12-11-2006
( Reply#: 641 ) |
svea3 |
I have a version of Hessville from the 1920's. My dad made it to scale. I just have to figure out how to print it or jpeg it. The Lohse's, Dedelow's and Hess' families are there. I am from the Lohse line [MHS'60]and communicate regularly with Ed Dedelow, who now lives in Florida [MHS'61]. Ken, Ed and I all went to the Covenant Presbyterian Church and were in the same groups. Ed's family is also German and his Grandfather was a cigar maker. Ken and I are related also through the Haupt [another German] line! |
02-13-2007
( Reply#: 802 ) |
gene31444 |
I just happen to stumble across this forum last evening. Boy was that a mistake. It brought back so many memories that I just had to join in.
For openers, I didn't know who Jean Shepherd was although in retrospect, I probably should have since I was born and raised in the 6600 block of Alabama Avenue. Knew he was from Hammond and authored "In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash" but that was about it until a few years ago when he passed away and my sister happen to be watching the 10:00 news on WBBM-TV, channel 2.
During the announcers naration about his life, they tried to show the type of homes and the neighborhood he grew up in and wrote about. Guess whose house they filmed, you guesssed it, mine. Why they didn't film his house on Cleveland Street, I don't know. My sister was stunned to say the least. She contacted WBBM the next day to request a copy of the story from the night before but was told to watch the noon news as they were repeating that segment again. Needless to say, she did and also recorded it. That short piece of VHS tape is a treasure of mine.
What memories I have of growing up in Hammond. When I see what is going on in the world today, I truly wish I could go back in time and do it all again. By the way, a question for Bill Bucko, your was your dad's name Henry and did he work at Combustion in EC? If so, my dad also worked there for 40 years. I still recall my mom taking him his lunchbucket with my younger sister and I going along. He would come out of the plant and we would sit on the grass and have a "picnic" with him. I know this sounds crazy, but I had a dream last Saturday night. In this dream, it was me taking him his lunch with my 3 year old grandson running up to him at the guard shack when the lunch whistle blew.
Being a 1962 MHS graduate, I to remember the Dairy Queen owned by Del Linley, Flicks "BOOZE" sign. Sip and Bite, Hitching Post, The Nook (didn't the Shore Line Bus line start/end there?), Dick's grocery next to Flicks, although we called it Pop's when a dollar got you a gallon of milk, a loaf of bread and a can of Copenhagen for my dad and Candes Pizza. The best damn pizza around. Here it is 45 years later and I still can't find a pizza that even comes close. I also remember that it was located on Kennedy Avenue prior to moving to 165th street. Dominic was the little guy who used to spin the dough. The owner was actually John Candiano who eventually sold it to one of the Ventrella brothers, Mike or Ken. I believe John Candiano moved to Florida after he sold it but then his son opened another Candes on Ridge Road in Munster. The one on 165th eventually burned.
A number of you mentioned trains. How well I too remember them. So much so that I still "play" with them. When my parents passed away, I found my original train they bought in 1952 at Dildine's on Calumet Avenue. I brought it back to North Carolina and that one engine, 3 cars and a caboose has since grown into a railroad empire. Naturally, my model railroad is modeled after the Nickel Plate, Monon and the IHB.
Well, it's 3:00 in the morning and my wife thinks I'm crazy so until later... |
02-13-2007
( Reply#: 803 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by gene31444
By the way, a question for Bill Bucko, was your dad's name Henry and did he work at Combustion in EC? ... Being a 1962 MHS graduate, I too remember the Dairy Queen owned by Del Linley, Flicks "BOOZE" sign. Sip and Bite, Hitching Post, The Nook (didn't the Shore Line Bus line start/end there?), Dick's grocery next to Flicks, although we called it Pop's when a dollar got you a gallon of milk, a loaf of bread and a can of Copenhagen for my dad ...
A number of you mentioned trains ...
Welcome!
Yes, that was my father, at Combustion Engineering (earlier called SuperHeater).
Say, I bet you remember that awesome tapestry of sound that drifted our way every weekday at 12 Noon, as all the whistles sounded at all the plants in East Chicago! It lasted about half a minute, and was almost musical! Wish there were a recording of that!
Hammond's bus line did turn south onto Kennedy Avenue at The Nook. That's where I walked my girlfriend to, in 1964-65. Not sure what the bus line was called ... The Chicago, South Shore and South Bend RR station was on Indianapolis Blvd, just north of the Viaduct.
Yep, Pop's did sell milk, bread, and Copenhagen (my family bought all 3 there). In the 1950s and early 60s, there were 3 employees: Dick (in his 30s), the woman at the cash register (in her 30s or 40s), and Pop, way in the back at the meat counter, to the right of the milk cabinet. Pop was in his 70s. Never knew his real name, but I strongly suspect he was Shep's model for Old Man Ochsenschlager. He certainly looked as though he had grown old in the place. Bet he could have told some tales!
For much more on trains, read the earlier posts on the Hammond, Indiana thread.
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
02-13-2007
( Reply#: 808 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Gene. Welcome aboard. It's great to hear from another old MHS Governor on the Forum. I remember buying milk in the glass bottle at Pop's and getting the thirteenth gallon free. Just take the card and get it punched every time you bought a gallon.
I also remember when Cande's was on Kennedy just across from Kenwood Lanes, but have a hard time convincing some people that it was ever located anywhere except on 165th.
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
02-13-2007
( Reply#: 810 ) |
seejay2 |
People remember where you die, Ken. By the way, Jim Lane remembers you....CJ |
02-13-2007
( Reply#: 812 ) |
wvcogs |
Hey CJ --- You're not the only one. Some of you are just too young to remember Candes on Kennedy. It's too bad about the way Candes on 165th died -- the explosion you mentioned earlier.
Jim Lane doesn't ring a bell in this old retired brain. Give me some clues. Is that from Hessville or Gary?
Ken...
Former Hessvillite
Morton Graduate 1960 |
02-13-2007
( Reply#: 813 ) |
seejay2 |
History teacher at IUN. He puts together the "Steel Shavings" archives about the region. I was trying to pick his brain about sources for "Lynn's Story". That's a pretty good working title, isn't it?....CJ |
02-15-2007
( Reply#: 815 ) |
duane |
Ah, you are now moving into discussions of my neighborhood....south side EC. For those of you who's dads worked at Superheater, did they drink after work at the Cotton Lounge? I believe that was directly west of superheater, on 151st and Railroad Avenue. Across from Superheater was Union Tank which made railroad cars. Farther to the east was Humes and Berg which made musical accessories like mutes. Their claim to fame was that Skitch Henderson (Johnny Carson's band leader before Doc Severson) used their mutes. Their plant burned down in the early 1960's and they rebuilt and are still there today. I worked for them briefly in the early 1970's. Not far away was Blaw Knox, who made military tanks, as I recall. Also Graver company, but I can't remember what they made. Hopefully this helps paint a picture of the locations around superheater for those of you who's Dad's worked in EC, but who lived in Hammond.
It is really pretty sad that there are no FORMAL or Official sites with such history of Hammond, EC and Whiting that document both in narrative and photos, the great history of the Region. So much of it is now gone, and we have only forums like this to refresh each others memories.
I just remembered after reading through your descriptions that a movie was made in the late 1970's called Four Friends and it was about 4 high school friends growing up in EC in the 1960's. It was shot on location around the Region, at EC Roosevelt HS, at Indiana Dunes, and various other locations. I saw it when it first came out. I see that it is now available on DVD. Think I'm gonna rent it and reminisce.
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02-16-2007
( Reply#: 816 ) |
seejay2 |
My grandfather worked security at Combustion and I worked there for a short time in I think 74. Iremember Cotton Lounge, but never went in there. I went to Youngstown S&T after that. I'm tring to remember exactly where it was, somewhere off of 129th, but we watched them setting up and begin to film a scene from 4 Friends. It was the scene where someone was arriving to town at a train station. There was a vintage steam engine and lots of spiffed up old cars. Lotta black smoke pouring out of that "hot water job", as dad called them. The part where the lead guy (can't remember his real name) Danilo (?) is near a passenger ship, I think with his father or someone on it, was shot in the canal between Youngstown and Inland, on the Inland side. The "passenger ship" was actually an ore barge...CJ |
02-16-2007
( Reply#: 817 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Then you should remember that high arched bridge on 151st Street over the canal*, as you approached Combustion Engineering from the east; the Metal & Thermit Company; and that industry on the north side of the street (from my map, I think it was Robinson Brothers) with their high fences stenciled with the grim warning: "KEEP OUT BAD DOGS". (Does Shep mention that anywhere?) (Never was sure whether they meant they had bad watch dogs, or they were calling trespassers bad dogs!)
You guys interested in East Chicago (or Hammond for that matter), just send me a private message with your e-mail address, and I will send you an awesomely detailed map of the area from 1964, showing precise locations of all major industries! The map was prepared by the Hammond School Board, and somehow I still have a copy. My scan is 1805 x 3106 pixels, 1.37 MB. Great map!
* from the Calumet River north, through the steel mills, to Indiana Harbor.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
02-17-2007
( Reply#: 818 ) |
duane |
John Candiano was mentioned a couple of reply back - I think by Gene. Was this the same Candiano family that owned Candiano's Supermarket on Chicago Avenue in EC? |
04-03-2007
( Reply#: 899 ) |
Pro2am |
Gene,
By any chance did you have a relative named Hank?
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Hammond, IN
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quote:
Originally posted by gene31444
I just happen to stumble across this forum last evening. Boy was that a mistake. It brought back so many memories that I just had to join in.
For openers, I didn't know who Jean Shepherd was although in retrospect, I probably should have since I was born and raised in the 6600 block of Alabama Avenue. Knew he was from Hammond and authored "In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash" but that was about it until a few years ago when he passed away and my sister happen to be watching the 10:00 news on WBBM-TV, channel 2.
