplace else. Everybody's mom stayed home. Everybody was a Cubs fan. Everybody spoke in sentences that had prepositions at the end of, and nobody ever, ever got a divorce. The world was the mills to the north, U.S. 30 to the south, and the occasional Sunday afternoon trip to Grandma's house in East Chicago for chicken and to sit quietly while the adults spoke Polish.
It was during the summers that we would go to Lost Park and play Indian Ball -- a sort of "baseball without bases" that you play when you can't get enough guys and have to "imagine" base runners -- that I began to notice that many of the homes had peculiar little flags in their windows. Small and rectangular, these red bordered, white flags had a small blue star in the center. Sometimes there would be two blue stars. Sometimes there would be three. Often, my friends would speak about their older brothers who were off someplace called Vietnam.
As kids, we would often imagine our own gallantry and heroics battling some unknown foe in a place so far away. We had no idea who the Viet Cong were or why they were so bad. For us, the images of war were as simple as the old black-and-white war movies we saw on TV. The good guys were good because they were good, and the bad guys were bad because they were bad. We did not understand the politics or the protests, much less the multisyllabic mysteries of the "military industrial complex." We did not understand why the college students were so upset. If they, too, were Democrats, then why were they fighting in Chicago? My father would get angry and say things to the TV like, "It doesn't matter what you think. Those are our boys over there!"
Soon, many of the small blue stars in those small peculiar flags began to change into small golden stars. And that was when my world changed.
One day, my parents took me to my uncle's house to visit with my cousin Tommy.
What was left of him was shipped home from Vietnam to heal. In our family, he was a hero. He was machine-gunned in some forgotten battle by those same dreaded Viet Cong and yet survived. I remember sitting by him as he lay on the sofa, watching TV and laughing. My other cousins were laughing. I was laughing. But it was a different kind of laughter. It was a melancholic laughter with the knowledge that we almost lost Tommy. And for me, it was the realization that there were other Tommys for whom there would be no more laughter. At that moment, the men and women in Vietnam became real people to me.
NPR asks, "What is my connection with history?" My answer is that whenever I think of home, whenever I think of my childhood, whenever I sing the national anthem at the beginning of a baseball game, I think about the men and women who are sent off who knows where, who knows why, to do who knows what -- and do. And why do they do this? Is it so I could continue to play Indian Ball in a park called "Lost"? Could it be as simple as that? Well, probably not. But whether they are in Asia or Eastern Europe or East Africa or Iran or Afghanistan, the fighting men and women are Americans. They are our sons and our daughters. And they are our history.
Wayne Machuca of Visalia, Calif., a 1978 graduate of Hammond's Morton High School, is now teaching at College of the Sequoias in California.
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07-19-2009
( Reply#: 3384 ) |
Nannerz |
I, too, lived on Parkway North and Delaware, on the corner, right across from Lost Park. I spent so much time there. In the summer, it was with the Parks and Recreation Department, playing games and making crafts, and in the winter, it was iceskating when they flooded the park. I have wonderful memories of Hessville. It was a different world then and everything seemed so "safe." Those times are gone forever, I am afraid. They only exist now in our memories.
Nannerz |
07-19-2009
( Reply#: 3386 ) |
Pro2am |
Nannerz,
Although we didn't move to Hessvile (from Woodmar) until ealy 1962, I recall that it was still a very nice, "safe" town. Our park was Hessville Park since we lived just south of it on California Ave. I spent my teen and young-adult years there and have great memories of those times. I moved away in 1974 (back to Woodmar) but returned in 1977 (to the Georgetown Homes complex at Cline and 169th). Lived there until 1985. Again, another great Hessville era for me. Unfortunately it wasn't much longer that things started going downhill in the town. To this day I still miss it.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
quote:
Originally posted by Nannerz
I, too, lived on Parkway North and Delaware, on the corner, right across from Lost Park. I spent so much time there. In the summer, it was with the Parks and Recreation Department, playing games and making crafts, and in the winter, it was iceskating when they flooded the park. I have wonderful memories of Hessville. It was a different world then and everything seemed so "safe." Those times are gone forever, I am afraid. They only exist now in our memories.
Nannerz
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07-20-2009
( Reply#: 3395 ) |
cindyhr |
I'm a new comer!!! First time I've ever done this so bare with me please. I was born and raised on the 2700 block of 162nd Place. I went to Harding School from 1952 until 1961 and went to Hammond Technical Vocational High School. I moved away to Calumet Township in 1965. My sister still owns that house.
I remember walking to Harding down Kennedy Ave. to Cleveland street and on to school as a child.
I remember ice skating at the little pond at Lost Park and that was where I learned to do flips on the bars around the park. Got many bumps and bruises. Sometimes we would come that way coming home from school and then stop at the Nook Restaurant for a cherry coke.
My sister worked for the IHB railroad until she retired a few years ago. She graduated from Morton HS in 1961.
My Mom worked at a cleaners that was where Lindy's Hardware store is now. I would be out in the yard or playing with a neighbor, and my Mom would come home from work and tell me what I had done that day. It was several years before I knew how she would know what I was doing. Finally she told me that she could see us playing from the plate glass window across the street from the cleaners.
I also have many memories of Hessville Park and the swimming pool. And the carnival every year at St. Catherines Church yard.
I really enjoy reading the comments. Hope they continue. Maybe I'll get in touch with someone I might have known.
Cindy |
07-20-2009
( Reply#: 3398 ) |
duane |
Welcome to the forum, Cindy.
As you will notice, we're a pretty informal group and the references on this Hammond, IN thread are more about our youth and childhood than they are about Shep. But then he wrote about his youth in Hessville and "da Region" so its all good.
We also tend to wander a bit within a thread, so don't let that worry you. Someone will say something that triggers a thought in someone else...and off we go.
It sounds like you have some real history at Warren G. Harding school and the Hessville area. We'd love to hear your stories.
I hope you enjoy this site. We are all friends here, whether we know each other or not. And so, welcome, friend! |
07-20-2009
( Reply#: 3400 ) |
Tom J |
Yeah, Cindy, what Duane said. [:)]
Welcome!
I'm not from the Hessville section of Hammond, but I still enjoy reading the posts as people reminisce about the good old days there. It sounds like life in Hessville was very similar to life in my part of Hammond, over on Woodward Avenue off of 165th Street.
Tom |
07-20-2009
( Reply#: 3401 ) |
cindyhr |
My Dad was from Greece. He came to the US in 1911. He worked at Inland Steel til he retired in 1963. He always bought a new Ford every 2 years from Rimes Motors in Indiana Harbor, why I don't know cause we seldom went anywhere. He hardly ever let my Mom drive it cause he was afraid she'd scratch his new car.
I remember every Sat. going with him to fill the car up with gas at the Phillips 66 station on Kennedy Ave. across the street from the Dairy Queen. I always got to get me an ice cream cone.
I really loved our neighbor hood back then. We had lots of kids on our block and had a wonderful time. Wish I could find some of those kids today. Maybe I'll get lucky.
Thanks for accepting me into the crowd.
Cindy |
07-22-2009
( Reply#: 3413 ) |
duane |
Cindy, since you are of Greek Ancestry and part of your family (brother in law) was in the Restaraunt business (if Hot Dog John's qualifies as a restaraunt??), maybe you know this family that was also in the business.
Did you know the Kourus family from East Chicaago? Gus Kourus owned Indiana Restaraunt (at the intersection of Chicago Ave and Indy Blvd...4 corners of E.Chicago) and later also owned Woodmar Restaraunt, and another restaraunt that opened up at the Woodmar mall in its later years. He also owned the Embers Restaraunt in Schererville on HWY 41, near where Lindal Cedar homes used to be. |
07-23-2009
( Reply#: 3418 ) |
seejay2 |
Cindy,
Are you familiar with the houses behind (west) of that Dairy Queen? Do the names of Karol, Marilyn, Henry and Dolly ring a bell with you?.......Cj |
07-24-2009
( Reply#: 3427 ) |
cindyhr |
Hi Duane,
No that name is not familiar to me, but I bet my Dad knew them. His nephew, Harry Diamianos, had a little store and coffee house on a side street off of Chicago Ave. in Indiana Harbor. I used to go there with my Dad sometimes and he had the best barbacued lamb in the world!!!! At least I thought so. My Dad used to sit around with all the Greek men, drink coffee or wine, play cards and just shoot the bull. We never went to restaurants to eat out, that wasn't his thing.
I spent a month with my sister last year and we went out to eat several times, but my favorite place was Petro's on 165th and Indianapolis Blvd. on Thurs. they had lamb shank and spaghetti. Yummmm
I've been away for so long it's about like being in another world when I go there.
But I certainly have many many wonderful memories of my childhood.
Cindy |
07-24-2009
( Reply#: 3428 ) |
cindyhr |
Hi CJ,
Those names don't ring a bell. Do you know what school they might have gone too? I wasn't allowed to wander far away from my neighborhood, except to walk to the 5 & 10 store, or the dairy queen, or the old A&P store. We also walked to Hessville Park to swim in the pool in the summer time.
If they went to Harding School and any of them were my age I might recall them. Do you know?
Cindy |
07-24-2009
( Reply#: 3429 ) |
wvcogs |
Cindy,
My wife, Judy Thomas, lived in the 2700 block of Kenwood, right across the street from the Balogs, Joanne and Marilyn. All of them went to Harding. Judy graduated from Morton in 1959 and Joanne in 1962. I believe Marilyn left school before graduating in 1960. Did you know any of them?
Ken |
07-25-2009
( Reply#: 3430 ) |
seejay2 |
The girls I'm talking about all walked in '67 from Morton, with the exception of Dolly, who was a little younger. Henry, brother to Karol, walked in '64. They lived on Marshall, almost right behind DQ, just a few houses north on the west side of the street. Marilyn lived on Alexander, one block south.
There was a Cindy Foster, who was a little younger, that came around from time to time. She had black hair and could have passed for Greek. This is why I asked......CJ |
07-25-2009
( Reply#: 3433 ) |
cindyhr |
Ken,
I definitely remember the name Balog. My sister was 5 years older than me so I'm sure she probably knows all of them. Her name was Patricia Parker. She was a foster sister. My maiden name was Keriacos. My Dad's name was Pete.
I'm going to ask my sister if she remembers them.
Cindy |
07-25-2009
( Reply#: 3434 ) |
cindyhr |
CJ
My maiden name was Keriacos. I am sure my sister probably knew them cause she graduated from Morton in 61. I was younger by 5 years so I don't remember them. They called me Cynthia back then. Didn't change to Cindy till high school.
Cindy |
07-30-2009
( Reply#: 3445 ) |
govenor |
I just discovered this cyber Hessville-Hammond oasis. I grew up in Hessville, Alexander and 170th Street, right across from the old Morton. I attended Morton from K through 12. Married my high school sweetheart (she was from Harding) and divorced my high school sweetheart (well she divorced me). Left the area in 1979 and moved to Arizona I don't know what conversations and sharing of memories has transpired but I wanted to "wade in". |
07-30-2009
( Reply#: 3446 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by govenor
I just discovered this cyber Hessville-Hammond oasis. I grew up in Hessville, Alexander and 170th Street, right across from the old Morton. I attended Morton from K through 12. Married my high school sweetheart (she was from Harding) and divorced my high school sweetheart (well she divorced me). Left the area in 1979 and moved to Arizona I don't know what conversations and sharing of memories has transpired but I wanted to "wade in".
Well, wade away, Gov! Welcome! You ought to fit right in around here with all these Hessville brats. :)
I'm from the "other" part of Hammond, but I still enjoy reading all the posts as the Hessville folks reminisce. I can semi-relate to the things they talk about.
Tom |
07-30-2009
( Reply#: 3447 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by govenor
I just discovered this cyber Hessville-Hammond oasis. I grew up in Hessville, Alexander and 170th Street, right across from the old Morton. I attended Morton from K through 12. Married my high school sweetheart (she was from Harding) and divorced my high school sweetheart (well she divorced me). Left the area in 1979 and moved to Arizona I don't know what conversations and sharing of memories has transpired but I wanted to "wade in".
Welcome aboard gov. It's great to have another Governor. We've been talking about the old home town for a couple years now. Go back and take a look at some of the other threads. There are even some pictures of how it looked in the "good old days." When did you graduate from good ole Oliver P.?
Ken
MHS 1960 |
07-31-2009
( Reply#: 3448 ) |
govenor |
I graduated from OP Morton in 1967 my sister was class of 1963. I remember Hessville when there was the PinBowl bowling alley, Feifield Drug Store, Janc's Drugs, Ace Theater (before it became the Kennedy, Sip and Bite restaurant (actually greasy spoon dinner) and countless corner bars like every other town in the "Region". I was back last October for a tri-class class reunion and it is true that one can never go back home, because home has changed so much.
I have to admit this is the first time I have done this type of interaction on the net and I am stumbling around trying to reply, how to post and where, with quotes or without, so excuse me if I screw up a little |
07-31-2009
( Reply#: 3449 ) |
seejay2 |
Don't worry about a thing, Steve. I too am a '67 grad and I do remember you. I don't remember having any classes with you, but I remember you. Any questions you have about posting pix or anything, the guys here jump at the chance to help you out.
Best forum I've ever seen........Cj |
07-31-2009
( Reply#: 3450 ) |
wvcogs |
Steve - I second what seejay said. Just ask and we are here to help. Here's a present to you for coming aboard. Does this place look familiar?
Ken
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Morton/MortonCampus1.jpg"]Morton High School[/url] |
07-31-2009
( Reply#: 3451 ) |
govenor |
Thanks for remembering me...I think. Tell me something about you to jog my feeble mind, so I can remember. quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Don't worry about a thing, Steve. I too am a '67 grad and I do remember you. I don't remember having any classes with you, but I remember you. Any questions you have about posting pix or anything, the guys here jump at the chance to help you out.
Best forum I've ever seen........Cj
|
07-31-2009
( Reply#: 3452 ) |
govenor |
Heck, I can almost see my house in that picture. That was before they removed the houses just behind the elementary school and made it a teacher's parking lot. You can even make out the lilac bushes next to the school on the southside,behind the portable buildings.
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Morton/MortonCampus1.jpg"]Morton High School[/url]
[/quote] |
07-31-2009
( Reply#: 3453 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by govenor
Heck, I can almost see my house in that picture. That was before they removed the houses just behind the elementary school and made it a teacher's parking lot. You can even make out the lilac bushes next to the school on the southside, behind the portable buildings.
That picture was taken in 1957, while they were still working on the elementary building or right after it was finished.
Ken... |
07-31-2009
( Reply#: 3454 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Wow, Ken, thanks for the terrific new photo! (New to me, anyways.)
And welcome, Steve.
Bill
Morton Class of '66
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
07-31-2009
( Reply#: 3455 ) |
S C Jones |
Governor, welcome!
Did you know Irene Berger who lived across the street from Morton---she graduated in 1958, I think. So, she was older than you, but must have been a neighbor.
And, Ken, that is a new-to-our-site picture and a great addition. Thanks.
quote:
Originally posted by govenor
I just discovered this cyber Hessville-Hammond oasis. I grew up in Hessville, Alexander and 170th Street, right across from the old Morton. I attended Morton from K through 12. Married my high school sweetheart (she was from Harding) and divorced my high school sweetheart (well she divorced me). Left the area in 1979 and moved to Arizona I don't know what conversations and sharing of memories has transpired but I wanted to "wade in".
|
07-31-2009
( Reply#: 3456 ) |
wvcogs |
If you would like to see a brief history of that building I put together for the class of 1960 reunion web site, take a look:
[url="http://pages.suddenlink.net/morton1960/building.htm"]Building History[/url]
Ken... |
08-01-2009
( Reply#: 3457 ) |
Tom J |
That sure was a beautiful building! I can't believe that it would not have been able to stay in service for many more years. Heck, aren't public buildings supposed to last a lot longer than 55 years? They should be good for 100 years.
Tom |
08-01-2009
( Reply#: 3458 ) |
cindyhr |
Gosh I feel left out. Just because I didn't graduate from Morton, don't leave me out of all this. Surely there's something besides school that we could have in common. Did anyone swim at Hessville pool during the summer? Or maybe take swimming lessons at the Civic Center, or something. Or even better, did anybody graduate from Hammond Tech?
Cindy |
08-01-2009
( Reply#: 3459 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by cindyhr
Gosh I feel left out. Just because I didn't graduate from Morton, don't leave me out of all this. Surely there's something besides school that we could have in common. Did anyone swim at Hessville pool during the summer? Or maybe take swimming lessons at the Civic Center, or something. Or even better, did anybody graduate from Hammond Tech?
Cindy
Cindy, please don't think anyone is leaving you out of anything. I didn't go to Morton either (Hammond High Class of '67), and I didn't grow up in Hessville. I still enjoy reading the posts of all of these Hessville and Morton folks, because they were part of Hammond.
There are lots of threads where things are discussed that are not directly Hessville/Morton related. Check those threads out, and post your comments. I even started a thread asking if anyone had any non-Hessville memories to share.
It's just that Shep was from Hessville, and most of the Sheptalk members are from Hessville. We just need to recruit new folks from other parts of Hammond to join us.
Tom
P.S. Tom W went to Tech. |
08-01-2009
( Reply#: 3460 ) |
duane |
And don't forget those of us from East Chicago!! |
08-02-2009
( Reply#: 3461 ) |
seejay2 |
Hey Steve,
There really isn't much to say except I walked from Morton in '67, but I don't remember ever making contact with you. I hung out with Jim Houghton during school and we even both worked at LTV (Youngstown Sheet & Tube). Here is a pic of Jim and I (I'm on the left) during a Christmas leave from Nam in '69:
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/CJJIM.jpg[/IMG]
Cindy! Don't want you to feel left out, so here's one of Hessville Pool:
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Hessswimpool1958.jpg[/IMG]
...and this is probably my favorite pic of Hessville, at least as I want to remember it:
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/HessvilleBusinessDistrict-Marthaand.jpg[/IMG]
I can't forget Tom J, so here is downtown Hammond (even though he has seen this one before:
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/50_Ham.jpg[/IMG]
Sorry Duane, the only pix I have of EC is this old firehouse one that used to be on Kennedy Ave...
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Firestation.jpg[/IMG]
............Cj |
08-02-2009
( Reply#: 3462 ) |
duane |
Thanks, CJ....you should be a politician, you had something in that post for almost everyone!!! |
08-02-2009
( Reply#: 3463 ) |
cindyhr |
Those are some great pictures. I wish I had some of those and probably do in amongst my Mom's and Dad's pictures. Gonna have to give them a look through.
Those of downtown Hammond, Hessville and the pool really bring back lots of memories. I broke my toe in the bottom of that swimming pool and had to walk all the way home on it. I'll never forget that. Hurt like Heck!!!!
Downtown Hammond brings back many memories. My favorite place to go was Goldblatt's and Woolworth's. Woolworth's had the best mashed potatoes and gravy that you ever put in your mouth.
Do any of you remember, I think the name of it was Paul's Drive-in. On the corner of Calumet Ave. and 165th. I carhopped there for a little while back in the early 60's.
Did you know Clifford or CJ Woodard from Youngstown Steel? That was my uncle and cousin. My uncle retired from there.
Talk to you later.
Cindy |
08-02-2009
( Reply#: 3464 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by cindyhr
Those are some great pictures. I wish I had some of those and probably do in amongst my Mom's and Dad's pictures. Gonna have to give them a look through.
Those of downtown Hammond, Hessville and the pool really bring back lots of memories. I broke my toe in the bottom of that swimming pool and had to walk all the way home on it. I'll never forget that. Hurt like Heck!!!!
Downtown Hammond brings back many memories. My favorite place to go was Goldblatt's and Woolworth's. Woolworth's had the best mashed potatoes and gravy that you ever put in your mouth.
Do any of you remember, I think the name of it was Paul's Drive-in. On the corner of Calumet Ave. and 165th. I carhopped there for a little while back in the early 60's.
Did you know Clifford or CJ Woodard from Youngstown Steel? That was my uncle and cousin. My uncle retired from there.
Talk to you later.
Cindy
Cindy:
I remember Paul's Drive-In, but it was a little further south than you said. It might have been at the corner of 169th and Calumet, but I know it wasn't at the corner of 165th and Calumet, because I lived just a couple blocks from that intersection.
I LOVED Downtown Hammond. My favorite store was Minas's, but Dad worked there, so I was prejudiced, I guess.
Tom |
08-02-2009
( Reply#: 3465 ) |
seejay2 |
I remember Paul's alright! It was my first job and I only lasted 13 hours there.
I don't remember anyone by the name of Woodard....Cj |
08-02-2009
( Reply#: 3466 ) |
cindyhr |
Your right about 169th and Calumet. My mistake. I didn't work there to long either.
As for Minas, weren't they on the corner of Hohman and Sibley? Didn't they have escalators? I remember that for sure. When my Mom would be shopping I'd be going up and down on the escalator! How much fun that was! (ha ha)
Cindy |
08-03-2009
( Reply#: 3467 ) |
Jim R |
My recollections of Minus was they had people operated elevators. The operator used a handle to operate the elevator, stopping on each floor and calling out what departments were on that floor as they opened the doors.
Harding K thru 7
Morton 8 thru 12
Class of 1972 |
08-03-2009
( Reply#: 3468 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by cindyhr
Your right about 169th and Calumet. My mistake. I didn't work there to long either.
As for Minas, weren't they on the corner of Hohman and Sibley? Didn't they have escalators? I remember that for sure. When my Mom would be shopping I'd be going up and down on the escalator! How much fun that was! (ha ha)
Cindy
Cindy:
The Minas store was at 460 State Street, right where that HUGE new auditorium for First Baptist Church now sits. That auditorium occupies the space that was once the location of both the Minas store AND the outdoor parking lot behind the store.
There were no escalators at Minas's, but there was an elevator, as stated by Jim R.
I remember a very polite, extremely classy lady who operated that elevator for years and years, but I don't remember her name.
My dad was a Minas employee for 37 years. I worked there part time off and on during high school and college.
You might be thinking of the Penny's store at the corner of Sibley and Hohman. They were on the NE corner, across Sibley St. from Woolworth's, and they did have an escalator.
There is a thread here about Downtown Hammond, if you would care to check it out.
Tomster |
08-03-2009
( Reply#: 3469 ) |
cindyhr |
What store was across the side street from Woolworth's? Can't remember if that was Sibley or State? Anyway, that store was the one with the escalator. It's funny how when you are away for so long you can't remember names of streets or even names of some stores. All those pictures brought back so many memories.
Cindy
PS: Hope I'm not getting alzheimers!!!!! |
08-03-2009
( Reply#: 3470 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by cindyhr
What store was across the side street from Woolworth's? Can't remember if that was Sibley or State? Anyway, that store was the one with the escalator. It's funny how when you are away for so long you can't remember names of streets or even names of some stores. All those pictures brought back so many memories.
Cindy
PS: Hope I'm not getting alzheimers!!!!!
See my post just above yours. |
08-04-2009
( Reply#: 3473 ) |
govenor |
Not Bill Bucko the extemely intelligent guy that would intellectully challenge Dr. El Nagar (sp?) in physicis class...Thanks for the welcome.quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Wow, Ken, thanks for the terrific new photo! (New to me, anyways.)
And welcome, Steve.
Bill
Morton Class of '66
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
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08-04-2009
( Reply#: 3474 ) |
govenor |
Sorry I don't remember Irene Beger. Did she live on Marshall, across from the schoolquote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Governor, welcome!
Did you know Irene Berger who lived across the street from Morton---she graduated in 1958, I think. So, she was older than you, but must have been a neighbor.
And, Ken, that is a new-to-our-site picture and a great addition. Thanks.
quote:
Originally posted by govenor
I just discovered this cyber Hessville-Hammond oasis. I grew up in Hessville, Alexander and 170th Street, right across from the old Morton. I attended Morton from K through 12. Married my high school sweetheart (she was from Harding) and divorced my high school sweetheart (well she divorced me). Left the area in 1979 and moved to Arizona I don't know what conversations and sharing of memories has transpired but I wanted to "wade in".
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08-04-2009
( Reply#: 3475 ) |
govenor |
Yeah, we never really crossed paths but I do remember you after seeing the picture. Probably because of Jim Houghton. I knew Jim from playing summer baseball with/against Jim and would bump into him in and out of school. Thanks for the great pictures of Hessville, that is the way I remember it. quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Hey Steve,
There really isn't much to say except I walked from Morton in '67, but I don't remember ever making contact with you. I hung out with Jim Houghton during school and we even both worked at LTV (Youngstown Sheet & Tube). Here is a pic of Jim and I (I'm on the left) during a Christmas leave from Nam in '69:
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/CJJIM.jpg[/IMG]
Cindy! Don't want you to feel left out, so here's one of Hessville Pool:
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Hessswimpool1958.jpg[/IMG]
...and this is probably my favorite pic of Hessville, at least as I want to remember it:
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/HessvilleBusinessDistrict-Marthaand.jpg[/IMG]
I can't forget Tom J, so here is downtown Hammond (even though he has seen this one before:
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/50_Ham.jpg[/IMG]
Sorry Duane, the only pix I have of EC is this old firehouse one that used to be on Kennedy Ave...
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Firestation.jpg[/IMG]
............Cj
|
08-04-2009
( Reply#: 3476 ) |
tom w |
I think the store reffered to above with the escalator was Pennys. I remember when it opened, my mom was riding the escalator up and got her heel caught and broke her ankle. tom w |
08-04-2009
( Reply#: 3477 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by govenor
Not Bill Bucko the extemely intelligent guy that would intellectully challenge Dr. El Nagar (sp?) in physicis class...Thanks for the welcome.quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Wow, Ken, thanks for the terrific new photo! (New to me, anyways.)
And welcome, Steve.
Bill
Morton Class of '66
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
Yep, that's me. Guess I was what's called a geek, before the word was even invented. Don't remember challenging our physics teacher Dr. El-Naggar much, though. Biology was my favorite class. And you were the big, brawny football star--in the yearbook photos, you look twice as wide as me! Have you read any of Jean Shepherd's stories about his childhood on Cleveland Street? Really funny!! And I hope you're familiar with "A Christmas Story," too.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-05-2009
( Reply#: 3480 ) |
Ronbo221 |
I am new to the site. Love the pictures of the old Hessville & Hammond. Brings back found memories of my childhood. I went to Harding from 1955 until Jan 1964, as I was what they used to call a mid-termer. Starting at Morton in Jan 1964 and graduated from Morton in June 1968. I remember when the brick Harding had just the one wing that ran along Parish and then they built the addition that ran along 165 and the new gym at the east end of the building. One of my older sisters went to Morton when it was just a 2 year school and then she went to Hammond High for the last 2 years.
Lived in the area until 1987 when I moved to Reno, Nevada where I still live. Try to make it back to the area once or twice a year to see friends and family still in the area.