During the announcers naration about his life, they tried to show the type of homes and the neighborhood he grew up in and wrote about. Guess whose house they filmed, you guesssed it, mine. Why they didn't film his house on Cleveland Street, I don't know. My sister was stunned to say the least. She contacted WBBM the next day to request a copy of the story from the night before but was told to watch the noon news as they were repeating that segment again. Needless to say, she did and also recorded it. That short piece of VHS tape is a treasure of mine.
What memories I have of growing up in Hammond. When I see what is going on in the world today, I truly wish I could go back in time and do it all again. By the way, a question for Bill Bucko, your was your dad's name Henry and did he work at Combustion in EC? If so, my dad also worked there for 40 years. I still recall my mom taking him his lunchbucket with my younger sister and I going along. He would come out of the plant and we would sit on the grass and have a "picnic" with him. I know this sounds crazy, but I had a dream last Saturday night. In this dream, it was me taking him his lunch with my 3 year old grandson running up to him at the guard shack when the lunch whistle blew.
Being a 1962 MHS graduate, I to remember the Dairy Queen owned by Del Linley, Flicks "BOOZE" sign. Sip and Bite, Hitching Post, The Nook (didn't the Shore Line Bus line start/end there?), Dick's grocery next to Flicks, although we called it Pop's when a dollar got you a gallon of milk, a loaf of bread and a can of Copenhagen for my dad and Candes Pizza. The best damn pizza around. Here it is 45 years later and I still can't find a pizza that even comes close. I also remember that it was located on Kennedy Avenue prior to moving to 165th street. Dominic was the little guy who used to spin the dough. The owner was actually John Candiano who eventually sold it to one of the Ventrella brothers, Mike or Ken. I believe John Candiano moved to Florida after he sold it but then his son opened another Candes on Ridge Road in Munster. The one on 165th eventually burned.
A number of you mentioned trains. How well I too remember them. So much so that I still "play" with them. When my parents passed away, I found my original train they bought in 1952 at Dildine's on Calumet Avenue. I brought it back to North Carolina and that one engine, 3 cars and a caboose has since grown into a railroad empire. Naturally, my model railroad is modeled after the Nickel Plate, Monon and the IHB.
Well, it's 3:00 in the morning and my wife thinks I'm crazy so until later...
|
11-01-2011
( Reply#: 7306 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Please don't forget to check out our Hessville map!
Ken (wvcogs) has very kindly posted online two versions of the large Hessville map I compiled (with helpful input from Ken and others):
a half-sized version at http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hessville_Map.jpg
and a full-sized version at http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/HessvilleMap1950s.jpg
The map leaves out only the eastern and extreme southern parts of Hessville. It represents the area as it was in the late '50s to early '60s. Though of interest mostly to local area buffs, I think it has two uses for Shep fans:
(1) When a Shep-related place is occasionally identified (such as The Pin Bowl), the map can be used to locate it very precisely; ...
The original post by Bill Bucko with map info from Ken (wvcogs) was to cite locations indentified by/with Shep. Using this as a starting point, perhaps contributors can supply more info to reconstruct the Hessville Map and Kennedy Avenue circa 1950-1960.
As is the nature of these forums, most of the information has been mentioned in other postings, but let's get some responses to consolidate information to this posting location.
I have a few questions about the map first posted.
* Was Jack's Carry-Out on the northwest corner of Vine and Kennedy?
* Info on Freddy's Steakhouse says it has been in business for over 50 years. Does someone know when it opened, replacing the used car lot shown on the map? There currently is a used car lot on 165th to the west of Freddy's, across what would have been the alley.
* Is Luchene's in the correct location? I remember it almost directly north of the lumberyard. There was a small two story, probably 25 foot wide building, south of Luchene's and north of the lumberyard office that had some other businesses in it.
* There is a hardware shown on the map on the east side of Kennedy and north of 167th. Does someone remember its name?
Some of my additional recollections not on the map:
+ Glombeck's Hardware was on the west side of Kennedy and one lot south of 169th.
+ Lelito's Hardware was at the northeast corner of Kennedy and 170th.
+ Shipman's was at the northwest corner of 169th and Arizona.
+ Gregory's Grocery Store was at the northwest corner of Kennedy and 173rd.
+ Blue Bird Tap was on the east side of Kennedy, north of the corner gas station at 169th but south of the railroad tracks.
+ Pioneer Tap was on the west side of Kennedy, north of 169th and the railroad tracks.
+ Tavern/liquor store was on the southeast corner of Kennedy and 169th. Additional store were attached to the east including a pizza carry-out.
+ Chuck and Irene's Tap was on the west side of Kennedy, one lot south of 161st.
+ Fire Station was on the south side of 169th, one lot west of Marshall.
+ Feed Store was on the west side of Kennedy, between Van Senus and Sharon Mae's shown on the map.
+ Gas station was on the southwest corner of Kennedy and 171st.
+ Gas station was on the southwest corner of Kennedy and 173st.
+ Gas station was on the southeast corner of Kennedy and 173st.
+ Huber Funeral Home was on the northeast corner of Kennedy and 171st.
+ Bocken Funeral Home was on the west side of Kennedy one large lot north of 171st.
+ Shoe Repair Shop was on the southeast corner of Kennedy and Downey.
+ Telephone company switching office was on the southwest corner of Kennedy and 172nd.
+ Church was on the southeast corner of Kennedy and Orchard Drive.
+ Church was on the northeast corner of Martha and Alabama.
Was the original location of the "Little Red School House" on 169th Street about two lots west of Kennedy Avenue before it was moved to Hessville Park?
What are your recollections of other locations of Hessville businesses?
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11-01-2011
( Reply#: 7307 ) |
wvcogs |
I'll scan the Kennedy Avenue pages from a mid-1950s Hammond City Directory and post them here large enough so they can be read. Give me a day or so to do it. That may help answer many of the questions. We have assembled much more information since those maps were posted five years ago, including city directories pages from various years and links to photo archives.
-- Yes to Jack's location
-- I'm not sure when the business opened as Freddy's, but Toomey's Tavern was in the same building as far back as 1948. Freddy's parking lot on the corner was the used car lot.
-- I think you're right about Luchene's.
-- The hardware store north of 167th is Howell.
Ken... |
11-01-2011
( Reply#: 7308 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
-- The hardware store north of 167th is Howell.
Thank you for remembering Howell. That one always escapes me. |
11-01-2011
( Reply#: 7312 ) |
BobK |
I thought the used car lot was on the corner and Freddy's was next, north.
Bob
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11-01-2011
( Reply#: 7313 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by BobK
I thought the used car lot was on the corner and Freddy's was next, north.
Rethinking it, you are correct about the car lot being on the corner and Freddy's being one lot north. Eventually Freddy's first added on to the north, when their main entrance was still on Kennedy. Then they bought the used car lot, and added on to the south with a new entry and washrooms. I confused time frames. |
11-01-2011
( Reply#: 7314 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
---The "GAS" on the NE corner of Kennedy and 169th was the famous
SINCLAIR (Dino) station, which became Fabulous Hot Dogs in the late
60's.
--The liquor joint on the SE corner of Kennedy and 169th was "DRIFT INN"
(sometimes listed as "Drive In"), and the attached pizza place
was KEY PIZZA (this info can be found on the Sheptalk p. 3 thread
"Those Fabulous Hot Dog Tacos")
--Was the SALVATION ARMY (north of Dairy Queen/south of Jack's) there
in the late 50's?; I thought it was a much more recent addition
--What's DARNELL'S (Cleveland and Kennedy)? Any relation to barber
Floyd Darnell from Woodmar/Paris's barber shop, etc?
---Let's not forget the legendary GRANDMA'S DELICATESSEN at 7018
Kennedy (a few doors south of 170th, west side of street,directly east of Morton)
--OR HESSVILLE HOBBIES, next door at 7020 Kennedy
--Hey--where's the Rapchak family house?
--too bad our pal Frank Mosca ("nitti") doesn't check in any more; he had
a fabulous memory for the stores and businesses on Kennedy north
of 169th.
--I'm sure KEN O'Neal will clear up a lot of this stuff by using
his trusty ol' city directories.
LR |
11-01-2011
( Reply#: 7316 ) |
wvcogs |
Here are links to the three Kennedy Avenue pages from the 1961 Hammond City Directory on Photo Bucket. Click on the link to go to the image. Each is about 400 KB. Click on the image to enlarge it to full size. Also, you can right click on the images and download them if you wish.
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory%20-%201961/1961-1.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue page 1[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory%20-%201961/1961-2.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue page 2[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory%20-%201961/1961-3.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue page 3[/url]
Ken |
11-01-2011
( Reply#: 7318 ) |
wvcogs |
I can post links to earlier directories for Kennedy Avenue if you would like to see them. I have 1954 and 1956 already scanned, but not posted to Photo Bucket. I don't have complete directories for these years, just Kennedy Avenue. Richard Lytle at the library provided the copies. Directories for 1929, 1939, 1948, and 1952 haven't been scanned. Addresses on the 1929 directory are completely different going from 1070 at 161st Street to 1645 at Black Oak Road. Most of the cross streets had not yet been renamed.
There are two obvious errors on the directories that were posted above. Jack's should be listed on the north side of Vine Street and the American Legion should be on the north side of Downey.
Ken |
11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7323 ) |
Bill Bucko |
THANKS to all youse guys for remembering my poor old map!
Omigod, so many comments!!!
Yes, see the Hammond City Directories that Ken and others have graciously shared. They are the ultimate resource for addresses. I have a few pages I got from them, mostly just for Kennedy Avenue, for 1948, 1952, 1954, 1956, 1961, and 1971.
In fact, it was those City Directories that led me to make my biggest mistake: going against my own memories, I put Jack's Carry-Out on the southwest corner, instead of northwest, because going by the address, 6602 Kennedy, it had to be on the next block! Sorry, folks.
Sorry also: my memory of exactly how far down the block Luchene’s was was a bit hazy, too. Farther south you go, the hazier my memory is.
Geez, youse guys remember exactly where every last tavern was! I’m really impressed!
SE corner of Cleveland and Kennedy (6405 Kennedy)
1948, 1952: Frank Vargo, groceries
1954, 1956: Darnell’s Food Shop
1961: Porter’s Tap
Salvation Army store was not there in the 50s, north of Dr. Hester’s office; but it definitely WAS there in 1966—I remember, because that’s where I bought my first copy of Atlas Shrugged.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7325 ) |
tom w |
I also am curious. In the above comments, the name of Toomey appears. Does anyone know if that is the same family that had Toomeys resort in Cedar Lake? We spent many hours watching the sun set and the moon shining on the water . Of course we watched it by gazing at the mirror on the back-bar at Toomeys.
One quick note of historical interest. My Aunt had several rental cabins on the opposite side of the lake. She told me and my late brother that she rented cabins to none other than Al Capone a few times. I wish that I had that receipt book (probably didn't sign his name anyway.) Tom W
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11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7330 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
I can post links to earlier directories for Kennedy Avenue if you would like to see them. I have 1954 and 1956 already scanned, but not posted to Photo Bucket.
A few additional years of directories would be great, when time allows.
I had not seen the ones from 1961 before, so it was a treat to read through them.
Thank you very much!!! |
11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7331 ) |
wvcogs |
More Kennedy Avenue Directory pages. These are for 1954 and 1956. The earlier ones will be posted when I get the chance to scan them.
Ken...
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1954-1.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1954 - page 1[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1954-2.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1954 - page 2[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1956-1.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1956 - page 1[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1956-2.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1956 - page 2[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1956-3.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1956 - page 3[/url] |
11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7333 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Hey, BILL---
Re: your original map and CANDE'S pizza--- I know we went through this on another thread, but I remember that when my family first started doing the weekly (Sunday) pizza thing, my dad would drive North on Kennedy to a pizza place (just south of his pal Earl at the Sunoco station) and pick up the pie; this was in late '63-through '64. But I'm sure it was called "JOHN'S" Pizza, or something simple like that..and their pizza was the absolute best I can remember (House o' Pizza in Woodmar being a very close second).
I remember Cande's on 165th just east of Kennedy during the late 60's. Would have to see a city directory from c. '64 to check this out and see how wrong I am about the North Kennedy business.
Larry |
11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7335 ) |
wvcogs |
Larry, Check 6310 Kennedy Avenue in the 1956 directory above. You'll see the original location of Cande's Pizza. I walked past it frequently to my girlfriend's house on Kenwood Street frequently (my future wife of 47 years). I lived next door to the location on 165th Street when the building was constructed and Cande's moved into it in 1958.
Ken |
11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7336 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
KEN--
Yep, there it is.
BUT---by 1961, 6310 Kennedy was Sawyer's Bar-B-Q, according to your directory.
So the big question for me would be: What was 6310 Kennedy in 1964? Maybe it was
another address very close by; but there was a JOHN's pizza --or something very similar.
Greatest pizza I ever et'.
Larry |
11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7337 ) |
wvcogs |
More directories of Kennedy Avenue.
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1929-1.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1929 - page 1[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1929-2.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1929 - page 2[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1939-1.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1939 - page 1[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1939-2.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1939 - page 2[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1948-1.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1948[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1952-1.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1952 - page 1[/url]
[url="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/1952-2.jpg"]Kennedy Avenue 1952 - page 2[/url]
That's all I have.
Ken
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11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7338 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
Greatest pizza I ever et'.
Larry,
If John's was the greatest you ever et' then you never et' any Cande's!!!
Ken |
11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7340 ) |
tommy51 |
quote:
Originally posted by TestPattern
[quote]Originally posted by Bill Bucko
I have a few questions about the map first posted.
* Is Luchene's in the correct location? I remember it almost directly north of the lumberyard. There was a small two story, probably 25 foot wide building, south of Luchene's and north of the lumberyard office that had some other businesses in it.
What are your recollections of other locations of Hessville businesses?
I think between the lumberyard office, Luchene's and the 5&10 was Kaplan's Shoes, but I may be wrong about that location. I distinctly remember it because my dad would take me there, and I hated the place.
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11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7341 ) |
tommy51 |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Then you should remember that high arched bridge on 151st Street over the canal*, as you approached Combustion Engineering from the east; the Metal & Thermit Company; and that industry on the north side of the street (from my map, I think it was Robinson Brothers) with their high fences stenciled with the grim warning: "KEEP OUT BAD DOGS".
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63
Oh yeah, my aunt lived on 143rd St. I believe, and we'd go over that bridge every time. A couple of blocks away, on Olcott, I lived for over a year before moving to Hessville off Orchard Drive, east of Hessville Park. |
11-02-2011
( Reply#: 7342 ) |
wvcogs |
Hello Tommy,
Mack Shoes was located just south of the 5 & 10 in the late 1950s and 1960s. Kaplan's was in the 7000 block of Indianapolis Blvd. I'm not sure if they ever had a store on Kennedy.
Ken |
11-03-2011
( Reply#: 7343 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Maybe Bill Bucko can help here.
If Cande's was at 6310 Kennedy only a couple of years (1955? to
'58, when it moved to 165th St), and the location was a Bar-B-Q
joint in 1961, then what was the pizza place up there in the mid '60's
just south of where Earl's Sunoco was located?
Maybe I'll check the Hammond Library for a 1964 directory.
Ken...yes, I used to eat at Cande's in the late 60's (on 165th) [V]
Just wondering.....did you ever try the pie at House of Pizza?
Larry |
11-03-2011
( Reply#: 7347 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Wow, look at Ken's Directory pages from 1929! That would be from when Shep was around 8 years old, and hankering after a Red Rider BB Gun. My neck of the woods (Kenwood Street) was apparently not built up yet. The Turner-Meyn building was there, but no grocery yet, just doctors. No Flick’s Tap yet. And 165th was Summer Blvd!
Our beloved Hansen Branch Library, on Martha Ave. just east of Kennedy, was evidently not yet a library, if the building was even standing; for there was a branch library farther south, at 1509 near Glombeck Hardware.
In the 1939 Directory, when Shep would have been 18, Flick’s Tavern finally shows up (owned by Mr Flickenger, dad of Shep’s pal Flick), as well as Mr Toomey’s Hiawatha Garden across the street (for youse guys who survive largely on liquid sustenance). 165th is finally named 165th. Further south, A&P and Ace Theatre are there. There’s no library next to Glombeck’s, so the Hansen Branch has probably opened. The Blue Bird Tavern is there (you’ll be happy to know).
By 1948, Kennedy Avemue north of Cleveland Street has definitely been built up. Idle Hour Cocktail Lounge is there (youse guys know who you are). And Dick’s Grocery has been opened.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
11-03-2011
( Reply#: 7348 ) |
wvcogs |
Someone on a Facebook group said Jack's closed recently.
Ken |
11-03-2011
( Reply#: 7349 ) |
seejay2 |
The owner of Jack's, JoAnn Matonovich, died in 2009. That was the last of anything I heard of Jack's until your post...Cj |
11-06-2011
( Reply#: 7371 ) |
Jim |
Use this link for a Google map of Hessville with numerous business and locations marked from Ken's directories - many with photos.
[url]http://g.co/maps/jm6cz[/url] |
11-06-2011
( Reply#: 7372 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
This is a cool site, and lists many businesses/addresses from the era we've
been discussing PLUS gathers together most of the good photos from the Purdue
Calumet archives AND a number of year-book photos ads (check the "Frost-top" pics).
LR |
11-07-2011
( Reply#: 7380 ) |
wvcogs |
Larry and others, Jim has placed captions on many of the Purdue archives photos giving the appropriate credit. In addition to the Purdue and yearbook photos, he was able to pull in some of the color photos taken by seejay in 2007. Thanks for all the good work Jim.
Ken... |
11-07-2011
( Reply#: 7381 ) |
seejay2 |
Thanx Ken.
Not only that, you have 'Monkey Hill' where I remember it, so you can remove the "?" from it.
Good work, Jim...Cj |
11-15-2011
( Reply#: 7417 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Our beloved Hansen Branch Library, on Martha Ave. just east of Kennedy, was evidently not yet a library, if the building was even standing; ...
The Hansen Branch was designed by the architect, L. Cosby Bernard. His son, LCB Jr., took over the firm from his father, and I had worked for the firm in the 70s.
From some research, I found that three branch libraries were designed by LCB Sr. in the early 1930s, all Tudor style with stone veneer. The Hansen Branch would have been on of the three.
LCB Sr. designed the Meyer's Mansion/Castle on Lincoln Highway plus many of the prominent Forest Avenue homes including the Minas mansion. While working for the firm, we came across many of the old drawing sets. I remember seeing the branch library drawings, and the Minas mansion drawings. Several of us had a copy of the Minas front elevation drawing made, which I still have. |
11-15-2011
( Reply#: 7418 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by seejay2
Thanx Ken.
Not only that, you have 'Monkey Hill' where I remember it, so you can remove the "?" from it.
Good work, Jim...Cj
Here's a second confirmation on the location of Monkey Hill! |
11-15-2011
( Reply#: 7420 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by TestPattern
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Bucko
Our beloved Hansen Branch Library, on Martha Ave. just east of Kennedy, was evidently not yet a library, if the building was even standing; ...
The Hansen Branch was designed by the architect, L. Cosby Bernard. His son, LCB Jr., took over the firm from his father, and I had worked for the firm in the 70s.
From some research, I found that three branch libraries were designed by LCB Sr. in the early 1930s, all Tudor style with stone veneer. The Hansen Branch would have been on of the three.