Look forward to seeing more pictures and hearing more stories of the area.
Ron
Harding 64
Morton 68 |
08-05-2009
( Reply#: 3481 ) |
S C Jones |
Yes, Irene lived on Marshall across from Morton--toward 171st and maybe on the corner--can't remember exactly.
[quote]Originally posted by govenor
Sorry I don't remember Irene Berger. Did she live on Marshall, across from the school[quote]Originally posted by S C Jones
Governor, welcome!
Did you know Irene Berger who lived across the street from Morton---she graduated in 1958, I think. So, she was older than you, but must have been a neighbor.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
08-07-2009
( Reply#: 3482 ) |
govenor |
I should remember her because she lived near Jim Gasaway and I hung around with him in elementary and junior high, but I am drawing a complete blank.quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Yes, Irene lived on Marshall across from Morton--toward 171st and maybe on the corner--can't remember exactly.
[quote]Originally posted by govenor
Sorry I don't remember Irene Berger. Did she live on Marshall, across from the school[quote]Originally posted by S C Jones
Governor, welcome!
Did you know Irene Berger who lived across the street from Morton---she graduated in 1958, I think. So, she was older than you, but must have been a neighbor.
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
|
08-07-2009
( Reply#: 3483 ) |
govenor |
Yeah, I guess you would have qualified as a geek if such a thing existed then, but to me you and Dennis Dawson were are top intellectuals. Hey, let's go easy on that "looking twice as wide" thing in the yearbook [:)]
I have not read Jean Shepherd but like everyone I have seen "A Christmas Story" countless times.quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
quote:
Originally posted by govenor
Not Bill Bucko the extemely intelligent guy that would intellectully challenge Dr. El Nagar (sp?) in physicis class...Thanks for the welcome.quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Wow, Ken, thanks for the terrific new photo! (New to me, anyways.)
And welcome, Steve.
Bill
Morton Class of '66
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
Yep, that's me. Guess I was what's called a geek, before the word was even invented. Don't remember challenging our physics teacher Dr. El-Naggar much, though. Biology was my favorite class. And you were the big, brawny football star--in the yearbook photos, you look twice as wide as me! Have you read any of Jean Shepherd's stories about his childhood on Cleveland Street? Really funny!! And I hope you're familiar with "A Christmas Story," too.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
|
08-08-2009
( Reply#: 3484 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by govenor
Yeah, I guess you would have qualified as a geek if such a thing existed then, but to me you and Dennis Dawson were are top intellectuals. Hey, let's go easy on that "looking twice as wide" thing in the yearbook [:)]
I have not read Jean Shepherd but like everyone I have seen "A Christmas Story" countless times
I meant it respectfully, in a tough, athletic sense--same as I'd speak of Stosh, the football tackle, Josephine Cowsnofski's brother (in Jean Shepherd's book Wanda Hickey's Night of Golden Memories)! I know enough not to bad-mouth anyone who can tie me into a knot! According to my '66 Top Hat, you were on the wrestling team, too!
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-08-2009
( Reply#: 3485 ) |
dilligaf717 |
Do any of you Morotn grads remember a girl who graduated in the 68-69 time frame named Carol Sharp or Sharpe? I worked with her at Jonsons Blue Top in Highland and have always wondered what became of her.
Jim
Still runnin against the wind. |
08-08-2009
( Reply#: 3486 ) |
dilligaf717 |
It's early here in Beautiful South Texas, sorry for the bad spelling.
Jim
Still runnin against the wind. |
08-11-2009
( Reply#: 3504 ) |
govenor |
Hey Bill, I was just "bustin' your chops" no offense taken. By the way, I was on the wrestling team in name only. It was something to do but I really stunk up the mat (not literally). You know how former ball players become legends in their own minds the older they get...not in this case.
Steve
I meant it respectfully, in a tough, athletic sense--same as I'd speak of Stosh, the football tackle, Josephine Cowsnofski's brother (in Jean Shepherd's book Wanda Hickey's Night of Golden Memories)! I know enough not to bad-mouth anyone who can tie me into a knot! According to my '66 Top Hat, you were on the wrestling team, too!
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
[/quote] |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3505 ) |
BobK |
Born, raised and lived in Hammond for 29 years, Highland for 19 years and now north of Valparaiso for 19 years.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3506 ) |
S C Jones |
Hey, BobK! Do you have a sister named Pat? quote:
Originally posted by BobK
Born, raised and lived in Hammond for 29 years, Highland for 19 years and now north of Valparaiso for 19 years.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img]
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08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3507 ) |
BobK |
No sisters but two younger brothers.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3508 ) |
Tom J |
Bob:
It's great having you with us. Have you had a chance to get caught up with the posting on all the threads yet? I hope you will feel free to "revive" any old discussions that you find, if you have something to contribute. Also, start some new threads, if you have something that you think we could all enjoy discussing.
I wish you had not moved from your home on Calumet at such a young age. We could have had some great times discussing the old neighborhood, but it is definitely hard to remember things from when you were under six years old.
There still might be some things we could talk about, since you worked at Burger's when it was on Calumet. That would have brought you back to your old neighborhood when you were older.
Tom |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3509 ) |
tom w |
Bob;
welcome. I have 2 questions. What years did you go to Irving? Who was your homeroom teacher? Thank you. Tom W |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3510 ) |
BobK |
I'm thinking I went to Irving 55-57, 7th, 8th & 9th. I was a mid-termer. I don't remember the home room teacher. I remember Mrs Steiner? for math who also taught my Dad. She couldn't touch anything without Kleenix. I had Bernie Krueger for shop. The Principal was Mr Lockey? There was a large blond teacher of what I don't remember but I remember the paddle she swung. Mr Thompson was the coach? I used to eat lunch at the Cottage Restaurant on Calumet and of course had to visit the Igloo once in a while. My uncle owned Calumet Sheet Metal Works and the Norge Village on the corner of Hoffman and Pine and my Dad was the shop foreman.
I and a friend almost didn't get to graduate. Graduation was in the afternoon and at lunch we dropped a lit firecracker through the mail slot of the library. Someone must have told on us. Mr Lockey probably thought it was best to get us out and forget about us but he did give us a stern lecture.
I think a couple of the guys in my class were of drinking age.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3511 ) |
BobK |
Is there a way to go back and edit for spelling?
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3512 ) |
BobK |
I don't remember the Algebra teachers name. I had him for one semester before going to High. He didn't teach me anything and when I asked a question he would only say look in the book. When I got to High I was already signed up for Algebra II and was at a total loss and had to drop it.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3514 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by BobK
Is there a way to go back and edit for spelling?
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img]
One of the icons at the top is for editing. It's a little pencil.
Tom |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3516 ) |
BobK |
Duh! Thanks Tom.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3520 ) |
tom w |
Bob;
You must have been with me those years! Mr Lockey used to chase me home and I'd lock myself in the garage. Mr. Byers taught math too and had eighth assembly. My homeroom was Ms. Gligor. I left Tech in 58 by invitation of Mr. Dale View (sp?) He was boys co-ordinator. I was then a junior and couldn't get back in a Hammond school so I went to East Chicago and took the GED and enrolled at Purdue. That put me a year ahead of everyone else. I lived behind the Igloo on Oak Street. Fred Sasse was on this site but he disappeared a while ago. Is there still a Fetlas by Valpo? Tom W |
08-12-2009
( Reply#: 3522 ) |
BobK |
Fetla's was bought by someone else and they cleaned it up which took the fun out of it and they closed a couple of years ago.
I don't remember a Ms. Gligor.
I liked Mr Lockey even though I got quite a few swats from him. I think Ms. Steiner was the only one I didn't get swats from.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
08-13-2009
( Reply#: 3526 ) |
svea3 |
Hi all
I was Jim Houghton's neighbor. I remember his mother especially.
Linda |
08-14-2009
( Reply#: 3545 ) |
Carol |
Hey all you Hammonites! I'm brand new and this is my first posting. I grew up in North Hammond, went to Irving Elementary til 3rd grade, moved to Woodmar and finished at Porter. I Went to Jr. High and Sr. High at Morton, grad of 1960. My dad must have been cut from the same cloth as Ralphie's right down to the cussing of clunkers. My teen years were spent in Hessville in my old red and white Chevy with the outside white viser (real classy!) with friends chipping in 25 cents at the end of the night to replenish the gasoline. I'm living in Sugar Land, Texas, at least for now, after spending most of my adult life in Highland, IN. Yes, SW Houston is HOT & HUMID!! But, it beats the heck out of 30 degrees below zero windchills. I remember huge snowfalls & ice storms in NW Indiana that don't seem to happen as much nowadays. |
08-14-2009
( Reply#: 3547 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello again Carol,
Welcome, it's good to see you on this site. Stick around. There have been some interesting discussions. Also, check some of the other Hammond threads while you're here.
Ken O. |
08-14-2009
( Reply#: 3548 ) |
Carol |
Good to hear from you again, Ken. Thanks for the welcome. I'm thrilled to be here. But, at my age, it doesn't take much to thrill me anymore. Does anyone but me remember Rovai's on Calumet? Used to go to Hammond on #2 bus and always ended up there. That was before I was old enough to drive - several million years ago. |
08-14-2009
( Reply#: 3567 ) |
Paddy |
Welcome Carol:
I am familiar with Irving School. I attended Kindergarten there but went to All Saints in downtown Hammond for grade school, then Bishop Noll for high school, graduating in '59. Your mention of chipping in two bits for gas reminded me that a quarter bought a gallon of gas back then.
I also know where Sugar Land is. I did some technical consulting for the Sugar Land Fire Department in the late '90's.
Paddy
quote:
Originally posted by Carol
Hey all you Hammonites! I'm brand new and this is my first posting. I grew up in North Hammond, went to Irving Elementary til 3rd grade, moved to Woodmar and finished at Porter. I Went to Jr. High and Sr. High at Morton, grad of 1960. My dad must have been cut from the same cloth as Ralphie's right down to the cussing of clunkers. My teen years were spent in Hessville in my old red and white Chevy with the outside white viser (real classy!) with friends chipping in 25 cents at the end of the night to replenish the gasoline. I'm living in Sugar Land, Texas, at least for now, after spending most of my adult life in Highland, IN. Yes, SW Houston is HOT & HUMID!! But, it beats the heck out of 30 degrees below zero windchills. I remember huge snowfalls & ice storms in NW Indiana that don't seem to happen as much nowadays.
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08-14-2009
( Reply#: 3568 ) |
BobK |
Paddy, did you know Cathy Yonkers? I think she may have been class of 61. She lived on Columbia just north of 149th. She went to All Saints and then Bishop Noll.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
08-15-2009
( Reply#: 3577 ) |
Carol |
Hey, Paddy. Alot of people come to the Houston area and Sugar Land but it's not a place they choose to live out their lives. Alot of
money down here and it's costly to live if you don't make big bucks. Not only was a gallon a quarter, but an attendant would run out, fill your tank with gas AND wash your windows. And actually thank you. Those were the days, my friend. Sounds like a song! |
08-17-2009
( Reply#: 3609 ) |
duane |
quote:
Originally posted by Carol
Good to hear from you again, Ken. Thanks for the welcome. I'm thrilled to be here. But, at my age, it doesn't take much to thrill me anymore. Does anyone but me remember Rovai's on Calumet? Used to go to Hammond on #2 bus and always ended up there. That was before I was old enough to drive - several million years ago.
Carol, I know that Rovai's has been mentioned several times....don't remember which post it was. I went to school with Karen Rovai...I think it was her family that owned it. |
08-17-2009
( Reply#: 3610 ) |
Paddy |
quote:
Originally posted by Carol
A lot of money down here and it's costly to live if you don't make big bucks.
I was amazed by the number of McMansions in the new subdivisions. The three-car garages made the homes look like they were built as adjuncts to the garages instead of vice versa. |
08-17-2009
( Reply#: 3613 ) |
Paddy |
quote:
Originally posted by BobK
Paddy, did you know Cathy Yonkers? I think she may have been class of 61. She lived on Columbia just north of 149th. She went to All Saints and then Bishop Noll.
Her name doesn't ring a bell. Noll was a big school, with graduating classes of 300-400. However, I did date someone from the Class of 61, a comely redhead named Novelene. |
08-19-2009
( Reply#: 3631 ) |
svea3 |
Greetings new member Carol I graduated from OPM in 1960 also.
Did you live close to173rd?
Up know earliy in the morning eveything looks ok and it turns out to be jubberish.
Linda |
08-19-2009
( Reply#: 3632 ) |
Carol |
Hi, Linda! I lived on Leland Ave., 3 blocks east of Indpls Blvd off of 169th. Thanks for the welcome. What was your maiden name, if you don't mind telling me, mine was Bubac. |
08-23-2009
( Reply#: 3671 ) |
svea3 |
My mom's maiden name was Houpt. She graduated from HHSin 1929. My dad from HTech in 1925. I know the Bubac name.
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08-23-2009
( Reply#: 3672 ) |
svea3 |
OOOOps my MAIDEN name was Johnson. I lived on the corner of 173rd and Kennedy on the NW corner. A lot of my Woodmar buddies lived close to Indianapolis BLVD. |
08-24-2009
( Reply#: 3673 ) |
Carol |
Hi, Linda. I remember your name also. Yeah, there were many of us that lived close to the Blvd. East and West, really. A whole lot of subdivisions went up in the early 50's. Parents like mine were able to move their families "south" from north Hammond and East Chicago. The block I lived on in N Hammond had only one kid, me. So when we moved to Woodmar, it was heaven on earth! Lots of kids on every block. Even though it was a 'hike' to Porter and then to MHS, I loved it. |
08-26-2009
( Reply#: 3677 ) |
svea3 |
Those were wonderful days and I do not think it is the haze of the years. My class only had 13 and grew expotentially when we went to the JR HIGH. We were innocent enough not even to realize how great everything was and was to become.[:)] We were from the small lot of Real War Babies.. NOT THE POST WAR BOOMERS
Carson Pierre Scott had us paint on their windows. That was so radical and some people think that their children's painting on store windowa is so new. Nope we were doing it back in the 50's.
Later
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08-27-2009
( Reply#: 3680 ) |
Carol |
Linda, GREAT memory! I'd forgotten about the Carson windows, but you're right on. I was born not quite 4 months after Pearl Harbor, so don't remember much about that war. Been way too many since then!! I sometimes wish that my grandkids could have experienced some of the 'quieter times' that we were able to enjoy. I tell them about growing up in the 40s and 50s and they look at me like I was raised in a cave. Ah, well, time stands still for no man (or woman). This thread has reminded me of so many forgotten memories. Thanks y'all (that's 'Texan' for all of you). |
09-01-2009
( Reply#: 3721 ) |
Carol |
Hey, Hessvillites, do any of you remember Hessville Park before the Little Red School House? Sure you do! We all remember Hessville Pool, but do you also remember the winter ice skating and the warming house provided us skaters? Many years later, when Bush and Reagan were fighting it out in a primary, Jimmy Stewart(the Wonderful Life and many more great movies), stood on the porch of the School House to promote Reagan. I was delighted to personally meet him but was rather taken back by the very long hairs growing from the TOP of his nose. Lots of memories of Hessville Park!!
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09-02-2009
( Reply#: 3728 ) |
Pro2am |
Cindy,
Sounds like you're thinking of Goldblatts. It was a across Hohman from Woolworths, and as far as I recall it had elevators.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
=============================
quote:
Originally posted by cindyhr
What store was across the side street from Woolworth's? Can't remember if that was Sibley or State? Anyway, that store was the one with the escalator. It's funny how when you are away for so long you can't remember names of streets or even names of some stores. All those pictures brought back so many memories.
Cindy
PS: Hope I'm not getting alzheimers!!!!!
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09-02-2009
( Reply#: 3729 ) |
Pro2am |
Carol,
Yes, I remember Hessville Park; we moved to California Ave. in early 1962. You might recall that there was a concrete wading pool on the west side of Hessville Pool - between it and the skating rink. Years later it was filled in, blacktopped, and converted to a basketball court. In the Summer of 1966 I got a job with the Hammond Parks Dept. and worked at Hessville Park. Our tools were stored in a room in the shelter house. There used to be a small playground area with swings, little slides, etc. just west of the sidewalk path that ran on the west edge of the skating rink between Parrish and 173rd St. There was a larger slide and swing set near Hessville pool and the former wading pool.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
==============================
quote:
Originally posted by Carol
Hey, Hessvillites, do any of you remember Hessville Park before the Little Red School House? Sure you do! We all remember Hessville Pool, but do you also remember the winter ice skating and the warming house provided us skaters? Many years later, when Bush and Reagan were fighting it out in a primary, Jimmy Stewart(the Wonderful Life and many more great movies), stood on the porch of the School House to promote Reagan. I was delighted to personally meet him but was rather taken back by the very long hairs growing from the TOP of his nose. Lots of memories of Hessville Park!!
|
09-06-2009
( Reply#: 3745 ) |
Carol |
Hey, guys, this is WAY off topic, but need some help. Do any of you remember why Dandy Don Meredith was fired from Monday Night Football? I remember it was something he said to Cosell during a game that some felt offensive, but can't think of what it was. Help! Please and thank you. |
09-06-2009
( Reply#: 3746 ) |
Jim R |
quote:
Originally posted by Carol
Hey, guys, this is WAY off topic, but need some help. Do any of you remember why Dandy Don Meredith was fired from Monday Night Football? I remember it was something he said to Cosell during a game that some felt offensive, but can't think of what it was. Help! Please and thank you.
[url]http://www.tnt.tv/title/?oid=341985-2091[/url]
Here's a timeline of Monday Night Football. Seems Meredith quit and was replaced by Fred "The Hammer" Williamson, who clashed with Cosell and was "bought out'. See the 1974 entries.
Harding K thru 7
Morton 8 thru 12
Class of 1972 |
09-07-2009
( Reply#: 3751 ) |
Carol |
Thanks a bunch!! I really thought Meredith was fired - had no idea he left after 4 years. Urban legends, I guess or just faulty memory. Thanks again, I really appreciate it. |
09-25-2009
( Reply#: 3801 ) |
Toni Powell |
Hello, I lived with my grandparents for a while at 6842 Carolina Ave, Hessville. They were Ernest & Bessie Meadows. They sold their home about 1960 and followed my family to Florida, where they lived the rest of their years. Grandpa worked past retirement at Inland Steel. My Mom and her brothers went to Morton HS. I went to kindergarten somewhere around there, then Mom and Dad moved to Illinois, then Florida, I got married & now live in Northern Georgia.
I remember many a summer vacation,weekends and Christmas,staying with my grandparents.
My Aunt Helen Meadows now lives in Griffith, and my other Uncle, Buel Meadows lives in Longview, TX. Toni |
09-25-2009
( Reply#: 3802 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by Toni Powell
Hello, I lived with my grandparents for a while at 6842 Carolina Ave, Hessville. They were Ernest & Bessie Meadows. They sold their home about 1960 and followed my family to Florida, where they lived the rest of their years. Grandpa worked past retirement at Inland Steel. My Mom and her brothers went to Morton HS. I went to kindergarten somewhere around there, then Mom and Dad moved to Illinois, then Florida, I got married & now live in Northern Georgia.
I remember many a summer vacation,weekends and Christmas,staying with my grandparents.
My Aunt Helen Meadows now lives in Griffith, and my other Uncle, Buel Meadows lives in Longview, TX. Toni
Hello, Toni. Welcome to Sheptalk. Make yourself at home and post away.
Tom |
09-25-2009
( Reply#: 3804 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by Toni Powell
Hello, I lived with my grandparents for a while at 6842 Carolina Ave, Hessville. They were Ernest & Bessie Meadows. They sold their home about 1960
Toni
Toni -- You will not believe this -- My parents bought that house at 6842 Carolina in 1960!!! Tomorrow when I have more time I'll post a photo of it taken way back when just to show I'm not kidding.
Ken O'Neal |
09-26-2009
( Reply#: 3805 ) |
S C Jones |
Toni,
Welcome! And, Ken, that is just about the ultimate in connections---almost 40 years from the time you and Toni passed each other in our beloved Hessville and did not know each other. WOW! Remember, we had a topic on those kinds of meetings.
The closest I have come to that kind of internet connection was having a former neighbor's daughter log on to this site and get me and my brother reconnected with the family.
Whoa-- who knows what some of us may experience from this forum if we remain here long enough for others to catch up to us.
Really, I am psyched at your and Toni's discovery. |
09-26-2009
( Reply#: 3807 ) |
wvcogs |
As promised, here are pictures of 6842 Carolina Avenue, Hammond, Indiana. The first is one my parents took of the house a couple years after they bought it from Toni's grandparents. The other is one seejay took for me in 2007.
Ken O'Neal
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/6842Carolina-1962.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/6842Carolina-2007.jpg[/img] |
09-28-2009
( Reply#: 3810 ) |
Toni Powell |
Ken, the pictures did not come through. I will check again tonight to see if they did....;thanx..and by the way I was born in Beckley, WV .Toni |
09-28-2009
( Reply#: 3811 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by Toni Powell
Ken, the pictures did not come through. I will check again tonight to see if they did....;thanx..and by the way I was born in Beckley, WV .Toni
Toni,
Sorry about the pictures not making it. See if these links work any better for you. We moved from Northwest Indiana to Hurricane, WV in 1975. My parents lived at 6842 Carolina until they retired and moved away in 1973.
Ken...
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/6842Carolina-1962.jpg"]6842 Carolina in 1962[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/6842Carolina-2007.jpg"]6842 Carolina in 2007[/url] |
10-08-2009
( Reply#: 3826 ) |
Toni Powell |
Ken, I finally got the pictures and thank you for taking the effort to do so. Toni |
10-09-2009
( Reply#: 3835 ) |
Roger D |
Hello everyone I am new to Shep Talk. I have been reading the previous posts and find them interesting. Many true facts and some close. The Collins murders in the mid 50s happened on 176th street one block west of New Hampshire St. I moved to New Hampshire St. in '57. I lived in "East" Hessville from '57-'64. The manageer of the A&P store on Kennedy Ave. and then the new one on 165th was my neighbor, J.C. Yates. His son Frank graduated from Morton in '61 |
10-09-2009
( Reply#: 3837 ) |
Roger D |
Small small world ! My wife and I lived at 6830 Carolina from the spring of '65 until the fall of '69. We rented a duplex from the Goodsons. Mike Goodson and I went to Morton together. I graduated mid term in '63. We bougt our first house on California St. Then sold it and bought our house on Alexander about 1976.
Any Morton Govs. from rthe class of '63 out there??? |
10-10-2009
( Reply#: 3838 ) |
Tom J |
Roger:
I'm sorry for the lack of replies to your posts. We seem to be in one of our lulls around here.
Come on, you old timers, give Roger a big Sheptalk welcome.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
10-10-2009
( Reply#: 3839 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by Roger D
Small small world ! My wife and I lived at 6830 Carolina from the spring of '65 until the fall of '69. We rented a duplex from the Goodsons. Mike Goodson and I went to Morton together. I graduated mid term in '63. We bougt our first house on California St. Then sold it and bought our house on Alexander about 1976.
Any Morton Govs. from the class of '63 out there???
Hello Neighbor. Welcome aboard. Stick around and join in the conversation. At 6830 Carolina you were three houses north of my parents. I don't remember seeing any '63 Govs on here -- could be wrong. Did you have an older sister who also attended Morton for a while?
Ken O'Neal (MHS '60) |
10-11-2009
( Reply#: 3844 ) |
Roger D |
Hello Ken, I have a younger sister (17 mos.). I graduated mid term '63 and she June '63. Her name is Marsha. |
11-10-2009
( Reply#: 3915 ) |
James Hunt |
Very fun site, brought back a lot of great memories, thanks to all those that have contributed.
I grew up in Hessville on California Avenue very near Hessville Park, lived there from 1956 until 1973.
Summers were the best times. Would leave the house in the morning and not come back until dinner. I would often get a dime from my mom and go to the Hessville Park pool. Does anyone remember those baskets you would keep your street clothes in and the metal pin you would pin to your bathing suit with the basket number on it?
Jim Hunt
OLPH 67
Morton 71 (just barely LOL) |
11-10-2009
( Reply#: 3916 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by James Hunt
Very fun site, brought back a lot of great memories, thanks to all those that have contributed.
I grew up in Hessville on California Avenue very near Hessville Park, lived there from 1956 until 1973.
Summers were the best times. Would leave the house in the morning and not come back until dinner. I would often get a dime from my mom and go to the Hessville Park pool. Does anyone remember those baskets you would keep your street clothes in and the metal pin you would pin to your bathing suit with the basket number on it?
Jim Hunt
OLPH 67
Morton 71 (just barely LOL)
Welcome, Jim. Glad to have you with us.
Hope you will share lots of memories with us.
Tom |
11-11-2009
( Reply#: 3922 ) |
Roger D |
Welcome James, I am sure you will know some who post here.
Still none from my time, OPM '63. Although I know Tom J.
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11-13-2009
( Reply#: 3934 ) |
peaclver |
Hello! I'm a resident of Hammond all my life (now 57). I'm a heart-lung transplant survivor and fancy myself a writer.
I've written two books that in some way or another speak of the Calumet Region and Hammond. One is 'Vision of the Field: A Baseball Fantasy.' and the other one is 'In the Company of Legends."
I'm working on a couple of other books and one is planned as a more comprehensive look at eh Calumet Region on it's people. If you have any thoughts and stories on the 'Region,' please e-mail them to me. It would help in my research trmendously. |
11-13-2009
( Reply#: 3936 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by peaclver
Hello! I'm a resident of Hammond all my life (now 57). I'm a heart-lung transplant survivor and fancy myself a writer.
I've written two books that in some way or another speak of the Calumet Region and Hammond. One is 'Vision of the Field: A Baseball Fantasy.' and the other one is 'In the Company of Legends."
I'm working on a couple of other books and one is planned as a more comprehensive look at eh Calumet Region on it's people. If you have any thoughts and stories on the 'Region,' please e-mail them to me. It would help in my research trmendously.
Hey, Joe, welcome. I have visited your blog a few times and have left comments. You and I have exchanged Emails. I believe it was you who confirmed for me that Bowl Era had been torn down, and you sent me some pictures.
Glad you have joined us.
Tom |
11-13-2009
( Reply#: 3941 ) |
peaclver |
Thanks for the welcome, Tom. I haven't blogged as much as I would have liked to. I've been busy with taking care of my Mom and taking care of the house, doing some fixing up and all. Tiring work, I plan to rest this weekend. |
12-22-2009
( Reply#: 4253 ) |
nitti |
Tough getting through these old threads.
The tavern across from the Boilermakers has been Porter's since at least the mid 60's.
There was a National Foods or Krogers on the corner across from Flick's (one was on the corner of 173rd & Kennedy, the other 165th - I can't remember which was where). It's a hubcap store now.