LCB Sr. designed the Meyer's Mansion/Castle on Lincoln Highway plus many of the prominent Forest Avenue homes including the Minas mansion. While working for the firm, we came across many of the old drawing sets. I remember seeing the branch library drawings, and the Minas mansion drawings. Several of us had a copy of the Minas front elevation drawing made, which I still have.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH! This definitely goes into my permanent files!
I'm a veteran of the Hansen Branch's Summer Vacation Reading Program (1956, 1957 etc.) After reading I think it was 12 books, you were awarded a little premium: a tiny felt cowboy hat, a penny enclosed in plastic, etc. And of Mrs. Harriet Pinkerton's after-school Book Discussion group for high schoolers around 1964. As I recall, we read the following books:
To Kill a Mockingbird
Cry, the Beloved Country
Generation of Vipers
1984
The Mouse that Roared
Fail-Safe
and Mrs. Pinkerton presciently told me she thought I would enjoy reading Ayn Rand! I remember other group members included Barbara Burton, John Thompson, Betty Barney, and I think Betty Freel.
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
11-15-2011
( Reply#: 7421 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
If Cande's was at 6310 Kennedy only a couple of years (1955? to
'58, when it moved to 165th St), and the location was a Bar-B-Q
joint in 1961, then what was the pizza place up there in the mid '60's
just south of where Earl's Sunoco was located?
Maybe I'll check the Hammond Library for a 1964 directory.
SO's ANYWAY.....
I found a 1964 Hammond Directory at the Whiting Library, and the
place at 6310 Kennedy that made the FABULOUS, BEST-EVER pizza was
called Riccardi's Pizza! Who else remembers it!?
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/HessvilleDir640001.jpg[/IMG]
(I thought it was called "John's"; well..I was close).
In early '64, my dad would order a large pie from Riccardi's every Sunday evening. The problem
was that SEVEN of us were supposed to eat off of this thing, and Mike and I would end up with
one or two pieces at most ("we got this for the other kids; you guys find something on your own
to eat").
Maybe that's why this pizza tasted so damned good...we waited all day for it, and then got
only a few morsels. But I remember thin crust, tangy sauce, and pungent sausage. Today,
only HOUSE-of-PIZZA (Yea!![:p]) comes close.
(The 1974 Directory lists "Papa B's Red Onion Pizzeria" [:(!] in this same space).
ALSO--check out 6219 Kennedy- Hammond Studios Art School- a short-lived school run by a couple of local art teachers...one of them was Bob Fischer, who ended up at Gavit. I attended a Saturday afternoon class here during '63- early '64; I remember walking down there on Saturday, November 23, 1963...the day after the JFK assassination...and sitting alone on a dark, cloudy afternoon with Mr. Fischer talking about it.
LR |
11-16-2011
( Reply#: 7424 ) |
seejay2 |
I remember Riccardi's, but Cande's still took all the laurels with me.
I see mention of Gardner's Standard. Here is a pic of George Slade when he worked there. This was pre-Nam for me so it must have been taken late '67 or early '68.
John Korba also worked there at this time
[IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/seejay2_photos/Gardner.jpg[/IMG]...Cj |
11-17-2011
( Reply#: 7433 ) |
Bill Bucko |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
SO's ANYWAY.....
I found a 1964 Hammond Directory at the Whiting Library,
...
LR
THANKS! May we please see more (if you have scans)?
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
11-18-2011
( Reply#: 7434 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
OKEY-DOKEY!
Here's what I have:
KENNEDY AVENUE - 1964
Continuation south of 6300
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/Hessville640003.jpg[/IMG]
KENNEDY - 6500-6900
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/Hessville640001.jpg[/IMG]
KENNEDY - south of 6900
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/Hessville640002.jpg[/IMG]
LR |
11-19-2011
( Reply#: 7440 ) |
Bill Bucko |
Spectacular! Thanks very much, Larry!
Bill
Warren G. Harding Class of '63 |
01-06-2012
( Reply#: 7853 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
HERE's SOMETHING of SPECIAL INTEREST TO HESSVILLE-CENTRIC FOLK.....
I found this cool pic in the Hammond Library; it was captioned by the person who donated it
as a shot of Kennedy and 165th. I'm not at all convinced, but I thought I'd wait for Ken, Bill, or
anyone else to weigh in.
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/Kennedy169th.jpg[/IMG]
I'd guess it's from 1955 or '56....and I think a city directory or two from the era would help identify the location.
Guys?
LR |
01-06-2012
( Reply#: 7854 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
HERE's SOMETHING of SPECIAL INTEREST TO HESSVILLE-CENTRIC FOLK.....
I found this cool pic in the Hammond Library; it was captioned by the person who donated it
as a shot of Kennedy and 165th. I'm not at all convinced, but I thought I'd wait for Ken, Bill, or
anyone else to weigh in.
I'd guess it's from 1955 or '56....and I think a city directory or two from the era would help identify the location.
Guys?
LR
How about 169th and Kennedy? That's looking south on Kennedy from 169th.
Ken |
01-06-2012
( Reply#: 7855 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
KEN--
I'm sure that's it.
There are a lot of excellent 8x10 photos in the Hammond Library that show street scenes in South Hammond and Hessville, and this is one of them.
Some of the pics have a piece of masking tape stuck onto the lower right corner of each, and someone then wrote a caption in ball-point pen on the tape. This one said "corner of Kennedy and 165th". I told Mr. Lytle I was sure it was 169th, but he responded "it says 165th!" So I left it at that.
I went out a few days ago to capture a current view of this same shot, but had a tough time locating it exactly.
I tried matching up the street lamps and telephone poles, but wasn't sure I was correct. Problem is that the buildings along the EAST (left-hand) side of Kennedy have changed so much they're hard to recognize.
When you have a chance, can you check your '54 and '56 city directories, and see if you can identify the businesses
in the pic? The sign behind the parked cars says "JIM" with the big word HESSVILLE below it. The word "BEER" on the extreme left may be part of the "Drive-In" (Drift Inn) building on the Southwest corner of the intersection. Across the street you can make out the words "FOOD MART" on a building.
I'd be interetsed to see what you find; I'd do it myself but I'm
too lazy to go to the library to check their directories.
Larry |
01-07-2012
( Reply#: 7856 ) |
seejay2 |
What a great pic!! Looking right above the hood of the car, you can see the neon sign in the window and it does say "Drift Inn".
Why does someone always stand right in the way or park a vehicle right in a key spot on a pic. If that damn truck was 3 inches to the right it would help, but I'm sure it says "Jim Starkey's"......
"Hessville Tap" was owned by Jim Starkey and George Wimmer when I knew the place. I don't know if Starkey had it first and then Wimmer came in afterward or what, but it is Hessville Tap in the photo.
Early on it was known as J&J Tap. Jim was a fireman in the 50's-60s and passed away only 4 or 5 years ago...Cj |
01-07-2012
( Reply#: 7857 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
Someone on a Facebook group said Jack's closed recently.
Ken
The old "Jack's" location is now occupied by Venice Pizza. I drove by it a few month's ago after dining at Freddy's. Freddy's has an active bar scene, with older folk a mature crowd - LIKE US! |
01-07-2012
( Reply#: 7858 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
When you have a chance, can you check your '54 and '56 city directories, and see if you can identify the businesses
in the pic? The sign behind the parked cars says "JIM" with the big word HESSVILLE below it. The word "BEER" on the extreme left may be part of the "Drive-In" (Drift Inn) building on the Southwest corner of the intersection. Across the street you can make out the words "FOOD MART" on a building.
Larry
Larry, et al -
From the directories, all posted courtesy of Ken, it shows
for 1948
6907 - Reginald R. Graham, liquors
6919 - Michael L. Rehtorik, tavern
6934 - Triple J Food Mart
for 1952
6907 - Mrs. Emma Fowler
6919 - Michael L. Rehtorik, tavern
6934 - Triple J Food Mart
for 1954
6907 - Mrs. Emma Fowler, liquors
6919 - Mrs. Tillie Rehtorik, tavern
6934 - Triple J Food Mart
for 1956
6907 - Mrs. Emma Fowler, liquors
6919 - Hessville Tavern, James Cantrell
6934 - Triple J Food Mart
for 1964
6907 - Calumet Drive-In Liquors Inc.
6919 - Jim & Irene's Tavern, James Cantrell
6934 - Alexander Realty
I think the photo shows an ampersand after the word Jim (partially blocked by the truck,) meaning Jim & Irene's Hessville Tavern, so the photo is probably circa 1956. And YES, looking south on Kennedy from 169th Street.
In 1956, Triple J had 6 apartments. On the west side of the street heading south from Triple J to 170th, there would have been
6940 - Sharon Mae Variety Store
6942 - Peter M. Stefano (probably where the post office was built)
Jimmy's Feed Store, not in the photo, would have been at 6930.
The Brumm's distributor Hamm's Beer truck in front of the Hessville Tap is great.
|
01-07-2012
( Reply#: 7860 ) |
wvcogs |
Here's another comment to tag on to TestPattern's information about the photo of Kennedy Avenue from 169th.
I believe the white truck in the distance on the west side is parked in front of the post office building. The post office is not listed in the 1956 directory; but both 6940 (Sharon Mae's) and 6946 (the post office) are listed as under construction in the 1954 directory with Peter Stefano's house (6942) between the two. In a 1964 Top Hat yearbook ad photo of Sharon Mae's, the old house at 6942 still appears between the store and post office.
The post office that was under construction at 6946 in 1954 is listed at 6944 in 1961.
Just some more trivia for a Saturday morning.
Ken |
01-07-2012
( Reply#: 7861 ) |
wvcogs |
Would you believe... There even was a tavern at 6919 Kennedy Avenue in 1939 -- Felton, Walter G., tavern.
One more item of some interest... Glombeck Hardware was already located at 1506 Kennedy Avenue in 1929. That's before the new street number system when 169th Street was 15th Avenue.
Ken |
01-08-2012
( Reply#: 7862 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Veddy interesting info, guys......