The Laundromat was one of the first Norge coin laundries to open in the area, but I thought it opened in the late 50's. The owner or his son - Tommy Thomas had muscular dystrophy or something similar and rode a 3 wheeled bike to and from the laundromat.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think the 3rd storefront in the Flick's buiding had Dr.White's office in the 50's where I was taken as a child.
No one mentioned it, but the "new" Flick's was once "The Nook" a
small restaurant. |
12-22-2009
( Reply#: 4258 ) |
wvcogs |
Welcome Nitti -- Here they are. The store at 165th and Kennedy was National. The one at 173rd and Kennedy was Gregory's. Tommy had Cerebral Palsy. And remember that Dick's Grocery (we called it Pop's) was in the same building as Flick's. Also, the Nook was either the end or the beginning of the bus route. I never was quite sure which.
Ken... |
12-22-2009
( Reply#: 4259 ) |
nitti |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Welcome Nitti -- Here they are. The store at 165th and Kennedy was National. The one at 173rd and Kennedy was Gregory's. Tommy had Cerebral Palsy. And remember that Dick's Grocery (we called it Pop's) was in the same building as Flick's. Also, the Nook was either the end or the beginning of the bus route. I never was quite sure which.
Ken...
hey, thanks. I forgot all about Gregory's.
Might as well complete the set with the A&P across the street from Fifields.(the original one in the 50's - the one on 165th was the second one) |
12-22-2009
( Reply#: 4260 ) |
Roger D |
Correct on the A&P. My neighbor, J.C. Yates was the manager there. His son, Frank, graduated from Morton in '61. Mr Yates died last month here in Ky.
Roger, OPM '63 |
12-22-2009
( Reply#: 4263 ) |
wvcogs |
Here's a look at part of the old A&P. The picture is from the Purdue Calumet Archives. It's just a part of the building. I'm not sure what the ladder truck is doing. See the Pin Bowl in the background.
Ken...
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/SCP-349KennedyMarthaStlookingnorth.jpg[/img] |
12-30-2009
( Reply#: 4398 ) |
nitti |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Here's a look at part of the old A&P. The picture is from the Purdue Calumet Archives. It's just a part of the building. I'm not sure what the ladder truck is doing. See the Pin Bowl in the background.
Ken...
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Archives/SCP-349KennedyMarthaStlookingnorth.jpg[/img]
This triggers another set of memories - probably only " central Hessvillites" from around 169th will remember.
About the mid fifties - I was 5 or 6, our Carolina St."gang" raided the candy aisle at A & P. We walked there and everyone "lifted" a piece of candy. When the cop appeared at the door, I ended up with a rather sore behind. (I remember who squealed, but I won't tell).
At any rate,the gang met behind Potter's field at/in a big metal hopper used to fill railroad gondola's - I guess with sand mined there - but there was nothing to show how they got the sand into the hopper.
This thing was 3-4 stories high and one kid would have to pull a lever to open the discharge shoot so we could climb inside and pull ourselves up on a cable to look over the top.(can you imagine this now - in the era of "play dates" and parental control).
This hopper was about a block east of "Monkey Hill" - part of the short cut home from OLPH, and about 2 blocks west of "Sticker Stadium", our ballfield in the east end of potter's field next to Parrish. (Potter's field was the east half of the cemetary that extended from Arizona - across from the original Fab to Parrish, along 169th)
Does anyone else remember the hopper, Monkey Hill or Sticker Stadium?
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12-30-2009
( Reply#: 4400 ) |
seejay2 |
These A&P pix have been posted about a year ago and actually won my mother a bet. Someone had bet her that there was no A&P ever on Kennedy. It just so happened these pix were posted around that time and I made hard copies of them to give her the proof she needed.
Monkey Hill!! Yes, that was one of the landmarks that is still used in credential-questioning aliens from space today that claim that they are old "Hessvillelites". I lived in the 6600 block of Arizona and Monkey Hill was a big-time sledding resort area for us in the winter and "King-of-the-Hill arena in the summer.
The only hopper I remember though, was a coaling tower that was closer to IHB roundhouse. It was a huge concrete structure, home to about 200 million pigeons inside, that we used to climb up into. "Pro2am" took some good pix of it and posted them a while back. It has since been torn down.
I don't remember anything named "Sticker Stadium" although a lot of places I would walk thru certainly could have won that name....Cj |
12-30-2009
( Reply#: 4405 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
quote:
Originally posted by FloridaKelly
[quote]Originally posted by golfwidow
Hi Tom, thanks for trying to help. We lived on 171st and Jefferson, near Edison School and Dairy Belle. We live in Crown Point now. We just drove through Hammond yesterday, my parents are visiting from Florida, and we took a trip dodwn memory lane, haha. We still can't remember the name of that grocery store. It was on the NW corner of 175th and Calumet . Thanks again.
I just came across this post from March of 2009. Yep, Model Foods was the store, and here's a cool ad from the Hammond Times in 1955.
Larry r
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/ModelFood0001.jpg[/IMG]
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12-30-2009
( Reply#: 4407 ) |
BobK |
My uncle's garage, Hood's Sales & Service, was right across the street from Model. |
12-30-2009
( Reply#: 4409 ) |
Pro2am |
The Alcos were the greatest diesels. Smoked like a steamer and had a beautiful "chug/whine" sound. GE locomotives are direct descendents of them. [:D]
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by m10bob
Yeah, Bill, I too am a railroad nut, and have belonged to the Monon Historical and Technical Society, and a few other clubs, (PRR, B&O, NYC, Mil.Rd, etc).
When dad was playing army in Korea, we lived with my grandparents near the old B&O yards in Haughville, (west Indy), and grandpa would walk me to those yards so I could wave at the freshly painted steamers at the roundhouses.
These roads were not dieselized till 1956, (except the Monon which was all diesel by 1947).
I too enjoyed hearing the trains all night, only a few short blocks away, and in fact, if Shep really disliked trains as much as he claims, why did he spend another 3 or 4 episodes speaking fondly of his rides on the trains ??
In one program, IIRC, he describes a very pleasant ride on the Super Chief to the west coast.
Since he was a pilot, he DID have other options..[;)]
As for diesels in Sheps day being smoky, well, yeah, early diesels were a LOT smokier, especially the Alco's, and NW2's, (both introduced in the 30's..)
Baldwin and Fairbanks Morse also had early entries, and these were all considered "very smoky".
In fact, one was so smoky, it was labelled "an honorary steamer" by the railroaders themselves. (I believe these were the Alco's).
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk
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12-31-2009
( Reply#: 4410 ) |
nitti |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro2am
The Alcos were the greatest diesels. Smoked like a steamer and had a beautiful "chug/whine" sound. GE locomotives are direct descendents of them. [:D]
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by m10bob
Yeah, Bill, I too am a railroad nut, and have belonged to the Monon Historical and Technical Society, and a few other clubs, (PRR, B&O, NYC, Mil.Rd, etc).
When dad was playing army in Korea, we lived with my grandparents near the old B&O yards in Haughville, (west Indy), and grandpa would walk me to those yards so I could wave at the freshly painted steamers at the roundhouses.
These roads were not dieselized till 1956, (except the Monon which was all diesel by 1947).
I too enjoyed hearing the trains all night, only a few short blocks away, and in fact, if Shep really disliked trains as much as he claims, why did he spend another 3 or 4 episodes speaking fondly of his rides on the trains ??
In one program, IIRC, he describes a very pleasant ride on the Super Chief to the west coast.
Since he was a pilot, he DID have other options..[;)]
As for diesels in Sheps day being smoky, well, yeah, early diesels were a LOT smokier, especially the Alco's, and NW2's, (both introduced in the 30's..)
Baldwin and Fairbanks Morse also had early entries, and these were all considered "very smoky".
In fact, one was so smoky, it was labelled "an honorary steamer" by the railroaders themselves. (I believe these were the Alco's).
In Hoc Agricula Conc
In Est Spittle Louk
The last working steam engines I saw were on the rail line that cuts Hessville in half at Grand/Parrish/Arizona/169th/Kennedy.
We'd see them sitting behind Monkey Hill waiting for a signal.
A working steam locomotive is a beautiful site. |
12-31-2009
( Reply#: 4412 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
The last working steam engines I saw were on the rail line that cuts Hessville in half at Grand/Parrish/Arizona/169th/Kennedy.
We'd see them sitting behind Monkey Hill waiting for a signal.
A working steam locomotive is a beautiful site.
It sure is! |
12-31-2009
( Reply#: 4415 ) |
Joel357 |
Bob K,
My dad and grandfather's shop was at 7331 Calumet Avenue, down the street from Model Food Store. I remember my dad used to take the service vehicles to your uncle Dave. Were you also related to the guys who owned Hood and Williams body shop? I remember Fehring Jewlers and Mr Fehring was a nice guy. I was wondering if you saw the movie clip that I put on here?
Joel |
12-31-2009
( Reply#: 4416 ) |
BobK |
Joel, Dave is my cousin, his Dad Len is my uncle. Len, by the way, is 99 years old and after a couple of recent small strokes was put into a home. He was living with Dave this past year and before that was living by himself and still driving. When his girlfriend and dog passed away two years ago I think he gave up and started going down hill. We saw him last January here in FL with Dave and he was doing quite well considering his age.
George Hood was Len's brother and Dave's uncle. My Mother and Dave's Mother were sisters.
I'm not sure if I saw your movie clip. What was your grandfather's shop? |
12-31-2009
( Reply#: 4420 ) |
Joel357 |
My grandfather's shop was Miner Electronics (Miner TV) at 173rd place and Calumet. |
12-31-2009
( Reply#: 4429 ) |
BobK |
I remember the store but I don't recall ever going in. I was young and broke then, now I'm old. I came into this world with nothing and I have most of it left. |
12-31-2009
( Reply#: 4433 ) |
Pro2am |
That rail line was the Nickel Plate Road. The NKP still used steam into the late 1950s. I recall seeing one or two of their steam switchers at the Indpls. Boulevard crossing.
In 1964-65 the Norfolk & Western acquired the NKP. In 1982-83 the N&W merged with the Southern Railway; the line then became what it is today: the Norfolk Southern Railway. [:)]
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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[/quote]The last working steam engines I saw were on the rail line that cuts Hessville in half at Grand/Parrish/Arizona/169th/Kennedy.
We'd see them sitting behind Monkey Hill waiting for a signal.
A working steam locomotive is a beautiful site.
[/quote] |
12-31-2009
( Reply#: 4435 ) |
S C Jones |
The double tracks of the Nickel Plate ran behind my Maryland Avenue home and through what we called the Farmer's field (parallel to 173rd and then across Parrish and on across Kennedy Ave.----we walked the tracks from our neighborhood (Grand Park) to Hessville to go to the Ace on Saturdays. quote:
Originally posted by Pro2am
That rail line was the Nickel Plate Road. The NKP still used steam into the late 1950s. I recall seeing one or two of their steam switchers at the Indpls. Boulevard crossing.
In 1964-65 the Norfolk & Western acquired the NKP. In 1982-83 the N&W merged with the Southern Railway; the line then became what it is today: the Norfolk Southern Railway. [:)]
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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The last working steam engines I saw were on the rail line that cuts Hessville in half at Grand/Parrish/Arizona/169th/Kennedy.
We'd see them sitting behind Monkey Hill waiting for a signal.
A working steam locomotive is a beautiful site.
[/quote]
[/quote] |
01-05-2010
( Reply#: 4482 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello gang -- I need your help on this one. I'm corresponding with a 1956 graduate of Morton who believes Edison school was a high school in the 1950s. As far as I remember, it was always an elementary/junior high school with the eighth grade being the highest. What are your comments on this one?
Thanks.
Ken |
01-05-2010
( Reply#: 4483 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Hello gang -- I need your help on this one. I'm corresponding with a 1956 graduate of Morton who believes Edison school was a high school in the 1950s. As far as I remember, it was always an elementary/junior high school with the eighth grade being the highest. What are your comments on this one?
Thanks.
Ken
I have never heard of it being anything other than K thru 8th grade either, Ken.
Tom |
01-05-2010
( Reply#: 4484 ) |
S C Jones |
The site, "Hammond Schools Past and Present" has this listing for Edison:
Thomas A. Edison Elementary School- Founded in 1920 in a building located at 625 Spruce Street. New structure built at 7025 Madison Avenue in 1937-38, then demolished in 1991. Present structure built in 1992.
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01-05-2010
( Reply#: 4485 ) |
BobK |
Irving school went thru 9th.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
01-06-2010
( Reply#: 4488 ) |
Roger D |
I grew up in north Hammond and Hessville. The high schools I remember were, Clark, Hammond High, Tech, Noll, Morton and Gavit.
I couldn't start to name all the elementry schools.
Roger D. |
01-06-2010
( Reply#: 4490 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Hey Region Rats!
I have been reading all these great posts for a few years now but never registered until now.
I can't discuss too much at the moment but I have attached a link to some great old memories of Downtown Hammond back from the 60's.
I left Hammond after living there for 38 years (1959-97). I know live in Louisville (loo-uh-vuhl) KY but I try to make it north as often as possible.
I hope this link works and thanks for all the reminders of a great place in time and space - Hammond, Indiana!
[url][/url]http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=63105644
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01-06-2010
( Reply#: 4491 ) |
nitti |
quote:
Originally posted by Roger D
I grew up in north Hammond and Hessville. The high schools I remember were, Clark, Hammond High, Tech, Noll, Morton and Gavit.
I couldn't start to name all the elementry schools.
Roger D.
Could he be remembering Gary Edison - which I think is now called Lake Station? |
01-06-2010
( Reply#: 4493 ) |
BobK |
Edison School in Hammond was never a high school.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4516 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Well, it's snowing pretty good here in Fort Knox - I may need to shut down soon. Before I go I wanted to post a link I found which contains some pictures of Hammond landmarks. If you browse around you can spot some old gems.
http://www.roadsidepeek.com/roadusa/midwest/mwsign/mwsignother/index10.htm
Thanks,
Dave |
01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4517 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Hi Bob,
I almost forgot about this link I found which shows the old Edison School. I have a niece who attended it before the reconstruction.
http://hhs59.com/edison.htm
There are some nice vintage photos of the school.
Thanks,
Davequote:
Originally posted by BobK
Edison School in Hammond was never a high school.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img]
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01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4518 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
At the risk over being too pushy, I want to post this link about Hammond 1960's from...ugh...YouTube. I'm not a fan of the policy at YouTube which allows vulgar and profane language in the comments but from time to time I enjoy viewing videos of special things which are no longer around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZxgCl_gu8g
Again, please excuse me if someone else has already posted this link.
BTW, does anyone remember Zayer's discount store or Burger's grocery store. How 'bout Almira's bakery across from Lafayette School at Sibley and Howard? Great kolaches!!!!!
Dave |
01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4519 ) |
Roger D |
I had an aunt who worked at Zayers and we did all of our grocery shopping at Burgers.
Roger D. OPM '63 |
01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4523 ) |
BobK |
Richard Barnes is a 1959 graduate of Hammond High and very active in the history of Hammond.
I worked at Burger's on Calumet for about 6 months before getting a job at Sears on State St. |
01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4525 ) |
tom w |
Heres one that I bet NOBODY remembers. On the corner of 149th street and Ash Avenue in North Hammond, there wasa red brick building that housed a business called Tidy Didee Diaper Service. Across the street was Vivians Bakery. That was the only place we cared about when we went trick-or-treating. Tom W |
01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4526 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Ah, yes, Sears on State St! I remember seeing all the color TV sets as you walked in the left entrance. Downstairs was the paints, the catalog department was all the way in the back. If memory serves me correctly, Sears had their own little automotive garage located across the alley, sorta like an an agle from the back of Lord Shoes. In the 70's it felt weird being in S&J's records after Sears vacated that building.quote:
Originally posted by BobK
Richard Barnes is a 1959 graduate of Hammond High and very active in the history of Hammond.
I worked at Burger's on Calumet for about 6 months before getting a job at Sears on State St.
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01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4529 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Tom,
Nope - I can't say I remember either one of those places. I used to have basketball practice at Irving's gym since my school, St. Joe's-All Saints, didn't have a gym anymore.
I know these places may not be from the same area, but do you or anyone else remember Varsity Pizza, Barton's drugstore/grocery or Supreme Bakery (on Conky across from Rand McNally - I worked there for a few years)?
Sorry for rambling on, but I also remember taking the 48B bus from Michigan & Columbia to Downtown Hammond and it would go through a neighborhood where Riverside Elementary School stood. This ws before Turner Park Apartments. quote:
Originally posted by tom w
Heres one that I bet NOBODY remembers. On the corner of 149th street and Ash Avenue in North Hammond, there wasa red brick building that housed a business called Tidy Didee Diaper Service. Across the street was Vivians Bakery. That was the only place we cared about when we went trick-or-treating. Tom W
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01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4531 ) |
BobK |
Varsity Pizza rings a bell but I can't place it. I remember Barton's and I'm surprised that I don't recall the bakery unless it came after me as I went to Wallace school and lived on Highland St just off of Harrison and must have walked past it whenever I didn't cut through Conkey Plant (Rand McNally).
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4533 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Bob,
Sorry, I referred to that bakery as Supreme but now that I think about it, it was Superior Bakery.
You mentioned going to Wallace School. After I got out of the navy and was about to return to college, I worked for a great guy named Rich Broz. His family owned and he now owns Broz Moving and Storage. He used to live on Calumet near Atlas Transmission at Calumet& 165th. Anyway, I remember him showing me a picture of his class back from the 50's at Wallace School. Did you know him?quote:
Originally posted by BobK
Varsity Pizza rings a bell but I can't place it. I remember Barton's and I'm surprised that I don't recall the bakery unless it came after me as I went to Wallace school and lived on Highland St just off of Harrison and must have walked past it whenever I didn't cut through Conkey Plant (Rand McNally).
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img]
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01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4534 ) |
tom w |
Bob; I didnt know richard but II knew a Matty Broz. Musta been a brother. He lived on Calumet one block north of 165yh. Tom W |
01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4536 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Tom,
Yes, Matt was Rich's older brother. Sadly, Matt passed away. Both Matt and Rich were and are some of the hardest workers you'd ever meet.quote:
Originally posted by tom w
Bob; I didnt know richard but II knew a Matty Broz. Musta been a brother. He lived on Calumet one block north of 165yh. Tom W
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01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4538 ) |
Tom J |
Man, when you are talking Calumet & 165th Street, you are talking about my neighborhood. I lived two short blocks east of there on Woodward Avenue.
I don't remember any folks with the last name "Broz" on Calumet, but I didn't know everyone, of course. I did deliver papers for the Hammond Times in 1962 and 1963, and I don't remember any customers by that name.
Tom |
01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4540 ) |
BobK |
"Originally posted by EastHammondBoomer
Bob,
Sorry, I referred to that bakery as Supreme but now that I think about it, it was Superior Bakery.
You mentioned going to Wallace School. After I got out of the navy and was about to return to college, I worked for a great guy named Rich Broz. His family owned and he now owns Broz Moving and Storage. He used to live on Calumet near Atlas Transmission at Calumet& 165th. Anyway, I remember him showing me a picture of his class back from the 50's at Wallace School. Did you know him?"
I didn't know him Dave and we move to the north side in 52 and I transferred to Lincoln for a year and a half before going to Irving. |
01-07-2010
( Reply#: 4541 ) |
Tom J |
Dave (EastHammondBoomer):
I sent you a private message via this website. It should have come to you as an Email. Did you get it?
I would love to either talk with you or exchange Emails. Just the "do you know so and so" type of stuff that would be boring to the members here.
I am only about two hours west of you, if you live in Louisville, so maybe we could even hook up for a little face to face reminiscing.
What high school did you go to? What year were you graduated?
Tom |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4548 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Hey Tom,
Sorry I didn't get back until now. I usually don't use my computer after certain hours because my wife tells me I need to spend more time with my kids and less with the keyboard. My job (AutoCAD drafter) dictates I should spend hours in front of a computer.
I didn't seem to receive your email. I even checked my spam filter and I didn't see anything. To answer your questions, I attended Bishop Noll for 8th and freshman year then went to Hammond High. I graduated in '77. Later, I went to Ball State for a year, IVY Tech Gary for 1 year, South Suburban College (South Holland) for 2 years then finally Purdue Cal for 1 year.
I wouldn't mind exchanging emails to see if we have any friends in common. Right now my budget probably couldn't allow me to travel much ever since I lost my job last January. My current job has been a major pay cut.
Thanks for your interest and kind words about my posts. I think I can safely say I share a lot of the love and sentiments others here have for what used to be our beloved Hammond.
Dave quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Dave (EastHammondBoomer):
I sent you a private message via this website. It should have come to you as an Email. Did you get it?
I would love to either talk with you or exchange Emails. Just the "do you know so and so" type of stuff that would be boring to the members here.
I am only about two hours west of you, if you live in Louisville, so maybe we could even hook up for a little face to face reminiscing.
What high school did you go to? What year were you graduated?
Tom
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01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4549 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by EastHammondBoomer
Hey Tom,
Sorry I didn't get back until now. I usually don't use my computer after certain hours because my wife tells me I need to spend more time with my kids and less with the keyboard. My job (AutoCAD drafter) dictates I should spend hours in front of a computer.
I didn't seem to receive your email. I even checked my spam filter and I didn't see anything. To answer your questions, I attended Bishop Noll for 8th and freshman year then went to Hammond High. I graduated in '77. Later, I went to Ball State for a year, IVY Tech Gary for 1 year, South Suburban College (South Holland) for 2 years then finally Purdue Cal for 1 year.
I wouldn't mind exchanging emails to see if we have any friends in common. Right now my budget probably couldn't allow me to travel much ever since I lost my job last January. My current job has been a major pay cut.
Thanks for your interest and kind words about my posts. I think I can safely say I share a lot of the love and sentiments others here have for what used to be our beloved Hammond.
Dave quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Dave (EastHammondBoomer):
I sent you a private message via this website. It should have come to you as an Email. Did you get it?
I would love to either talk with you or exchange Emails. Just the "do you know so and so" type of stuff that would be boring to the members here.
I am only about two hours west of you, if you live in Louisville, so maybe we could even hook up for a little face to face reminiscing.
What high school did you go to? What year were you graduated?
Tom
I'll tell our host, Mr. Jim Clavin, that Emails do not appear to be working. He thought he had the problem fixed, but I guess not.
Tom |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4552 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Tom J (and anyone else interested in Downtown Hammond and Purdue Calumet Campus):
I searched the forum for any thread covering Purdue Cal but I didn't see any. I don't want to cloud this thread too much with off-topic posts but I came across this link (yes, yet another link!!) which contains old photos of Purdue Cal and Downtown Hammond.
http://library.calumet.purdue.edu/Archhtmlfin/photo_gallery_main/archives_photo_gallery_Main.htm
Under the "ARCHIVE PHOTOS" column, open pages 35, 50 & 51 to see some Hammond photos. There are also tons of other Purdue Cal photos in this column and the other two columns.
Tom J, I noticed you're wearing a Purdue Calumet shirt in your profile photo. I studied some Mechanical Engineering Technology (MET) but mostly focused on AutoCAD.
I DO root for Purdue University West Lafayette (#4 so far) but I also try to support our home town teams even if they aren't in the big leagues.
BTW, I have an old picture (circa 60's) of Shoppers World (for some reason I thought it was Shoppers Fair) which if I recall was just over the bridge past the K-Mart on Indianapolis Blvd. Wasn't there a "Topps" store there, too? I tried posting the photo but I don't have the url.
Dave G |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4554 ) |
Tom J |
Dave:
I can't for the life of me see why it should bother anyone if a link to something cool gets posted a second time. In this case, that is what happened, because good old Ken (WVCOGS) tipped us off to the Purdue-Cal photo archives a while back. Who knows, maybe a newcomer like you would have missed that link if it had not been reposted.
Anyhow, please, Dave, when in doubt... POST! There is no harm at all in reposting something. That is far better than all of us missing out on something that we would have enjoyed because someone was afraid it might have been posted before, right?
I did only my first year at Purdue-Calumet, Dave, and then I went to W. Lafayette for my final three years. Like Duane and Tim (MrRazz), I studied Forestry. Wait, I think Tim was in Wildlife Management. My year at PUCC was the 1967-1968 school year.
Keep posting!
Tom
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01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4555 ) |
tom w |
You are correct about Tops being right next to Shoppers world. Tom W |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4557 ) |
BobK |
Wasn't Topps first and then it burned down? I also recollect that Topps brought an end to the blue laws for Sunday sales. |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4560 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
[IMG]http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/EastHammondBoomer/ShoppersWorld.jpg[/IMG]
Here's that old photo of Shoppers World. Was it at the corner of US 41 & RT 30?
Dave G |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4561 ) |
Tom J |
Yeah, it was there. Wicker Park was on the opposite side of Indianapolis Blvd from it.
Tom |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4563 ) |
wvcogs |
No, US 30 was farther south. Shoppers World was on Indianapolis Blvd. just south of the Little Calumet River, between Ridge Road and the Little Cal. Tom is right, though. Wicker Park was across Indianapolis Blvd. I believe the bridge in the background is the one that goes over the river. That image is one from the Purdue Calumet Library Archives.
Ken |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4564 ) |
seejay2 |
No. This bridge goes over "Frog Hollow" and the RR tracks. Go a little further over the bridge (maybe 1/4 mile) and there is the river..........Cj |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4565 ) |
Tom J |
My bad. It was near Indy Blvd (US 41) and Ridge Road (US 6), not US 30.
Tom |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4566 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Thanks to all for clearing that up about Shoppers World.
I hope you all don't mind my asking another question but do any of you remember a bait shop called Steffan's? It was basically a small business in the back of a private house. My dad would take me there before we'd go to Wolf Lake for fishing. Other times, we'd just stick a rod with current into the ground and watch the night crawlers come out in my back yard.
I believe Steffan's was on the same street as the Queen Ann Candies plant. I also remember the Sinclair gas station located on the corner of that street and Hohman. The gas station attendant would always give me and my sisters free Tootsie-Rolls. Those were the days!
Dave G |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4568 ) |
Tom J |
Dave:
This is driving me nuts that we cannot communicate privately. I hate to post my Email address publicly, and our Email feature at Sheptalk is apparently not working.
Are you registered at Classmates.com in the Hammond High School Class of 77? Is your last name Hispanic? I found a David G_____ listed there. I could contact you through Classmates if that is you.
If you are registered at Classmates, you could contact me through that website. I don't mind posting my last name; it's Johnson. So, look up "Tom Johnson" in the HHS Class of 1967 and send me a PM.
Tom |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4569 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Tom,
This is a little embarrasing but I've always been a free member on Classmates so I can only answer emails from a paying member - not initiate them. To answer your question, yes, that's me listed in the HHS class of '77.
Thanks,
Dave Gquote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Dave:
This is driving me nuts that we cannot communicate privately. I hate to post my Email address publicly, and our Email feature at Sheptalk is apparently not working.
Are you registered at Classmates.com in the Hammond High School Class of 77? Is your last name Hispanic? I found a David G_____ listed there. I could contact you through Classmates if that is you.
If you are registered at Classmates, you could contact me through that website. I don't mind posting my last name; it's Johnson. So, look up "Tom Johnson" in the HHS Class of 1967 and send me a PM.
Tom
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01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4570 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by EastHammondBoomer
Tom,
This is a little embarrasing but I've always been a free member on Classmates so I can only answer emails from a paying member - not initiate them. To answer your question, yes, that's me listed in the HHS class of '77.
Thanks,
Dave Gquote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Dave:
This is driving me nuts that we cannot communicate privately. I hate to post my Email address publicly, and our Email feature at Sheptalk is apparently not working.
Are you registered at Classmates.com in the Hammond High School Class of 77? Is your last name Hispanic? I found a David G_____ listed there. I could contact you through Classmates if that is you.
If you are registered at Classmates, you could contact me through that website. I don't mind posting my last name; it's Johnson. So, look up "Tom Johnson" in the HHS Class of 1967 and send me a PM.
Tom
OK, so let me send YOU one on Classmates, and you can reply. We'll see if that works.
Tom |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4571 ) |
wvcogs |
Tom,
Did you know that you can include your email address in one of those email type messages on classmates and it will go through? That is if you are a "gold" member.
Ken |
01-08-2010
( Reply#: 4573 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Tom,
Did you know that you can include your email address in one of those email type messages on classmates and it will go through? That is if you are a "gold" member.
Ken
Yes, Ken, I have done that already. Thanks for being kind enough to pass that along, though.
As it turned out, Dave had already found my Email address by going to my personal website via the link in my Sheptalk profile. We are now officially in contact with one another! [:)]
Tom |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4578 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
So glad you guys got that all worked out....I was hanging on every word (Just kidding, of course). Seriously, I may sometime be looking for a way to contact some of you guys personally.
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Shopper's World opened (I believe) in 1960. I remember the excitement of going there, which our family did often. It seemed to have an incredible variety of stuff, and was the first actual "Big Box" store in da' Region. It would have also been the first significant example of commercial retail development that intruded (as some would say) into the southern corridor of Indianapolis Blvd. I still remember driving out towards Rt 30 when there was nothing but wide open spaces and a few gas stations, etc until you hit Sauzer's and Kiddieland. Today it feels much more like Vegas than Rt 41 of old.
Also, that bridge in the picture is the one by Wicker Park and I believe it is slated to be replaced sometime soon.
Larry r |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4579 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
So glad you guys got that all worked out....I was hanging on every word (Just kidding, of course). Seriously, I may sometime be looking for a way to contact some of you guys personally.
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Shopper's World opened (I believe) in 1960. I remember the excitement of going there, which our family did often. It seemed to have an incredible variety of stuff, and was the first actual "Big Box" store in da' Region. It would have also been the first significant example of commercial retail development that intruded (as some would say) into the southern corridor of Indianapolis Blvd. I still remember driving out towards Rt 30 when there was nothing but wide open spaces and a few gas stations, etc until you hit Sauzer's and Kiddieland. Today it feels much more like Vegas than Rt 41 of old.
Also, that bridge in the picture is the one by Wicker Park and I believe it is slated to be replaced sometime soon.
Larry r
Larry, you and everyone else here at Sheptalk are welcome to contact me anytime. When the Email feature is working, you can click on a person's user name, and that takes you to his profile. If he has chosen to allow Emails, you can click on "click to send an Email" in the "contact info" section.
For privacy considerations, when you use that feature, you are not allowed to see the other party's email address. The email goes to that person, and only if he replies do you see his email address in the message header of his reply.
Unfortunately, I don't believe that feature is currently working. I have emailed Jim Clavin, our host, about it through my personal email account outside of Sheptalk, but I have not heard back from him yet.
Even though the email feature is not working, you can do what Dave G did, which is click on my website link in my profile and find my email address there. I would be happy to hear from any of you guys and gals.
Tom |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4580 ) |
wvcogs |
Two questions, please.
Was Shoppers World the place that had separate selling areas for various vendors or types of products somewhat similar to the large flea markets of today?
Did another "Big Box" store open at the intersection of 30 and 41 (NW corner) in the early 1960s?
Thanks, Ken |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4583 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Two questions, please.
Was Shoppers World the place that had separate selling areas for various vendors or types of products somewhat similar to the large flea markets of today?
Did another "Big Box" store open at the intersection of 30 and 41 (NW corner) in the early 1960s?
Thanks, Ken
Ken:
Where was "Topps?" Was it built on the same site as Shopper's World after Shopper's World burned down? DID Shopper's World burn down? There was one big discount store that burned in that general area.
Also, wasn't there a Zayre's Department Store somewhere in that area?
Tom |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4586 ) |
Roger D |
Topps was south of Shoppers World. Topps was the one that burnt. I believe it was rebuilt as a grocery store. I kbnow there was a large grocery (club style) there in the 80's. The Shoppers World building housed a Giant Auto Parts and a grocery at one time.
Tom J, my aunt Mo that you knew worked for Shoppers World in the 70's. She lived in "frog hollow"
I believe that the Zayers store was at Ridge Road and Cline. It anchored a shopping center there. The shopping center replaced the Ridge Road Drive In.
Roger D. |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4591 ) |
Tom J |
Roger, Roger. (Sorry, but I just HAD to do that.) [:)]
Thanks for the clarification.
Tom |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4592 ) |
Joel357 |
On that site, wasn't there Robert Hall Village, after Shoppers World?
Joel |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4594 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Wow!! I haven't heard the name Robert Hall in ages! I seem to recall a store on south State Street one block west of Hohman. Sorry to get off topic, but wasn't the old Greyhound Bus station in the building west of there and the Trailways Bus station across the street?
Robert Hall had quality clothes. I always wore a slim, never quite made it to a huskey size.
Dave G quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
On that site, wasn't there Robert Hall Village, after Shoppers World?
Joel
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01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4595 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by EastHammondBoomer
Wow!! I haven't heard the name Robert Hall in ages! I seem to recall a store on south State Street one block west of Hohman. Sorry to get off topic, but wasn't the old Greyhound Bus station in the building west of there and the Trailways Bus station across the street?
Robert Hall had quality clothes. I always wore a slim, never quite made it to a huskey size.
Dave G quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
On that site, wasn't there Robert Hall Village, after Shoppers World?
Joel
Robert Hall this season will show you the reason... low overhead.
[:D] |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4596 ) |
Joel357 |
I remember that but I thought they had a store there. |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4601 ) |
duane |
The big box store at the NW corner of US 30 and US 41 was called Mays.
Shoppers world never burned down. The existing building is still there, but has been divided into many smaller stores. Once Topps opened up just to the south, Shoppers World erected large billboards all along the south end of their parking lot to "hide" the fact that Topps was there....obviously didn't work.
There was a Robert hall in downtown Hammond and also later there was one in Highland, on Indy Blvd, a few blocks north of Ridge road. I believe it is now a Walgreens. |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4602 ) |
Roger D |
I believe that Robert Hall was south of Rt6 (Ridge Road) on the east side of Indpls. Blvd. When I married my dad insisted on buying me a new suit to get married in. It was bought at Robert Hall.
Roger D.
P.S. My mother told me later my grandparents had bought him a new suit to get married in so he did the same for me.
I can't believe the memories we resurrect.
|
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4604 ) |
Roger D |
Right that was a Mays store at 30 & 41. I believe they were a little more upscale than Shoppers World & Topps. I lived in Dyer from the fall of '71 until spring of '73. we shopped at Mays as it was cheap and handy to a mill worker with a family. |
01-09-2010
( Reply#: 4605 ) |
Roger D |
Dave G.-- I vaguely remember the bait shop you mentioned. We lived in the 4400 block of Clark street andI fished with my dad at Wolf Lake ( he fished, i shot me bb gun). I remember that in the summer '57 we left the bait shop heading for the lake and were involved in a fender bender at about on Sheffield.
Roger D.
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01-10-2010
( Reply#: 4607 ) |
Dave |
Zayres was a pretty big chain of department stores. Amongst the many Zayes stores, there was one on Cline/Ridge; one on Broadway near where Gary meets Merrillville; and another on Route 12 somewhere. All of the Zayres closed sometime around 1990, but related stores continued (TJ Maxx maybe?). |
01-10-2010
( Reply#: 4608 ) |
BobK |
Roger, My wife lived at 4414 Clark all her life and I lived there when I returned from the Army in 66 until 71 when we moved to Highland. I bought the property next door and rented it out and the sister-in-law lived next to that property. |
01-10-2010
( Reply#: 4609 ) |
seejay2 |
This is going back to "Pint Size" again, but does anybody remember these things? I blundered across this pic packing up stuff. I had a bunch more of them: Dracula, Frankenstien and some dude on the guillotine about to get his.
I think I took this with one of those Brownie 110's that we got at the IHB Christmas party. I had money for this stuff?!?!?.....Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/PintSizemodels.jpg[/IMG] |
01-10-2010
( Reply#: 4610 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
I blundered across this pic packing up stuff.....Cj
Packing??
Is the big moving day getting close?
Ken |
01-10-2010
( Reply#: 4611 ) |
seejay2 |
We've been making periodical trips down there and we take as much stuff as we can haul. As far as a 'carved in stone' date goes, we don't have one yet......Cj |
01-10-2010
( Reply#: 4612 ) |
EastHammondBoomer |
Does anyone know the history or name of a little trailer court (mobile home park) located between State Street and Willow Court? It's bounded by the small American Legion bowling on the east, Hammond Pest Control on the south and what I recall as Dick Hoyte's on the west.
As a kid I used to pass this area as I walked to Downtown on State Street. It always amazed me how there was a trailer court nestled in a residential and commercial area. Are these trailers able to be removed? I think there was a used car lot across the street called Kelly's or Mr. Kelly's. Schwinn bike shop was a little further west.
Here's a poor quality Google satelite image I downloaded:
[IMG]http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/EastHammondBoomer/trailerpark.jpg[/IMG]
I DO remember what is now called the Sheffield Estates by what was called Douglas Park. Wasn't there a grocery store in that area called Angelo's?
Though I was never a big fan of Lucy and Desi, my favorite part of the movie "Long, Long Trailer" is when they are nervously hauling the trailer up a steep hill.
Dave G |
01-10-2010
( Reply#: 4614 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
A couple of responses to recent posts:
1.) My sister confirmed that Robert Hall was indeed just SOUTH of Ridge Road on the East side of Indy Blvd--somewhere near Blue Top. I remember getting a nifty pair of wing-tips there in early 1967, when I felt the need for a touch of "cool" (which didn't work).
In far more innocent times, I remember a lovely little cartoon TV ad that would play around Easter time--probably in 1955-56. It showed a field with a tree on the right, and your basic birdies, a bunny, etc and the words "Robert Hall" floating down with a ribbon around them, while a mini-chorus sang "Easter Clothes, Robert Hall"...I kid you not, I still remember the melody.
2.) Seejay's June '63 snap-shot of the Aurora "Creature from Black Lagoon" and "Mummy" was taken when those 2 models were very new. Brother Mike and I bought all of our models from Pint Size too. "Creature" was released around March of '63, and the Mummy in late May. I remember it clearly, since Pint Size got their new shipment of models every Friday. On the last Friday in May '63 (leading into the Memorial Day weekend) I rode my old bike down there and paid my hard-earned 98 cents for the Mummy, which had JUST come in that day. I remember riding back home down Arizona Ave and that the cottonwood trees were going crazy --- it almost looked like snow coming down.
As soon as I have time, I will post my 45-minute video documentary of old Hammond Mom-and-Pop toy stores (on You Tube) that I made in 2005; it contains a whole section on Pint Size.
Larry r |
01-10-2010
( Reply#: 4615 ) |
BobK |
Yes, Angelo's was at the corner of 137th and Sheffield/Hohman. It took a chunk out of the NE corner of the park.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
01-10-2010
( Reply#: 4632 ) |
duane |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
A couple of responses to recent posts:
1.) My sister confirmed that Robert Hall was indeed just SOUTH of Ridge Road on the East side of Indy Blvd--somewhere near Blue Top.
Larry r
You and Sis are quite correct. My mistake. My mom bought clothes there for me, but more often at the Robert Hall in downtown Hammond. |
01-11-2010
( Reply#: 4645 ) |
nitti |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Two questions, please.
Was Shoppers World the place that had separate selling areas for various vendors or types of products somewhat similar to the large flea markets of today?
Did another "Big Box" store open at the intersection of 30 and 41 (NW corner) in the early 1960s?
Thanks, Ken
I remember Shopper's World as the first "non department" discount store to open in the area. They had a donut stand by the check out lines selling "Dunkin Donut" type donuts by the dozen. We always got them - cheaper than bakery donuts. A real treat in those days.
Also - I need help here. There was a hamburger stand on the NE corner of Ridge and 41 in front of Topps. I can't remember their name. When they went out of business they had a 5 cent hamburger sale - Duncanburger size bun, half-dollar size burger - you got what you paid for. |
01-11-2010
( Reply#: 4647 ) |
BobK |
Wasn't it the Golden Point or something like that? H A Gentry Jr (a Mortonite) worked there for awhile and we (a car load) would stop and order and give him $10 as payment and he would give us the food and change of $10. |
01-11-2010
( Reply#: 4648 ) |
nitti |
quote:
Originally posted by BobK
Wasn't it the Golden Point or something like that? H A Gentry Jr (a Mortonite) worked there for awhile and we (a car load) would stop and order and give him $10 as payment and he would give us the food and change of $10.
Golden Point rings a bell - I think that's it. Thanks. |
01-11-2010
( Reply#: 4650 ) |
BobK |
The owner lived in the blonde brick house next to it. |
01-11-2010
( Reply#: 4658 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
This is going back to "Pint Size" again, but does anybody remember these things? ...
Of course.
As a junior high kid, I bought my Frankenstein, Dracula and the Wolf Man at Pint Size.
You can still buy them all on E-Bay. Originals from the early '60s are expensive, later reissues are more affordable. A nicely painted Frankenstein now decorates my bedroom. (Why not? Also proudly displayed there is issue # 1 of "Castle of Frankenstein" magazine.) I also have Dracula, but he's reposing unassembled in his box--haven't found time to paint him properly.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-12-2010
( Reply#: 4660 ) |
B12B12 |
[quote]Originally posted by govenor
I should remember her because she lived near Jim Gasaway. now that's a name i do know... lol remember any wimmer's george , william, chuck ????? |
01-12-2010
( Reply#: 4663 ) |
Roger D |
HEY! BobK sorry it took so long to get back to you. I lived at 4422 Clark St. We moved to Hessville in '57. My best friend lived at the north end of the block. Do you remember the Allens?
Roger D. |
01-12-2010
( Reply#: 4668 ) |
BobK |
No Roger. We, my wife and I, lived there from 66 to 71, and purchased the Bailey's house next door to the north which we rented out. With your address I'm thinking that you lived in one of the apartments to the south of us? I can't remember the owners name but he had wooden sheds across the back of the lots. There was the gas station on the corner, and alley, two apartment buildings and then my in-laws house with a two story house in the back which is where we lived. |
01-12-2010
( Reply#: 4687 ) |
Roger D |
BobK Yes, we lived in the apartment on the alley behind Carl Ostrum's service station. The Allens lived at about 4318 Clark.
I have memories of Montgomery Wards in Munster. My wife and I shopped there alot. In fact our son was an auto mechanic there from sometime in 1990 until Dec. '96.
Roger D
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01-25-2010
( Reply#: 4826 ) |
BobK |
Did anyone here know Ken Madura? He was a classmate of mine at HHS. His Dad owned the gas station on the SE corner of Kennedy and 175th.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
01-25-2010
( Reply#: 4829 ) |
wefles |
I'm a transplant who lived on chestnut near 176th from 1989 to 1998.
My wife Denise (Hayes, Gavit 1983) grew up on Beech a block away.
Does that count in being "from" Hammond, or would that only count for my wife and my last 3 sons who were born when we lived in Hammond? |
01-25-2010
( Reply#: 4830 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by wefles
I'm a transplant who lived on chestnut near 176th from 1989 to 1998.
My wife Denise (Hayes, Gavit 1983) grew up on Beech a block away.
Does that count in being "from" Hammond, or would that only count for my wife and my last 3 sons who were born when we lived in Hammond?
For my part, I say you are an official Region Rat, and I say you are from Hammond.
Tomster |
01-25-2010
( Reply#: 4831 ) |
tom w |
Bob; A couple of years ago when I was studying to be an ordained deacon, our parish priest introduced me to this couple that had just moved here from Hammond. Mr and Mrs Madura had the dance hall at 5 points in Whiting. "Madura's Danceland". Same family? I remember Ken too. Also, we just got a new Polish priest. Where did he come from? You know the Grotto on Ridge Road in Munster? Yep, thats where. My wife and I were touring that grotto one afternoon several years ago when one of the monks locked the gate. We heard the gate and ran out on the balcony and yelled and yelled. No one came. The lights were then turned off and it was pitch black inside. We finally made it down thru three levels of the grotto and over the iron fence that surrounds it. Later on we found out that brother so-and-so was deaf and dumb. Tom W |
01-25-2010
( Reply#: 4832 ) |
BobK |
I used to go to Madura's Danceland but I don't think Ken's parents owned it. It could have been owned by a relative though. I'll check with a mutual friend and find out where Ken lives and if there is any connection with the Danceland.
How did you get out? Run your tin cup across the bars until someone came? |
01-25-2010
( Reply#: 4835 ) |
tom w |
Bob; I climbed over the fence and went to the building with lights on. There was a bunch of monks eating supper. I explained what happened and one of them got a key and we went back and got my wife. He apologized. See, I was gonna say that she threw a dollar out and when I saw it, I tore the gate down.LOL Tom W |
01-25-2010
( Reply#: 4836 ) |
wefles |
I known the som Michael the 4th. Great family. He would tell me about it. |
02-17-2010
( Reply#: 5002 ) |
S C Jones |
Second Annual - Award presented to Jean Shepherd - April 7th, 1981
Below is a copy of the letter Jean Shepherd wrote accepting the award.
2 July 1980
Mr. Edward B. Hayward, Director
Hammond Public Library
564 State Street
Hammond, Indiana 46320
Dear Mr. Hayward:
Of course, I am delighted to accept your invitation to be
the recipient at the second annual Hammond Achievement Award
dinner. I can't tell you how delighted I was when I recieved
your letter, since every artist or performer or whatever has
a secret, usually unfulfilled desire to be at last honored in
his home town.
In fact, yours is the first letter of any sort that I've ever
in all the years recieved from Hammond, good or bad. I have
always had a sneaking suspicion that an undercover Select
Committee of watchful Hammond citizens was operating success-
fully to keep my books, short stories, TV shows, and any mention
of my name out of the records of the town, for their own sinister
purposes.
Hammond, of course, is where I grew up, 2907 Cleveland Street,
Hessville, to be exact. Hammond is also the town that is the
center of all my writing. In fact, not too long ago an inter-
viewer from The New York Times asked me "That do they think of
your work in Hammond?"
I was afraid he'd ask that, so I tried to change the subject
by mentioning that I was a White Sox fan. He persisted, in the
manner of New York Times reporters, until finally, in a fit
of irritation I answered "Well, dammit, man, what do they think
of you in your home town, wherever that is?"
Caught off guard, he answered "Hell, they probably don't even
know I exist." With my impeccable timing, I shot back "Well,
there's your answer." Not to be put off, he gamely came back
with "Come on, after all, you've written two novels, at least
forty short stories, and told on television and radio God knows
how many tales of Hammond, Indiana. They gotta know about you!"
And then, with a look of quiet cool on my face, I calmly
answered "Ahah, my ink-stained wretch, you don't know Hammond."
Needless to say, I am honored deeply by the Award, and I will
be eagerly on hand to accept whatever plaudits Hammond may see
fit to bestow on this graduate of Hammond High, who still has his
sacred purple and white block "H" safely stored away and who
actually remembers the words to the Wildcat fight song.
Hammond, we'll fight for you
Purple victory is our hue.....
Excelsior! Jean Shepherd
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02-17-2010
( Reply#: 5003 ) |
Joel357 |
My dad, mom and I went to the banquet at Wicker Park. My dad talked with him for several minutes. A real nice time that we experienced.
Joel |
02-17-2010
( Reply#: 5004 ) |
S C Jones |
When I saw the letter, it just hit me that while we all were proclaiming our Hammond roots, this particular letter belonged where our roots were proclaimed because the site would not be available 'cept for his genius in portraying his childhood in Hammond/Hessville.
And, Joel, you got to see the guy in person!
quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
My dad, mom and I went to the banquet at Wicker Park. My dad talked with him for several minutes. A real nice time that we experienced.
Joel
|
02-17-2010
( Reply#: 5005 ) |
Joel357 |
and I talked to him on amateur radio 2 meters FM a couple of years before, so did my dad. |
02-22-2010
( Reply#: 5039 ) |
jonjen |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Hello gang -- I need your help on this one. I'm corresponding with a 1956 graduate of Morton who believes Edison school was a high school in the 1950s. As far as I remember, it was always an elementary/junior high school with the eighth grade being the highest. What are your comments on this one?
Thanks.
Ken
I was in 3rd grade (Mrs. Gunderson's class) at Edison in about 1954 and it only went through eighth grade then. |
03-03-2010
( Reply#: 5068 ) |
Joel357 |
Gee it has been painfully quiet here. |
03-03-2010
( Reply#: 5069 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
Gee it has been painfully quiet here.
You got that right! We need someone to stir things up.
Tom |
03-03-2010
( Reply#: 5070 ) |
Joel357 |
How's it going my good friend? |
03-03-2010
( Reply#: 5071 ) |
Joel357 |
Hey, I got some of my dad's old Dunes yearbooks. 1938,1939 and 1941 |
03-04-2010
( Reply#: 5072 ) |
FloridaKelly |
Hey, I think Shep graduated it either 1944 or 1945 from HHS. I remember seeing his picture when I worked on the Dunes staff. I have a 1938 Dunes and he's not in that year.
Kelly |
03-04-2010
( Reply#: 5073 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Who you gonna call!!!!! Maybe its the time of the year. Several other sites I visit often are also dead of late. I wonder what is going on. I love this site and want to see some activity!quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
Gee it has been painfully quiet here.
You got that right! We need someone to stir things up.
Tom
|
03-04-2010
( Reply#: 5074 ) |
Joel357 |
Kelly,
He is listed as a junior in the 1938, as with my dad Jack Miner. Also, if you find the picture of Hi-Y club, you'll see a picture of Shep there. His senior picture is in the 1939 Dunes yearbook and he is shown in the orchestra with his tuba.
Joel |
03-04-2010
( Reply#: 5075 ) |
Joel357 |
Kelly,
I have the 1938 Dunes yearbook and Shep's picture is on page 40, row 10 and is the last picture in that row(15). His picture in Hi Y is on page 79.
Joel |
03-05-2010
( Reply#: 5076 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Joel, Any chance you could show us those pictures?quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
Kelly,
I have the 1938 Dunes yearbook and Shep's picture is on page 40, row 10 and is the last picture in that row(15). His picture in Hi Y is on page 79.
Joel
|
03-06-2010
( Reply#: 5078 ) |
Joel357 |
Jim,
It is on www.flicklives.com , you might want to check it out there as I don't have a scanner.If you enlarge the picture you'll find my dad in the photos.
Joel |
03-06-2010
( Reply#: 5079 ) |
Joel357 |
the link is photos of Shep. My dad is in row 5 and the 6th picture. |
03-06-2010
( Reply#: 5080 ) |
FloridaKelly |
Thanks, Joel for the info.
I have the 1938 Dunes yearbook and Shep's picture is on page 40, row 10 and is the last picture in that row(15). His picture in Hi Y is on page 79.
Joel
[/quote] |
03-06-2010
( Reply#: 5081 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Thanks, Joel. I noticed my photos of the oringinal Flicks Tap location are still there.quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
Jim,
It is on www.flicklives.com , you might want to check it out there as I don't have a scanner.If you enlarge the picture you'll find my dad in the photos.
Joel
|
03-06-2010
( Reply#: 5082 ) |
Joel357 |
As a Purdue Cal student, my friends and I used to go to Flicks evry so often. |
03-08-2010
( Reply#: 5093 ) |
Jim Plummer |
I know this sounds strange, but I've never been in there. I assume its just a neighborhood bar; is it? Is there anything that indicates its place in Shep history? As a matter of fact, I never went to any of the taverns in Hessville. When I was at Purdue extension we use to go to the Rose & Crown in Cal City and the bar in the bowling alley at 165th and Columbia ave.quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
As a Purdue Cal student, my friends and I used to go to Flicks evry so often.
|
03-08-2010
( Reply#: 5095 ) |
nitti |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
I know this sounds strange, but I've never been in there. I assume its just a neighborhood bar; is it? Is there anything that indicates its place in Shep history? As a matter of fact, I never went to any of the taverns in Hessville. When I was at Purdue extension we use to go to the Rose & Crown in Cal City and the bar in the bowling alley at 165th and Columbia ave.quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
As a Purdue Cal student, my friends and I used to go to Flicks evry so often.
Unfortunately the original Flick's is boarded up - after it moved north into a buiding that once housed a little restaurant called the "Nook", the original site went through a series of reincarnations known mostly for violence and mayhem. After the last shooting, it was closed down - possibly never to re-open. |
03-09-2010
( Reply#: 5096 ) |
Jim Plummer |
There was a litte grocery store in that building called Dicks. My mother would send me for milk because they were cheaper than 'The Fruit Stand' [further North one Kennedy ave] Once I broke one of the gallon jugs and they let me have another one.quote:
Originally posted by nitti
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
I know this sounds strange, but I've never been in there. I assume its just a neighborhood bar; is it? Is there anything that indicates its place in Shep history? As a matter of fact, I never went to any of the taverns in Hessville. When I was at Purdue extension we use to go to the Rose & Crown in Cal City and the bar in the bowling alley at 165th and Columbia ave.quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
As a Purdue Cal student, my friends and I used to go to Flicks evry so often.
Unfortunately the original Flick's is boarded up - after it moved north into a buiding that once housed a little restaurant called the "Nook", the original site went through a series of reincarnations known mostly for violence and mayhem. After the last shooting, it was closed down - possibly never to re-open.
|
04-09-2010
( Reply#: 5285 ) |
Saito_56 |
quote:
Originally posted by EastHammondBoomer
BTW, I have an old picture (circa 60's) of Shoppers World (for some reason I thought it was Shoppers Fair) which if I recall was just over the bridge past the K-Mart on Indianapolis Blvd. Wasn't there a "Topps" store there, too? I tried posting the photo but I don't have the url.