Here's the pic again, so we dont' have to keep switiching back to page 1:
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/Kennedy169th.jpg[/IMG]
CJ-- Yeah, DRIFT-INN is the name as my brother Mike and I definitely remember it (not "Drive-In") as it's always listed in the old directories).
So the "Drift-Inn" building on the left is 6907 Kennedy, owned by Emma Fowler, as listed in the directory listings. 6919 is the "Jim" building that's next;
the '56 directory lists it as "Hessville Tavern", while in '64 it's "Jim & Irene's". My guess is that the sign (obscured by the truck) actually says "Jim and Irene's".
DATE of pic: check the cars across the street; parked directly in front of the truck is a '56 (or '55) CHEVY, and next to it driving in the street is a
'56 (or '55) FORD. So it's safe to say the the 1956 City Directory would correspond to this pic.
SO The "Food Mart" sign above the parked truck behind the mailbox is obviously "TRIPLE J FOOD MART" at 6934 Kennedy. The Sharon Mae's building
would have to be the one directly ABOVE the parked '56 Chevy, but it's hard to make it out; the next building looks like the Post Office, but it
couldn't be if Stefano's house is the big one that's clearly visible.
KEN-- If you look on the block south of Stefano's house--right next to the THIRD TELEPHONE POLE in the pic---it almost looks like a sign with the
State Farm Insurance logo (the three red ovals on a white background). Do you have a super-duper magnifying device to check this out?
Maybe you'll spot another assassin hanging out of a window (oh no...not again...).
What's listed in the '56 Directory for that next block south?
Anyway, I may talk to Rich Lytle at the Hammond Library sometime and
let him know that his photo is incorrectly captioned as "Kennedy & 165th", now that we have some expert confirmation.
LR |
01-08-2012
( Reply#: 7863 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
ANYWAY.....
Here's as good a shot as I could get of the scene as it looks today,
taken somewhat further south on Kennedy, closer to the light post in
the middle (which may be in the same spot as in the original pic):
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/IMGP0061.jpg[/IMG]
Taken with my not-too-sophisticated digital camera on Friday, Jan 6 (in 52 degree temperature!) It's almost impossible to get a good
image, since facing south during the winter months is always going to put the sun in front of you (as opposed to overhead), so everything
is either light-struck or dark and murky.
But it's just as well, since the current look of the street is pretty
depressing, especially compared to the bright, upbeat look of the 1956 original.
LR |
01-08-2012
( Reply#: 7864 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
Veddy interesting info, guys......
Here's the pic again, so we dont' have to keep switiching back to page 1:
CJ-- Yeah, DRIFT-INN is the name as my brother Mike and I definitely remember it (not "Drive-In") as it's always listed in the old directories).
The reason for the "Drive-In" is because the business attached to the "Drift-Inn" building indeed was "Drive-In Liquors" where they sold packaged booze...Cj |
01-08-2012
( Reply#: 7865 ) |
wvcogs |
LR - Your were correct when you said, "the next building looks like the Post Office."
Look right above the "Food Mart" sign and you will see the gable end of a one story house. That is the Stefano house. Sharon Mae's is hidden behind the black delivery truck. The light colored truck is in front of the post office, which can be identified by the row of white blocks above the windows. The larger two story house (7004), is on the SW corner of Kennedy and 170th Street, across 170th from the post office.
The 1956 directory lists the following in the 7000 block of Kennedy on the west side:
7004: Jos. Fuzy & Donald Bowen
7008: Abbott Supply & Henry Goudge
7010: VanGorp & Son, plumbing
7014: Terry Fisher (The directory does not say State Farm, but I am sure Terry Fisher was the agent. The 1961 directory lists 7014 as Hessville State Farm Ins.)
7018: Lydia E. Whitaker, Grocer (Is this grandma's?)
7020: Cowan Builders
7026: Town & Country Home Improvement
7028: vacant
7030: Arthur Hess, real estate
7034: Lawrence Roach, florist
7040: Daniel Ramker, physician & Charles Niblick, dentist
7042: George Bocken, funeral director |
01-08-2012
( Reply#: 7866 ) |
wvcogs |
One more thought:
It's extremely difficult to see in the picture that is posted on Sheptalk, but the Sharon Mae's sign is just barely visible to the left of the first telephone pole. The sign was on a pole on the south corner of the building and the same height as the building. The three lines of writing on the sign can be seen, but not actually read: Sharon Mae's/Variety Store/Gifts. There we have Triple J, Sharon Mae's, Stefano's, and the post office.
I think we gathered enough information to convince even Mr. Lytle that this was taken from 169th Street, not 165th Street. |
01-08-2012
( Reply#: 7867 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
KEN--
NOW it all makes sense.
Here's the Sharon Mae's pic which you had posted elsewhere--with its
prominent sign. When you know what you're looking for, it's possible
to make out this sign right above the upper left corner of the parked
truck.
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/SharonMaes.jpg[/IMG]
Also, as you clarified, the apex of the Stefano house is the SMALL one that's barely visible right above the "Food Mart" sign, and
whose front porch with icicles can be seen in THIS pic.
CAN YOU ALSO GIVE US a run-down of the west-side addresses starting at 169th down to 7004? That would help put all of this in order.
RE: the Stefano house -- in the summer of 1964, on one of our usual summer walks along Kennedy Ave, my brother Mike, my pal Charlie Harvey,
and I stopped at Sharon Mae's, and then decided to CLIMB UP and INTO the abandoned, derelict Stefano house via its north-side window.
I clearly remember that Charlie was carrying a new comic book he had just bought at Hill's--the newest issue of the "Adventures of Jerry Lewis" -
I think it was something about "Jerry meets the Monsters" or something like that. We boosted each other up through the window, walked around
a bit in the very dangerous, crumbling old place, and then left.
Just filling time on a boring summer day.
Larry |
01-08-2012
( Reply#: 7868 ) |
wvcogs |
Here goes...
West side of the 6900 block of Kennedy Avenue from the 1956 directory:
6910: Glombeck Hardware
6912: under construction (B & B Beauty Salon in 1961 directory)
6920-22: Van Senus & Lauer Auto Parts
6920 1/2: Norbert Bobay
6930: Jimmie's Feed Store
......Mrs. Mabel Ross
6932: vacant
6934: Triple J Food Mart
-- Apartments
...1. Donald Johnson
...2. Mrs. Minnie Dedelow
...3. John Wolf
...4. Steve Benko
...5. Mrs. Coral Lillie
...6. Louis Wells
6940: Sharon Mae Variety Store
6942: Peter M. Stefano
The Post Office building was already there at either 6944 or 6946, but was not included in the 1956 directory. It was listed at the previous location, 6626 Kennedy Avenue, where Ken's Barber Shop was located after the Post Office moved to 170th and Kennedy. (Don't confuse the 6626 Kennedy location with the current location at 165th and Kennedy.)
Here's an interesting note from the 1961 directory. Peter Stefano shows up at 6556 Kennedy Avenue. That would put him just north of Jack's Carry Out. As far as I can remember, all the houses had been either moved from that area or demolished by then. |
01-08-2012
( Reply#: 7869 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Oh, for the days when you could find someone actually named CORAL LILLIE....
LR |
01-08-2012
( Reply#: 7870 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
Oh, for the days when you could find someone actually named CORAL LILLIE....
I thought it looked strange, and probably reversed, but that's the way Mr. Polk had it in his directory.
Ken |
01-09-2012
( Reply#: 7871 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Ken--
I assumed that the printed version was correct, since if Lillie were her first name, it would be spelled "Lily".
Larry |
01-09-2012
( Reply#: 7874 ) |
seejay2 |
There are scores people with the last name of 'Lillie' scattered about the states. Some of them are Carol Lillie, but I see no Coral...Cj
|
01-09-2012
( Reply#: 7875 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs
LR The 1956 directory lists the following in the 7000 block of Kennedy on the west side:
7014: Terry Fisher (The directory does not say State Farm, but I am sure Terry Fisher was the agent. The 1961 directory lists 7014 as Hessville State Farm Ins.)
The 1956 Directory does show
7011 - Hessville State Farm Insurance (so, EAST SIDE OF STREET) and
7014 - Terry Fisher (WEST SIDE)
In 1954, 7011 was a residence for Steven M. Sitnik.
So, State Farm was on the East side of the street for 1956, when Fisher lived on the West side of the street. Then after 1956, Fisher possibly consolidated the insurance office to the front of his residence location on the West side. This would make the circa date of the photo after 1956, perhaps 1957 or 1958. Some "city directories" were published early in the year from data collected the year before. If the 1956 directory was published early (January or so) in the year, it would be with 1955 data. So, we are pretty close on the year of the photo.
Some identified cars as 1955 and 1956 vintage. So a later date of the photo is quite possible, since typically folks had cars for several years - they retained them longer since they seemed to last longer back in that day.
Also, as I recall from the early 70s after I turned legal, Drive-In Liquors had their door facing west to Kennedy, and Drift-Inn Tap had their door facing north to 169th (on the north-west corner) but both in the same building. I seem to remember a hardly-ever-used door between the two, at the very south-west corner of Drift-Inn, between the bar and the window of the west wall. Does this ring a bell?
Maybe Drift-Inn had a 169th Street address. That would explain why it never shows in the directories with a Kennedy Avenue address. |
01-09-2012
( Reply#: 7880 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
TEST--
Maybe that's it; check your directories to see if Drift-In is listed on 169th.
---------------------------------------------------
It's amazing to consider all of the events and memories that come flooding back through our current discussions: specifically, I recall the night of Sunday, November 8, 1964, when my brother Mike and I sat in a police squad car in the parking lot of DRIVE-IN/DRIFT INN (whatever) waiting to be hauled downtown for the BB-Gun shooting of a storefront window on Arizona Ave owned by a certain ALEX Sitnick (probably related to the Steven N. Sitnick that you list above). Thankfully, our favorite relative--our Uncle BOB RAPCHAK (see recent posts on "Magoun Ave Memories"), who was then a Hammond cop, came down to the lock-up to intervene, and we were spared an official booking (of course, we got our butts kicked in every other way).