Dave G
Hi, New to the forum, and had to reply. Shoppers World was on Indianapolis Blvd. Just to the south of Ridge Road. My wife worked there in the late 60's, and now where the Ultra is, there use to be a Topps, I use to work there in 1971.
Rather be living in Indiana |
04-09-2010
( Reply#: 5286 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by Saito_56
quote:
Originally posted by EastHammondBoomer
BTW, I have an old picture (circa 60's) of Shoppers World (for some reason I thought it was Shoppers Fair) which if I recall was just over the bridge past the K-Mart on Indianapolis Blvd. Wasn't there a "Topps" store there, too? I tried posting the photo but I don't have the url.
Dave G
Hi, New to the forum, and had to reply. Shoppers World was on Indianapolis Blvd. Just to the south of Ridge Road. My wife worked there in the late 60's, and now where the Ultra is, there use to be a Topps, I use to work there in 1971.
Rather be living in Indiana
Hi, Bob! Welcome to Sheptalk! I hope you will be a prolific poster.
Tell us a little about yourself.
Tom
P.S. Did you mean to say that Shoppers World was just NORTH of Ridge Road?
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04-09-2010
( Reply#: 5287 ) |
Saito_56 |
quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
quote:
Originally posted by Saito_56
quote:
Originally posted by EastHammondBoomer
BTW, I have an old picture (circa 60's) of Shoppers World (for some reason I thought it was Shoppers Fair) which if I recall was just over the bridge past the K-Mart on Indianapolis Blvd. Wasn't there a "Topps" store there, too? I tried posting the photo but I don't have the url.
Dave G
Hi, New to the forum, and had to reply. Shoppers World was on Indianapolis Blvd. Just to the south of Ridge Road. My wife worked there in the late 60's, and now where the Ultra is, there use to be a Topps, I use to work there in 1971.
Rather be living in Indiana
Hi, Bob! Welcome to Sheptalk! I hope you will be a prolific poster.
Tell us a little about yourself.
Tom
P.S. Did you mean to say that Shoppers World was just NORTH of Ridge Road?
Shoppers World, was north of Ridge Rd. at the base of the overpass of the Railroad Tracks. (probably now pulled out)
About me? OK you asked for it! Seriously, I was born at St. Margaret's in Hammond in 1949, lived in Black Oak until 1968 when I got a apartment in Hessville. Married my wife in 1968, (she was from Munster) got drafted in the spring of 1969, spent a year in Vietnam with the First Cav. shooting artillery, came home, went back to work for the B&O RR in Riverdale, bought a house in Hammond, moved to Schererville in 1983, and in 1992 was transfered to Florida where I worked until June of 2009 when I retired. Whew![IMG]http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/Saito56/Flagler/vn0002.jpg[/IMG]
Rather be living in Indiana |
04-09-2010
( Reply#: 5288 ) |
Tom J |
Bob:
Cool beans! I was born at St. Margaret's in 1949 also. June 2, 1949, to be exact.
I managed to avoid military service through a college deferment and then a high lottery number, but I thank you for your service.
Tom |
04-09-2010
( Reply#: 5289 ) |
Saito_56 |
I consider Vietnam a great learning experience that I would do again. The real thanks go to today's military. Some are serving a second, third or fourth tour in the middle east.
Rather be living in Indiana |
04-09-2010
( Reply#: 5296 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
SAITO--
Welcome to Sheptalk, and thanks for your service to your country.
Hope we'll hear a lot from you. In the meantime, here's a cool pic of Shopper's World from the early '60's; it's been posted already on Sheptalk, but I can't remember under which thread/topic. Shopper's World opened (I believe) in 1960--I still remember what a big "night out" event it was for our family to go shopping there. It was 'da Region's first big-box store, followed soon after by TOPPS, on the south end of the same lot.
Larry R
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/ShoppersWorld.jpg[/IMG] |
04-10-2010
( Reply#: 5298 ) |
Roger D |
BOB - Welcome to the forum. My wife grew up in Black Oak. She was born in '48 in Ky. Her dad moved north looking for work, as so many did, in '51. She lived there until '61 or '62. Then moved to Griffith. She lived on 23rd two blocks east of Cline by the train tracks.
My aunt worked for Shoppers World.
Once again welcome!
Roger
|
04-10-2010
( Reply#: 5304 ) |
duane |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
SAITO--
Welcome to Sheptalk, and thanks for your service to your country.
Hope we'll hear a lot from you. In the meantime, here's a cool pic of Shopper's World from the early '60's; it's been posted already on Sheptalk, but I can't remember under which thread/topic. Shopper's World opened (I believe) in 1960--I still remember what a big "night out" event it was for our family to go shopping there. It was 'da Region's first big-box store, followed soon after by TOPPS, on the south end of the same lot.
Larry R
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/ShoppersWorld.jpg[/IMG]
If I remember correctly, Shopper World and Topps were not opened for business on Sundays, in accordance with the Blue Laws. Topps challenged that sometime in the 1960's and the manager was promptly arrested. Soon after, the Blue Laws began to fall and stores were then opened on Sundays. A different era back then, not without its problems such as discrimination, but over the years, we've both made progress on some issues but certainly lost a lot of good along the way as well. |
04-11-2010
( Reply#: 5306 ) |
Jim Plummer |
I think I remember going to Shopper World on a Sunday with my parents and buying a Jonathon Winters LP which I still have. Shoppers World was made up of individual venders I think. My favorite was the guy who sold records cheaper than Millicans. I think he just had LPs. Topps was just south and I think ran them out of business. I saw Jayne Mansfield and 007's Aston-Martin there once. Jayne must have been desperate for income at that point. |
04-11-2010
( Reply#: 5307 ) |
nitti |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
I think I remember going to Shopper World on a Sunday with my parents and buying a Jonathon Winters LP which I still have. Shoppers World was made up of individual venders I think. My favorite was the guy who sold records cheaper than Millicans. I think he just had LPs. Topps was just south and I think ran them out of business. I saw Jayne Mansfield and 007's Aston-Martin there once. Jayne must have been desperate for income at that point.
We need to wait for others to weigh in, but I remember when it opened. It set the business model for the k-marts of the world.It was the death of the department store. Cheap building - broken into sections by product. Almost completely self service. (donut stand across from cashiers - our treat for being "good" in the store)
You may be remembering the end - they might have run in a flea market format before they completely closed.
Also Topps burned down while Shoppers World was still there. I don't think they rebuilt - but can't remember.
|
04-11-2010
( Reply#: 5308 ) |
duane |
I agree. Shoppers world was like an early Kmart. It was only after Shopper's world closed that it became a flea market. Topps did burn down, but I believe it was rebuilt and re-opened as Topps, and I believe that ultimately it did run Shoppers World out of business. Remember when Shopper's world put up all those tall billboards on the south end of their parking lot to try to shield the view of Topps - like people wouldn't know it was there?
On another note - I've seen a few folks refer to Shopper's World as Shopper's Fair (I've done it myself and had to make edits). In other parts of the country (as in MN where I now live) it was Shoppers Fair, perhaps another division, but I'm not really sure. They were very similar stores. |
04-11-2010
( Reply#: 5309 ) |
Saito_56 |
quote:
Originally posted by nitti
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
I think I remember going to Shopper World on a Sunday with my parents and buying a Jonathon Winters LP which I still have. Shoppers World was made up of individual venders I think. My favorite was the guy who sold records cheaper than Millicans. I think he just had LPs. Topps was just south and I think ran them out of business. I saw Jayne Mansfield and 007's Aston-Martin there once. Jayne must have been desperate for income at that point.
We need to wait for others to weigh in, but I remember when it opened. It set the business model for the k-marts of the world.It was the death of the department store. Cheap building - broken into sections by product. Almost completely self service. (donut stand across from cashiers - our treat for being "good" in the store)
You may be remembering the end - they might have run in a flea market format before they completely closed.
Also Topps burned down while Shoppers World was still there. I don't think they rebuilt - but can't remember.
My wife worked at Shoppers World in 1971, and it was still like a K-Mart. I think it was shortly afterwards that it started to fall apart and went to the flea market style.
I don't recall the fire at Topps, but I do know that I had a part time job there after returning from the Army in 1970. Money was needed, and I worked a few part time jobs to get back on our feet. The Army didn't pay very well in 1969 or 1970.
Rather be living in Indiana |
04-11-2010
( Reply#: 5313 ) |
nitti |
quote:
Originally posted by Saito_56
quote:
Originally posted by nitti
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
I think I remember going to Shopper World on a Sunday with my parents and buying a Jonathon Winters LP which I still have. Shoppers World was made up of individual venders I think. My favorite was the guy who sold records cheaper than Millicans. I think he just had LPs. Topps was just south and I think ran them out of business. I saw Jayne Mansfield and 007's Aston-Martin there once. Jayne must have been desperate for income at that point.
We need to wait for others to weigh in, but I remember when it opened. It set the business model for the k-marts of the world.It was the death of the department store. Cheap building - broken into sections by product. Almost completely self service. (donut stand across from cashiers - our treat for being "good" in the store)
You may be remembering the end - they might have run in a flea market format before they completely closed.
Also Topps burned down while Shoppers World was still there. I don't think they rebuilt - but can't remember.
My wife worked at Shoppers World in 1971, and it was still like a K-Mart. I think it was shortly afterwards that it started to fall apart and went to the flea market style.
I don't recall the fire at Topps, but I do know that I had a part time job there after returning from the Army in 1970. Money was needed, and I worked a few part time jobs to get back on our feet. The Army didn't pay very well in 1969 or 1970.
Rather be living in Indiana
OK gang - I need more help. My wife used to go to Tittle's a meat market. I remember the name not the place. She says it was next to Shopper's World. Anyone remember?? |
04-11-2010
( Reply#: 5314 ) |
Tom J |
I remember a Tittle's on Hohman across from Harrison Park. I didn't know there was ever one by Shopper's World.
Tom |
04-11-2010
( Reply#: 5315 ) |
BobK |
I don't recall on there either. Was it a Tittles store on the NW corner of US 30 and Indianapolis? There was one at US 20 & IN 51.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5316 ) |
tom w |
This probably wont help but in the fourties, Joe Tittle had a store on State St close to Calumet I think. It was a cream colored store front with a red lettered sign. I worked at Topps and dont think there was anything on that corner except Topps and Shoppers World.
Does anyone remember Big Top? Tom W |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5319 ) |
LegulusQ |
I remember riding my bike from Hessville out to Shopper's World to buy the Beatles' Yesterday and Today album the day it came out (at least in da Region)! Still didn't get the "Butcher" cover, though. I still have my original copy. I never did try to steam off the cover.....Hmmm.....nah, probably just ruin a vintage record!
LegulusQ |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5322 ) |
Jim Plummer |
I'm thinking that prior to Shopper's World which was a discount store there was another business in that building which was made up of individual vendors renting space. I seem to recall that prices were cheaper in Topps than Shoppers Worldby quite a bit. There was a Shoppers Fair store in Gary at one point. These stores are what killed downtown Hammond since they were not surrounded by railroad tracks and offered free easy parking. |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5323 ) |
BobK |
Although I think it may have been a turning point in shopping outside of downtown, I think the nail in the coffin was River Oaks.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img] |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5324 ) |
Joel357 |
It's just a shame they tore down all those beuatiful buildings. |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5325 ) |
Jim Z |
I think this is my 2nd post on here...just joined yesterday thanks to the Tomster. I have fond memories of River Oaks when it first opened (Ok shoot me...lol). Actually it was a beautiful open air mall. Didn't they have a Kroch and Bretano's Book Store? Anyhoo, I remember in the late 1960s going to free sumer concerts at night on I think Tuesdays and sitting on the steps somewhere in the middle of the mall....I guess it was a marketing ploy but it has stuck with me all of these years. Best, jim
quote:
Originally posted by BobK
Although I think it may have been a turning point in shopping outside of downtown, I think the nail in the coffin was River Oaks.
Bob
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Bob1.jpg[/img]
Jim Zacny |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5326 ) |
Roger D |
That was VanTils at 30 & 41 (Indy Blvd.) Soon to be Strack & VanTils. |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5327 ) |
Joel357 |
Jim Z, there was a Kroch and Brentanos at River Oaks and me being from a technical family, we used to go to Allied Radio. Anyone remember EDI? Neil Barry owned it. |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5328 ) |
Paddy |
[quote]Originally posted by Tom J
I remember a Tittle's on Hohman across from Harrison Park./quote]
Yep. It was kitty corner from the library on the south end of Harrison Park.
I worked at that Tittle's during my Sophomore and Junior years at Bishop Noll. Thinking back to those days, I remember an incident that could have completely changed my life.
After bagging groceries and stocking shelves, I graduated to the produce department. Tittle's got their produce from a Hammond wholesaler who sent a truck to the Water Street produce market twice a week to pick up produce for the five Tittle's stores. Being an adventurous kid, I asked the driver if I could ride with him and see what the Water Street market looked like. He left at 3 AM, but the Hammond store was his first stop and I reckoned that I could get back in time for school.
On the appointed day, I arrived at the wholesalers to ride along, only to find that the driver had failed to show up. The owner looked at me and asked, "Can you drive this truck?" Having just turned 16, my driver's license was a mere three months old. But I had learned to drive on a stick shift car, and I figured that the truck was just a larger version of my brother-in-law's Nash Rambler where he taught me to drive. So I said,"Sure."
I got the thing into first gear and pulled out of the garage like I knew what I was doing, and the subsequent gear grinding occurred after I was out of earshot. There was no traffic at that time of morning, and I feeling like an experienced trucker by the time I got onto State Street and proceeded north.
My experience at the Water Street market is a story unto itself, but the potential life-changing event occurred on my way back to Hammond.
Being an "experienced trucker" when I arrived at the market, I figured that the trip back would be even easier. But I had no idea about how a truck loaded with 16 tons of produce changed the braking distance.
As I was driving south on State Street, I approached a red light and began braking - just as a school crossing guard was sending a group of grade school kids into my path. I jammed the brakes as hard as I could. Fortunately, I stopped before I hit anyone, but I was close enough that the kids had literally disappeared from my vision over the hood.
I lucked out that day. I got the truck back to the Tittle's on Hohman and the produce wholesaler had a replacement driver to finish the route. But when I recall that moment, I wonder what would have happened to my life if I had crashed into those kids. |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5329 ) |
Tom J |
Wow, Paddy, that would give me nightmares! So glad that you get stopped in time.
Tom |
04-12-2010
( Reply#: 5330 ) |
duane |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
I'm thinking that prior to Shopper's World which was a discount store there was another business in that building which was made up of individual vendors renting space.
Perhaps, but I have no recollection of that. Shopper's World is the company that built the building IIRC. However, once Shopper's World failed, there was a type of flea market there, and later individual smaller stores. I always wondered why Shopper's World needed a water tower, which would believe one to believe that perhaps there was some sort of industrial factory there, but again, IIRC Shopper's World built the water tower predominantly as an advertising sign, high enough that it could be seen from a long way North and South on Indy Blvd. |
04-13-2010
( Reply#: 5334 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
I worked as a sales/floor guy at the River Oaks Kroch's and Brentano's off and on from 1973-77. I think I was paid $2 an hour; no----correction---it was $2.10.
Bob K. is right - River Oaks was the beginning of the end for downtown Hammond. The city's business district was able to withstand the competition from the Woodmar Shopping Center and the stores in Highland...but not R.O. I recall when it opened in the fall of '66, shopping at R.O. was "the" thing to do for all of my classmates at Noll. All part of the post-WWII move away from the big cities and into the suburbs.
Paddy-- a well-told story about your trucking experience; I was on the edge of my seat. |
04-13-2010
( Reply#: 5340 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Z
I think this is my 2nd post on here...just joined yesterday thanks to the Tomster. I have fond memories of River Oaks when it first opened (Ok shoot me...lol). Actually it was a beautiful open air mall. Didn't they have a Kroch and Bretano's Book Store? Anyhoo, I remember in the late 1960s going to free sumer concerts at night on I think Tuesdays and sitting on the steps somewhere in the middle of the mall....I guess it was a marketing ploy but it has stuck with me all of these years. Best, jim
Jim Zacny
I remember going to one concert there in the late '60s with my wife and oldest son. I believe it was Count Basie and his orchestra, and it was held in the parking lot on the east side of the shopping center. Does anyone remember that?
Ken O'Neal |
04-13-2010
( Reply#: 5341 ) |
Jim Z |
I think a lot of us have "what ifs"? Thanks for sharing your story. My what if...I will tell briefly but it haunts me to this day...what if? I am divorced now but at the time (15 years ago) I was married and my wife had tried to start a computer training biz at our home in Highland and it did not work out (she is highly successful now and am very happy for her) but she had a big Xerox copier in the "training room." One of our sons wanted the room for a bedroom so we were going the copier contraption to the basement. I got a dolly but am a nerd...I do not know how to wrap things with dollys (like the U-Haul ones)...and I did a half-baked job. So we were going to put it in the basement. So my older son and my wife were on on the third step of the basement stairs supposedly guiding this big monstrosity that was in FRONT of them..while I was BEHIND it with the dolly and after the first step had 200 pounds of weight on me and I knew I was going to lose it...and I said STOP...my mind is a bit fuzzy after that....I may have told them to get out of the way...but I pulled with all of my stength to get that Xerox machine back on the main floor. I coulda killed my wife and one of my sons. On one Saturday morning just trying to get a room ready for one of my sons so it could be his bedroom. The stuff that tragic accidents are made out of...in retrospect I could not believe I would have been so stupid...anyhoo, am rambling. They are alive and well and happy campers!
quote:
Originally posted by Paddy
[quote]Originally posted by Tom J
I remember a Tittle's on Hohman across from Harrison Park./quote]
Yep. It was kitty corner from the library on the south end of Harrison Park.
I worked at that Tittle's during my Sophomore and Junior years at Bishop Noll. Thinking back to those days, I remember an incident that could have completely changed my life.
After bagging groceries and stocking shelves, I graduated to the produce department. Tittle's got their produce from a Hammond wholesaler who sent a truck to the Water Street produce market twice a week to pick up produce for the five Tittle's stores. Being an adventurous kid, I asked the driver if I could ride with him and see what the Water Street market looked like. He left at 3 AM, but the Hammond store was his first stop and I reckoned that I could get back in time for school.
On the appointed day, I arrived at the wholesalers to ride along, only to find that the driver had failed to show up. The owner looked at me and asked, "Can you drive this truck?" Having just turned 16, my driver's license was a mere three months old. But I had learned to drive on a stick shift car, and I figured that the truck was just a larger version of my brother-in-law's Nash Rambler where he taught me to drive. So I said,"Sure."
I got the thing into first gear and pulled out of the garage like I knew what I was doing, and the subsequent gear grinding occurred after I was out of earshot. There was no traffic at that time of morning, and I feeling like an experienced trucker by the time I got onto State Street and proceeded north.
My experience at the Water Street market is a story unto itself, but the potential life-changing event occurred on my way back to Hammond.
Being an "experienced trucker" when I arrived at the market, I figured that the trip back would be even easier. But I had no idea about how a truck loaded with 16 tons of produce changed the braking distance.
As I was driving south on State Street, I approached a red light and began braking - just as a school crossing guard was sending a group of grade school kids into my path. I jammed the brakes as hard as I could. Fortunately, I stopped before I hit anyone, but I was close enough that the kids had literally disappeared from my vision over the hood.
I lucked out that day. I got the truck back to the Tittle's on Hohman and the produce wholesaler had a replacement driver to finish the route. But when I recall that moment, I wonder what would have happened to my life if I had crashed into those kids.
Jim Zacny |
04-13-2010
( Reply#: 5342 ) |
Jim Z |
Kroch's was a great bookstore (and the one in Chicago..omg). It was the last independent bookstore in NW Indiana. Kroch's had a special first edition club...I may have one of them. But it was a well respected bookstore as you know HBS!
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
I worked as a sales/floor guy at the River Oaks Kroch's and Brentano's off and on from 1973-77. I think I was paid $2 an hour; no----correction---it was $2.10.
Bob K. is right - River Oaks was the beginning of the end for downtown Hammond. The city's business district was able to withstand the competition from the Woodmar Shopping Center and the stores in Highland...but not R.O. I recall when it opened in the fall of '66, shopping at R.O. was "the" thing to do for all of my classmates at Noll. All part of the post-WWII move away from the big cities and into the suburbs.
Paddy-- a well-told story about your trucking experience; I was on the edge of my seat.
Jim Zacny |
04-13-2010
( Reply#: 5343 ) |
Jim Z |
I may have been there...it rings a bell but then of course Count Basie in general rings a bell. You live in WV...I got my grad degree at WVU and saw some parts of wild wonderful WV. But my heart is out for the miner's families....
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Z
I think this is my 2nd post on here...just joined yesterday thanks to the Tomster. I have fond memories of River Oaks when it first opened (Ok shoot me...lol). Actually it was a beautiful open air mall. Didn't they have a Kroch and Bretano's Book Store? Anyhoo, I remember in the late 1960s going to free sumer concerts at night on I think Tuesdays and sitting on the steps somewhere in the middle of the mall....I guess it was a marketing ploy but it has stuck with me all of these years. Best, jim
Jim Zacny
I remember going to one concert there in the late '60s with my wife and oldest son. I believe it was Count Basie and his orchestra, and it was held in the parking lot on the east side of the shopping center. Does anyone remember that?
Ken O'Neal
Jim Zacny |
04-14-2010
( Reply#: 5349 ) |
Jim Plummer |
I remember EDI. You could spend hours and find amazing tubes and parts in there. I worked in a tv shop part time around the corner from it and we were always getting parts there.I remember seeing Rick Nelson and The Stone Canyon Band at River Oaks one Summer evening. You guys are right it was River Oaks that killed downtown. I think the close proximity was also a factor. And you could avoid railroad tracks if you came in from the south. |
04-14-2010
( Reply#: 5351 ) |
Joel357 |
Yeah, my dad/grandfather were good friends with Neal(Snuffy)and our shop was at 7331 Calumet til 1980 when we moved to Munster. |
04-22-2010
( Reply#: 5402 ) |
Jim Z |
Yes I remember EDI...wasn't it next to the stamp and coin store on Calumet Avenue?
quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
Jim Z, there was a Kroch and Brentanos at River Oaks and me being from a technical family, we used to go to Allied Radio. Anyone remember EDI? Neil Barry owned it.
Jim Zacny |
04-22-2010
( Reply#: 5403 ) |
Joel357 |
Yes Jim Z, I believe across from Edison School
Joel |
04-22-2010
( Reply#: 5404 ) |
Paddy |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
You guys are right it was River Oaks that killed downtown.
I respectfully disagree. River Oaks and Woodmar Shopping Center were not the causes of downtown Hammond's decline. Rather, they were a result of the real cause, automobiles.
If you were to see an aerial view of Hammond in the 1930's-1950's, you would see block after block of homes without garages. The bulk of Hammond residents were working class folks, and very few of them owned cars. We lived at 4842 Beech Street until I was 10 years old, and I recall that only four familes in the two-block stretch between Hoffman and 150th owned cars.
Like the majority of Hammondites, my parents used their feet or the bus line to get to work, grocery stores, the doctor, etc. My father did not get a drivers license until after I did at age sixteen (1956).
At the same time that auto ownership in Hammond was increasing, passenger train travel was decreasing. The rail freight yards and their switch engines became the new culprit of RR crossing delays.
The Hammond city fathers responded to the clash between cars and clogged railway crossings by constructing more viaducts. By that time, it was too late to save downtown Hammond from the societal changes that the automobile brought to all of our neighborhoods. |
04-22-2010
( Reply#: 5405 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Reminds me of my favorite dialogue from "Fiddler on the Roof". Three guys are arguing and the wise Tevye is listening. The 1st guy makes his point; Tevye comments: "He's right". Then the 2nd guy makes his point, which directly contradicts the 1st guy; Tevye responds: "He's right, too." So the 3rd guy interrupts and asks Tevye:" He's right? and He's right?...How can they both be right??", to which Tevye calmly responds: "You know, you are also right...."
The point is--we're ALL correct about this; the entire dynamic of society changed after the War. The new sense of optimism and financial opportunity for all of the young families that had grown up in the depression resulted in tons of new cars sold, which made it possible for people to move away from the cities and into new houses that made up the new suburbs. And once the population had expanded into the suburbs, it was only a matter of time 'til the city's big stores followed them out to the suburbs, in the form of shopping centers (Woodmar in 1954, Shopper's World in 1960, etc). So it was one, continuous set of circumstances that all "fed off" of one another.
STILL, downtown Hammond was able to hold its own (the big new Rothchild's store opened downtwon as late as April, 1965)--until River Oaks opened in 1966. So, in a very real way, R.O. was the beginning of the end, the final blow, the big nail in the coffin of the city.
LR |
04-23-2010
( Reply#: 5413 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Ok so there were two EDI's. We had an electronic parts store in Hessville named EDI. It was just off Kennedy Ave and was massive.quote:
Originally posted by Jim Z
Yes I remember EDI...wasn't it next to the stamp and coin store on Calumet Avenue?
quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
Jim Z, there was a Kroch and Brentanos at River Oaks and me being from a technical family, we used to go to Allied Radio. Anyone remember EDI? Neil Barry owned it.
Jim Zacny
|
04-23-2010
( Reply#: 5414 ) |
Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Paddy
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
You guys are right it was River Oaks that killed downtown.
I respectfully disagree. River Oaks and Woodmar Shopping Center were not the causes of downtown Hammond's decline. Rather, they were a result of the real cause, automobiles.
If you were to see an aerial view of Hammond in the 1930's-1950's, you would see block after block of homes without garages. The bulk of Hammond residents were working class folks, and very few of them owned cars. We lived at 4842 Beech Street until I was 10 years old, and I recall that only four familes in the two-block stretch between Hoffman and 150th owned cars.
Like the majority of Hammondites, my parents used their feet or the bus line to get to work, grocery stores, the doctor, etc. My father did not get a drivers license until after I did at age sixteen (1956).
At the same time that auto ownership in Hammond was increasing, passenger train travel was decreasing. The rail freight yards and their switch engines became the new culprit of RR crossing delays.
The Hammond city fathers responded to the clash between cars and clogged railway crossings by constructing more viaducts. By that time, it was too late to save downtown Hammond from the societal changes that the automobile brought to all of our neighborhoods.
You summed up the demise of downtown Hammond in the most probable way as far as I'm concerned. Also, I can think of two more influences:
#1 - The Hammond busses went on strike, and that put them out of business.
#2 - Regarding the River Oaks and Woodmar shopping malls, didn't they have more of an impact after they enclosed their malls? |
04-24-2010
( Reply#: 5454 ) |
Jim Plummer |
I think they had an impact from day one. I think the free parking and lack of trains made the big difference. My mother wouldn't pay the extra sales tax in Ill. but Woodmar was very conveinient for shopping. Minas's even had a River Oaks store. |
05-02-2010
( Reply#: 5517 ) |
Larry51 |
Hey people!! There was a TITTLES Store at the Shoppers World building. It was run as a separate store. On the EAST end of the main building. It was known for the meats. |
05-03-2010
( Reply#: 5520 ) |
Tom J |
Welcome, Larry51! Glad you have joined us.
Tom |
05-10-2010
( Reply#: 5536 ) |
tom w |
There was an EDI in the old Krogers on Chicago Avenue in East Chicago as well. Tom W |
05-10-2010
( Reply#: 5538 ) |
Joel357 |
Tom W,
Was that where Acro Electronics was? East of Bishop Noll?
Joel |
05-10-2010
( Reply#: 5539 ) |
tom w |
I stand corrected. You are absolutely correct. Thank you. Tom W |
05-12-2010
( Reply#: 5557 ) |
Jim |
Here is a link to a Google Earth map of Hessville with many of our old haunts marked. Feel free to look around, and use the street view to see how it is today. Numerous photos from here and elswhere have been included. Email or post new locations you would like added or if you have any corrections.
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=102416397245968856895.00048657955f700376bd4&ll=41.604661,-87.466879&spn=0.046145,0.076818&t=h&z=14[/url] |
05-15-2010
( Reply#: 5565 ) |
wvcogs |
Julian Rasmussen in the Dairy Queen photo!!! He was my favorite teacher even though I never had him for a class. This must have been an ad in one of the Top Hat yearbooks.
Good work Jim.
Ken |
05-17-2010
( Reply#: 5568 ) |
Jim Plummer |
anybody know the two students in the photo with Mr R? |
05-17-2010
( Reply#: 5570 ) |
Jim |
That would be Marty Olsen and Jerry Farster. |
05-17-2010
( Reply#: 5571 ) |
Jim |
Would anyone want to venture a guess as to who these 2 young ladies are?
Hint: Their stepfather used to pick them up after school in a white convertible with the top down.
[url]http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/jamesbucko/Hessville/Guess.jpg[/url] |
05-18-2010
( Reply#: 5572 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Julian Rasmussen in the Dairy Queen photo!!! He was my favorite teacher even though I never had him for a class. This must have been an ad in one of the Top Hat yearbooks.
Good work Jim.
Ken
Since we've got another Julian Rasmussen thing going here, I'll post his pic from the Morton Top-Hat, 1968-69. I shudder to think of what it is he's working on here....
LR
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/MrRaz0001.jpg[/IMG] |
05-18-2010
( Reply#: 5573 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Thanks, Larry, for the wonderful photo of Mr. Rasmussen! Not sure exactly what animal that is in the dissecting tray.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
05-22-2010
( Reply#: 5576 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Great photo! I'm guessing it's a rat. Mr. R's warm personality sure come through in that photo
Thanks Jim for answering my last question! |
05-22-2010
( Reply#: 5577 ) |
Jim |
Next clue:
They are sisters, Paulette and Georgette.
quote:
Originally posted by Jim
Would anyone want to venture a guess as to who these 2 young ladies are?
Hint: Their stepfather used to pick them up after school in a white convertible with the top down.
[url]http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/jamesbucko/Hessville/Guess.jpg[/url]
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05-28-2010
( Reply#: 5609 ) |
Jim |
The Paulsin girls attended Morton High School in 1962 and 1963. And, they were picked up after school by their step-father JEAN SHEPARD.
quote:
Originally posted by Jim
Next clue:
They are sisters, Paulette and Georgette.
quote:
Originally posted by Jim
Would anyone want to venture a guess as to who these 2 young ladies are?
Hint: Their stepfather used to pick them up after school in a white convertible with the top down.
[url]http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/jamesbucko/Hessville/Guess.jpg[/url]
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05-29-2010
( Reply#: 5614 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Wasn't there also a George Paulsen about 1963, who appeared in 'Simon, King Of The Witches'? |
05-29-2010
( Reply#: 5618 ) |
Jim |
Yes he was. The following is from IMDB.com and would indicate that Jean may have been the uncle, not the stepfather.
"George Paulsin is the son of singer Dee Shepherd. His sisters are Georgette Mossbacher (CEO of Borghese Cosmetics and co-chair of the Finance Committee the Republican National Committee. Other sisters are model Lyn Paulsin and Melody Dwyer. Their father George Paulsin died in a 1959 automobile crash. His stepfather Randy Shepherd is the brother of writer Jean Shepherd."
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06-01-2010
( Reply#: 5634 ) |
Thawk9632 |
quote:
Originally posted by nitti
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
I know this sounds strange, but I've never been in there. I assume its just a neighborhood bar; is it? Is there anything that indicates its place in Shep history? As a matter of fact, I never went to any of the taverns in Hessville. When I was at Purdue extension we use to go to the Rose & Crown in Cal City and the bar in the bowling alley at 165th and Columbia ave.quote:
Originally posted by Joel357
As a Purdue Cal student, my friends and I used to go to Flicks evry so often.
Unfortunately the original Flick's is boarded up - after it moved north into a buiding that once housed a little restaurant called the "Nook", the original site went through a series of reincarnations known mostly for violence and mayhem. After the last shooting, it was closed down - possibly never to re-open.
This is thawk9632 i remember when the Nook was called the Huddle Restuarant,accross the street from The Idle Hour Lounge |
06-01-2010
( Reply#: 5635 ) |
Thawk9632 |
quote:
Originally posted by James Hunt
Very fun site, brought back a lot of great memories, thanks to all those that have contributed.
I grew up in Hessville on California Avenue very near Hessville Park, lived there from 1956 until 1973.
Summers were the best times. Would leave the house in the morning and not come back until dinner. I would often get a dime from my mom and go to the Hessville Park pool. Does anyone remember those baskets you would keep your street clothes in and the metal pin you would pin to your bathing suit with the basket number on it?Hi Iam thawk962,Yes i do remember it well,i used to take the pins and switch baskets,and what we did with the Baby Ruth candy bars,let them float in the water and the girls used to scream,and snap towels at the other kids,what a blast of the past
Jim Hunt
OLPH 67
Morton 71 (just barely LOL)
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06-03-2010
( Reply#: 5649 ) |
Thawk9632 |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Hello from Tennessee. This is a great site and one I have been longing to find.
---I was born at St. Margarets in 1940. My dad, a tin-roll builder at Youngstown Sheet and Tube, raised me and my brothers as a single parent in Grand Park subdivision of Hessville.
Mr. Fifield of the Rexall Drug Store called us and our neighborhood friends, "The kids from the boondocks." Grand Avenue at that time was almost the city limit before you hit Black Oak at Cline Avenue. (Black Oak was without a city--unincorporated and serviced by Gary.
I attended 6th grade ( -1952) at Morton elementary because I lived with a sister and her family on 169th just west of Kennedy Ave. between the Pow Wow Drive In and Ferris Standard Oil Service Station. The house we lived in there was rented to us by Ferris. That house had been a dance hall in the 30's and 40's called The Rendevous---It was a long shaped stucco sided building with rounded ends that had around 12 windows in each end.
The Bluebird Tap/Tavern across from Ferris' Station was Boland's Tap. As a 5 year old, I lived with the Boland's in the back of that Tavern--My dad had to take me back home to live when I walked out into the bar area to take a nickel offered by one of the Grand Park neighbor men and someone reported the incident to Child Welfare!
BTW-anyone remember the quaint little Conoco station on 169th just east of Kennedy? The last I knew, it had an addition and was a sandwich place.
I moved back to Grand Park to live with my father and brothers in 1953 and attended Oliver Perry Morton High School until graduation in 1958.
My 2nd grade (1947) was spent in the Parish School on Parish and 173rd (Where now stands Caldwell Elementary). Parish was a wooden school house and probably was built around the same time as the original Harding--perhaps a bit later, because the neighborhood I lived in began to build up around 1940--my dad helped to build our house. That school burned sometime before 1951 or 2 and the students from Parish had to attend Harding elementary for sometime.
One of you wrote:One subject I haven't seen broached is teachers. At Morton High Albert Clark was the principle. 9th hour dicipinarian was named Ruff and he taught Latin. Miss Virden taught English. Mr. Flansburg taught algebra. Maury Zlotnik was the football coach. Other names: Chidester, Hand, Groves, Melton.
My mother, an american born to Russian immigrants, had Albert Clark as her principal, as did I. I had Chidester for math and Virden for English. I remember Zlotnick and Melton--Morton had award-winning bands under his direction.
The Emporium was the place to go for those big pretzels and the candy Kits as well as your paper and pencils. The Hitching Post had a great hamburger, since the Pow Wow was not open in the winter and you couldn't get their best of the best Tomato Burger.
Do any of you remember the Stouts--She substitute taught bookkeeping, and he may have been a track coach or science teacher? Oh, and Mr HarperÑBiology teacher, Miss CobleÑEnglish, Miss LockhartÑGeography, and Mrs Byers was my high school homeroom teacher.
I think she taught History.
Hansen Library, I can still remember the smell of that place. I started getting books there in 1952. My bike had to have a basket so I could check out books at the library.
Was Gregory's an IGA? on the corner of 173rd and Kennedy? My dad called it the Iggy!
I did not discover Cande's Pizza until it had moved to 165th--and after I left "Da Region"
to attend college, I always went back to Cande's for an Itallian Beef---no one nowwhere, at no time has made a more delicious Italian Beef.
My first job out of high school was in Hessville at Girman and Glegg Realty, on the West side and North a bit of the Ace Theater. Then I took a job with Graybar Electric Company on the north end of Indianapolis Blvd.
I worked one summer at Kelly's Drive In (Indianapolis and 169th) owned by Nicholas Kikolas; his brother, Peter Kikolas owned a restaurant on Kennedy Ave. I think.
After my freshman year in college, I worked a summer at the PowWow!--Somehow the glamor it had held when I was younger, had faded by then--not the food, the position as a car hop!!!
Does anyone remember the Nehi Bottiling Co. Building that was just North (it set back from Kennedy and was across the vacant lot behind the Dairy Queen.
Does anyone know anyone from the 1958 graduating class of OPMH? I would like to be included in any up-coming Fiftieth Reunion.... GOVENORS RULE!
I'm gonna stop for now--anyone who begins reading this will need some time. [8D]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
I worked there it was called the grapette bottling co.before they changed to Nehi,My brother and i,he was also born in 1940 by Lost Park,iwas born in 43. |
06-03-2010
( Reply#: 5651 ) |
S C Jones |
So, did the sign on the building read NEHI or GRAPETTE? S.C. Jonesquote:
Originally posted by Thawk9632
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Hello from Tennessee. This is a great site and one I have been longing to find.
---I was born at St. Margarets in 1940. My dad, a tin-roll builder at Youngstown Sheet and Tube, raised me and my brothers as a single parent in Grand Park subdivision of Hessville.
Mr. Fifield of the Rexall Drug Store called us and our neighborhood friends, "The kids from the boondocks." Grand Avenue at that time was almost the city limit before you hit Black Oak at Cline Avenue. (Black Oak was without a city--unincorporated and serviced by Gary.
I attended 6th grade ( -1952) at Morton elementary because I lived with a sister and her family on 169th just west of Kennedy Ave. between the Pow Wow Drive In and Ferris Standard Oil Service Station. The house we lived in there was rented to us by Ferris. That house had been a dance hall in the 30's and 40's called The Rendevous---It was a long shaped stucco sided building with rounded ends that had around 12 windows in each end.
The Bluebird Tap/Tavern across from Ferris' Station was Boland's Tap. As a 5 year old, I lived with the Boland's in the back of that Tavern--My dad had to take me back home to live when I walked out into the bar area to take a nickel offered by one of the Grand Park neighbor men and someone reported the incident to Child Welfare!
BTW-anyone remember the quaint little Conoco station on 169th just east of Kennedy? The last I knew, it had an addition and was a sandwich place.
I moved back to Grand Park to live with my father and brothers in 1953 and attended Oliver Perry Morton High School until graduation in 1958.
My 2nd grade (1947) was spent in the Parish School on Parish and 173rd (Where now stands Caldwell Elementary). Parish was a wooden school house and probably was built around the same time as the original Harding--perhaps a bit later, because the neighborhood I lived in began to build up around 1940--my dad helped to build our house. That school burned sometime before 1951 or 2 and the students from Parish had to attend Harding elementary for sometime.
One of you wrote:One subject I haven't seen broached is teachers. At Morton High Albert Clark was the principle. 9th hour dicipinarian was named Ruff and he taught Latin. Miss Virden taught English. Mr. Flansburg taught algebra. Maury Zlotnik was the football coach. Other names: Chidester, Hand, Groves, Melton.
My mother, an american born to Russian immigrants, had Albert Clark as her principal, as did I. I had Chidester for math and Virden for English. I remember Zlotnick and Melton--Morton had award-winning bands under his direction.
The Emporium was the place to go for those big pretzels and the candy Kits as well as your paper and pencils. The Hitching Post had a great hamburger, since the Pow Wow was not open in the winter and you couldn't get their best of the best Tomato Burger.
Do any of you remember the Stouts--She substitute taught bookkeeping, and he may have been a track coach or science teacher? Oh, and Mr HarperÑBiology teacher, Miss CobleÑEnglish, Miss LockhartÑGeography, and Mrs Byers was my high school homeroom teacher.
I think she taught History.
Hansen Library, I can still remember the smell of that place. I started getting books there in 1952. My bike had to have a basket so I could check out books at the library.
Was Gregory's an IGA? on the corner of 173rd and Kennedy? My dad called it the Iggy!
I did not discover Cande's Pizza until it had moved to 165th--and after I left "Da Region"
to attend college, I always went back to Cande's for an Itallian Beef---no one nowwhere, at no time has made a more delicious Italian Beef.
My first job out of high school was in Hessville at Girman and Glegg Realty, on the West side and North a bit of the Ace Theater. Then I took a job with Graybar Electric Company on the north end of Indianapolis Blvd.
I worked one summer at Kelly's Drive In (Indianapolis and 169th) owned by Nicholas Kikolas; his brother, Peter Kikolas owned a restaurant on Kennedy Ave. I think.
After my freshman year in college, I worked a summer at the PowWow!--Somehow the glamor it had held when I was younger, had faded by then--not the food, the position as a car hop!!!
Does anyone remember the Nehi Bottiling Co. Building that was just North (it set back from Kennedy and was across the vacant lot behind the Dairy Queen.
Does anyone know anyone from the 1958 graduating class of OPMH? I would like to be included in any up-coming Fiftieth Reunion.... GOVENORS RULE!
I'm gonna stop for now--anyone who begins reading this will need some time. [8D]
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville!
I worked there it was called the grapette bottling co.before they changed to Nehi,My brother and i,he was also born in 1940 by Lost Park,iwas born in 43.
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06-04-2010
( Reply#: 5657 ) |
Jim Plummer |
I'm not sure it had a sign; at least on the Kennedy side. Didn't it front the street behind kennedy? |
06-04-2010
( Reply#: 5660 ) |
S C Jones |
Jim, the sign I meant to inquire about was painted on the south side of the building that was just across (north of the dairy queen)--As I remember it there was an empty lot or a parking lot between the DQ and that building.
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
I'm not sure it had a sign; at least on the Kennedy side. Didn't it front the street behind kennedy?
Grand Park Subdivision 1940-1961 Boondocks of Hessville! |
06-05-2010
( Reply#: 5663 ) |
Jim Plummer |
They must have removed it early because I had pretty much forgotten it. I just remember those expansive crushed rock parking lots. |
08-17-2010
( Reply#: 6020 ) |
musicluvrdon |
I have been a Hammond resident my entire life! I was born in March of 1959, in north Hammond, the youngest of three sons. I was raised on the corner of Elm and Huehn Streets, and I have so many great childhood memories of friends from childhood...some I've reconnected with on Facebook. Those were great days, going to Irving Elementary, Spohn Middle, and Clark High School. Life was great back then, when the city bus service was active, and downtown Hammond was bustling with activity![:)] It would be great to go back down memory lane and relive those times again! Since 1979, I have lived in south Hammond, Hessville, and currently living in south Hammond....great times!
Hammond, Indiana...my home!!
Don H. |
08-17-2010
( Reply#: 6021 ) |
Tom J |
Hey, Don! Welcome to Sheptalk!
I know you are going to enjoy this place. All of us here share your love for the Hammond of old.
Tom |
08-21-2010
( Reply#: 6027 ) |
RichK |
Just found this forum. My grandparents lived at 41 Elizabeth. Grandpa owned Paxton Lumber. Dad went to Hammond High, graduated around 1947 or so. My brother was born at St. Margaret's. I was born in 1956 when the family was moving around, ended up growing up mostly in Munster. Worked at Paxton during the summer. Moved to Hammond after high school. Lived on Ruth street, then Waltham. That's my connections to Hammond. Came out to Colorado in 1984.
Enjoy looking through the forum, brings back lots of memories. Here is a picture of me with my brother. This was taken somewhere in Hammond, 1961.
[IMG]http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j126/billduck/train001.jpg[/IMG]
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08-22-2010
( Reply#: 6028 ) |
Tom J |
Thanks, Rich, for telling us a little bit about yourself.
I sure hope you plan to stick around and be part of the Sheptalk family of "Region Rats."
Thanks for sharing the picture of you and your brother on the old steam loco.
Keep posting!
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
08-22-2010
( Reply#: 6030 ) |
Roger D |
Hey Rich that pic could have been taken across from the Hammond Civic Center. Great to have those memories. |
08-22-2010
( Reply#: 6031 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by Roger D
Hey Rich that pic could have been taken across from the Hammond Civic Center. Great to have those memories.
If it was, it was a different engine than the one that is there now.
Tom
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/img014.jpg[/IMG] |
08-22-2010
( Reply#: 6032 ) |
RichK |
The current locomotive at the Civic Center is different. I think at some point the city replaced the one in the picture with the one that is there now. |
08-22-2010
( Reply#: 6037 ) |
Roger D |
Rich, Tom knows his trains, he is a RR nut. Hey Tom have you ever been to the RR museum at North Judson, In.? We were by there in April but they are only open in the summer. |
08-22-2010
( Reply#: 6038 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by Roger D
Rich, Tom knows his trains, he is a RR nut. Hey Tom have you ever been to the RR museum at North Judson, In.? We were by there in April but they are only open in the summer.
Have not been there, Roger.
The only RR museum I have been to is the Illinois Railway Museum in Union, IL. It was fantastic!
Tomster |
09-21-2010
( Reply#: 6094 ) |
tom pancheri |
I was born and raise in South Hammond. I lived there from 1949 to 1974. Can someone tell me where Cudahy was and what the story about the Cudahy ghost was? Tom Pancheri |
09-21-2010
( Reply#: 6095 ) |
tom pancheri |
Does anyone recall driving down Sohl Street in Hammond and seeing NOLL painted twice on the west side of the building? It was painted there up high enough so it could not easily be removed. The vandalism occured a couple of days before the Hammond High, Bishop Noll season ending football game. HHS was undefeated and going for the mythical State Championship Title. Noll had a so-so team and ended up battling HHS to tie dashing their hopes. You can still spot the reamains of the Noll sign some 47 years later. I won't reveal the names of the vandals, but I do know one of their SSN numbers. Munster ain't the Region. Toim Pancheri |
10-17-2010
( Reply#: 6139 ) |
class_of_66 |
If Munster "ain't the region" what are all the folks that went to HHS and BNI prior to 1967.
Bernie Kruger---HHS football coach in the 60's was from Munster and is a personal friend.He thinks Munster is "Region"
Munster's first graduating class was 1967. |
10-18-2010
( Reply#: 6140 ) |
BobK |
Who says Munster isn't part of the Region? I think it is, so of course it is. It takes all the surrounding cities and towns to create the Region, not just one city or town. Shame on you Tom.
Bernie Kruger was one of my teachers at Irving and one of my favorites throughout my school years in Hammond.
Bob
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10-19-2010
( Reply#: 6148 ) |
duane |
In my opinion, Munster is a part of "da Region."
I think there may be a bit of turf battle going on, because for many folks, Munster was considered a place where the more well-to-do families lived (or at least the ones that had much larger mortgages!)
And I suppose that some might not think they were as much Region-rats as those from Hammond, Robertsdale, EC, Whiting, etc.
But I had a lot of friends from Munster and they were great mates and every bit as worthy of wearing "da Region" moniker as the rest of us. |
10-19-2010
( Reply#: 6149 ) |
class_of_66 |
"well to do" depends on perspective and year.
I didn't go to Bishop Noll because my father could not afford it.
HHS was paid for by city of Munster----not so with BNI or Andrean which a few attended.
1966 was a defining year. Munster became more of a stand alone after that with fewer and fewer ties to Hammond.
At HHS I used to run with "The Mystics" a lot--Ralph Long,John Zandy,Rich Hale,Scott Blumenthal----occasionally Jerry Mcgeorge of "Shadows of Knight" would join in to jam with them.They had their own renditions of "The Bird" called "What's The Word" and "Louie Louie" lyrics that would have put them in jail if the adults could understand Ralph's slurred vocals. It was the "Animal House" atmosphere in high school which caused my HHS guidance counselor to state I was not "college material" and should learn a trade.
Then came draft cards, Vietnam,"The Lottery" and things went to ****.
"well to do" became not having to go in the military.
Don Slack(Munster) was the first HHS grad killed in Vietnam in 1967.
Here's to you buddy!
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10-19-2010
( Reply#: 6150 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Gentlemen--
I'd like to propose that we consider Munster (and Highland, etc) part of "THE" Region, but that Hammond, Whiting, East Chicago, Cal City, etc be referred to as part of "DA" Region.
LR |
10-20-2010
( Reply#: 6154 ) |
class_of_66 |
So I'm from The Region------------ and went to school in Da Region------------ so I could root for Da Bears. I gets it.
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10-20-2010
( Reply#: 6157 ) |
seejay2 |
The people I knew in Munster back then, never expressed a desire to be part of 'Da Region'. In fact, they put as much distance as possible between people like myself and and their own breed.
I always thought of them as sitting in some enclave apart from the rest of the 'great unwashed'.
Remember now: these were individuals that I knew from back then...Cj |
10-20-2010
( Reply#: 6158 ) |
Joel357 |
My grandfather and grandmother came here in 1924 and lived in Hammond til 1952. He started 3 businesses in Hammond. Both my dad and aunt went to Hammond HIgh. Our family business was in Hammond from 1948 to 1980. C.J., I feel that I am a region rat. I identify with growing up in the area. I just happened to grow up south of the Little Calumet River and graduated from Munster High School. |
10-20-2010
( Reply#: 6159 ) |
Tom J |
I've always thought of Munster as being part of "The Region."
I don't think there is any denying that the folks in Munster were generally a little better off financially than the folks in Hammond, but there sure isn't anything wrong with that. I believe the money was come by honestly in the vast majority of Munster families.
I can't remember ever feeling like I was being "looked down upon" by anyone from Munster. They seemed like good folks to me.
Tomster |
10-20-2010
( Reply#: 6160 ) |
Joel357 |
Well, I can understand how people feel about some people from Munster. When I was growing up there, there was a lot of building of subdivisions around town. Alot of these homes were magnificent and it seems like a lot of people moved from other areas to Munster. Some came from Hammond, Gary, and Illinois. Alot, not all, were new found rich and they loved spoiling their kids. There were a number who got new cars after either getting their drivers licenses or had to wait til they graduated from high school. I grew up just west of the Monon tracks, north of Ridge Road and east of Hohman. We had a nice house, not spectacular but it was home. The nice thing was that I had a lot of baby boomer friends on the block and we all grew up with each other. I am still friends with alot of people I grew up with. You could transplant my house and would fit in with any other houses in Hammond. |
10-21-2010
( Reply#: 6162 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Not that I want to add any fuel to the fire, but.....
There's no doubt that, over the years, a lot of people from Whiting "escaped" their "inferior" surroundings and moved to Munster; I've occasionally talked to them. They'd admit (with some obvious embarassment) that they were born and raised in Whiting but now (with obvious pride) reside in Munster. My late father also recounted conversations with people that he had grown up with in Whiting but who now bragged about the fact that they had joined the ranks of the elite in Munster.
Not that I spend any time worrying about this. When I am working with my orchestra up in the well-to-do Chicago North Shore area or doing speaking gigs with the Chicago Symphony, I always declare when asked that I live in Whiting; I could give a rat's a___ what anybody thinks. I'm proud to have been born and raised in a blue collar community.
LR[^] |
10-21-2010
( Reply#: 6163 ) |
tom w |
Watching this string unfold is really nostalgic in itself. Seems like we spent many winter evenings at
Cal Hoff or Big Wheel or Brahos or Kwikee Snax having this same conversation. Of course you guys are all right in your own ways. We kinda liked to set ourselves apart by saying that we were Nort Siders. We thought that anyone north of the Grand Calumet was a North Sider and anyone south of the Little Cal was an elite group as well but that sorta vanished when we got to know anyone from Munster. For a very short time, we worked at Burgers on Ridge Road where we met some of the nicest people around. Tom W
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10-21-2010
( Reply#: 6164 ) |
class_of_66 |
I worked at Burgers on Ridge 65/66. Got to know the Lansing dudes who introduced us to parking with your date at Thorton woods.
Cops wouldn't bother you unless they did not see two heads above the seats. Then it was the spotlight and the OMG moment.
They should put an historical marker on that road-------------
Origin of the Phrase
"Don't come a knock'n if the car is rock'n".
Then there was the hours spent stacking empty bottle returns by the case nearly to the ceiling in the bottle room.Coke, Pepsi, Nehi,Dads,7up all had to be separate.Once a week it seemed someone would have a whole column come crashing down and you could hear it throughout the store.[;)] |
10-21-2010
( Reply#: 6165 ) |
class_of_66 |
This is always good for a chuckle
[url][/url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fruHQhNe-UM |
10-21-2010
( Reply#: 6166 ) |
class_of_66 |
This one's good too
[url][/url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHOE_ertzoc |
10-23-2010
( Reply#: 6172 ) |
Second Son |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Hi All!,
I happened to blunder into this site while trying to remember the name of the drive-in that was located on 169th & Kennedy Ave, in the '67 era where the KFC is now.
After seeing reference to Dick's Grocery, The Nook, Tilden numbers (TI4-4846 by the way) and those old photos of the wooden Harding building I spent the entire morning wrapped up in the discussions concerning "Hessville of Olde" and could not pull myself away from it.
I still remember when you picked up the phone and heard, "Number please". You then had to give the number to the little voice to make the connection.
Solinas' Bakery..I worked in there cleaning the 20 million pans they delivered the rolls and donuts on.
After that, I worked in a little electronics repair shop called Triangle Repair, just a couple doors down from Hills Hammond Times Agency...I put time in at the Big Wheel on the boulevard as a short order cook when they still had a curb service. I survived the '67 Snow and Viet Nam, but I still can't remember the name of that drive-in. Can someone help me out?