Funny the way your past seems to catch up with you here on Sheptalk..
preferably after the statute of limitations has expired.
LR
PS -- Brings to mind the story of the missing giant Coke Bottle from
the rooftop display of DRIVE-IN/DRIFT-INN that was reported on the
"Those Fabulous Hot Dog Tacos" thread a few years ago here on Sheptalk. |
01-09-2012
( Reply#: 7881 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
Maybe that's it; check your directories to see if Drift-In is listed on 169th.
I have a complete directory for 1970 but nothing earlier. In that one, the only thing listed between Kennedy and Alabama on the south side of 169th is Conkey Cleaners. Drive-In Liquors is still listed at 6907 Kennedy.
Ken |
01-11-2012
( Reply#: 7895 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
HA!
There it is! Man...talk about statute of limitations!
Five psychedelically-enhanced dudes surrounding one pretty hefty
piece of evidence; "Your Honor...may I present Exhibit A?"
Might we know the chap on the lower right? And how about the
strategically-place finger atop of the lid?
(Pssst....don't let Little Stevie see this---he's strictly a PEPSI guy).
Another piece of Hammond history - right here on Sheptalk.
LR |
01-11-2012
( Reply#: 7899 ) |
Little Stevie |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
HA!
There it is! Man...talk about statute of limitations!
Five psychedelically-enhanced dudes surrounding one pretty hefty
piece of evidence; "Your Honor...may I present Exhibit A?"
Might we know the chap on the lower right? And how about the
strategically-place finger atop of the lid?
(Pssst....don't let Little Stevie see this---he's strictly a PEPSI guy).
Another piece of Hammond history - right here on Sheptalk.
LR
AHH...HAA!!!
Don't let Little Stevie see this, Huh?
Too late! I seen it!
I read the whole thread on this here page. . .
So. . .
Maybe this'll help. . .
[IMG]http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i398/littlestevie/IMGP00611.jpg[/IMG]
No "thank you" necessary!
LS |
01-11-2012
( Reply#: 7901 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
The brightened version of the Kennedy/169th photo that Steve posted above clearly shows that I was standing about a block SOUTH from where
the old ('56) pic was taken. The yellow-awning building on the right edge is 6944 Kennedy...the old post office.
LR
Steve; OK, you asked fer' it: no thanks for doing this.
HEY, S.C.---WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COKE BOTTLE PIC YOU POSTED LAST NIGHT??!? |
01-11-2012
( Reply#: 7903 ) |
Little Stevie |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
The brightened version of the Kennedy/169th photo that Steve posted above clearly shows that I was standing about a block SOUTH from where
the old ('56) pic was taken. The yellow-awning building on the right edge is 6944 Kennedy...the old post office.
LR
Steve; OK, you asked fer' it: no thanks for doing this.
HEY, S.C.---WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COKE BOTTLE PIC YOU POSTED LAST NIGHT??!?
Yeah! I wanted to see that!
LS |
01-11-2012
( Reply#: 7904 ) |
Little Stevie |
Looking at the 50's photo, a few things come into view:
#1. The building hidden by the truck, with the word "Jim" on the side, must be as stated Jim & Irene's.
Looking through the front & back windshield of the truck, you can make out the beginning of "Hessville" which I assume would have read
"Jim & Irene's Hessville Tavern"
#2. ALSO, looking to the right, again through the truck's windows, is the unmistakable logo for the company that paid for the sign.
YEP! the late 50's Pepsi-Cola bottle cap logo!
#3. The truck parked in the street, in front of Jim & Irene's is
non other than a Hamm's Beer delivery truck!
Check out the lettering above the windshield of it. You'll be able to read the words.
Hamm's beer must have been distributed by "Brumm", since that is what the lettering says on the front of the truck's hood
Just a little more investigative research by Little Stevie!
LS |
01-11-2012
( Reply#: 7905 ) |
S C Jones |
Regarding the coke bottle reference--didn't someone on Sheptalk confess to that caper a couple of years ago?
Ken I know it wasn't you, but do you remember if it was our friend who was living in Da Region at the time of the confession, then moved to another state?
As for me and my teen years, I was a dedicated Pepsi drinker.
99 bottles of Pepsi on the wall, . . . .
SC |
01-11-2012
( Reply#: 7906 ) |
wvcogs |
6 bottles of Coke on the roof, 6 bottles of Coke ... Take one down and pass it around, 5 bottles of Coke....
Yes, I do remember hearing something about that one large bottle of Coke. And it was a little larger than the 2 liters we can buy at the store these days.
Ken |
01-11-2012
( Reply#: 7907 ) |
S C Jones |
So, Ken, you can vouch for my innocence--I think maybe the initial-signing
may have confused the Magoun contingency. Either that, or there was just a feeling of the need to change
the subject lest there be time for taking action on the BB/window incident.
S C
|
01-12-2012
( Reply#: 7908 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Posted - 01/11/2012 : 01:29:02
HA!
There it is! Man...talk about statute of limitations!
Five psychedelically-enhanced dudes surrounding one pretty hefty
piece of evidence; "Your Honor...may I present Exhibit A?"
Might we know the chap on the lower right? And how about the
strategically-place finger atop of the lid?
(Pssst....don't let Little Stevie see this---he's strictly a PEPSI guy).
Another piece of Hammond history - right here on Sheptalk.
LR
OK---
WAS I HALLUCINTAING OR WHAT--- LAST NIGHT (Tuesday) WHEN I POSTED THE MESSAGE ABOVE?
My BB incident is now an open book here on Sheptalk; it's my story, and I'm stickin' with it!
Let's have that Coke Bottle photo back for posterity.
LR |
01-12-2012
( Reply#: 7909 ) |
wvcogs |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
So, Ken, you can vouch for my innocence--I think maybe the initial-signing may have confused the Magoun contingency. S C
Speaking of SIGNing, I remember seeing this entry on another thread about a street sign that disappeared from the Hessville map many years ago.
"While my adding to this forum, may cause all to abandon it, I was reminded by your memories of confiscations and acquisitions that one Hessville green street sign reading 'Martha St.' is now residing in a home in Tennessee." |
01-12-2012
( Reply#: 7910 ) |
S C Jones |
Uh-Oh, [:I] now you're "meddlin". But I am still innocent--just have some knowledge
that might be incriminating if the statute of limitations applies and one can be
in hot water for withholding information no one has ever asked for.....
Why, you dirty rat....[}:)]
|
01-18-2012
( Reply#: 7955 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Once again, HERE'S THE ORIGINAL FABULOUS HOT DOG!! BUILDINGwhich I also posted on the "Fab Hot Dog" thread:
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/FabHotDog1.jpg[/IMG]
AND NOW----HERE'S ANOTHER SHOT of the place, taken at the same time!
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/FabHotDog2.jpg[/IMG]
AND HERES THE SAME VIEW, as she looks today (Jan, 2012):
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/IMGP0048.jpg[/IMG]
There's a '60 CHEVY CONVERTIBLE visible in the middle pic above, so
we can safely say that the "THEN and NOW" shots are separated by almost FIFTY YEARS.
LR |
01-18-2012
( Reply#: 7956 ) |
BobK |
The second photo that has the Roddin Angles Auto Club on the left, was there discussion on another photo, trying to figure out what the sign said, about a year ago here? Or was the discussion on FB Planet Hammond?
I found the discussion on FB Planet Hammond and Larry, I stole your photo to post there. I hope you don't mind.
I also found this great article about you. http://www.northbrooksymphony.org/NSO2010-2011/17%20Rapchak/Rapchak.htm
Bob
|
01-18-2012
( Reply#: 7957 ) |
S C Jones |
Bob K:
thank you for the article featuring LR==He exemplifies the "everyman" idea, what with his conducting an orchestra while wearing 3 Stooges suspenders and having
the ability to transcend the ordinary into the world of music to the point of composing his own to conduct and mix with that of "the masters".
SC
BUT, don't tell him I said that!!!! |
01-18-2012
( Reply#: 7958 ) |
wvcogs |
I posted links to the two pages of this Kennedy Avenue directory for 1929 a couple months back. Here I have condensed it to one page that will make it easier to read. When this directory was published, the east-west streets had different names which are shown below.
Sixth Place -- 162nd Place
Seventh Place -- 163rd Place
Eighth Place -- 164th Place
Summer Blvd. -- 165th Street
Adams Street -- 167th Street
Fifteenth Avenue -- 169th Street
Johnson Avenue -- 171st Street
The list ends on the south at Black Oak Road. Also, there is no street listed for 170th Street. Mr. Joseph Fuzy is listed as living at 1540 Kennedy Avenue, which must be the same as 7004 where he still lived 32 years later in 1961. But, what's so strange about that. I still live in the house where I lived in 1980, 32 years ago. Miss Lydia Hess, daughter of the founder of Hessville, lived at 1533 Kennedy.
[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/wvcogs72/Hammond%20City%20Directory/Kennedy-1929.jpg[/img]
Ken |
01-18-2012
( Reply#: 7959 ) |
S C Jones |
1433 Kennedy
Big Calumet Tribe #595 Red Men
So, in 1929 there was a native American group in Hessville. I tried to Google
that and got the notice of the Blackout for now. But, would be interesting
to me to see what might be on hand for info regarding the Big Calumet Tribe...
Also John Hess seems to have lived in the same building as the Hessville library
in 1929. |
01-18-2012
( Reply#: 7960 ) |
Little Stevie |
The question is,
why would you take pictures from that angle of your/a business?
A view from the back with junk vehicles in the foreground?
It would be interesting to know why these were taken from that spot!
RODDIN ANGELS AUTO CLUB
reminds me of these songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfrSVGiB5e0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj6cVscoeLI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH3X9AWzTXY&feature=related
And of course. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwgGuadsqyo&feature=related
LS |
01-19-2012
( Reply#: 7961 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
STEVE--
Jeez! You never miss an opportunity to make the Beach Boy's connection!
ALSO---notice right on top of the "Roddin' Angels" building the little "GAS" sign that's visible (and maybe a Coke or Pepsi logo/sign to the left of it);
that's probably SHIPMAN'S sign.
Re: This photo on Facebook---mixed feelings. Yeah, I'd rather we keep our research efforts here and let others come here to see 'em, but---none of these pics are copyrighted, and the fact that they're on the Internet means they're essentially free-for-the-taking. Just my sense of loyalty to the "underdog" Sheptalk site, I guess...and the fact that my brother Mike introduced me to y'all. But...no big deal; at least the pic will be useful in the Roddin' Angels discussion on Planet Hammond.
BOB - thanks for posting the Northbrook article on my "other" life; I try to keep a pretty low profile about it here in Whiting and just blend into the scenery.
But as long as youse' guys find it interesting, that's cool. It's challenging being a blue-collar guy at heart while trying to make it in a blue-blood profession.
There's only so much of it that I can take before I have to run down to the computer and relax by checkin' what's happening on Sheptalk.
LR |
01-19-2012
( Reply#: 7962 ) |
Tom J |
Well, Lar, no worries here. I didn't understand a thing that article was saying but I'm still proud of ya. [:D]
Tomster |
01-19-2012
( Reply#: 7963 ) |
Little Stevie |
quote:
Originally posted by Tom J
Well, Lar, no worries here. I didn't understand a thing that article was saying but I'm still proud of ya. [:D]
Tomster
DITTO TOM, DITTO!
We are all blessed to have such an individual as Lawrence in our common, everyday lives!
Just for you, Larry!
From all of us here @ sheptalk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxTMfh81K4&feature=related
LS |
01-19-2012
( Reply#: 7964 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Well, Lar, no worries here. I didn't understand a thing that article was saying....
TOM---
Neither did I
Larry
PS-- Steve...Thanks for the musical tribute; I have always enjoyed the
very unique sound of the BB's music. |
01-19-2012
( Reply#: 7965 ) |
Little Stevie |
You're very, very,
very welcome!
BTW, where's the photo of the coke bottle?!
Not "A" coke bottle, "Thee coke bottle" from the outdoor sign!
Am I comin' through to all you sheptalkers out there?
I'd love to see it!
What was Shipman's again? A gas station?
LS |
01-19-2012
( Reply#: 7966 ) |
Little Stevie |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
As for me and my teen years, I was a dedicated Pepsi drinker.
99 bottles of Pepsi on the wall, . . . .
SC
SC,
my family thanx you for downing oh so many of those 10 ounce bottles of what I like to call
"The Nectar of the Gods"
back in your youth! I hope you're still "dedicated"!
Here's a link to one of my favorite Pepsi jingles!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-bPdzXkTs
LS |
01-19-2012
( Reply#: 7967 ) |
BobK |
Things go better with Pepsi. I enjoy Pepsi when I'm not enjoying a beer.
Bob
|
01-19-2012
( Reply#: 7968 ) |
S C Jones |
LS (somehow I keep wanting to follow the LS with MFT [8D]
Well, I am sorry to have to admit this, but...
When I had to begin drinking diet rather than sugar-based, I tried to
like diet Pepsi, but it was just too sweet tasting. So, now, when I buy
a bottle of pop I buy Diet Coke--but the buying is few and far between.
I now prefer freshly brewed unsweet iced tea.
I did enjoy the pa pa pa of the Pepsi commercial, though! |
01-19-2012
( Reply#: 7969 ) |
Little Stevie |
Uhhhhhhhhhh. . . .Right through the heart!
Ya got me! Diet Coke?!
That was a 4 letter word we never used in our house!
C-O-K-E
Tea much better for you now!
LS |
02-10-2012
( Reply#: 8032 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
HEY, CHECK THIS OUT......
While searching through more library photos, I came across THIS fascinating shot---a continuation of
the previously-posted-pics here that show the FABULOUS HOT DOG building and the Roddin' Angel's
parking lot at the intersection of Alabama Ave and 169th.
SO, AS WE TURN OUR GAZE TO THE WEST, we see:
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/Alabama169th.jpg[/IMG]
On the far right edge is the SINCLAIR station(NE corner of Kennedy and 169th) that would ultimately become
the NEW Fabulous Hot Dogs; continuing left you see the STANDARD station on the NW corner; continuing left, there's
CONKEY CLEANERS that Ken found listed on 169th..
THEN---LO AND BEHOLD---WHAT'S THAT WE SEE UNDER THE CONKEY CLEANERS SIGN, TILTED
to the northwest?? (Little Stevie, you'd better avert your eyes.....)
There's also something else in this photo that's kind of bizarre...
LR |
02-10-2012
( Reply#: 8033 ) |
Little Stevie |
I see it! Are you sure it was "coke" and not a 6 pak of PEPSI?
Can't find the other bizarre thingy though!
LS |
02-10-2012
( Reply#: 8034 ) |
S C Jones |
Wow, it took a lot of enlargement, but I see the six pack of (don't look, Stevie)
coke---does it help if I lowercase the product name?
Larry,
Are you talking about the two people walking toward the house?--is that the
weird thang?
Oh, by the way, the Standard Station was Ferris's--my brother-in-law worked
for them for a time and we (I lived with my sister and her family for about 6 months) lived in the house that was between Ferris's station and the Pow Wow.
OH, I can see the roof of the Pow Wow---that IS weird. Or, is it the roof of the two-story building that was a storage place for PowWow and had an apartment on top?
SC
|
02-11-2012
( Reply#: 8035 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
SC--
YES--It's the two people walking toward the house; when I first looked at the pic and enlarged it, I couldn't figure out WHAT the heck I was looking at; first it looked like two tree trunks, then two lawn bags (not in use at the time), then two people in raincoats and headgear...etc. Now I seem to see what looks like a woman (on right) and a girl; the woman is wearing a coat and head scarf, the girl has blonde hair.....maybe?
Other opinions welcome. Also, note the woman standing in the door of the house.
A fascinating, "slice-o-life" pic of old-time Hessville.
Now, about that missing photo....
Larry |
02-11-2012
( Reply#: 8036 ) |
wvcogs |
In the picture it looks like Alabama Avenue went through to the south from 169th in the late 1950s; but I don't remember that. A friend of mine lived in the 6900 block of Alabama. To get to his house in 1958-1960, I would go from Kennedy to Alabama on 170th and north on Alabama. His house would have been next to the one on the left in the above photo, but much older, probably 1920 vintage.
It looks like my senior citizen memory is failing again. Do you have any ideas about Alabama being open through to 169th from the south earlier in the '50s than this photo.
Thanks.
Ken |
02-11-2012
( Reply#: 8037 ) |
S C Jones |
KEN,
I think the street that went through was NOT Alabama, but Arizona.
The map shows the little triangular lot where Subway now sits and that, in my
memory is where the Conoco Station was. When we walked the tracks from
our Grand Park neighborhood to go to Hessville (Ace Theater) we would get
off the tracks at the Arizona crossing, walk 169th to Kennedy to cross at the
light.
Your memory is (to my mind) correct regarding Alabama not going up to 169th from the South. My memory is that neither Arizona nor Alabama were through streets to 169th--but as you have suggested, memory fades.
We, of course, have the advantage of being a bit older than the whippersnappers from MaGoun Ave; there may have been changes by the time they were old enough to roam Hessville.
I wonder if the Hessville Cemetary/Potter's Field (now called Lake County Cemetary} may have been an obstacle in the earlier days--as well as the RR having some say regarding crossings--Oh, the every-block whistle of the freight trains as they rolled across Hessville, I will never forget.
SC
|
02-11-2012
( Reply#: 8038 ) |
Little Stevie |
Are you sure
that's not a 6 pak of Pepsi?
The graphics on the carton remind me of the Pepsi cartons of the early 60's. Kinda yellow with stripes on the side.
Like these:
[IMG]http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i398/littlestevie/140.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i398/littlestevie/1401.jpg[/IMG]
Weird thing?
A woman & girl walking down the street?
I was gonna suggest that it was . . .uhhh. . . a certain brother combination in drag.
Now that would have been weird!
LS |
02-11-2012
( Reply#: 8039 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
KEN,
I think the street that went through was NOT Alabama, but Arizona.
The street is not Arizona. I lived on Arizona...Cj
The map shows the little triangular lot where Subway now sits and that, in my
memory is where the Conoco Station was. When we walked the tracks from
our Grand Park neighborhood to go to Hessville (Ace Theater) we would get
off the tracks at the Arizona crossing, walk 169th to Kennedy to cross at the
light.
Your memory is (to my mind) correct regarding Alabama not going up to 169th from the South. My memory is that neither Arizona nor Alabama were through streets to 169th--but as you have suggested, memory fades.
We, of course, have the advantage of being a bit older than the whippersnappers from MaGoun Ave; there may have been changes by the time they were old enough to roam Hessville.
I wonder if the Hessville Cemetary/Potter's Field (now called Lake County Cemetary} may have been an obstacle in the earlier days--as well as the RR having some say regarding crossings--Oh, the every-block whistle of the freight trains as they rolled across Hessville, I will never forget.
SC
|
02-11-2012
( Reply#: 8040 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by Little Stevie
Are you sure
that's not a 6 pak of Pepsi?
It was not Pepsi. It was Coke...Trust me...Cj
The graphics on the carton remind me of the Pepsi cartons of the early 60's. Kinda yellow with stripes on the side.
Like these:
[IMG]http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i398/littlestevie/1401.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i398/littlestevie/140.jpg[/IMG]
Weird thing?
A woman & girl walking down the street?
I was gonna suggest that it was . . .uhhh. . . a certain brother combination in drag.
Now that would have been weird!