Thanx,
CJ
I haven't read through all of the pages and pages of this thread yet Seejay so I don't know if anyone has answered your question but the name of the drive in was the Pow Wow. I worked there for my first job when I was 14 (41 years ago) flipping "Bozo" burgers and making $1.00 an hour. I even lied about my age so I could get a work permit! |
10-23-2010
( Reply#: 6173 ) |
Second Son |
quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
I don't doubt for a second that it was there, I just don't remember it there. I fact, I think I remember mom saying something about it there. I'll have to ask about that...............CJ
I'm not sure I understand your last post, but I was agreeing with you that there definitely WAS a Candes Pizza on 165th, like you said in your prior post.
Tomster
A 1967 Graduate of Hammond High who cherishes his memories of growing up in the Hammond of the 1950's and 1960's. Bring back those days!
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/tsjay/Tom%20and%20Georgeann/Web3PICT0018.jpg[/IMG]
Cande's Pizza was definitely at the corner of 165th and Arizona. Cande's burned down. |
10-23-2010
( Reply#: 6174 ) |
Second Son |
quote:
Originally posted by eyebab
In the 50's I remember 2 stores on the west side of Kennedy, down by Morton, called "The Emporium" and "Whitakers." Whitakers was a small grocery run by two old maid sisters while the Emporium was a small variety shop where I remember buying 33 stamps for 99 cents. Also remember a hardware store right off the SW corner of Kennedy and 169th. Down from there was a plumbing Co.where the Dedelow(oldest son became mayor of Hammond)family lived upstairs.
Used to take a bus to downtown Hammond and get off at Woolworths and head over to Goldblatts and go down in the basement and get two steamed hot dogs(buns steamed too) and a coke...all for a quarter. Upstairs on the 2nd floor they had a shoe repair where you would sit in an open booth in your stocking feet while your shoes were resoled.
Also on State Street there was a place which sold 78 rpm records and they had booths with phonographs where you could listen to the latest record before buying(or more likely for me,just listen to your favorite record without buying.)
One subject I haven't seen broached is teachers. At Morton High Albert Clark was the principle. 9th hour dicipinarian was named Ruff and he taught Latin. Miss Virden taught English. Mr. Flansburg taught algebra. Maury Zlotnik was the football coach. Other names: Chidester, Hand, Groves, Melton.
Hammond and esp. Hessville in the late 40's and 50's was a perfect place for growing up. I know change always comes and you can't live in the past, but I sure cherish those childhood memories.
jerry
The hardware store on the SW corner of Kennedy and 169th was called Glombeck's Hardware. A little further down the same side of the street was Jimmy's Feed Store, Sharon Mae's Variety Store and the old Post Office. Right across Kennedy was Lelito's Hardware. |
10-23-2010
( Reply#: 6175 ) |
Second Son |
Sorry all - but before I commit another major feaux paux, I thought it would be in my best interest to introduce myself. I was just introduced to this site by my brother and I have spent two full evenings reading the posts in this one thread and I'm still pages (and as it turns out - some years) behind because I didn't realize that this thread has stretched out over a period of some years, so forgive me for answering questions that may have already been answered. Much to my chagrin I would answer a question (with delight) someone had asked only to read further on and find someone else had already answered the question. But being a native of Hessville, delivered by Dr. Ramker (who lived down the street from our family on Arizona Avenue) a graduate of OLPH Elementary School (Class of 1969) and Morton Senior High School (Class of 1973) and a life long resident of Hessville who still lives here, I ask for your indulgence for my impetuousness. But I still think that I can really contribute to this forum and am glad to be here. Hell, I probably even know or knew some of you or your relatives. That being said, I'm going back to page 7 of the thread to continue my catching up. Thank You All! |
10-23-2010
( Reply#: 6179 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Second Son,
Let me also welcome you to Sheptalk; our paths probably crossed many years ago, since I was an OLPH/Morton guy as well (but 4 years older than you). There's also a few more of us Hessville/OLPH guys from the era who regularly contribute, all operating under our mysterious user-names.
I'm sure you will discover many fun, fascinating things as you read through the threads here; I'm sure you've seen the Pow-wow, OLPH, Fabulous Hot-Dog, etc topics already that deal specifically with Hessville. And there's TONS more!
Later.
HassoBenSoba (Larry R)
PS. When you get to the point where you want to expand your horizons, I'd suggest you check the "Edju Tucker" thread..... |
10-23-2010
( Reply#: 6183 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by Second Son
Sorry all - but before I commit another major feaux paux, I thought it would be in my best interest to introduce myself. I was just introduced to this site by my brother and I have spent two full evenings reading the posts in this one thread and I'm still pages (and as it turns out - some years) behind because I didn't realize that this thread has stretched out over a period of some years, so forgive me for answering questions that may have already been answered. Much to my chagrin I would answer a question (with delight) someone had asked only to read further on and find someone else had already answered the question. But being a native of Hessville, delivered by Dr. Ramker (who lived down the street from our family on Arizona Avenue) a graduate of OLPH Elementary School (Class of 1969) and Morton Senior High School (Class of 1973) and a life long resident of Hessville who still lives here, I ask for your indulgence for my impetuousness. But I still think that I can really contribute to this forum and am glad to be here. Hell, I probably even know or knew some of you or your relatives. That being said, I'm going back to page 7 of the thread to continue my catching up. Thank You All!
Second Son:
It is ABSOLUTELY OK to answer old questions that have been answered before. Your answer could shed more light on the previous answer.
We don't mind old threads being revived. Heck, we are happy to see new posts on old threads.
This is NOT your typical message board where you will get flamed for not using the "search" feature or for posting in old threads. We all respect each other around here. We are all from those times when people were taught respect by their parents.
Tom |
11-13-2010
( Reply#: 6236 ) |
tom w |
This is kinda off topic but it has been over a year since we have heard from tsofred. If anyone that is still in the region can find out anything, could you either post or e-mail me? We were good friends. Thanks so much. His last post was May 6 2009. Tom W |
11-13-2010
( Reply#: 6237 ) |
Tom J |
Tom:
Have you tried clicking on his username? That will take you to his profile, and he has allowed Emails to be sent to him from Sheptalk. Also, he has a link to his Yahoo Instant Message account in that profile.
Tom J |
11-14-2010
( Reply#: 6240 ) |
Roger D |
HEY, people!! I was looking at "THE TIMES" sport section and saw that MORTON is in the playoffs in football with a record of 12-1. GO GOVS! |
11-15-2010
( Reply#: 6242 ) |
Jim |
I'm sure the Times won't mind posting this article on our "Mighty" Governors winning the regional Friday night and going to the state semi-final game. Congratulations!!!
Morton runs past Concord to first semistate
By Josh Weinfuss josh.weinfuss@nwi.com, (219) 933-3374 | Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 10:15 pm
ELKHART | Six minutes had not yet ticked off the clock in the first quarter when an unhappy Concord fan stood, turned around and yelled up to Minutemen coaches assembled atop the press box.
"Change the game plan," the man hollered repeatedly.
By then it was too late. Concord couldn't do anything to handle a fast Morton team.
Morton used its speed to overwhelm Concord and shock a standing-room only crowd 46-13 in the Class 4A regional on Friday night at Jake Field.
"We play at such a fast pace and a high level," Morton coach Roy Richards said. "Across the board anybody who touches the ball could be gone at any time and it's carried over to defense and our special teams.
"Anybody could be big and anybody can play good football but if you haven't seen speed like that its hard to match up."
Friday was the first time Morton (12-1) played a playoff game outside of Lake County since 1991 and Richards was worried about everything from pulling his players out of school too early to the long bus trip. It wasn't something the Governors had done before and Richards wasn't sure how they'd react.
It didn't take his team long to prove to their coach not much was going to get in the way of bringing a semistate game back to Hammond.
Quarterback Andrew Glidewell, who was 8 of 13 for 163 yards and three touchdowns, hit D'Jari Griffin for touchdowns on Morton's first two possessions and Morton led 12-0 with 5:24 left in the first stanza. Morton's other quarterback, Chris McCormack, who threw for 52 yards and ran for another 67, scored a few minutes later on a keeper from the 4 to swell the Governors' lead by six.
Griffin had 113 yards and three touchdown receptions.
"The way we get out of the gate, we said to ourselves, at the end of the first quarter if we're still in it, we have a great chance," Richards added. "At halftime if we're still in it we really felt like we were going to win.
"We forced them to use a lot of their energy just to get back in the game. They looked at halftime like a team that played all four quarters. We said they used up all their energy to get back in the game and then we return the last second kickoff."
Richards was referring to Jaborie Rucks' 65-yard kickoff return with 14 seconds left in the first half. Concord had come within 24-13 on an Alex Sith touchdown reception from sophomore quarterback Ryan McKibbin, who was 8-of-27 passing for 134 yards. On the ensuing kickoff, kicker Nick Wysong squibbed it to the right and Rucks took it back for a touchdown, giving the Governors a 31-13 lead.
"That's really what took the wind out of their sails," Richards said.
Morton senior running back Kayln Aaron led all rushers with 164 yards on 24 carries but his only touchdown came on an 11-yard catch in the back corner of the end zone. Glidewell placed it perfectly over two Minutemen defenders and Aaron came down with the ball, falling out of bounds, keeping his left foot in bounds.
"I think I just picked smart holes and I knew where my offense receivers were to block backs," Aaron said. "So basically I just played a smart game."
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11-18-2010
( Reply#: 6243 ) |
LegulusQ |
Here are links to a couple of videos created by davegon420 and posted on YouTube.
This first one was created after the Governors won the sectional over Gary West Side:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd7ijoNGHxk
The second one followed the Govs victory over Concord in Elkhart in the Regionals last Friday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWNerRIlVD4
Next up for Morton is Fort Wayne Dwenger at Zlotnik Field in Hessville this Saturday, Nov. 20. This will be the first football semi-state game ever played in the city of Hammond! Go Govs!
[The game will be broadcast over-the-air locally, but for anyone out of the area the game can also be heard on the internet at the Region Sports Network (www.regionsports.com) starting with pregame coverage at 3:00PM CST followed by the game at 5:00PM. RSN is where my brother and recent Sheptalk contributor "Second Son" works.]
LegulusQ |
11-18-2010
( Reply#: 6244 ) |
Tom J |
Ok, from an HHS Grad... GO GOVS!
(Even if you guys DID beat my Wildcats in the Basketball Sectional in 1967 when HHS was expected to go far in the State Tournament.) :(
Tom |
11-19-2010
( Reply#: 6246 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Very good of you Tom. If HHS ever gets in this position, this Morton '62 grad will say the same to you!!! |
12-24-2010
( Reply#: 6362 ) |
mcgyver |
I gotta agree with SEEJAY2 on Munsterites... We got a lot of exchange students from Munster at Tech because we had the Shop Classes and they didn't... I had NEVER seena bigger bunch of spoiled brats in my life! Most seemed to reseent having to cross over from the "Good" side of the Little Cal into 'Da Region and associate (loosely, if at all) with the rest of us Region Rats there... There were some other things with them also back then (late 60's, early 70's)... let's just say that their parent's allowances allowed them to "score" more exotic things than what sosme of the local 'Rats were experimenting with back then.
Mcgyver
Hammond Tech Class of '71 |
12-25-2010
( Reply#: 6370 ) |
seejay2 |
...Thank you! |
12-26-2010
( Reply#: 6378 ) |
tom w |
Congrats to Florida Kelly on the wonderful articles that I found yesterday on his father and his father's restaurants. Charlie deserves all of the recognition he can get for his part of Shep's writings. Kelly, you and your sister will always have a place in my memorys right along with Charlie and the gift that he gave me. One article was on the front page of the Northwest Indiana News and the other on the front page of MSNBC. Nice going, Kelly. Tom W |
02-22-2011
( Reply#: 6450 ) |
linbu |
I finally finished reading all 25 pages and can't believe no one has posted anything since Dec. 26, 2010. Was that the end of this thread? There is no more? |
02-22-2011
( Reply#: 6451 ) |
dilligaf717 |
Having lived in both "The" and "Da" I can honestly say there was more resentment shown to those south of the Little Cal by those on the north side. One time in particular shines brightly in my mind. We went to the Christmas BB tourney at the Civic center and barely escaped with our lives, so it seemed to a sophmore in high school. I believe that Munster swept the tourney that year. Sometime 68 or 69. That was when we discovered that a can of hairspray and a BIC lighter made a great deterent to someone that wanted to kick your tail. LOL
I remember several of the busses getting many windows busted out by pipe welding regionites.
A random reminesence from a former region rat who now hangs his sombrero in beautiful South Texas.
Jim
Still runnin against the wind. |
02-23-2011
( Reply#: 6452 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by linbu
I finally finished reading all 25 pages and can't believe no one has posted anything since Dec. 26, 2010. Was that the end of this thread? There is no more?
It dries up every now and again then someone will post something and it flies once more. A lot of people have turned their attention to 'Planet Hammond' on Facebook lately. Check it out. In the meantime, think of something to 'prime the pump' on Shep here...Cj |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6462 ) |
linbu |
I have Planet Hammond bookmarked and look at it everyday. I've been thinking about how sheltered I was as a kid. You regulars here seem to know so much about Hammond, all the restaurants, places to go, etc. We never went out to eat when I was a kid so I never had Condes pizza,or anything else. I remember Sip and Bite because I was warned never to go in that place All the hoodlums hung out there, lol. Same thing with the Hitching Post, Lil governors, Pow Wow. I think my mom just didn't want us to go anywhere. My world was Hessville Park all the way down to the library and Ace theater. Never went past there much unless I was in the car with mom and dad. |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6474 ) |
seejay2 |
I don't know if you remember a place called "Wesley's' on Kennedy Ave, a little north of the "Ace". As kids, we were sternly warned to never even look into the windows of that place, forget ever entering because there were 'beatniks' hanging out in there.
To make a good story short, my friend and I acquired a pocketful of change and heard they had a pinball machine in Wesleys, in the back. We went in there to play the machine. We were so little, they put a wooden milk box for us to stand on. We had such a good time with that, we lost track of time and the other kid's dad found us in there because we parked our little red wagon out front. Needless to say, we got a butt whipping I still remember; not from the 'beatniks' (which I still do not remember seeing even one), but from our parents...Cj |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6475 ) |
linbu |
I remember Wesleys, but I was told hoodlums or hooligans hung out there. I wasn't allowed there either. |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6477 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Where was Wesley's located. I remember a sporting goods store that was just north of the department store that had a pin ball machine. They also sold toys because I remember getting some plastic western wagons and horses in there as a present. The stagecoach was molded in red plastic.
My mother would take us into the Hitching Post when they first opened. The hamburgers were quite large and sold for .30 cents. I'm guessing this was around 56 or 57. |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6478 ) |
wvcogs |
Jim: Wesley's Restaurant was located at 6731 Kennedy, just north of the Ace.
From some time in the 1940s until the late 1950s, Adam Sienkiewicz Sporting Goods was located at 6717 Kennedy Avenue, just north of the Department Store. By 1961, Dr. Zaranka, the optometrist, was in that building. |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6480 ) |
seejay2 |
OK Ken, as long as you mention Adam's, I have to add to my Wesley's story. Adam's was complicit in my (and Timmy's) murder the night we got caught in Wesley's. Tim and I had been out collecting pop bottles (hence the red wagon) and cashing them in at Adam's. This was the booty we used for the pinball machine. Thinking back, I remember being a bit upset about loosing the free games we had racked up on the machine when we were jerked out of there by Tim's old man. I didn't realize right then the worse was yet to come...Cj |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6481 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
My mother would take us into the Hitching Post when they first opened. The hamburgers were quite large and sold for .30 cents. I'm guessing this was around 56 or 57.
The Hitching Post shut down a year or so after I graduated from Morton in 1960. I'm surprised it didn't last any longer. Do you have any idea why it shut down?
Ken |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6482 ) |
seejay2 |
I don't. I was never in the place...Cj |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6483 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
I don't. I was never in the place...Cj
It was the favorite lunchtime hangout during my time at MHS, but was closed by the time you got there. |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6484 ) |
seejay2 |
Did you just call me "kid"? |
02-25-2011
( Reply#: 6485 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Did you just call me "kid"?
Yup! |
03-01-2011
( Reply#: 6487 ) |
Jim Plummer |
My guess is the Hitching Post wasn't making enough money. It's funny I don't remember Wesley's restaurant at all. I guess I was never in there. I'm surprised I missed out on the pin ball machine. |
03-01-2011
( Reply#: 6489 ) |
seejay2 |
Jim, I don't remember if Wesley's had a sign or not--I only remember a pinball machine and beating that followed. I suspect Ken can help on this one:
Could that be a "Wesley's" sign, just below Vierks and to the left of the bottom row of Ace marquee lights? Only part of the "W" is visible, if that's what it actually is...Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/HessvilleBusinessDistrict-Marthaand.jpg[/IMG] |
03-01-2011
( Reply#: 6490 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Could that be a "Wesley's" sign, just below Vierks and to the left of the bottom row of Ace marquee lights? Only part of the "W" is visible, if that's what it actually is...Cj
I see what appears to be a "W," but the restaurant wasn't Wesley's in 1955 when the picture was taken. In the 1954 directory it is listed as "Bartels Marilyn Mrs restr." In 1956 it is "Smith Adelaide Mrs restr." The next directory I have is 1961 where it is listed as Wesley's. I can't imagine what that "W" sign could be for. Between the Ace and Vierk's were a beauty shop, the restaurant, and Fifield's. Ken... |
03-02-2011
( Reply#: 6491 ) |
seejay2 |
Well, then there it is...Cj |
03-02-2011
( Reply#: 6493 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Well, that answers my problem, it wasn't there when I was spending time in Hessville. For a time in '58, I was eating lunch at one of the two drugstores. I thought the hot dogs at Fifields were the best! |
03-02-2011
( Reply#: 6495 ) |
seejay2 |
A hotdog, chips and a Green River----for 25 cents! How can you lose!!...Cj |
03-02-2011
( Reply#: 6496 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Yeah!! I think they would toast the bun. Getting .30 cents a day for lunch-in two days I had enought for a comic book! |
03-03-2011
( Reply#: 6498 ) |
seejay2 |
...a comic book that could net you a million bucks now if it's in pristine shape...Cj |
03-04-2011
( Reply#: 6501 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Would you believe my mother claimed to have given them to some kid down the street? I will say that I always reminded her of that mistake for years after. In all fairness, I still have all of my Lionel trains. I saw a Superman comic the other day that had written on its cover 'holding the line at $2.99'. |
03-04-2011
( Reply#: 6502 ) |
S C Jones |
Hey guys, I recently sat on the floor of my study for 3 days (well, for most of the days) and sorted through all the plastic remains of my great nephew's collection of Transformers and Super Heros 35 or 36 of which were Ninja Turtle figures, but there are Superman, Batman, Spiderman in various sizes, Dragons, and other monstrosities that come out of flying whatevers the names of which I have no clue.
My nephew is in between home/college/and the Marines and his parents had to move last year with the prospect of having to move again, so I volunteered to store some of his belongings. A humongous cardboard box bursting at the seams could not be stored in the attic or garage (Help Me, I'm Melting probabilites) so, here it was and I decided to open, sort, and repackage.
Laughing at my actions as I tried to make each Transormer into the smallest it could go, no way, could I do it for most of them, because, while the earlier ones were just twist and fold over, the later ones were pull apart here and reconnect there and I COULD NOT FIGURE THEM OUT!
So, my revelation regarding the imaginary super/underworld of the boy-child of the 90s and early 00s was that the imagination and ingenuity connected with the toys was somewhat of an education for him and it explains the seeming to be in another world when in the presence of family.
Boys (no matter the age) are always off in their heads destroying evil, saving the world, or just plain winning/conquering something. If a boy only has a stick to wield, he will imagine it a bazooka. (and I don't mean bubblegum).
All this to say, I now have a bit of insight into the molding of our boys into warriors by the "enterainment/corporate fantasy industry" but do not mean to be taking anything away from any of your experiences or the younger generation either. It is what it is, and from all I can discern from the behavior of the men on this site, you all can and do live outside the fantasy world, now, and I find your posts to be those of fine, upstanding, gentlemen.
It is because of your reminscences that I softened from one who held in disdain these toys. I realize the lives of men can be filled with everyday drudgery and constant pulls to do this and do that for others or because of others. Backbreaking work in whatever endeavor that is often just a way to allow families to survive with some modicum of comfort. So, I salute you each today as you have a bit of leisure to remember what was a time of play-learning. And, I would assume and hope you are continuing that play-learning in whatever way you have
to do so.
S C
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03-05-2011
( Reply#: 6503 ) |
Jim Plummer |
SC,has anyone ever told you, you're pretty cool? Well you are!
How do adult women feel about the toys of their youth. I guessing it's a little different. |
03-05-2011
( Reply#: 6504 ) |
duane |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
Boys (no matter the age) are always off in their heads destroying evil, saving the world, or just plain winning/conquering something. If a boy only has a stick to wield, he will imagine it a bazooka. (and I don't mean bubblegum).
I believe it was Jean Shepherd who wrote in one of his books something along the lines that a boy's lust for cold blue steel is insatiable. For those goody two-shoe parents who wouldn't buy their child a toy gun, he would just carve one out of a block of Lifebouy soap! |
03-05-2011
( Reply#: 6505 ) |
S C Jones |
Hey, thanks Jim.
I do not think my experience was one with which most girls would identify. While I had dolls before I went to KY, I never played with dolls after the age of 7.
I spent years 7—12 in Southeast KY on a a hardscrabble farm where most of my time was spent planting and tending corn, a garden, and tobacco and helping with the canning of the garden yield. The only toys I remember from that time: a cardboard acordian, a bicycle, and a plastic washing machine that actually held water. Pitiful, huh?
I DID have a favorite lucky glass shard that was my hopscotch piece. : ) And, I developed a love of reading, eye-hand coordination--I could hit a baseball, get a basketball in the hoop, and I loved to play games of marbles. And, oh, yeah-- I had a favorite handmade hook and a wheel rim, I could navigate up and down the hills. (Ever heard of that contraption?)
Toys for girls have never been very imaginative. I mean, "girl, here's a play kitchen, pretend you are washing dishes, washing clothes, ironing, cooking" and son, here is a hammer, go find some wood and make something". It is like girls toys were(are?) intended to do that which is done everyday while boys toys always left something to the imagination. Today, the technical world HAS to make a gadget pink to make it a girl's?
Okay, don't go there with the envy thing. I do not envy the role men have to play as this scenario has played out. I do admire those who can share the roles in a way that gives both a sense of creative contribution and have found that their children, male and female, have brains and inclinations and need space and support to find what they can best do.
Sorry, for my verbiage....
And Duane, I am happy to be of the same mind as Shep--thanks for sharing that
info.
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03-07-2011
( Reply#: 6506 ) |
seejay2 |
When I was telling my story about 'Wesley's', I would refer to "Tim" as my partner in mischief. I just got a call from my brother this morning informing me that Tim passed away from cancer last night. His name was Tim Ring. He was 60, I believe. That is hitting home. I grew up with four Ring boys (and Jim Gasvoda who recently passed). They all lived down the street from me...Cj |
03-07-2011
( Reply#: 6507 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
When I was telling my story about 'Wesley's', I would refer to "Tim" as my partner in mischief. I just got a call from my brother this morning informing me that Tim passed away from cancer last night. His name was Tim Ring. He was 60, I believe. That is hitting home. I grew up with four Ring boys (and Jim Gasvoda who recently passed). They all lived down the street from me...Cj
Sorry for your loss of your childhood friends, CJ.
Tom |
03-07-2011
( Reply#: 6508 ) |
Jim Plummer |
CJ,Tell us something of Jim Gasvoda. I think I knew him. |
03-07-2011
( Reply#: 6509 ) |
seejay2 |
I grew up with Jim on Arizona Ave, 6600 block. He was a very athletic type and was inducted into the Hammond Sports Hall of Fame in 2002, where I am the furthest thing from sports that one can be. He also went on into real estate and bought and owned a Coldwell Banker Group.
I never really used to think much in terms of my own mortality until friends and family began to pass on.
This pic is from a 1966 yearbook...Cj
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Gasvoda.jpg[/IMG] |
03-08-2011
( Reply#: 6510 ) |
Paddy |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
A hotdog, chips and a Green River----for 25 cents! How can you lose!!...Cj
After I delivered my week's collections for the Hammond Times each Saturday, I stopped in at the downtown drug store (Hohman and Rimbach?) for a Green River. |
03-12-2011
( Reply#: 6514 ) |
Jim Plummer |
Thanks CJ, I knew him at an younger age! |
03-14-2011
( Reply#: 6517 ) |
MHS-1965 |
I'm an MHS grad ('65) and now living on the Texas Gulf Coast (Galveston Bay/NASA area.) One of my friends from Elkhart saw this site & thought I'd find it interesting. Reading some of the posts has definitely brought back fond memories of the old stompin' grounds & schoolmates. I played round ball with the Jim "GAS" Gasvoda...and, as a freshman/soph, had the privilege of practicing/playing with some of the other MHS sports legends...Ron Royer, Denny Palmer, Bob Guzek, Ron & Kenny Boken, Tom "The Bird" Hoppmann, etc. Look forward to re-connecting with any of the old crowd interested in exchanging past/present info about da Region. (quote:
Originally posted by Jim Plummer
CJ,Tell us something of Jim Gasvoda. I think I knew him.
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03-14-2011
( Reply#: 6518 ) |
Tom J |
Welcome, Mike! Glad you have joined us. I think you will have a good time here.
I was a couple years behind you and was over at HHS. I was in the Hammond High Class of '67.
Even though I didn't grow up in Hessville, I still enjoy reading all the posts as you guys reminisce. We were all part of Hammond and I can relate to most of what you guys talk about.
Tom |
03-25-2011
( Reply#: 6519 ) |
Terry |
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This message is in response to SeeJay2's note of March the 7th. SeeJay2 wrote about Jim Gasvoda. I worked at Calumet National Bank in the Mortgage Loan Department; Jim was one of the appraisers that did work for the bank. I knew Jim well for about 20 years. My wife (Jeri) and I would meet Jim and his wife (Cindy) at the Schererville Lounge frequently (we all worked long hours and there was nothing like going to "our Cheers" for dinner and a few drinks). Jim was smart, honest, kind, generous........He was loved and respected by anyone who knew him. He was a good friend. He sure is missed. |
03-25-2011
( Reply#: 6520 ) |
Tom J |
That was a nice tribute to your friend, Terry. He must have been a great guy.
I'm sorry for your loss.
Tom |
04-17-2011
( Reply#: 6550 ) |
SoK66 |
Hi, all. Stumbled across this Forum and wanted you all to know that there is a Facebook page dedicated to the 60s garage bands of northwest indiana. Hope some of you can jump in and add wat info you might have about that era and some of the local bands. Thanks!