LS
|
02-11-2012
( Reply#: 8041 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
GUYS--
SC--Since the SUBWAY building was FABULOUS HOT DOG, I don't get how the Conoco station could have been located on that small lot. Am I missing something here?
STEVE--NO WAY--it was a giant 6-pack of Coke; you can clearly see the name standing on end on the side panel.
If SC would ever come clean again with that mystery pic, you'd see.
But, Steve...Pepsi logos, Rapchak brothers, Beach Boys...jeez, you see and hear em' everywhere!
-------------------------
WHEN I ARRIVED IN HESSVILLE in Spring of '62, BOTH Arizona and Albama went through to 169th.
When heading north on ALABAMA and trying to make a turn onto 169th in icy/snowy weather, you'd sit on that steep incline, burning up your clutch trying to get some traction, while waiting for the cross-traffic to clear. The muddy, chassis-filled backlot of Roddin' Angels club was directly on your right side.
ARIZONA was also a straight shot through to 169th, heading north across the tracks, with the cemetery on your right.
Prior to '62 I wouldn't know. The guy who might be able to shed some light here would be Mark "Test Pattern", who lived right there.
LR
|
02-11-2012
( Reply#: 8042 ) |
Little Stevie |
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba
But, Steve...Pepsi logos, Rapchak brothers, Beach Boys...jeez, you see and hear em' everywhere!
LR
Well Larry,
Just a sub-conscience reaction to the ingrained impressions of my toddler/pre-school memories, that I treasure to this day!
Still waitin' for that "Picture of Proof" that it was not
"PEPSI" but the "C" word on that building.
(Must be why I don't remember the "carton on the roof" though. Mom would have made us "Cover your eyes" as we passed it!)
LS |
02-11-2012
( Reply#: 8045 ) |
wvcogs |
Yep, it was Coca Cola. I'm an eyewitness to the proof.
Sorry LS.
Ken... |
02-12-2012
( Reply#: 8053 ) |
S C Jones |
CJ
you win!
SC |
02-12-2012
( Reply#: 8055 ) |
seejay2 |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
CJ
you win!
SC
God Bless!! God bless you all and thank you all!!
I especially want to thank my producer, my mother, Sister Mary Mildew, my mechanic.............................................................................................. |
02-13-2012
( Reply#: 8059 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by S C Jones
I think the street that went through was NOT Alabama, but Arizona.
My folks bought our home in the 6800 block of Alabama in 1949. Originally, BOTH Alabama AND Arizona went through 169th Street.
Hessville Lumber was on Kennedy. At some point the Lumber Yard purchased the lot east of Alabama and west of Shipman's, and the City vacated that part Alabama for the lumber yard's private use, and Alabama became a dead end. Alabama must have been closed by the mid 1950s, as we had to walk up to Martha and east to Arizona to go south to OLPH. The 1952 city directory still shows both streets as intersections.
I had mentioned this before in the "Hessville Lumber" topic talking about the lumber yard fire. There is a satellite photo/map under that topic, (that I won't paste again,) but still does show remnants of the old paving that would have been Alabama.
Heading north on Alabama, there was a steep incline up to 169th Street, as Larry "HBS" indicated. A real challenge for a newbie with a stick transmission to negotiate. But Alabama was the short cut to avoid north-bound Arizona so you didn't have to cross the tracks twice, once on Arizona and again on 169th, if you were headed west. Remember, Arizona was the first street that you could head north on since Parrish, due to the cemetery and the undeveloped land, and Alabama was the option to avoid Arizona or busy Kennedy.
The building in the earlier photo, identified for "Roddin' Angels," later housed Griffith Laboratories, I think. They used to sell chemicals, needed for those all important chemistry experiments of our youth. The ground along the west side of this building was so steep, if you walked up to the south corner of the building, you could easily get on to the roof, not that any kid would actually do that. I am not sure when this building was constructed, as the 1952 city directory appears to indicate the lot as vacant.
The photo also shows something interesting. East of Conkey Cleaners there are two parked cars. You can see a concrete block retaining wall that the cars parked up to. I have a distinct memory of concrete stairs going from the parking area down to the alley - you can also see the stairs in the photo. I had always wondered if the block retaining walls were remains from a building, or if the block wall was built just as a retaining wall. Does anyone have any recollection of another building there? |
02-13-2012
( Reply#: 8060 ) |
S C Jones |
TESTPATTERN WROTE:
Hessville Lumber was on Kennedy. At some point the Lumber Yard purchased the lot east of Alabama and west of Shipman's, and the City vacated that part Alabama for the lumber yard's private use, and Alabama became a dead end. Alabama must have been closed by the mid 1950s, as we had to walk up to Martha and east to Arizona to go south to OLPH. The 1952 city directory still shows both streets as intersections.
------------------------------------
Thank you Testpattern for some clarity regarding the Alabama/Arizona info.
SC |
02-14-2012
( Reply#: 8074 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
TEST P---
THANKS FOR ALL OF THE INFO; VERY HELPFUL. I KNEW YOU'D BE ABLE TO
NAIL IT.
CAN"T HELP YOU WITH THE RETAINING WALL/STAIRS/BUILDING QUESTION. THE
WHOLE AREA AROUND THE PARKED CARS SEEMS TO BE FRAMED BY SOME SORT OF
WALL/BRICK-WORK; MAYBE THE LOT DID CONTAIN A BUILDING AT ONE POINT.
Larry |
05-21-2012
( Reply#: 8502 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
I don't want to neglect the Hessville area, so here's a pair of "THEN and NOW" pics of
173rd Street looking WEST from a viewpoint just EAST of Parrish Ave.
This first oldie was in the Hammond Library's Historical Room files:
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/Caldwell173rd.jpg[/IMG]
There's the old Caldwell School on the right, and a pretty rough-lookin' wilderness everywhere else; probably 1955-56.
And here's the same view, from April, 2012.
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/StreetStuff026.jpg[/IMG]
Doug Paris' famous barber shop is just off-camera on the right (it had just opened when we moved to Hessville
50 years ago, in March of 1962. And who was the owner at the time? None other than our old pal Floyd Darnell,
our barber from Magoun Avenue whose shop was on the corner of 169th and Magoun. He decided to relocate to Hessville
into a bigger space, and hired Doug Paris to work for him.
LR
PS. Hey, Stevie...where's those PEPSI logos that you deleted from the posts above?? Sure looks bare without them... |
05-23-2012
( Reply#: 8504 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
HERE'S ANOTHER HESSVILLE "Then & Now" pair ~
From the Hammond Library's Historical Room, a shot of 171st street looking east towards Osborn Ave (and Kennedy);
the train tracks are in the distance. Notice that very distinctive house with the big stone bricks (a dark greyish
color) on the right side:
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/171stOsborn.jpg[/IMG]
And here it is today: (with a big tank car sitting across the tracks in the background)--
[IMG]http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/HassoBenSoba/StreetStuff033.jpg[/IMG]
THERE'S AN INTERESTING SIDELIGHT to all of these 1955-56 street shots that I've posted here
and on the "Magoun Avenue Memories" thread (McCauley's store, Tapper Ave & 173rd, etc): All of the pics
(and there's a bunch MORE of them on file at the library) were professional quality 8x10's that were
intended to be a SET; each of them had a piece of tan masking tape stuck on the lower right-hand corner
with sloppy writing in ball-point pen; the caption on the photo above read:
"They are not my children" (referring to the juvies who are walking in the street).
I seems that the person who shot all of these pics was on a MISSION of some sort to document the shoddy
condition of Hammond Streets; all of the pics show roads that either needed repair or had no curbs or sidewalks;
I guess it was part of a safety effort to get the city's attention. Apparently, the whole set of pics was donated
to the library with the captions still intact (but which I have cut out when I did these scans).
LR |
07-10-2012
( Reply#: 8606 ) |
LegulusQ |
Hey, guys, been away for [looking at watch] six months or so...what can I say, I've been swamped with work. But tonight I suddenly got the urge to check back in at sheptalk and see what's been happening. I've enjoyed catching up on the various threads...good stuff.
I wanted to post a particular memory of the corner of Alabama and 169th from my adolescence. Larry and Mark have mentioned the effect of entering 169th from the hill on Alabama, and its effect on your clutch. Well, from a kid's perspective, the hill's reputation was born from traversing it in the opposite direction. If one was tearing down 169th from Kennedy on a bicycle heading east, a quick turn onto Alabama was straight out of a thrill ride. That location was known as "Dead Man's Curve" for bike riders. The combination of the sharp turn, the steep decline, and the notoriously loose gravel coating the roadway could be a recipe for disaster for the inexperienced! Many strawberries, lost teeth, and fractured limbs were claimed by the DMC!
Hey, what's all this about a picture of some past legendary event that was mysteriously removed? Something involving a beverage...
More, please!
Craig
LegulusQ |
07-18-2012
( Reply#: 8615 ) |
HassoBenSoba |
Craig--
Great to hear from you once again; hope you are doing well.
Things have been pretty slow here, as you can see, but the stories and photos have been as good as ever.
I've got a few more things to post on the "OLPH SCHOOL" thread, which I'll do soon, including a classic
1970 potrait of Bill and Granny Grauvogl, OLPH's legendary husand-and-wife janitorial duo. The pic is from
the parish's directory, which features groups shots of the OLPH families of the day (including the Lannin,
Rapchak and Mosca clans).
Incidentally, the recipe for those classic, to-die-for PORK TACOS from Hessville's
FABULOUS HOT-DOGhas apparently survived and has been posted on the
Planet Hammond website a couple of times. Seems that a former worker at the place copied it down
and saved it.
That's very good news for all of us former Hessville-ites. [^]
Larry |
07-19-2012
( Reply#: 8618 ) |
TestPattern |
quote:
Originally posted by LegulusQ
Hey, guys, been away for [looking at watch] six months or so...
Craig
WELCOME HOME, Craig!
I've been absent for a few weeks due to computer problems. |