Jerry McGeorge
Mystics
Blackstones
Shadows of Knight |
04-17-2011
( Reply#: 6551 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by SoK66
Hi, all. Stumbled across this Forum and wanted you all to know that there is a Facebook page dedicated to the 60s garage bands of northwest indiana. Hope some of you can jump in and add wat info you might have about that era and some of the local bands. Thanks!
Jerry McGeorge
Mystics
Blackstones
Shadows of Knight
Welcome to Sheptalk, Jerry! Congratulations on your music career.
Could you supply a link to that Facebook page that you told us about? I tried to do a search for it but didn't have any luck.
I hope you will stick around and reminisce with the rest of us.
Tom |
04-24-2011
( Reply#: 6553 ) |
class_of_66 |
[url][/url]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Garage-Bands/170939559595841?sk=wall |
04-26-2011
( Reply#: 6554 ) |
S C Jones |
quote:
Originally posted by class_of_66
[url][/url]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Garage-Bands/170939559595841?sk=wall
Sorry, but I don't see the Northwest Indiana connection, except for comments of Linda who is from Hessville. What am I missing? |
04-26-2011
( Reply#: 6555 ) |
class_of_66 |
The Exports circa 1964 Hammond Ind.
Band Members:
Ron Jongsma - Guitar
George Felaney - Guitar
...Tom Barnhart - Guitar
Howard Friedman - Drums |
04-26-2011
( Reply#: 6556 ) |
class_of_66 |
[url][/url]http://www.vinylfool.net/sounds/Exports-Car.mp3 |
06-23-2011
( Reply#: 6633 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by class_of_66
[url][/url]http://www.vinylfool.net/sounds/Exports-Car.mp3
Good music, once you get past the 20 second introduction. Reminds me a little of the instrumental "Ratchet," by The Boys Next Door from Indianapolis--another talented group that never made it.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
07-02-2011
( Reply#: 6636 ) |
Jim |
A couple more Pow-Wow images from another group
[img]http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/jamesbucko/Hessville/Pow-Wow-1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/jamesbucko/Hessville/Pow-WowOwners.jpg[/img] |
07-07-2011
( Reply#: 6638 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Great POW-WOW pics (which one is father and which one son? Both are youthful-looking dudes). The good old days when restaurant workers didn't get canned for not wearing platex gloves. We used to go there on Fridays in the summer for their fried shrimp dinners, which came in the plain white box. Tasty.
LR |
07-08-2011
( Reply#: 6643 ) |
seejay2 |
Pow Wow was on my daily cruzin' route, along with places like Park View and anywhere else that had carhops...Cj |
07-27-2011
( Reply#: 6740 ) |
tommy51 |
quote:
How about it Mike and the rest of you, do you recognize anyone?
I'm pretty sure of another; the lad with the white T-shirt,
The guy with the Morton shirt is Tom Kocur (sp) The far right guy has a last name of Gibson (Gibby?).
Tommy |
07-27-2011
( Reply#: 6741 ) |
josnave |
I am class of 59 morton high school, we went to 8th grade thru 12th. Harding grade school till 54.
the drive in had carhops on skates when we went there lol. my dad would not allow me to get a job there with those hussies lol. I lived on 163rd st right around the corner from Shep. His stories are the stories on my childhood, passed Flicks everyday on way to morton bought candy jawbreakers from Dicks or Pops as we called it.
J. |
07-28-2011
( Reply#: 6742 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Welcome! Yes, we called it Pop's. The store was narrow, but stretched way far back to the alley. Pop was the thin old man in back at the meat counter, to the right of the tall milk cabinet. He always wore a white butcher's uniform and cap. Milk used to come in glass containers with metal handles.
I wonder whether Pop was the model for Shep's Old Man Pulaski the candy hustler, or Oshenschlager the grocer with the heavy thumb. I think he might very well have been. In the late 50s, he seemed about 70 years old. So he was certainly old enough to have had run-ins with the young Shep.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
07-28-2011
( Reply#: 6743 ) |
seejay2 |
Which house were you in, Joann? I lived at 2919 163rd. It used to be owned by Frank & Eleanor Horvath, my great aunt & uncle...Cj |
07-28-2011
( Reply#: 6744 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Joan, welcome to the group.
I graduated from Morton in 1960. My wife, Judy Thomas, attended Harding and graduated from Morton in your class of 1959.
One of my memories is that the 13th gallon of milk from Pop's was free. Does anyone else remember that?
Ken |
08-11-2011
( Reply#: 6795 ) |
Jiieeggy |
Hello. I came across this website by accident, but what a find!!! This has been so much fun! I've enjoyed looking at the old photos. I was raised at 6749 Woodmar Avenue in Hammond near Hessville and attended Gene Stratton Porter Elementary near Purdue Calumet. I had great experiences and wonderful teachers at Porter Elementary. I saw my brother's name, Ron Royer, mentioned above and he just visited my family in Utah. We reminisced about Hammond and Morton. He had to watch me sometimes when I was about 3 or 4 during football practices at the old Morton High School and told me to yell cheers from the sideline like "Push him back, push him back, way back" so he would know I was there. He remembered Coach Zlotnik one time calling to him on the field,"Royer, your sister stopped cheering, go find her now." Coach Zlotnik was kind and giving. A few of the players including my brother didn't have money for football cleats and Coach Zlotnik dropped off cleats to our house saying an anonymous person donated them to the team, but Ron always felt that Coach Zlotnik bought them. Ron retired to New Mexico from coaching and teaching college chemistry. He mentioned visiting with Mike Bradburn this year. I remember some of the other players like Bob Guzek. I have some other fond childhood memories. I remember my sister, Tona, watching me while she worked as a Dog n Suds carhop. Sometimes, I long for a Dog n Suds chili dog, onion rings and mug of root beer. I remember swimming at the Hessville Pool all day and playing street games in the dark hearing my Dad's loud whistle from the next block to come home. I remember spending entire afternoons with friends at the Hessville Theater re-watching movies and the Hessville 5 & 10 cent store. I remember my Dad always buying me a treat at Goldblatt's. I remember the Woodmar Mall and River Oaks. I remember taking the South Shore Train with friends to downtown Chicago to shop or to watch a Cubs, White Sox or Bears game. I remember being on my Dad's shoulders waving at John F. Kennedy passing by in a convertible on the main street in front of Purdue by our house on Woodmar, maybe 169th Street? I remember loving pierogi as a girl. It was fun to make sauerkraut, potato and cheese pierogi this year for Christmas as well as polish sausage. I remember my Dad having a few close calls with the Mob as the head of a local union. I also recall one scary time when our family was leaving a restaurant and we saw men in suits push another man into a big car. My Dad confronted them and was told it was none of his business. Dad made us stay at the restaurant and call the police while he followed the car. He showed the police where they dumped his body. Every once in awhile, I recall something about Hammond. Just a few weeks ago, I remembered always asking my Mom to buy a favorite birthday cake with strawberries, bananas and whipped cream from a grocery store right above the old Morton H.S. on 169th Street. We always shopped at that store, but now I can't remember the name. It bothers me, so if anyone knows, please say the name. It might be an A&P, but I want to say a different name. Here's something else we were wondering about a while back. Why did our telephone numbers start with two letters? I can still remember my phone number. We all had different letters like TI4-3456 which was for 844-3456 on the rotary dial. Well, I have a lot of happy memories growing up in Hammond. We lived in such a great hard-working community with wonderful people! Thanks for sharing your memories with me. Deena
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08-12-2011
( Reply#: 6803 ) |
Roger D |
Thanks for the post and welcome to the forum Deena. I remember your brother, Ron, and Mike from high school.
hope to hear more from you in the future. |
08-12-2011
( Reply#: 6804 ) |
Roger D |
That grocery store you mentioned is Strack and Van Tils on 169th. just north of the old Morton High. |
08-12-2011
( Reply#: 6805 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Deena. Welcome to the group. It's great to hear all your memories about Hessville, Morton, and the area. Your sister, Tona, was in my MHS class of 1960. She wasn't able to attend our 50th reunion last year since her husband's HHS reunion was the same weekend. They returned to Utah following that Friday activity. Don't you also have a brother who was in the class of 1959 who had an office on Kennedy Avenue?
Stick around and share more of your memories with us. As you have seen, pictures are always appreciated.
Ken O'Neal
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08-13-2011
( Reply#: 6806 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Deena--
I enjoyed your post re: your many memories of Region life; hope that you will stick around and be our resident female (did that come out right?). I'm sure you've already checked out some of the excellent info and general nuttiness that prevails around here, and that we will be reading much more from you.
Larry Rapchak
PS--- guys....was that store a Strack and Van Til's in the good old days? I don't think so. There was a regular VAN TIL's at 171st and Indy Blvd during that time; I didn't think the Strack's moved to the 169th/Morton location until the early 70's (?) |
08-13-2011
( Reply#: 6809 ) |
Tom J |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
Deena--
I enjoyed your post re: your many memories of Region life; hope that you will stick around and be our resident female (did that come out right?). I'm sure you've already checked out some of the excellent info and general nuttiness that prevails around here, and that we will be reading much more from you.
Larry Rapchak
PS--- guys....was that store a Strack and Van Til's in the good old days? I don't think so. There was a regular VAN TIL's at 171st and Indy Blvd during that time; I didn't think the Strack's moved to the 169th/Morton location until the early 70's (?)
Uh, Lar, Deena can be our "other" resident female. Don't forget about S.C. [:I]
Welcome, Deena! We all hope you will stick around and be part of the family. It was very enjoyable to read your post.
Tom |
08-13-2011
( Reply#: 6810 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
Deena--
I enjoyed your post re: your many memories of Region life; hope that you will stick around and be our resident female (did that come out right?). I'm sure you've already checked out some of the excellent info and general nuttiness that prevails around here, and that we will be reading much more from you.
Larry Rapchak
PS--- guys....was that store a Strack and Van Til's in the good old days? I don't think so. There was a regular VAN TIL's at 171st and Indy Blvd during that time; I didn't think the Strack's moved to the 169th/Morton location until the early 70's (?)
Larry, you are right. I used to cross over the tracks there behind what is now 'S&V' store. It's possible there used to be some little manufacturer of something or other there that I never saw in operation. I remember a lot of inidentifiable metal and composite material machine parts strewn all over the ground, but the wooded area served as a great place to commit some heavy underage drinking---as long as you didn't sit in all the poison ivy...Cj |
08-13-2011
( Reply#: 6811 ) |
Roger D |
OK you who have access to 60's directories please let us know what was located where S&V is now. We are talking the area between the Pow Wow on the east and the tracks on the west. When I lived in the 6600 block of Alexander from '76-'93 S&V and Ribordy(sp?)Drugs, then Little Ceasers Pizza was there. |
08-13-2011
( Reply#: 6812 ) |
seejay2 |
That's the place. I would go up a dirt rise, cross the tracks and the area to the west (S&V now and St. Mary's Cemetary to the east) was wooded and debris, in the form of some kind of machine parts, was scattered all over the place. I can't say I remember any form of building there, but given the amount of crap laying about, I figured there had to be something there long ago.
Roger, did you know Marilyn Meyers? She lived in the 6700 block of Alexander, in a white house right in the middle of the block on the east side. That was one of the reasons I was familiar with that area then. This was 66-67 then...Cj |
08-13-2011
( Reply#: 6813 ) |
LegulusQ |
Hi, Deena. Welcome to Sheptalk from another relative newbie. The two letters at the beginning of phone numbers were called the exchange. This was part of the identification process at the central telephone office regarding the origin and routing of calls. TI was short for TIlden (in case you didn't remember that little tidbit). I remember thinking it was a big deal when our exchange got so large that they had to add TI5 to the older TI4. It's strange that I can remember to this day the phone numbers of old chums of mine from that era, some of whom I haven't seen for years and some who, sadly, are no longer with us.
Seejay, I believe the name of the establishment who sponsored your long ago underage carousing at the site of the present day S&V was Dubois. That area was also a preferred spot for "watching the submarine races" back in the day (or so I've been told).
Craig |
08-13-2011
( Reply#: 6814 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
OOPS----
Tom, that's right; sorry, S.C. But that's the beauty of Sheptalk--- it's like a happy family where reality is blurred, and class, ethnic, political....and I guess gender...distinctions are irrelevant (or some B.S. like that). Actually, it's my inability to remember names/identities via initials.
Incidentally, I think the TILDEN exchange was in honor of the dude who ran for president and lost to Rutherford B. Hayes c. 1870. Last summer I accompanied my mother to the hospital, and when the sign-in nurse asked for her phone number, my mother instantaneously said "TI 4- 7954"...before correcting herself (she's still pretty damned sharp). The point is, we hadn't used the TI-4 number in 48 years.
LR |
08-14-2011
( Reply#: 6817 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by Roger D
OK you who have access to 60's directories please let us know what was located where S&V is now. We are talking the area between the Pow Wow on the east and the tracks on the west. When I lived in the 6600 block of Alexander from '76-'93 S&V and Ribordy(sp?)Drugs, then Little Ceasers Pizza was there.
I walked south down Alexander Avenue on the way to Morton High from 1963-1966. Where Alexander ended north of the tracks, a well-worn dirt trail led up the hill to where we crossed the tracks.* Continuing on Alexander Ave. south of the tracks, the cemetery and, on the corner, the Pow Wow were to the east; to the west was nothing but weeds, in my time. This practically deserted stub of Alexander between 169th and the tracks was paved and had a sidewalk on the east; but I never saw a single vehicle on it. From aerial photos I see it is built up now.
* As far as I ever saw, people crossing the tracks there were ok with the railroad. There were old railroad ties fitted between some of the rails to help people walk across. On the other hand, if you walked down the tracks north of Kennedy Ave., the old man in the crossing shack was liable to pop out and warn you you were trespassing.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-14-2011
( Reply#: 6820 ) |
Roger D |
CJ- I didn't know Marilyn Meyers. I moved to Alexander Ave. in the mid 70's. I was married with two small children,(7&5). |
08-14-2011
( Reply#: 6826 ) |
Mrs Bears |
My grandparents lived down the street from the Pow-Wow when I was little. This was the first drive-in I ever went to and had a hamburger. I remember they were large around. quote:
Originally posted by Jim
A couple more Pow-Wow images from another group
[img]http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/jamesbucko/Hessville/Pow-Wow-1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/jamesbucko/Hessville/Pow-WowOwners.jpg[/img]
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08-15-2011
( Reply#: 6830 ) |
S C Jones |
Tom J and HassoBenSoba (Larry),
(Larry, I don't know if anyone ever answered your question regarding which was which in the PowWow kitchen pic---Bob is on the right. He and Sarah were my bosses for the one summer I carhopped there.)
thanks for remembering my occasional presence on here. And now we have
Mrs. Bear. But, lest we get into a contest of numbers......
I just returned from my brother's funeral (Jeffrey Carl Jones, 68), he graduated Morton, but after he had spent a stint in the Navy, and I have lost track of his
year. He was living in La Porte--I think I misstated Parke Co. another post, that is where the Barnes' live now.
My older brother's children (in their 40's and 50's) and I drove up and stayed in
Merrillville. We drove up to Hammond to pick up their other sibling who lives very near Hammond High and St. Margaret's.
We were all amazed at the good condition of neighborhoods up 169th and 165th into downtown. The fact that there were not any of the behemoth "mac-mansions" towering over the characteristic houses of our childhood made the
trip a true trip back in time and houses where people and relatives lived in that day are still standing and look as sturdy as ever and a flavor of the distinctive
identity that is fast being lost across the nation.
The numerous small neighborhood stores are all boarded up, and there are still
old remnants of signs on them as well as some of the bars and local ethnic
restaurants the neighborhood population supported.
I could almost hear European (Greek, Hungarian, Polish, Italian) accents of our childhood as we turned from Indianapolis Blvd at what was my first workplace (Kelly's Drive-in) and is now Nicks Liquors and still owned by Nicholas Kikolas.
Big Wheel is still there.
The time was not conducive to exploration of my old haunts and places--and sitting in the back of a rental Chevy Impala with head supports on the front seats was like riding through in the trunk looking through the keyhole as far as being able to see a lot.
However, the "kids" got to reminisce about their childhoods in Da Region and we were able to share a couple pizzas with REAL ITALIAN SAUSAGE, though we did not get to go to one of the authentic pizza places. Old Chicago was the name of the place (a chain,I believe).
It is good to have this site reawaken. Thanks for all who join in the reminiscence.
SC
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08-15-2011
( Reply#: 6833 ) |
Roger D |
Hey SC, I worked at the Serenade Drive-in, just next door to Kelly's in '60&'61. Great memories!![:)] |
08-15-2011
( Reply#: 6836 ) |
S C Jones |
Hi Roger,
You are the one who let me know about my cousin, David Van Alstine's having died.
He and my brother were about the same age and buddies in their elementary years in Hammond.
I remember the Serenade--my summer working at Kelly's was 1957. The lot surrounding the building now looks a lot smaller than it did in 1957 when I had to sweep it around 1:30 in the morning before I could go home.
What job did you do at the Serenade?
quote:
Originally posted by Roger D
Hey SC, I worked at the Serenade Drive-in, just next door to Kelly's in '60&'61. Great memories!![:)]
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08-16-2011
( Reply#: 6838 ) |
Roger D |
I was a cook there and I swept the lot some. If the car hops didn't want to sweep their area they had to pay me .50 to do it. That was big money when you were only makng .50 an hour. If there were three car hops working you could make $1.50 in about 45 minutes. |
08-16-2011
( Reply#: 6839 ) |
S C Jones |
Those were lucky carhops. Since Nick, his wife, or his brother-in-law were the cooks, there was no asking for a bye or a buy—they would be cleaning up the kitchen, in fact. If I didn't have a ride home, one of them would give me a ride, since it was on their way home.
I would often take an Italian Beef Sandwich (Nick had the spice thing down and added a green pepper and the roll would be soggy by the time you bit into it--but no tomato sauce like Candes had.) home and eat it that time of the morning before I went to sleep---probably why I can't eat anything after 5:00pm now if I want to sleep at all. (Since Nick was Greek, the Beef Sandwich might better be described as Mediterranean as far as the spices it was cooked in.)
quote:
Originally posted by Roger D
I was a cook there and I swept the lot some. If the car hops didn't want to sweep their area they had to pay me .50 to do it. That was big money when you were only makng .50 an hour. If there were three car hops working you could make $1.50 in about 45 minutes.
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08-16-2011
( Reply#: 6840 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by Roger D
I was a cook there and I swept the lot some. If the car hops didn't want to sweep their area they had to pay me .50 to do it. That was big money when you were only makng .50 an hour. If there were three car hops working you could make $1.50 in about 45 minutes.
I used to work for Solina's Bakery, washing those huge gunk coated delivery pans every day(about a million of them)and on Saturday, scrape up all the hardened dough and crap up off the wooden floor in back for .60 an hour--no pension plan. And I thought I had the world by the butt then. |
08-17-2011
( Reply#: 6848 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
SC -- Sorry to hear about your brother. But I'm glad you enjoyed your drive through da' Region; a lot of the old neighborhoods do look the same.
CS and ROGER D: - I remember the SERENADE well, because as a kid I lived one block directly west, on Magoun. Check the "Magoun Avenue Memories" thread here from time to time; there are very few photos of the Serenade, but I'll be posting some pics of that area (most are from the Purdue Cal photo archives). In fact, my grandparents lived in the house right in back of the Serenade from '59 to '63.
Here's a Purdue Archive photo of Indy Blvd from about 1958 at Christmas time. The Serenade is partially visible on the right, but it sure looks small! I remember the "tower"/facade of the place being HUGE! Wasn't it painted with light green and pink vertical stripes? And a pink neon SERENADE at an angle? You can also see the Jewel food store on the left, which opened in fall of '54.
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/IndyBlvd.jpg[/IMG]
Larry |
08-17-2011
( Reply#: 6852 ) |
S C Jones |
Thanks, Larry.
And, for that desolate pic of Indianapolis Blvd. Funny how snow would make
it look less desolate and inviting. |
09-14-2011
( Reply#: 6960 ) |
1csullivan1 |
I was born in Hammond, IN and lived on the corner of Osborn Street right next to the railroad tracks. Thought those trains were going to come right through our house... I live in California now, so now I put up with the earthquakes instead. My sister Sandy, my brother John and I, all went to OLPH. I went to kindergarten at Porter School and Gavit for high school. I married Bob Gilchrist (legal name "Sullivan". I loved to hang out at the Woodmar shopping center which I understand is pretty much gone...
Claudia Sullivan |
09-15-2011
( Reply#: 6962 ) |
Roger D |
When one of the workers at the Serenade had a birthday we would load up after work (midnight)and go either to John's Pizza in Cal. City or to Sauzer's Waffle Shop in Schereville to celebrate. |
05-27-2012
( Reply#: 8524 ) |
wvcogs |
On this Memorial Day let us be sure to pause and remember all those from Hammond and elsewhere who died while fighting to protect our freedom. Take a look at Grand Avenue in the comic section of today's paper where Grandma and the kids are visiting a military cemetery. She says to them, "A whole lot of tomorrows were sacrificed so we could enjoy today."
Ken |
05-28-2012
( Reply#: 8526 ) |
tom w |
Hi Claudia. Welcome to the forum. Sorry it took so long to respond.
Please feel free to chat about anything on any thread you like.
New memories are always fun. You can tell by the numbers that plenty of people read us. Some even respond!! Tom W |
05-29-2012
( Reply#: 8527 ) |
seejay2 |
Claudia, I can remember a Beverly Grcevich from grade school. Any relation?...Cj
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07-12-2012
( Reply#: 8610 ) |
HessvilleExpat |
Thanks to all of you posters for reviving many happy memories.
I went to Harding from 3rd to 7th grades. I think 3rd and 4th grades were in the “new” (at the time) brick building. Then 5th was in the old wooden frame school. They finished an addition to the brick building around 1957, and I had 6th grade in that addition. About that time they converted the old wooden frame building into a “junior high” for 7th and 8th grades.
We moved to Hessville in 1954, when I was 8, and lived there until 1966 when I entered the Air Force. Our house was on Parkway North, and smack across the street from the ice rink in Lost Park. I have many happy memories or playing “fox and chickens” on the rink with friends, and warming up at the pot-belly stove in the shelter house (which appears to have been torn down).
As a young boy I remember Christmas shopping trips with my mom to the stores on Hohman Ave., very much like what is shown in “A Christmas Story.”
I remember riding my bike up California St. to Dave's Dairy at 165th on Saturday after I got my allowance. I could buy a 3-pack of comic books (they started bundling them in plastic around 1957) and a pair of Hostess cupcakes, and return home for an afternoon of cultural enrichment and gastronomic delight.
I remember bowling in the leagues at Kenwood Bowl – had my own ball, bag, and shirt with first name on it!
I'm sad to say that I don't remember a lot of names, just a few first names of some best-friends.
I was actually made aware of Shep by friend I met in the Air Force who was from New Jersey, had listened to him on the radio, and was excited to learn I was from his home town. I read “In God We Trust...” and “Wanda Hickey” and found out that the guy who owned the tavern where my dad occasionally hung out was a well-known character in his stories. When I went home on leave I actually went over to Flick's house across the park and knocked on his door to say hello and ask about Jean. This was about 1967. I remember he was kind of surprised and said he hadn't seen Jean in a while, but was aware of being in Jean's stories.
I see that Flick's has moved into a building at Kennedy & Janet, whch was once a little restaurant/grill where I used to buy cheese burgers. (Is Flick still running the business, or is his family operating the bar now?)
I was also surprised to see on Google that Chuck and Irene's is still there on Kennedy near 161st. My folks were friends with the Basso's back in the day.
After getting out of the Air Force, I settled in Northern California and haven't been back since my wife and I visited my folks on a road-trip 37 years ago. Time flies! |
07-13-2012
( Reply#: 8613 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Expat,
Welcome aboard. Be sure to stick around and share more of your memories with us. What about high school; which one did you attend -- Morton, Tech, Noll? There just may be some folks on here who attended with you.
Best wishes.
Ken
Morton 1960 |
07-13-2012
( Reply#: 8614 ) |
HessvilleExpat |
Thanks Ken,
I attended Bishop Noll class of '64. I was a Sophomore during the great 1961/62 New Year's fire - a pretty cool event if you didn't like Phys-Ed. No one was hurt, and the replacement building was state-of-the-art for 1963.
Cheers,
Marty
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Originally posted by wvcogs
Hello Expat,
Welcome aboard. Be sure to stick around and share more of your memories with us. What about high school; which one did you attend -- Morton, Tech, Noll? There just may be some folks on here who attended with you.
Best wishes.
Ken
Morton 1960
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07-30-2012
( Reply#: 8632 ) |
elledemerson |
I was born in Hammond. My grandparents lived a block away from us. Even after we moved south my grandparents stayed for four more years. It seemed I was coming and going from Hammond until I moved to New York a few years back. I've heard that all that's left of Hammond now is St. Margaret's and that Baptist church. |
08-11-2012
( Reply#: 8646 ) |
rkarnisky |
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There was a record store on Kennedy, I thought.. Judy Bogan and I spent hours there.... I remember buying "Shaboom". I still have that old 45 in its cover.
That would have been Luchene's. Part of one's weekly routine was to go there, get the WLS Silver Dollar Survey and then sift through the 45's.....CJ
As I mentioned on the Dick Biondi thread, I have 30 original WLS surveys (mostly 1962-1965) ... from "Wonderland by Night" through "Cherish" ... and I've made nice big scans of all of them. If you have a favorite song, artist, or date, just send me your address by Private Message, and I'll gladly e-mail it to you (or whatever I have that's closest) ... "Sealed with a Kiss", anyone? "Telstar"? "Go Away, Little Girl"? "Eight Days a Week"?
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
I'm from Griffith, and I used to ride my bike there every week for those WLS Surveys, plus an occasional record purchase.
Rob Karnisky |
08-11-2012
( Reply#: 8647 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Welcome, newcomers!
My offer still stands:
As I mentioned on the Dick Biondi thread, I have 30 original WLS surveys (mostly 1962-1965) ... from "Wonderland by Night" through "Cherish" ... and I've made nice big scans of all of them. If you have a favorite song, artist, or date, just send me your address by Private Message, and I'll gladly e-mail it to you (or whatever I have that's closest) ... "Sealed with a Kiss", anyone? "Telstar"? "Go Away, Little Girl"? "Eight Days a Week"?
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
08-13-2012
( Reply#: 8648 ) |
duane |
Pardon the thread crash, but I just found out they are doing a sequal to Christmas Story called Christmas Story 2. Ralphie 5 years on. (Direct to DVD - This can't be good) See more info here: http://sheptalk.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=774
And now back to our Hammond thread. [:D] |
